Claim: Rubbish Dump Polar Bears are "Climate Refugees"

Polarbear-eat-Garbage

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

NYT brings us this heartrending story about polar bears on the verge of extinction fooling people into thinking they are fine, by looking overweight, and scavenging Alaskan rubbish dumps.

Polar Bears’ Path to Decline Runs Through Alaskan Village

The bears that come here are climate refugees, on land because the sea ice they rely on for hunting seals is receding.

By ERICA GOODE

KAKTOVIK, Alaska — Come fall, polar bears are everywhere around this Arctic village, dozing on sand spits, roughhousing in the shallows, padding down the beach with cubs in tow and attracting hundreds of tourists who travel long distances to see them.

At night, the bears steal into town, making it dangerous to walk outside without a firearm or bear spray. They leave only reluctantly, chased off by the polar bear patrol with firecracker shells and spotlights.

On the surface, these bears might not seem like members of a species facing possible extinction.

Scientists have counted up to 80 at a time in or near Kaktovik; many look healthy and plump, especially in the early fall, when their presence overlaps with the Inupiat village’s whaling season.

But the bears that come here are climate refugees, on land because the sea ice they rely on for hunting seals is receding.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/18/science/polar-bears-global-warming.html

Back in the real world, as WUWT reported in 2015 Polar Bears are doing just fine. Predictions of imminent starvation are based on models.

Regarding the large numbers of bears around Kaktovik, does anyone think it possible locals whose income depends on “hundreds of tourists” visiting to see the bears might be deliberately leaving some food out?

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December 18, 2016 7:07 pm

Whale entrails. This has been covered here and elsewhere before:
https://polarbearscience.com/2013/12/13/kaktovik-polar-bear-photos-again-no-starving-bears/

Greg
Reply to  Wayne Delbeke
December 18, 2016 11:02 pm

Yep, that was the first thing that occurred to me reading about Inuit whale hunting season.
It’s like saying that seagulls which scavenge on municipal waste dumps are only coming there as climate refugees and because we’ve eaten all the fish in the oceans where they would normally hunt.
Foxes scavenge is towns too, better mark them down as climate refugees too.

Greg
Reply to  Greg
December 18, 2016 11:05 pm

The reason there are more polar bears in town is also because there are more polar bears. 20,000-25,000 compared to a nadir of only 5000 when hunting was allowed.
Maybe a few more hunting permits are in order in these areas.

Greg
Reply to  Greg
December 18, 2016 11:07 pm

Mind you, the greens would probably rather see human babies taken by polar bears than accept the sight of some viscous hunter killing a poor, fluffy white polar bear.

Reply to  Greg
December 19, 2016 12:04 am

No doubt the polar bears would agree, a nice fresh & tasty morsel instead of raiding the bins for junk food.
I’m also a climate refugee !! now winter is closing in we will head south to the Canary Islands

Leo Smith
Reply to  Greg
December 19, 2016 1:58 am

“some viscous hunter”
Hey, who are you callin’ thick?!

Man Bearpigg
Reply to  Greg
December 19, 2016 2:48 am

And all the cod heading north to arctic and squid in North Sea, climate refugees, all of them I tell you

Oldseadog
Reply to  Greg
December 19, 2016 4:02 am

Manbearpig,
There have been squid in the North Sea for quite a while. At Hound Point tanker terminal in the Firth of Forth squid are regularly seen and have been since the thing opened in the 1970s, and occasionally octopus are caught at the entrance to Grangemout Docks.

Oldseadog
Reply to  Greg
December 19, 2016 4:04 am

Or Grangemouth, even.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Greg
December 19, 2016 4:12 am

and in Aus we have the white Ibis renamed as Tip Turkeys
rather fat and pooping all over council shedding at our tip;-)
the native wildlife birdwise spends a lot of the yr at the sewage ponds too
not so romantic for piccys:-)
but the easiest spot to snap Brolgas at
amuses me no end.

Reply to  Greg
December 19, 2016 5:48 am

I was thinking that if global warming is causing this polar vortex, couldn’t we all apply as climate refugees? During this time of year, I think the UN should take responsibility and relocate me to Hawaii or the Caribbean. Think of all the co2 that wouldn’t be released from trying to keep warm from global warming. … the cold, freezing huddled masses… the horror !

Evan Jones
Editor
Reply to  Greg
December 19, 2016 6:02 am

Foxes scavenge is towns too, better mark them down as climate refugees too.
And good ones, at that.

Goldrider
Reply to  Greg
December 19, 2016 3:05 pm

Ditto my raccoons and possums!

Latitude
Reply to  Wayne Delbeke
December 19, 2016 6:18 am

Just repackage this as the bears are recycling..
..and they will get an award

Reply to  Wayne Delbeke
December 19, 2016 7:17 am

What I noticed was the childish (and cowardly) manner in which the biologists got the author of this piece to deal with my exposure of their failed hypothesis from 2005 (the one that got polar bears listed as threatened/vulnerable).
Referring vaguely to “climate change den##ists” regarding the criticism that polar bear numbers had not fallen as expected – as if it was a group of people but linking directly to this post of mine: https://polarbearscience.com/2016/11/01/if-experts-had-been-right-about-sea-ice-there-would-be-no-polar-bears-in-churchill/
So, it was not just some random blogger but a legitimate and qualified peer of theirs who has exposed this failure. They won’t even provide me the courtesy of calling me by my name – sound familiar? I believe Steve McIntyre was treated similarly by the climate change establishment.
Online readers could (and did) click through to that post but print readers had no idea to whom the writer was referring.
The response of the prognosticators, summarized by the writer: “The decline of a species, they note, is never a steady march to extinction.”
Well, but that’s not what they said back in 2008 based on their 2005/2006 data.
They predicted a decline of 2/3 of the world’s polar bears (and total extirpation of 10 vulnerable subpopulations, including the Southern Beaufort one that’s the topic of the NYT article) when sea ice reached the lows that they predicted (not even every year, but if it happened 8/10 years).
We’ve had that level of sea ice since 2007 – polar bears (especially Southern Beaufort and Chukchi Sea bears) have lived through the 2050 “worst-case” scenario envisioned by these folks for 10 years.
See my main post on this topic here: https://polarbearscience.com/2016/09/13/recent-studies-show-sept-ice-of-3-5-mkm2-did-not-kill-polar-bears-off-as-predicted/
In my opinion, this article is primarily a vehicle for the biologists to refute my challenge. Why do I think that?
Because I have been trying to get a paper published in the scientific literature – which they have so far been able to block but which has gotten strong support by a few reviewers (just not enough of them).
However, I address this issue head-on in my forthcoming book, “Polar Bears: Outstanding Survivors of Climate Change” which will be out shortly.
Dr. Susan Crockford, zoologist.

Reply to  susanjcrockford
December 19, 2016 7:44 am

A great, great title for your book. I will check to see if the New York Times has it in their book review section. For some reason I doubt it. 🙂 If they do, how will they answer all the inconvenient questions from their brainwashed subscribers?
Your book has been added to my books to read in 2017 list.

Latitude
Reply to  susanjcrockford
December 19, 2016 7:51 am

I still say the simplest and fastest solution is…
…put ring seals on the endangered list

hunter
Reply to  susanjcrockford
December 19, 2016 8:20 am

Dr. Crockford, thanks and please keep up your good work. I look forward to buying and reading your book.

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  susanjcrockford
December 19, 2016 9:04 am

Susan,
I saw the title here and thought of you. Thus, I searched for your name and see you are up early and working.
So, I’m going out in cold and snow to feed horses and toss a couple of apples at the local deer — mamma and twins from last spring. Looks like a lot of snow falling in the Cascades of WA. B.C.?
But I did wonder about the photo — good light and all?
Anyone know what gets shipped in — in the small wood crates? I’d like a few of those.

Reply to  susanjcrockford
December 19, 2016 9:32 am

John FH,
I believe those are Russian bears at a Russian dump.
Susan

Reply to  susanjcrockford
December 19, 2016 11:26 am

“I believe those are Russian bears at a Russian dump.” LOL
Should have recognized the bears were dump hacking. Just can’t escape those dastardly Russians.

Goldrider
Reply to  susanjcrockford
December 19, 2016 3:07 pm

Stop shootin’ ’em, the numbers pop up pretty quickly. Allergic to hot lead, someone oughta research that!

Reply to  susanjcrockford
December 19, 2016 9:30 pm

Thanks Dr Crockford for your insights, looking forward to your book, @ John F, in Washington, yep those crates should be recycled even as firewood.

rocketscientist
Reply to  Wayne Delbeke
December 19, 2016 8:29 am

It is a basic survival instinct to live where the living is easiest. No creature in its right mind will desire to live in deprivation. If we make scavenging a more successful strategy than expending energy to hunt, then what do you think will happen? Like the homeless they will gravitate to where the pickings are the easiest.
“If you don’t want stray dogs in you yard, stop feeding them.”

Latitude
Reply to  rocketscientist
December 19, 2016 8:49 am

exactly….they discovered how a chum bag works

Russ Armstrong
Reply to  rocketscientist
December 19, 2016 1:16 pm

So, if we don’t want homeless people in our city . . .?

Reply to  rocketscientist
December 19, 2016 5:20 pm

I would imagine it is quite a risk for a bear to venture out onto the ice and sit over a hole/s waiting for seals. There must be times when weeks go between feedings. it would stand to reason that easy pickins is better than expending so much energy. I use to live in Banff, Alberta and way back in the seventies going out to the dump on a bright summer evening one could witness scores of bears feeding on restaraunt waste.

Terry Jay
Reply to  Wayne Delbeke
December 19, 2016 6:31 pm

It got printed again in the Alaska Dispatch, and the comments are priceless…
https://www.adn.com/arctic/2016/12/19/polar-bears-path-to-decline-runs-through-an-alaska-village/

gnome
December 18, 2016 7:18 pm

You may scoff, but I’m told there are no more penguins there to be eaten. How would you like to be restricted to a diet of fatty seal meat?

craig
Reply to  gnome
December 18, 2016 8:01 pm

“But I’m told……”
Indeed you have so please link your source.

jmichna
Reply to  craig
December 18, 2016 8:54 pm

craig, I’m pretty darn certain our friend gnome knows the Northern Hemisphere penguins are extremely rare… practically non-existent! 😉

Bryan A
Reply to  craig
December 18, 2016 9:02 pm

Probably one of climate change’s first true extinctions
Realistically though, just how long have the Polars been coming their to make it a tourist event?

Malcolm Carter
Reply to  craig
December 18, 2016 10:01 pm

Obviously a local extinction of penguins. When I was in in Churchill in 1969, people went out the dump to see the polar bears. Way easier than hunting seals.

M Courtney
Reply to  craig
December 19, 2016 12:48 am

Auk-ward.

Sunderlandsteve
Reply to  craig
December 19, 2016 5:56 am

I suspect he means the chocolate biscuits 😆

stevekeohane
Reply to  craig
December 19, 2016 8:45 am
Pete
Reply to  gnome
December 18, 2016 8:03 pm

Penguins? In the northern hemisphere?

James Fosser
Reply to  Pete
December 19, 2016 1:24 am

So I have been told! But then I usually get told a few times a day, every day!

Jeff Guinn
Reply to  Pete
December 19, 2016 1:44 am

Penguins are found as far north as the Galapagos.

2hotel9
Reply to  Jeff Guinn
December 19, 2016 5:13 am

We have penguins in Pittsburgh! No, I mean actual penguins, at the zoo.

tty
Reply to  Pete
December 19, 2016 7:20 am

“Penguins? In the northern hemisphere?”
Actually yes, but they are extinct. The original penguin was the flightless Great Auk Pinguinus impennis. Penguin is the celtic name for the Great Auk.
Incidentally they were probably rarely eaten by polar bear, since they normally bred south of the range of the Polar Bear.

Chimp
Reply to  Pete
December 19, 2016 11:48 am

tty
December 19, 2016 at 7:20 am
However, the great auk wasn’t closely related to penguins, which get their name from the auk but belong to different orders of birds.
The etymology of “penguin” is controversial. It may come from the Welsh for “white head”, but there’s no real evidence for that conjecture. The great auk had a black head, but white around its eyes.comment image

2hotel9
Reply to  gnome
December 18, 2016 8:06 pm

The Penguins! Someone has to think about the Penguins! Maud Flanders lives.(yes, I know penguins are Antarctic)

Leo Smith
Reply to  2hotel9
December 19, 2016 2:01 am

…penguins are Antarctic?
Not always…
http://vps.templar.co.uk/Cape%20Town/DSC_1023.JPG
Unless climate change has gone massively out of control…:-)

2hotel9
Reply to  Leo Smith
December 19, 2016 5:15 am

And as the climate “changes” they go to,,,,,,where? Happens every year, or so I am told.

Roy
Reply to  2hotel9
December 19, 2016 2:38 am

One type of penguin is found on the coast of South Africa.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  2hotel9
December 19, 2016 4:14 am

theyre on mainland Aus also
Victor harbour in sth Aus and parts of Victorias coast

Gary Pearse
Reply to  2hotel9
December 19, 2016 6:21 am

Seen one moulting in a cave above the south coast of New Zealand (Papatowai).

MarkW
Reply to  2hotel9
December 19, 2016 7:01 am

Any details on that red and black penguin in the lower right?

2hotel9
Reply to  MarkW
December 19, 2016 7:35 am

Appears to have molted badly!

tty
Reply to  2hotel9
December 19, 2016 7:26 am

The northernmost penguins are just north of the Equator in the Galapagos. And while it is quite possible to bathe together with the temperate penguin species as shown in the image, it would usually not be very enjoyable since they are found in cool water areas like the Benguela and Humboldt Currents.

rocketscientist
Reply to  2hotel9
December 19, 2016 8:37 am

Actually MOST penguins do NOT live in Antarctica (only 2 species make Antarctica home). Most live along the coast lines of the southern oceans well above the Antarctic circle in temperate conditions. True as stated above, some actually make it across the equator as the Galapagos penguins will attest.

DredNicolson
Reply to  2hotel9
December 19, 2016 11:28 am

Obviously a hideous beakless mutant they have cast out from their flock. They’ve even put up a fence for good measure.

Andrew
Reply to  gnome
December 19, 2016 6:28 am

Quite so – I believe that the Arctic is now completely penguin-free. (A fact that may we’ll appear prominently in al-Gore’s sci-fi sequel.)

Reply to  Andrew
December 19, 2016 8:04 am

@Leo Smith
Wow that is a nice penquin Leo…I did’nt know they were red and “I must say” a beautiful copper brown. I would say from a polar bear point of view, they look absolutely delicious. Are they always loners Leo? That red color around their lower part of their bodies must be for mating…whatja think Leo?

rocketscientist
Reply to  gnome
December 19, 2016 10:09 am

According to accounts from the survivors from Shackleton’s expedition, penguins don’t taste that good. I suppose that’s good news for the penguins. Shame the same wasn’t true of dodos or great auks…

December 18, 2016 7:20 pm

First off, contrary to what the liberal MSM portrays, the population of polar bears has skyrocketed, from 10,000 in 1970 to over 25,000 now. And now they’re rummaging through urban garbage in their overpopulated state. It’s about time that herd be thinned.

And another thing, polar bears, unlike Grizzlies, can’t be effectively trained, to be like actors in movies. It’s not that their brains are smaller per se, but it’s that they seem to be limbiclly wired as meat eating machines and they can’t get beyond seeing humans as food. As crisp taquitos really.

This video is a bothersome illustration of the bloodthirsty man-eaters:

Reply to  Eric Simpson
December 18, 2016 11:20 pm

Seems so cute, all white like like a baby seal. Hope that cage holds up. The guy inside needs a Smith and Wesson 500 to stick in that bear’s mouth just in case.

Brokenassbricklayer
Reply to  Dan DaSilva
December 19, 2016 12:38 am

No what he really needs is a brain

Ernest Bush
Reply to  Dan DaSilva
December 19, 2016 9:14 am

Are BBC cameramen really expected to have brains?

Reply to  Dan DaSilva
December 19, 2016 9:27 pm

Brokenassbricklayer , OK, your right but let’s get him a brain after he gets away will from that bear.
If he has a brain and bear eats him what good is that?

Reply to  Eric Simpson
December 19, 2016 12:06 am

I have the same problems opening a can of meat.

Leo Smith
Reply to  1saveenergy
December 19, 2016 2:04 am

Elsewhere, Gmail customer enraged as he attempts to open more Spam..

Jack Simmons
Reply to  Eric Simpson
December 19, 2016 3:15 am

http://www.prepperforums.net/forum/attachments/urban-rural-survival/2514d1378004800-polar-bear-hunting-polar-bears.jpg
I really appreciate this story about polar bear ‘refugees.’ WUWT has always been a source of real information now it has become a source of comic relief.
I just laughed and laughed for a good while after reading about this latest lunacy over at the NYT.
What a tragic story about the collapse of a once great newspaper.

Reply to  Jack Simmons
December 19, 2016 2:03 pm

one of my favorite cartoons by one of my favorite cartoonists

Goldrider
Reply to  Jack Simmons
December 19, 2016 3:10 pm

The NYT just rented out 8 floors of former staff space in its building. Says it all, eh?

tty
Reply to  Eric Simpson
December 19, 2016 7:35 am

Actually “blood-thirsty” is a rather unfair epithet. Polar Bears are quite peaceful and unaggressive compared to grizzlies (and I speak from personal experience here). However they do consider humans as convenient prey (being about the same size as seals), so they are quite dangerous when hungry.
And wouldn’t you get frustrated if some idiot had locked your dinner into a steel cage?

Reply to  Eric Simpson
December 19, 2016 8:12 am

So…what the end of the story. Did she eat him? The video cut out at the good part.

Reply to  Michael Burns
December 19, 2016 3:28 pm

Nope. I don’t think so. Despite the cage looking pretty rickety. If the polar bear could have thought to throw a stone. Though I guess the Arctic isn’t really the best place to find stones (perhaps it’s the best place to get stoned, but that’s different [say NO to Sharia law in the Arctic!]).

drednicolson
Reply to  Eric Simpson
December 19, 2016 12:31 pm

“GET IN MAH BELLAH!”
That’s the last thing most prey will see, because it’s awfully dark when you’re sitting in a polar bear’s belly.

joelobryan
December 18, 2016 7:22 pm

I live in Tucson, Arizona. Every November I notice a huge influx of Alberta, Wisconsin, and Minnesota climate refugees on the local streets and roads!! WUWT?

hunter
Reply to  joelobryan
December 18, 2016 8:44 pm

Are they feasting in your local dumps, lol Climate change kooks are full of endlessly entertaining antics.

Reply to  hunter
December 18, 2016 9:16 pm

Not in the dumps – but a lot of scavenging on the street corners… It’s a cycle every year. The homeless by choice crowd the desert camps around this city every year. (Like Joel, I live in Tucson – there’s a major chunk just a couple miles south of me here.)

Bryan A
Reply to  hunter
December 18, 2016 10:01 pm

So…Snowbirds and Snowvultures

rocketscientist
Reply to  hunter
December 19, 2016 8:42 am

In Palm Springs they are referred to as “snow-backs”.

Pop Piasa
Reply to  joelobryan
December 19, 2016 3:58 pm

Maybe we are climate gypsies by nature, Joel. You always meet lots of folks from the colder climes when vacationing in the Caribbean or Riviera Maya.

ossqss
December 18, 2016 7:28 pm

Anthropogenic and opportunistic. Just sayin…. I would too if was them! Hunt seals or get free leftovers?
C’mon Man!

karabar
December 18, 2016 7:44 pm

What a pity that so many gullible people will read this nonsense and think it to be true. If you are in any way shape or form familiar with bears, you realise that they will eat the easiest thing around, dead or alive. Any garbage dump in bear country has frequent furry visitors, be they black, brown, Gris, or Polar.

Reply to  karabar
December 18, 2016 9:54 pm

Tell us about that. We foolishly formerly had a lidded ‘garbage can’ of corn to feed deer at our north Georgia cabin in the Chatahoochee National forest. A black bear ripped through the porch, unlidded the can, and gobbled up the corn. And did more damage on the way out. Six inch long claw marks half inch deep into Wolmanized deckimg wood. And that is only one of our several black bear encounters the past few years at our georgia cabin. Fortunately, none have ended like EATEN.
Of course, these are only docile black bears. Funniest was when Mama bear had three cubs messing with our secured garbage cans. Wifey thought the cubs were so cute she would go take some pics. Opened porch door right onto mama bear snout, as mama was coming onto the porch. Hard to tell whether moma bear or wifey was more surprised. Anyway, all ended well without me having to use my local standby artillery.
And you should hear the occasional itinerant wolf pack howl on my Wisconsin diary farm. Much more interesting than the usual coyote yaps. Last year’s deer hunting season was especially wonderful–for my gang of friends and for the wolves. 8 inches of snow, 8 point bucks, and an itinerant wolf pack. Nature is wonderful and grand. Most have no idea.

ClimateOtter
Reply to  ristvan
December 19, 2016 1:11 am

I hear Diarys are difficult to raise. And the milking!

Ex-expat Colin
Reply to  ristvan
December 19, 2016 1:24 am

Pretty much the same same in Oregon (Murphy outback). Shotgun always ready for defensive action…they’ll be back after ears stop singing!

Leo Smith
Reply to  ristvan
December 19, 2016 2:05 am

Most have no idea
The epitaph of Western urban society…

2hotel9
Reply to  ristvan
December 19, 2016 5:03 am

I have at least one bear, here is western PA, who comes on my porch to check over our grill. I set a feeding point about 100 yards out into the woods for them. Looking out my back window I can see a group of maple saplings that a buck has been using to rub his antlers, I have watched him doing it as I sit here, less than 30 feet away, listening to Jim Quinn or Mr Limbow podcasts and working on the computer. Currently in this AM I am watching fat black squirrels chasing each other in the oak tops and waiting for the morning pass through of 2 does and their yearlings. Nature is grand.

rocketscientist
Reply to  ristvan
December 19, 2016 8:50 am

You are supposedly a farmer, and you keep feed open on your porch? (a trashcan lid only keep out flies and rain and maybe an anemic raccoon). And that seemed like a good idea?
Where is your farm (in suburbia?), and who taught (obviously didn’t) your wife about wildlife?

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  ristvan
December 19, 2016 2:35 pm

@ 2hotel9
I was raised in Clarion County. Then I-80 went through the middle and it got crowded. Western PA is grand, but the “west” is best.

December 18, 2016 7:48 pm

Lately I’ve been involved in a peripheral way with “qualitative” research concerning the Inuit and polar bears. It’s both maddening and hilarious to hear the “researchers” trying to get the Inuit to say that the polar bears are declining, while one after the other the Inuit hunters and elders keep trying to get across to them that they polar bears are increasing, but that they MOVE AROUND. “They’re not going instinct [sic],” one guy kept saying, “they’re just not where they were when the scientists counted them last.”

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Frank Lee MeiDere
December 19, 2016 4:17 am

why is there so much wood packing left in the tip?
I would think it would be saved and burnt to save money and landfill space?
hell light it at night to deter bears even…

December 18, 2016 7:53 pm

we have plenty of garbage for them. let’s give refuge to these refugees. problem solved. check it off.

rocketscientist
Reply to  chaamjamal
December 19, 2016 10:29 am

I hope you were sarcastic, or else this is a rather ignorant statement to make, “Let them eat garbage!”
We have moved into THEIR habitat. They would rather eat large plates of meat, but as long as garbage doesn’t fight back of run away they will eat it. As soon as the garbage supply isn’t enough the bears will go after the next easiest menu item. It’s then that the piper’s bill comes due and all the environmentalists begin clamoring for the removal of these deadly predators.
The same was said in Marin county (just north across the bridge from San Francisco) about harmless deer. “OH don’t bother Bambi!” was the chant until deer started coming through the windshields of passenger cars and injuring suburban families. Soon after that the herd began to be managed by selective hunting.
Most people have NO IDEA, but is partially our fault for allowing the ignorance to proliferate.
Many here on these threads are more interested in observing and understanding nature. It is the environmentalists who think they know enough to play God.

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  rocketscientist
December 19, 2016 2:45 pm

FREDERICK, Md. – A Maryland teenager killed a deer inside his house after it knocked over the Christmas tree.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/12/17/dashing-through-home-teen-shoots-deer-in-living-room.html

Reply to  rocketscientist
December 19, 2016 2:45 pm

It’s the same in New Jersey. You see roadkill all the time, deer mostly . If you’re driving, be sure to have the deer whistles on your car. Black bears are another problem. They are all over the place in North Jersey. There are 2 problems in New Jersey, not enough hunters, and the deer are smart. They know when it’s hunting season and move to areas, your front lawn ( where they fight, mate, eat everything and way too many), where you can’t hunt. $4000 worth of damage to the car. The buck decided the parked car in the driveway was competition. Oh, and then there is the deer ticks that spread Lyme disease. Bambi, indeed !
I’m thinking the polar bears aren’t stupid either. Look at this, those stupid humans just throw food out ! Throw in some of those puffer fish, and you’d have zombie polar bears. And the picture with the little girl hugging the polar bear. I’d like some ketchup as a dip with this snack. As long as I have food in my hand, I have the most loyal dog on the planet.
I think some of these environmentalist should experience nature up close and personal. I saw the Amex commercial, where are you brown bear ? He didn’t have to go to Alaska. He could have taken the Holland tunnel out to Wayne,NJ.

Goldrider
Reply to  rocketscientist
December 19, 2016 3:13 pm

Most of the limousine liberals only experience “nature” via Disney/Pixar. I can tell, by the idiotic way they hold their tiny tots up within bite-range of my thousand-pound, nearsighted livestock!

2hotel9
December 18, 2016 7:59 pm

Really? So, were they “refugees” in the ’20s,’30s,’40s and ’50s? There are photos and stories from whaling, fishing and research stations all the way back to the ’20s about polar bears digging in the trash, hell, pretty sure some are in old National Geographics.

Gary Pearse
December 18, 2016 7:59 pm

No! Bears are smart enough to take the easy way to a feed. This is the same behavior we see among black bears farther south, ya know the bear type that is not a threatened species,?
On a mining exploration party in northern British Columbia in 1970, we had a yearling bear that started out in our garbage pit but eventually showed up at the breakfast table (outdoors under a tarp) where he got pancakes and syrup. Babine Lake is a big lake loaded with rainbow trout and we began to catch the bear about a dozen of these in about an hour each evening. Our camp was temporary and after a week, we loaded up our boats with gear and headed up the lake for a new setup on the other side of the lake. The bear ran along the shore to come with us, but we soon left him behind.
The lake is huge:177km long and up to 10km across. Google it. The rainbows are several kg in size.

jarthuroriginal
Reply to  Gary Pearse
December 19, 2016 3:50 am

Don’t forget, people take the easy way to feed as well.
Anytime you want, one can go down to the intersection of Lawrence and Park Ave at ‘feeding time’ for the ‘homeless’ right next to the Denver Rescue Mission. Normally there are not a lot of people around but when it is time for various groups to perform their ministry of enabling people with addictions, a regular mob will show up for the free food.
Now there is building right there with a place to sleep and food, but most of these people will not take it. Why? Because you have to stay sober and work.
Now why do that when there is free food for the taking every day?
http://www.denverpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/20160308_032705_homeless-eviction-march-8.jpg

Allencic
Reply to  Gary Pearse
December 19, 2016 8:04 am

Not only will the bears go for the free grub, so will the liberals who wanted Hillary to be POTUS.

Goldrider
Reply to  Allencic
December 19, 2016 3:14 pm

Feed the liberals to the bears, problem solved! 😉

JohnWho
December 18, 2016 8:02 pm

Whoa! I’ve seen a lot of “rubbish dump” raccoons here in Florida too.
I had no idea they only did this when the climate was changing.

AndyG55
Reply to  JohnWho
December 18, 2016 11:11 pm

Down here, the ibis seem to be the rubbish tip dwellers, + feral cats.

AndyG55
Reply to  AndyG55
December 18, 2016 11:12 pm

But we don’t have many big scavengers… except the Greens party, and Malcolm Turnbull.

jorgekafkazar
December 18, 2016 8:06 pm

Polar bears float.

FJ Shepherd
December 18, 2016 8:08 pm

FFS. Churchill Manitoba, also known at the polar bear capital of the world, has had polar bears rooting around in the garbage of that town for decades. My father served in the Canadian air force and was stationed there in WW2. He knew and told me.

Not Chicken Little
December 18, 2016 8:17 pm

Living is easy with eyes closed
Misunderstanding all you see…

Gregg Eshelman
December 18, 2016 8:24 pm
Catcracking
December 18, 2016 8:30 pm

When the title mentioned Rubbish, I was not surprised the the NYT was involved.

mike
Reply to  Catcracking
December 18, 2016 9:55 pm

NYT – rubbish is correct. Gray lady down.

Ian W
Reply to  mike
December 19, 2016 2:03 am

How can a ‘green’ publication justify cutting down trees pulping them making paper, printing on it then distributing the tons of paper? Electronic publishing is far ‘greener’.

Roger Knights
Reply to  mike
December 19, 2016 3:33 am

NY Times—the piper of record.

J Mac
December 18, 2016 8:30 pm

If polar bears foraging at the dump is a sign of ‘climate refugees’ then the rats at the dump are also ‘climate refugees’. Poor rats – climate disruption forces them to forage at the dumps… and the bears eat them!!!
Oh, the ursus maritimus injustice!!!

tty
Reply to  J Mac
December 19, 2016 7:50 am

Yes, rats originated in South-East Asia so presumably they emigrated from there to get away from the heat during Roman or Medieval Warm Periods or something. And House Sparrows did the same at the end of the Ice-age when they left the Middle East and spread into Europe.
A bit harder to explain why rabbits colonized Australia that way, but quite likely BOM can prove that Australia was actually colder than England in the nineteenth century once they have finished adjusting their data.

Javert Chip
December 18, 2016 8:38 pm

POLAR BEARS! Griff will be here any minute.
Anybody who has ever watched bears (brown, black, polar…) scavenge a dump understands bears will take the easy meal if offered.
NYT dudes have probably only seen NYC homeless doe this.

Robert from oz
Reply to  Javert Chip
December 18, 2016 11:04 pm

Yeah where’s Griff the world authority on polar bears , still hiding from that Susan lady probably .

Reply to  Robert from oz
December 19, 2016 1:22 am

HeHeHe……Griff’s still trying to extract his size 11 from his mouth.

Justthinkin
December 18, 2016 8:39 pm

They don’t like polar bears getting an easy,free meal?? Well then. Why don’t they head out and give them some fresh meat,plus some exercise as the Polies chase them down? Thieving hypocrites.

hunter
December 18, 2016 8:40 pm

Declining intelligence is one of the tragic complications that those who suffer from climate change obsession frequently exhibit. As the author of this NYT piece demonstrates.

Leonard Lane
Reply to  hunter
December 18, 2016 10:36 pm

unter, it is not only declining intelligence, but, also declining or entirely lacking in real world experiences.

Climate Heretic
December 18, 2016 8:42 pm

Bears are opportunistic feeders[1]
Regards
Climate Heretic
[1] https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=opportunistic+feeder+polar+bear

Reply to  Climate Heretic
December 18, 2016 11:00 pm

Beat me to it, lol…🙂

December 18, 2016 8:58 pm

As a kid in the mid ’50s at Camp Minocqua , WI , we would have evening station wagon field trips to local dumps to watch the bears .

Walter Sobchak
December 18, 2016 9:07 pm

Doesn’t anybody at the NYTimes know that if seals can’t den on the ice, they will have to den on land. Seals are mammals and air breathers. Oh, and if the seals den on land, the bears will catch them on land. Oh, yes, BTW, the Latin name for Polar Bear is Ursus Maritimus (sea-going bears). They can travel considerable distances across open waters.

Reply to  Walter Sobchak
December 18, 2016 11:04 pm

I have repeated the same on many sites, but it doesn’t seem to sink in. 😊

Goldrider
Reply to  4TimesAYear (@4TimesAYear)
December 19, 2016 3:17 pm

Liberals don’t let inconvenient facts spoil a good hand-wringing, emotionally wrenching narrative (which makes old ladies in trailer parks write checks to their NGO’s).

Schrecken
December 18, 2016 10:20 pm

Since when do any bears (hungry or not) avoid open garbage dumps? Seriously – so an animal that is a scavenger (and a predator as well, like most carnivores) is supposed to just walk on by and ignore free food? Even well fed animals will often scavenge if they have the opportunity, because they never know where their next meal will come from. So I guess it must also be an effect of “climate change” when people chum ocean waters and sharks come in to feed….or maybe the sharks, like all predators/scavengers, are opportunistic when it comes to finding food.

Robert from oz
Reply to  Schrecken
December 18, 2016 11:22 pm

Good point Shrecken , if bears were fussy eaters not sure how many would be left .

emsnews
Reply to  Schrecken
December 19, 2016 6:01 am

Our fat well fed pets love rooting through the garbage, too!

Reply to  Schrecken
January 1, 2017 5:40 pm

Exactly. There is no animal that I know of that isn’t strictly an herbivore (and maybe not even then) that isn’t opportunistic. An easy meal that doesn’t defend itself is preferred to one that will, given a choice.

yarpos
December 18, 2016 10:21 pm

Heartrending indeed. My local warmist fan club in regional Australia has a web site, that includes what they describe as a heartrending photo of a Polar Bear looking up at the people in an ice breaker. I think it needs a thought bubble over it saying ” I wish I could get at those soft centred ones!” they do seem to be a doomsday icon.

JEM
December 18, 2016 10:29 pm

They are in the dump for the same reason that formerly migratory Canada geese now get fat and crap year-round in California industrial park lakes.
Because it’s just a lot easier.

2hotel9
Reply to  JEM
December 19, 2016 5:07 am

Yep, geese are endangered, because they crap all over people’s lawns, driveways, picnic tables, playsets and swings!

mountainape5
December 18, 2016 11:06 pm

Even if that was the case wouldn’t polar bears be better off in land?

rocketscientist
Reply to  mountainape5
December 19, 2016 11:25 am

Um…NO. The bright white fur doesn’t camouflage well in the boreal forests, and the navigation through the undergrowth doesn’t suit their large frames particularly well.
That being said if they continue to expand their habitats further south they will begin to acquire the abilities to survive in the more boreal south where natural pressures and selection will begin to change their offspring. The would also need to learn to prey on other creatures as well, because I don’t see seals and walruses being able to make the transitions into the forests.
But again, and I might think Ms. Crockford could confirm this, polar bears are an off-shoot from brown bears so they would be merely returning to their original habitats.

Robert from oz
December 18, 2016 11:06 pm

Polar bears eat what they want , carrion , garbage , seals , whale blubber , us , dogs , they are not real fussy which is why they still exist .

AndyG55
December 18, 2016 11:08 pm
December 18, 2016 11:59 pm

The NH penguins are not extinct. They were relocated to Antarctica as climate refugees …. I think.

viejecita
December 19, 2016 12:09 am

Even if the things that NYT piece says were 100% true :
Would that justify taxing old people in western countries, where it is already cold even before winter is arrived, old people who need warm homes, and can not always pay the extra cost in taxes and fines for heating , in favor of those polar bears ? Shall old white people have to be declared ” endangered species” for the “greens” to think of them ?

Herbert
December 19, 2016 12:44 am

Imagine. When Al Gore was born, there were about 7,000 polar bears, and now there are about 26,000. Or so it is claimed. Could the fact checker at the New York Times confirm this?

December 19, 2016 1:08 am

This articule seems to have been written in early December. As far as I know sea off Katovik was already frozen. Yesterday the ice ranged from 0.5 to 1 meter thick.
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/icethickness/images/FullSize_CICE_combine_thick_SM_EN_20161218.png
About two weeks ago they had an article about starving polar bears in Hudson Bay. Maybe the next article will discuss starving polar bears in Nome?

toorightmate
Reply to  Fernando Leanme
December 19, 2016 5:46 am

The thickness of those who study polar sea ice is increasing every year.
It’s very hard to bear – particularly in the polar.

Editor
Reply to  Fernando Leanme
December 19, 2016 3:27 pm

Fernando Leanme ==> Yes, the Beaufort Sea off of Kaktovik, Alaska has been fully iced over for some time now. The Ny Times article is mostly a false report.

Warren Latham
December 19, 2016 1:09 am

Aah, the dreaded “NYT” … save those whales, save those snails.
… save the trees, save the bees …
Come January, after that special event in the U. S. A., perhaps the NYT will need to save itself from extinction.

Steamboat McGoo
Reply to  Warren Latham
December 19, 2016 3:21 am

I read (always questionable, I admit) that the NYT was renting out whole floors of empty office space in their building – due to the layoffs. I earnestly hope this trend continues.

December 19, 2016 1:10 am

There is a profitable business to made by someone, offering green hunting expeditions to concerned progressive environmentalists, to tour the Arctic and shoot large numbers of polar bears, in order to create the reality suitable for consumption by urban watermelons. “Look – polar bears really are declining, it’s humans fault!”. They could brand it as something like “Elite Hunting”.

December 19, 2016 1:47 am

Who could ever think that in 2016 people would be using polar bears to impose communism

hunter
Reply to  Owen Martin
December 19, 2016 2:12 am

The climatocracy is an offshoot of kleptocracy more than communism.

Robert of Ottawa
December 19, 2016 2:35 am

From the front page of the Ottawa Citizen, just in time to support Trudeau’s carbon tax, a front page story (AKA pack of lies) of climate refugees.
http://ottawacitizen.com/news/world/migration-with-dignity-their-island-nation-may-someday-sink-into-the-ocean-so-what-are-kiribatis-people-to-do

Roy
December 19, 2016 2:39 am

There is no need to worry about polar bear refugees. Angela Merkel will give them asylum in Germany.

Steamboat McGoo
Reply to  Roy
December 19, 2016 3:25 am

RE “…asylum in Germany.” …Do polar bears eat “Middle Eastern / Eastern European” cuisine, I wonder?

Roy
Reply to  Steamboat McGoo
December 19, 2016 5:30 am

I think they will eat whatever they like!

Hans-Georg
December 19, 2016 2:57 am

If I look at the polar bears in the photos in this post, it seems to me as if they were overweight. Oh wait, there will soon be the next study that overweight polar bears have a shorter life. Mantra: The (human-made) climate change is responsible for everything: for thin polars and also for thick ones. They will all die. For various reasons. It’s all so hopeless. Michelle Confucius Obama. Amen and Ching tai.

David Chappell
December 19, 2016 3:13 am

Isn’t it encouraging to see how caring for the environment Alaskan villagers are with that dump. /sarc if needed

CheshireRed
December 19, 2016 3:16 am

What s sht tip of a place. Any chance they could tidy up a bit?

December 19, 2016 3:38 am

Here in the UK our landfill sites are swarming with seagulls, I assume that’s because of sea-level rise and not because it’s an easy source of food.
Just an additional thought, if the polar bears aren’t eating seals because of climate change are we at risk of climate related seal-level rise?

Javert Chip
Reply to  son of mulder
December 19, 2016 8:29 pm

Not only sea level rise, but a whole bunch more seals.
Ever seen San Francisco’s Pier 39 marina when the seals take it over? Seal poop & warm sun – bad combination.

entrance
December 19, 2016 4:02 am

The polar bears are actually confronted with three conflicts.
1) They must adapt to climate change.
2) As predators, they represent a competition for humans.
3) They are dangerous to humans.
Does the current situation really already have something to do with global warming? Or does it have something to do with the global human’s spread? Would anyone have written such an article if there were no people in Alaska?
In some decades food will become scarce worldwide. People will increasingly hunt predators so that they won’t be able to kill those animals we will need as food. This also applies to the polar bears. Unless global warming will kill them, we will do that.
It is a shame how we harm this world. According to the global ecological humanity’s footprint, we already need more than 1 Earth. The human overpopulation is mainly responsible for this situation. Due to the damage already done, geologists have already proclaimed a new earth age: the Anthropocene.
I think we should try to reduce the human world population to 3 or 4 billions. Then Earth could certainly reestablish a natural balance. A lot of problems would be solved that are caused by overpopulation. I am ready to help.

ClimateOtter
Reply to  entrance
December 19, 2016 4:04 am

Start by not having a family.

Reply to  entrance
December 19, 2016 4:54 am

“According to the global ecological humanity’s footprint, we already need more than 1 Earth.”
Fund raising might go better if they cut their phoney-baloney numbers in half and tell everyone we need more than 2 Earths. Alarmism works better when it’s more alarming, you know.

JustAnOldGuy
Reply to  entrance
December 19, 2016 5:09 am

Well entrance, if you’re really ready to help, you might consider an exit. I know, one-three-hundred-billionth of the solution seems woefully small but it is a start and it might become a trend among others with similar convictions.

JustAnOldGuy
Reply to  JustAnOldGuy
December 19, 2016 7:19 am

Further reflection on this concept revealed an additional incentive and a suggestion for methodology. You are obviously a person with a highly developed ethical sense so consider the following points:
You are a member of a developed, industrialized civilization so you impose a much greater burden on the earth’s resources than a Kalahari bushman for example. Therefore your exit would remove a much larger portion of humanity’s muddy footprint than the demise of some poor Third World goatherd.
Perhaps the most ethical exit would be to swim out into the ocean or other large body of water on a course perpendicular to the shoreline. You would of course undress before doing that in order to keep from introducing synthetic materials into the food chain. This one-last-skinny-dip would make the least demand on resources because you would be using earth’s most abundant compound, water, instead of refined, manufactured material such as rope, metal or drugs. It would prevent any expenditure of precious resources such as the transportation of your remains to a place where inquiry into your demise could be conducted. In fact you would be contributing to the ecosystem by providing nutrients to a variety of organisms. Give it some thought.

radzimir
Reply to  entrance
December 19, 2016 5:21 am

“It is a shame how we harm this world.”
“we” means you and who else? Do you have names?
Otherwise, how is Gaia going to produce plastic without us?

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  radzimir
December 19, 2016 2:58 pm

plastic? Give George Carlin a hat-tip.

2hotel9
Reply to  entrance
December 19, 2016 5:21 am

Not a problem! Razor blades are plentiful and cheap, so go ahead and do your part for Mother Gaia.

hunter
Reply to  entrance
December 19, 2016 6:23 am

entrance, thanks for the thought-free echoing of the biggest fool posing as a scientist of our age, Paul Ehrlich. Do you have any idea as to just how ignorant it is, as world food supply increases (in significant part due to increased CO2), to assert that we already need more than one Earth? And do note that the claim we are in an extinction crisis is what is now called “fake news”.

Phil R
Reply to  entrance
December 19, 2016 7:49 am

I’m a geologist and i don’t recognize the Anthropocene as a new earth age. Maybe SOME geologists have, and I may be a survey of one, but it refutes your assertion about geologists.

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  Phil R
December 19, 2016 3:06 pm

Nor do I but it is talked about. There is need for a “golden spike” – a global marker in the environment that should be visible years – even millions of years – into the future for scientists to see. This would allow them to identify the start of the Anthropocene.
There isn’t anything like that so there isn’t an Anthropocene.
Waiting for a big big asteroid.

catweazle666
Reply to  entrance
December 19, 2016 7:54 am

“I think we should try to reduce the human world population to 3 or 4 billions”
Go on then, you first.
Show us how to go about it.

rocketscientist
Reply to  entrance
December 19, 2016 1:54 pm

“According to the global ecological humanity’s footprint, we already need more than 1 Earth. ”
Well there’s your first indication of the innumeracy of these morosophs (well educated fools). The earth cannot support the load that it is currently supporting…all evidence to the contrary.
I suppose then we and every other creature on the planet must be imaginary. Or….maybe that is just an incredibly stupid statement.

Javert Chip
Reply to  entrance
December 19, 2016 8:43 pm

entrance
Just to keep your blubbering in-scope:
1) People have been in Alaska for 11,000 years; NYT has existed for 165 years. Proof is left to the reader, but probably fewer polar bear articles before 165 years ago.
2) Don’t even know what to say about “we already need more than 1 earth” – maybe you should go find it. Send us a postcard when you do. Please leave now.
3) If you think it’s a shame how [humans] harm the world, you’d be real upset at ice ages.
4) Speaking of ice ages, polar bears have survived thru a number of them (including the global warming part) – been there & done that. Probably could have done better if guys like you were there to help them.
4) “…we should try to reduce the human world population to 3 or 4 billions… I am ready to help…” go ahead, jump!
Good lord. In all seriousness, get a grip you tender snowflake.

December 19, 2016 4:51 am

Perhaps they don’t know it’s a garbage dump? Has anyone from the EPA explained to the bears that you are not supposed to eat the food here?

toorightmate
Reply to  tim maguire
December 19, 2016 5:48 am

If the EPA put up a sign to that effect, then the bears would know better.

Reply to  toorightmate
December 19, 2016 11:59 am

That is an excellent idea! Are you by any chance a planner of some sort?

Steamboat McGoo
Reply to  tim maguire
December 19, 2016 6:52 am

Next, they’ll ban dumping garbage in the garbage dumps because it’s a wildlife preserve. Then the bears will starve.

James Francisco
Reply to  Steamboat McGoo
December 19, 2016 7:57 am

No they won’t starve. They will do just like the bears of Yellowstone did when the tourist were told to stop feeding them. They ate the tourist.

Freedom Monger
Reply to  tim maguire
December 19, 2016 12:41 pm

Oh, that triggered a memory for me.
I don’t know if this is for real or not, but it’s hilarious;

John
December 19, 2016 4:51 am

The more people catch on to the fraud of AGW, the more ludicrous the claims for it become.

December 19, 2016 4:53 am

The article also quoted tourists bemoaning how dirty the poor bears got scavenging in whale carcasses, with the comment that there is always Photoshop to clean them up.

Javert Chip
Reply to  Tom Halla
December 19, 2016 8:46 pm

Even with PhotoShop, how do you clean up a whale carcass?

2hotel9
Reply to  Javert Chip
December 20, 2016 3:26 am

Trackhoe. Bulldozer. Dirt. Whale all cleaned up!

arthur4563
December 19, 2016 5:09 am

The New York Times science articles about global warming have been unbelievably shallow.
This article provides zero proof and a misleading claim about “receding ice.” This what total speculation in the absence of knowledge looks like.

December 19, 2016 6:03 am

Despite this AGW article being completely devoid of facts and reality (which is normal for such an article), it’s clear that the article was written as clickbait so WUWT would carry it and get enough clicks to stay in business for another week.

Ron Clutz
December 19, 2016 7:05 am

Also be advised and alarmed that reindeer are shrinking.
https://rclutz.wordpress.com/2016/12/19/save-the-reindeer/

Steve (Paris)
December 19, 2016 7:16 am

Tree planting up in BC many, many moons ago. Foreman told me to come out of my tent real slow and stand up tall. Seems a brown bear was poking around not far off. Great I thought and grabbed my camera (with film, remember those?). Real wildlife to tell the (then highly unlikely) grandkids about. So I step out and stand tall but the brown bear stands taller even though every single hair on my head stood up. Primal instinct I guess. Never did get that photo but I will forever remember that bear.

Fraizer
December 19, 2016 7:25 am

Hey!
Where is Griff?
We need him to weight in with his expansive polar bear expertise.

Javert Chip
Reply to  Fraizer
December 19, 2016 8:56 pm

Griff may inadvertently have fatally damaged himself with the polar bear stuff; kinda like walking into a spinning propeller. He may need to be reincarnated as a different sock-puppet (though he does have a unique style that may shine through…).
Even pet-trolls may lose viability if the number of arrows shot into them weighs more than the troll. Also make it difficult to crawl back under your rock.

Mark Lee
December 19, 2016 7:34 am

Oh Lord. I grew up in Alaska. Not in polar bear country, but in Anchorage. Was it climate change that brought all the moose into town during the winter or could it possibly have been that moose were smart enough to recognize that life in town was a lot easier. They didn’t have to worry about wolves, or hunters with rifles. They didn’t have to contend with deep snow as they searched for forage. There was lots of garden leftovers and their normal fodder was in abundance in the undeveloped lots and parks. I probably saw a couple moose a week in just my neighborhood. Animals are a lot smarter than the libs who idolize them. If they have found a way to scavenge from humans, they’ll exploit it and in most cases, benefit.

Phil
December 19, 2016 7:55 am

Don’t ALL bears raid garbage dumps. Has this not been happening for over a century.

Griff
December 19, 2016 8:05 am

Of course the bears are in trouble… sea ice retreat along the Alaskan coast has been early and severe in recent years.
See also:
http://www.carbonbrief.org/polar-bears-and-climate-change-what-does-the-science-say
http://www.polarbearsinternational.org/news-room/scientists-and-explorers-blog/challenging-ice-year-svalbard
http://www.polarbearsinternational.org/news-room/scientists-and-explorers-blog/tough-times-hudson-bay-polar-bears
“This year, as I was rumbling back into Churchill from the Tundra Buggy Lodge, I reflected on the contrast with 1984: Now we see fewer cubs (and rarely triplets), few roly-poly bears, a lot of skinny bears, and far fewer bears overall. In fact, the last bear I saw was a skinny adult male burying the remains of a recently killed polar bear cub: behind him not a bit of sea ice, even though it was November.”

hunter
Reply to  Griff
December 19, 2016 8:26 am

Griff, if your resistance to facts and critical thinking could be weaponized you would change the world’s military balance.

RACookPE1978
Editor
Reply to  Griff
December 19, 2016 8:27 am

So, more bears (around Churchill CA Hudson Bay) today than in the past. (But the writer ommits any specific definition of the season of the year and the specific counts and weights of ANY bear involved in this “comparison” between today (2016, ??) and “1984”.)
Of course, more polar bears and better housekeeping (better trash disposal, less “free food”) means skinnier bears.
However, Hudson Bay has NOT gotten any larger between 1984 and 2015-2016!
The maximum AND minimum sea ice in Hudson Bay has remained IDENTICAL since the last Ice Age gouged out Hudson Bay’s near-circular features in the granite!
Maximum sea ice over Hudson Bay = 1.2 MKm^2 – same as today.
Minimum sea ice = 0.00 MKm^2 = Same as today.
Looking at the Cryosphere’s daily sea ice records for Hudson Bay show NO trend in the melt season (more than a few days) – which is not enough to NOT affect the seals and wildlife around the entire bay – compared to the wildly varying season to season changes. (If year-to-year cyclical changes from 1.2 million square kilometers to 0.0 sea ice vary by 12-14 days every year, then a 40 year change of 2-3 days in the length of that cycle means nothing. EVERY polar bear who “knew” of a 200 day-long ice season has died, and EVERY polar bear that experienced a 220 day ice season has died, and EVERY polar bear who experienced a 180 ice season has died, and every polar bear who has experienced anything between a 180-200-220 day ice season has died.

catweazle666
Reply to  Griff
December 19, 2016 8:46 am

Still lying about polar bears, Grifter?
Have you apologised to Dr. Crockford yet, you obnoxious, smearing, mendacious little propagandist?
You have some damn gall showing yourself on here after the way you’ve behaved.

Reply to  Griff
December 19, 2016 8:59 am

Polar bears survived the Eemian:

There was a paper … indicating that polar bears became a distinct species about 600kya (+/- 300k years).
This means that they have survived at least two (and possibly eight) previous interglacials, in particular the Eemian (130kya to 110kya), when temperatures in the Arctic were 5 to 8 degrees Celsius warmer than current temperatures for several thousand years.

Reply to  Griff
December 19, 2016 10:07 am

1) Svalbard? — “Over the years, Svalbard has acted almost like a refuge when it comes to polar bears and the populations have increased with numbers now thought to be reaching 3,000! This is a huge positive, not just for the bears as a species, but for specialist operators such as ourselves, as these days we are more than confident in regards to sightings.” https://www.naturalworldsafaris.com/polar-regions/svalbard/information/when-is-the-best-time-to-see-polar-bears-in-svalbard
2) The carbon brief talks about the IUCN/PBSG estimates. That group now includes a footnotes in their reports that says these aren’t valid scientific estimates — “As part of past status reports, the PBSG has traditionally estimated a range for the total number of polar bears in the circumpolar Arctic. Since 2005, this range has been 20-25,000. It is important to realize that this range never has been an estimate of total abundance in a scientific sense, but simply a qualified guess given to satisfy public demand. It is also important to note that even though we have scientifically valid estimates for a majority of the subpopulations, some are dated. Furthermore, there are no abundance estimates for the Arctic Basin, East Greenland, and the Russian subpopulations. Consequently, there is either no, or only rudimentary, knowledge to support guesses about the possible abundance of polar bears in approximately half the areas they occupy. Thus, the range given for total global population should be viewed with great caution as it cannot be used to assess population trend over the long term.” — Dr. Dag Vongraven, chairman of the IUCN Polar Bear Specialist Group (PBSG).
3) The Western Hudson Bay and Southern Hudson Bay polar bear population are currently listed as stable by the same group. http://pbsg.npolar.no/en/status/status-table.html
Here is the current Canadian Department of the Environment estimate on polar bear populations around the world –comment image — You should notice a huge shift from 2009 to 2014. In 2009, seven populations were listed in “decline”, in 2014, none are (although, two are listed as “likely decline”. In 2009, the Western Hudson Bay was in likely decline, now it is “likely stable”.

Fraizer
Reply to  Griff
December 19, 2016 11:02 am

Guess I should be careful what I ask for ;-}

2hotel9
Reply to  Griff
December 19, 2016 6:38 pm

Oh, look! The lie spewer hath arrived!

Javert Chip
Reply to  Griff
December 19, 2016 8:59 pm

Griff
With all the alleged lack of cubs, how do you explain the population increase?

December 19, 2016 9:12 am

Looks to me like they’re smart polar bears. Garbage dumps are so much easier than chasing down seals. Climate has nothing to do with it.

Resourceguy
December 19, 2016 9:14 am

Of course the NYT will ignore illegal dumps and out of compliance landfills when it suits them.

James at 48
December 19, 2016 12:31 pm

Has nothing to do with climate but it is a different type of tragedy. Garbage addicted bears are dead bears walking. Meanwhile, here in California, now that the “Waste Zero” meme has caught on, and led to multi bin garbage and recycling trucks with robotic arms, naturally it has also led to easy opening cans. Bears, not to mention raccoons, coyotes and mountain lions, adore them.

David Larsen
December 19, 2016 12:40 pm

I have said this before. I used to hunt moose at the arctic circle in early ’90’s. I spoke with a man natural resources who said they used to drug the bears in town in northern Manitoba and haul them out of town.

December 19, 2016 1:19 pm

By the look of the photos, the well fed Polar Bear take-away operatives are a whole lot smarter than the Climate Alarmists commenting on them. The seals are happier too.

Editor
December 19, 2016 2:06 pm

Eric ==> The bears are there because the natives hunt whales and leave the stripped carcasses out for the bears to clean up — every year — year after year. Bears, like all other animals, have an extremely good memory for where food might be found and return to spots where they found food before, even years later.
If the bears didn’t show up, or came in skinny and malnourished, that would be a worry — hungry bears can be very very dangerous.

Gunga Din
December 19, 2016 2:15 pm

Claim: Rubbish Dump Polar Bears are “Climate Refugees”

Hmmm….I don’t suppose to these CAGW geniuses that the concept of “the survival of the fittest” might have room for those who have have found where “the eating is the easiest”?
Or, maybe, this is yet another case where anything Man does is unnatural, in this case a garbage dump, because …. what? …. Man is not “natural”? Man is not a part of Ma’ Gaia’s plan?
Just what is the axiom of their logic?

JasG
December 19, 2016 4:02 pm

It’s amazing they don’t know that polar bears would eat anything. Seal pups are only on the menu because there is nothing else available out there. Less ice actually increases their food supply! It would just be dumb to wait hours by an ice-hole when human garbage is so handy. These eco-loons seem to get degrees without actually reading books. And why does nobody weep for the poor seal pups? Are they only cute when humans kill them?

Pop Piasa
Reply to  JasG
December 19, 2016 5:15 pm

Somehow the eggheads of society have determined that mankind is separate from nature and everything we do upsets its ‘balance’.

Pop Piasa
December 19, 2016 5:01 pm

If we desire to bolster the Polar bear population, the dumps as feeding stations are a symbiosis, at least from an intrinsic perspective. All that is needed is proper administrating and locating of the feeding sites. Surely those who fear extinction of this lovable predator beast could fund that effort, aay?

Dying Gaul
December 19, 2016 8:40 pm

This is just like the crop circles in Britain years ago. They would regularly occur on a Thursday night and get reported on the Friday news. Tourists would go out over the weekend to see them. The farmers would just have! to charge the tourists for walking all over their crop. The tourists would just have! to go and see each set of circles to carefully compare measurements down to the centimeter.
This is a beautiful study in economics. A market will always appear no matter how strange the environment. I’m still stumped to see who is taking advantage of whom; the bears?, the Alaskans?, the environmentalists? I do however think the NYT reader is last one standing when the music stops.

Admad
December 19, 2016 11:54 pm

Utter bovine excrement. Desperation bordering on the comical.

Griff
December 20, 2016 12:58 am

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/dec/20/churchill-canada-hudson-bay-no-snow-sea-ice-polar-bear
(Hudson Bay bears)
“The ice is getting thinner; it’s melting earlier and it’s coming later. New studies suggest that polar bears can only survive for about 180 days on shore.
York was clear: “If sea ice loss continues at the same pace or faster than we have seen here over the last 30 years, this is definitely not sustainable and researchers predict polar bears could become regionally extinct by mid- to end of this century.”
The polar bear is an icon of climate change. What is happening near Churchill is a clear sign that change is taking place now. When I returned to Europe, the frost finally came. It should have been one month earlier.”

2hotel9
Reply to  Griff
December 20, 2016 3:30 am

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!! You need to take that comedy routine on the circuit, griffie, you are just too funny.

Griff
December 20, 2016 1:35 am

https://thebarentsobserver.com/ru/node/890
“Polar bears in the beleaguered southern Beaufort Sea population are now three times as likely to come ashore in summer and fall as they were in the mid-1980s, according to the study, by scientists from the U.S. Geological Survey, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and two universities. The bears that come ashore are also staying there much longer than bears did in the past, according to the study.
The big changes, the study found, have happened over the past decade and a half — corresponding to big reductions in summer and fall sea ice.”
“Since the late 1990s, the open-water season in the southern Beaufort Sea has expanded by 36 days on average, and polar bears have responded in kind, said the study, published online in the journal PLOS ONE. Since that time, the study said, the polar bears that swim to shore are spending 31 more days a year there.”
“The bears that come ashore …. seem to be making a beeline for piles of meat- and blubber-laden bones left after local Inupiat hunters butcher bowhead whales on the beaches, according to scientists’ data”

2hotel9
Reply to  Griff
December 20, 2016 3:33 am

Stop, stop, stop! I can’t catch my breath. Oh ho, so funny, bears can’t survive where they have ready access to food and shelter for their cubs! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Javert Chip
Reply to  Griff
December 20, 2016 6:49 am

Griff
Yes, but is PLOS ONE qualified to publish that article?
How do we know this isn’t just one of your troll comic books?

Johann Wundersamer
December 20, 2016 2:38 am

That picturecomment image
tells
there’s a lot of polar bears happy lucky feeding on people’s behalf.
Thanks!

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Johann Wundersamer
December 20, 2016 3:19 am

Polar bears are very protective of their food sources, seems these three or four are having a great time.

Casey
December 20, 2016 3:12 am

Occam’s Razor – animals are not stupid, they will get food the quickest and easiest way they can.
Why hunt for food when there is a pile of it just waiting to be scarfed down?
That’s WHY foxes go into bins and seagulls pinch your chips… it’s easier than dive bombing fish or chasing forest meeces – same thing here with the PBs.
I do wish these religious believers would stop trying to piggy back everything to their fantasy!

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Casey
December 20, 2016 3:22 am

I have never seen a fox dump on my shoulder, but I get your point.

Johann Wundersamer
Reply to  Casey
December 20, 2016 1:24 pm

https://www.google.at/search?q=fox+stealing+shoes&oq=fox+stealing+shoes&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l2.22951j0j4&client=ms-android-samsung&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
Cheers

Patrick MJD
December 20, 2016 3:21 am

WOW! Griff is still on the bile trail. How about making a donation in the other thread?

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