I’m traveling today with Christopher Monckton, after being part of his lecture last night in Half Moon Bay, CA.
Today, we were on KSFO AM 560 in San Francisco with Brian Sussman.
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Please tell us you have video of CM’s pitch. I would just love to see how my fellow-Brit went down in CA. (Of course, he will not go down, only up!).
I’ll keep searching, Harry, but, until I find the audio link (or video), in the meantime, here is a link to the lord a leaping (click on video that will appear on webpage):
http://www.ksfo.com/2016/12/09/december-9-ksfo-morning-show-web-exclusive-lord-christopher-monckton-leaping/
(you’ll get a chuckle out of the mistake by the producer re-titling Monckton as “The Lord of Leaping” — Brenchley will just have to make do without from now on)
Teeeeeen lords a leaping
Harry — here is the link to the KSFO page with their December 9, 2016 podcast of Monckton of Brenchley. Click on the 6th podcast from the top.
http://www.ksfo.com/2016/12/09/ksfo-morning-show-december-9-2016/
It’s about 13 minutes long total.
Harry. Do you read me? 🙂
(heh, heh — it hasn’t been all that long since I responded to Harry, but I JUST HAD TO SAY IT! lololol — for anyone wondering…. that is an allusion to Climategate (broke on WUWT, Nov. 19, 2009))
The Lord of Leaping, indeed.
Janice Moore @ur momisugly at 11:45 am:
Thanks for the link to the podcast. The previous podcast with LaVoy Finicum’s widow was interesting also.
Well his Lordship did in fact leap into a football stadium by parachute. That was one of his early antics, predating even the famous open mike lecture to the watermelons.
So he definitely is The Lord-a-Leaping.
G
Hi, OK, you’re welcome. Thanks for letting me know.
Yes, I listened to the interview with the murdered man’s wife, too. Appalling. It reminded me of the Janet Reno/Bill Clinton thugs who broke into Elian Gonzales’ grandparents’ house in Florida and yanked the little boy (whose mother died helping him escape the Communists of Cuba) out of the closet where he was hiding and sent him back to Castro’s lair. Very glad to hear (in Monckton’s KSFO interview) that Monckton and others are bringing a formal international inquiry to shine a very bright spotlight on the evil that was done in the desert of eastern Oregon that day.
No. I will NEVER forget.
Clinton Syndicate — Typical Operation (Miami, 2000)
http://www.history.com/s3static/video-thumbnails/AETN-History_Prod/24/202/History_Federal_Seizure_of_Elian_Gonzalez_Speech_SF_still_624x352.jpg
(Elian Gonzalez and relative)
Here is the rancher Lavoy Finicum murder to which OK and I were referring (into which Lord Monckton has launched an international inquiry) — widow interviewed in KSFO podcast just above the Monckton and Watts podcast (Dec. 9, 2016).
CAUTION: Do not watch this unless you are prepared to watch something very disturbing.
“The Oregonian” — helicopter video with cell phone video synced
(youtube — about 12 minutes long)
Those interested in the Elian Gonzalez case might like to know about the Cuba Archive web-page.
Cuba Archive, “documents deaths and disappearances resulting from the Cuban revolution and studies transitional issues related to truth, memory and justice. This project seeks to help Cubans attain their rightful freedoms, foster a culture of respect for life and the rule of law, and honor the memory of those who’ve paid the highest price.
They show pictures of some of the people Castro has murdered; all tragic, many young and beautiful — men and women, both.
I think they’re doing excellent work, and have donated to them. You can, too. 🙂
The Middle East Research Institute, MEMRI is another worthy group, by the way and in my opinion. They include videos in translation of hortatory speeches recorded in middle eastern mosques. Very educational.
Janice FYI that picture of Elian Gonzalas is about as real as the picture of the Polar Bear/Penguin on the loan piece of ice. You may want a different one to illustrate your point.
That photo was on the cover of many nationally known publications NOT sympathetic to the Clinton administration. The burden of proof is on you, iron. You will have to prove it is was not genuine to be believed, here.
Further, EVEN IF, ad arguendo, it were altered, the testimony of those present firmly establishes that the photo is an accurate representation of what was done.
Not the conference but loads of interviews he conducted while he was there,sample here,
If any one is thinking about clicking on that, do it. XD
Christopher and Anthony were in the Linda Mar district of Pacifica, CA, on the Pacific coast about 20 miles north of Half Moon Bay.
That must be the back of the head of Brainiac Sherry Yee, with Uber DJ computer whizz Katie Greene. I don’t recognize that image of The Sussman; resident KSFO fully credentialed Staff Meteorologist.
G
How is the reception of your facts based on sound science going over with the flower powered Californians?
If skeptics want to win public support for rational enviromental policy we can now force debates.
The loony left cannot stand the light. Public Policy Debates would gain massive audience and FORCE the left to real debate instead of MSM talking points!
PLEASE contact the Trump Transition Team and request Policy debates. https://www.donaldjtrump.com/c…
Presedential Public Policy Debates (PPPD) on CAGW and other issues like immigration with people like Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer and David Horowitz debating whomever the left wants to send to embarrass.
Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming debate would be excellent. The left CANNOT win those debates. So PLEASE email the Trump Transition Team to set these up.
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Just having the NSF and other grant-bestowing agencies fund real climatology rather than “climate science” would end the scare tactics.
You get what you pay for. As long as governments and foundations pay for climate alarmism, that’s what you’ll get. If they instead fund genuine science, then the good will drive out the bad.
I for one have done so–thrice.
Great Roger! A combination of MSM black out a,d snowflake safe spaces has kept the pu pic ignorant. Donald Trump can force openness.
I have contacted the transition team as well. Your link is incomplete. The link place I left my thoughts was:
https://apply.ptt.gov/yourstory/
The official website for the transition teams is http://www.greatagain.gov
Some 7 years ago Monckton was in Vancouver. After his address I gave him a framed cartoon that I had commissioned. Image of someone seeking advice from a wise man sitting on a mountain top.
The advice was:
“The Karma of Geophysics will soon overwhelm the dogma of global warming religions.”
Seems to be working out.
Bob Hoye
Fake is the new real.
“Oceans are 30% more acidic”
VIDEO
http://www.kgw.com/news/history-makers-2016-dr-jane-lubchenco/353888048
The notion of “fake news” is the scariest thing I’ve heard in a long time. I blame the school system for no longer requiring the reading of Orwell’s 1984.
Orwell hated communism but rather liked socialism. Why did he think socialism always failed?
commieBob
I got an email which has a picture of Santa Claus and the caption
“Before you make fun of children believing in me
Remember, there are adults who still believe in socialism”
I can’t find a link direct to tghe picture.
“The notion of “fake news” is the scariest thing I’ve heard in a long time.”
Fake news is nothing new. You have been listening to fake news all your life. The Leftwing news media around the world, is in the business of pushing their political ideology using lies and half-truths, not telling the truth. Telling the people the truth would harm their leftist political agenda, so instead you get “Fake News”.
Another Ian…
Here is a link to your Santa…
http://starecat.com/santa-claus-before-you-make-fun-of-children-for-believing-in-me-remember-there-are-adults-who-still-believe-in-socialism/
Steve Fraser
Thanks
Another Ian
MSM “new” has long been fake.
News. Cold fingers here in the Pacific NW Winter Wonderland. Warmed up overnight from high yesterday of 16 F to 19 F.
Look at what is headed our way. This stream started moving north 8 days ago. It has tripled the precipitable water content moving closer to the coast. It also looks like some portion of Southern California will receive some heavy rains…https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/overlay=total_precipitable_water/orthographic=-139.46,33.17,819/loc=-136.469,36.106
Yup, the El Nino drought which has so annoyed snowmobilers in the PNW has ended with a vengeance.
Expect CA to blame heavy rains on climate change, just as they did the drought. Instead of weather.
I’ve just started an information only website
http://www.use-due-diligence-on-climate.org/
as an adjunct to sites like WUWT.
Hope you find it useful in getting the message out.
Will add more as time goes on, happy to have constructive criticism / more info when I get contact connected.
Looks like a major effort. Suggestions: 1. contact Anthony to get it added to WUWT’s blogroll, 2. add the URL to your personal info when you write a comment here — that way, your name will become a link to your website.
Your site is easy to navigate.
It contains really useful links.
Good job.
OMG: I am a 71 year old engineer/statistician/physicist who has been totally bummed out by the misuse of climate data and the whole anti-CO2 cabal. Your website and the links you provide are the absolute best resource for sound reason and logic that I have ever seen.
(Apologies to WUWT, your’s is an even handed presentation of facts, but this new site is a TERRIFIC primer for anyone who needs support in explaining the facts)
My cars are both Prius’s and I meticulously conserve energy and water. Quite honestly I am most angry about the money and resources being (ab)used on CO2 abatement, when this money should be used to clean up the serious problems in today’s world: air pollution in China, India, and now Paris; conservation of the finite fossil fuels in or earth; the abuse of the oceans to where a giant floating island of plastics and non biodegradable junk has been created; and many others. The money spent on trying to reduce airborne fertilizer; AKA: CO2 is a sin and a wasteful diversion of money and resource!
I have a friend who knows Rep Lamar Smith. I have already sent him a link to this website and an additional link to Climate Change in 12 minutes. I will make sure that I ask him to forward it!
Looks good William – thanks for your efforts.
Additional to the comments on changing the tinyurl links, I would suggest links opening in a new tab, so that your site may be read in parallel with your references. The same suggestion would go for WUWT, although a conversion job would admittedly be a mammoth task for the latter.
Sorry William. Misposted this against your post.
got any pics of that “giant island of floating garbage” that aren’t zoomed in?
Actually the reference is to the many diffuse areas of plastic and marine refuse where ever any giant circulation coagulates it. The problem is real. the pictorial evidence is unimpressive
Looks good and useful.
Thanks.
You might ask for suggestions regarding security from some of those who run a popular blog or site.
Do you mean personal physical security from bodily harm, or cybersecurity for the site?
Cyber security advise from those who run blogs or sites..
Thanks.
I wondered if you were concerned for the physical safety of skeptics.
Excellent work. Nice clean, easy to navigate page format, good clear writing. One minor suggestion / complaint: Many people (including me) do not like tinyurl and other URL
obscuringshortening methods, and they will either not see or disregard your explanation for using them. WRT that explanation, you should add something like “If you want to check the URL first, [j]ust copy & paste links into your browser search box & enter.” A useful trick which I didn’t know – thanks – but, still, better to use a standard href with link text, so the reader can simply mouse over the link and see the actual URL in their browser status bar.Right. Instead of using tinyurl, just hide the original lengthy URL behind an appropriate descriptive text.
Many thanks for setting this site up.
1saveenergy: Great to see another website devoted to REAL climate info. I have considered doing that myself but just don’t have time.
I clicked your “Contact” menu item and got a blank page. I wanted to comment on your point regarding a single number (global average temperature) where you reference an accuracy of 0.01 degrees. In the interest of maintaining scientific accuracy on your site, you might note that, at least for the HADCRUT4 data set, a 95% confidence interval is included. The width of the interval varies by month, but averages about 0.3 degrees C, and I think it’s about 0.18 degrees C for annual values.
I am an engineer that likes to look at data before drawing conclusions, which is why I long ago fell off the CAGW wagon. I just want to make sure those of us who believe in real data don’t get accused of manipulating it.
Thanks for all the positive comments, it’s taken a lot of time & work checking & re-checking facts then trying to put it into an accessible format; lots more info to be added in the future…. plus a similar site on energy next year.
For over a half century I have watched this drift so was pleased to see at your beginning the emphasis on problem solving. A geologist a few years ago commented to me about an even older (circa 1950) project that was an example of excellent problem solving. The project’s director was my major mentor. The geologist suggested that it could never happen again. I hope not, but we have to strongly educate all about the fallacy of solutions looking for problems.
HDH
Remember Victor Borge’s comment about his uncle
“inventing the cure for which there was no disease”?
Sorry, I misposted this to William. Try again!
Alan Ranger December 9, 2016 at 7:33 pm
Looks good – thanks for your efforts.
Additional to the comments on changing the tinyurl links, I would suggest links opening in a new tab, so that your site may be read in parallel with your references. The same suggestion would go for WUWT, although a conversion job would admittedly be a mammoth task for the latter. (This is just a personal preference, not a criticism BTW). From your site:
“A neat often used trick is to just show the anomaly, so a small amount looks enormous.”
Just one to add to this – the datum for the anomaly is also often used to try to indicate some sort of “normal” or correct or optimal value. But it is physically quite meaningless and only has a significance (exists) in the statistical treatment of the data points. A classic example is
Blue legs good; red legs bad.
Nice job, 1saveenergy.
Trouble is, we engineers have a different mind set … see Dilbert and search on line for engineering jokes. My wife and one of my very good engineering friend’s wife used to exchange engineering jokes they thought applied to us and paste them on our refrigerators to prove to us that our minds were a bit bent.
The poly sci types out there might not get past your first page.
But I have it bookmarked.
Thanks.
““It doesn’t matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true.”
Paul Watson, a founder of Greenpeace’
“If we want a good environmental policy in the future we’ll need to have a disaster.”
Quote by Sir John Houghton, lead editor of first three IPCC reports”. (From your page1)
That disaster was the last 8-16 years years!
@ur momisugly 1saveenergy
I have only had a quick glance thus far but here are a couple of observations: There is a lot of work there, well done indeed.
One correction needed: On the link to CO2 Carbon Dioxide (it’s not carbon) – under Quick Links, you state that: “CO2 is a very tiny trace gas, currently just 0.000397 % of the atmosphere…” which is two too many zeros. It should be (rounded up) currently 0.04%.
Just a minor observation: it might be worth reducing the number of double-exclamation marks (!!) – but that’s only a personal fad of my own 😉
Thanks Luc…..fixed
This in from reliable sources:
The Trump EPA transition team “has asked the agency to list employees and contractors who attended United Nations climate meetings, along with those who helped develop the Obama administration’s social cost of carbon metrics”
Oh this is going to be fun!
Also, not to be remiss, greetings to Lord Monckton, happy you could help spread the word to more people here in the States.
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.
You are right! A simple permanent transfer to a suitable work location – such as a new office building about 75mi straight N of Fairbanks, AK [no septic or sewer system, just outhouses] – would be appropriate. While there studies of the local climate would be encouraged. If the transfer is refused, their resignations would be accepted.
here’s a link to that, Mark –
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/309607-report-trump-memo-probes-obama-climate-work-clean-energy-research
It would be nice to come up with 20 questions to ask each and every one of these internal government activists who have been pushing the climate scam. And, if the answer to any of the question is “I don’t know”, then the response is “you’re fired”.
Time for these swamp critters to find a real job.
Trump will never make it to the ‘Whitehouse’, the fix is in.Beware.
Obama orders review of cyber attacks on 2016 election – adviser
President Barack Obama directed US intelligence agencies to conduct a full review of cyber attacks and foreign intervention into the 2016 election and deliver a report before he leaves office, homeland security adviser Lisa Monaco said on Friday. Monaco told reporters the results of the report would be shared with lawmakers and others. Obama leaves office on January 20. (Reuters)
There would be civil war. Obama would lose.
Not without reason has Trump placed recently retired Marine and Army general officers in positions of power. The armed forces would stay out of a civil war, except for National Guard troops enforcing martial law in some places.
The main enemy would be militarized federal law enforcement agencies, but even many of their minions would not fire on American civilians.
Chimp, the National Guard is under a dual reporting structure of State and Federal Officials. I’m sure that most of them would just say screw-off to Obama
Well, even if the Russians were the ones who supplied Wikileaks with all the stolen Hillary/Democrat emails (Wikileaks head, Julian Assange says it was not the Russians), all the Wikileaks emails did was expose the truth. The truth is what defeated Hillary, not Russian hackers. And there is no evidence whatsoever that Russian hackers compromised any ballot system in any state.
This is all an effort to undermine Trump’s legitimacy, just like the recount effort, and just like the left emphasizing that Trump didn’t win the popular vote. The Left never stops attacking. If they get hammered in an election, like the last one, they just doubledown on the attacks. That’s the only thing they know to do.
@ur momisugly TA
Exactly the same has happened in the UK over Brexit, too. The losers will not give up – until it’s all over. They don’t understand the word ‘democracy’ or the democratic will of the people.
Give my regards to Christopher and get him some tasty strawberries!
PMK
I’ve been watching the CFSV2 daily surface global temperature anomaly estimate drop to its lowest point all year, and the lowest since July 2015, driven primarily by a big drop in the Northern Hemisphere over the last several days. Details here:
https://oz4caster.wordpress.com/cfsr/
There will probably be a large rebound before too long, but the GFS is forecasting even more of a drop over the next week, as can be seen here:
http://www.karstenhaustein.com/climate.php
Cool! Actually, Cold , at least, in Dallas, most of North America, Russia, and the North Pacific.
I think we are going to need a fake science news section. There is plenty of material already out there.
…and NPR and the Associated Press disseminate more fake science news almost every day !!!
Fake news.
Today I read a blurb about Hillary speaking for first time since she lost. She blasted “fake news” stories.
(I don’t think she mentioned that internet video that caused the Benghazi attack though.8-)
If Hillary had been elected she would be doing something about fake news, not just talking about it. Of course, in her mind, fake news is anything that doesn’t go along with the way she and the Left see the world. In other words, she has not problem censoring your speech if you disagree with her. She and Merkel see eye to eye on this. Hillary would turn the U.S. into Germany, by curtailing free speech, if given the opportunity.
I wish she would go away. But that probably won’t happen, even if she were to want it to, because there is still the matter of a few unfinished criminal investigations pending. We may see a lot of defendant Hillary Clinton in the future.
At this point, what difference does it make ??
G
Well, if they lock her up at least she won’t be on tv all the time offering her opinions. That would make a big differnce to me. She really inconveniences me, because every time she comes on tv I have to start looking for another channel to watch.
I’m waiting for Colorado University’s Sea Level Research Group
http://sealevel.colorado.edu/
to update to release 2016 #5, maybe it won’t happen until 2017 #1 anyway Jason3 should be on board sooner or later and when that happens, it would be surprising if there weren’t some upjustments made to the data. Over the years they’ve bumped the rate of sea level rise up by nearly a millimeter per year.
Mark from the Midwest: Is this the article you were referring to?
Trump Memo Reveals Plans For Massive Shake-Up At Energy Department
Hinting at a broad shake-up at the Energy Department, Trump’s team has submitted a list of 65 questions requesting information on everything from how to keep aging nuclear plants online to a list of employees and contractors that attended the United Nations climate meetings.
From: http://www.zerohedge.com/
It’s the same info, different source
Lord Monckton reminds me of Winston Churchill — a patriot and genius-polyglot who fights against evil (that is to say Socialism/Fascism/Nazism/Progressivism/Communism) for the cause of freedom and liberty.
Churchill was at best biglot. The quality of his French is a controversial subject:
http://www.winstonchurchill.org/support?catid=0&id=893
He famously hated studying Latin, saying that he would never address a table, so learning the vocative form of table made no sense. Dunno if he were ever exposed to Greek.
Cute, Chimp. 🙂 Just to help out Mr. Fine (in case he is unavoidably detained from responding here), I’m pretty sure he meant to use the word: “polymath.”
Who’s that? The late astronomer Patrick Moore?
Churchill understood both languages, English and American.
Polymath – a parrot that can do arithmetic.
Churchill was just another Bullshit Politician,smoked the finest cigars,drank the finest whiskey,and sat back and ordered that protesters to his policies to be shot on the streets.He would have been well aligned with the Glow-bull warming crowd of today.
The quality of ANY French is a controversial subject ! They can’t even pronounce an ordinary Irish name properly. Well at least the Swiss French can’t.
g
My favourite Churchill quote “But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new dark age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science…” Sounds like Climategate
From the “You Can’t Make This Stuff Up” department:
Global warming might be causing dogs to become depressed,
say pet behaviourists
Leading pet behaviourists say the number of depressed and
unsettled dogs they have seen in recent months is unprecedented
Barking up the wrong tree?
Arf-baked science.
Listening to their master’s voice?
Probably being fed renewables!
Renewables are indeed a dog’s breakfast. Ask Finland.
Finland set to become first country to ban coal use for energy
Finland could become the first country to ditch coal for good. As part of a new energy and climate strategy due to be announced tomorrow, the government is considering banning the burning of coal for energy by 2030.
“Basically, coal would disappear from the Finnish market,” says Peter Lund, a researcher at Aalto University, and chair of the energy programme at the European Academies’ Science Advisory Council.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2113827-finland-set-to-become-first-country-to-ban-coal-use-for-energy/
Biodiesel to fuel growth
By 2015, Finnish paper giants UPM-Kymmene, Stora Enso and Metsa Group had shut more than 30 paper-making machines around the country, most of them located in small towns highly dependent on the companies for jobs and tax revenue.
But with forests covering 78 percent of Finland’s land surface, they are unquestionably one of the country’s most important resources.
Metsa Group is not alone in hoping trees can mean new growth in two senses.
Another group, Finnpulp, plans to build a new pulp and biorefinery in the eastern town of Kuopio, while Chinese Sunshine Kaidi New Energy Group plans to invest a billion euros in a refinery making renewable diesel from wood materials in the northern Finnish town of Kemi.
Finland’s leading forestry giant UPM is already in the business.
Video games like Angry Birds generate only a fraction of the revenue Nokia used to achieve
Last year in the southeastern town of Lappeenranta it launched a biorefinery that turns resin, a side product from making pulp, into diesel.
“It’s the world’s first facility to produce wood-based diesel,” UPM’s head of biofuels Sari Mannonen said.
She anticipates growth especially in western Europe, where the EU’s climate targets urge replacing fossil fuels with new green options.
Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2016-11-finland-post-nokia-economic-champion.html#jCp
I remember when KSFO went to a (realatively)conservative talk format. The reaction by the San Jose Mockery News and the San Francico Comical was classic indignation.
The upcoming battle over EPA Administrator-Designate Scott Pruitt’s confirmation will be an all out war with the usual suspects going high order. They will be aided and abetted by the mainstream media and alarmist blogs and social media. One infuential outlet is The Christain Science Monitor which has a propensity to bombard readers with one-sided reports of newly published studies purporting to support alarmist claims of everything from shrinking polar ice and sea rise to polar bear extinction to increased tornadoes, droughts and other extreme weather events to coral reef die off and on and on. Their go to climate scientist for comment is none other than Michael Mann. I been engaging the editors for almost 2 years trying to get them to return to their usual journalistic standards and at least include in their reports the views of well qualified and experienced climate scientists who challenge the CAGW theory, the climate models and the conclusions of these studies. I have made some progress in tempering their fear mongering headlines, but lately they are ramping up the scare stories. I think if more pressure were brought to bear by someone other than a lowly subscriber, they could be pushed toward more balanced coverage. Let me suggest that you follow the Monitor’s reporting at csmonitor.com and use your platform to address the studies they highlight and the claims made by quoted “scientists”. A letter to the editor (editor@csmonitor.com) would be powerful. Being called out by a widely read source like Wattsupwiththat and by credible people who contribute to your blog and comments on it may well be the key to getting the Monitor to change the balance, tone and perhaps the thrust of their coverage of climate change. Thanks to you and anyone who pitches in on this effort to inject empirical evidence and reason into the public discussion of climate change.
Bad owners=depressed dogs!
Agree, dog behavior reflects the on the owner more than anything else
My dogs are happy as larks.
My dog is affectionate, intelligent, and loyal with a fun sense of humor and delightfully playful. Did I mention his fine memory? And very smart. Oh. I said that already.
#(:))
I may be beating a dead horse here, but I really believe the WUWT site would greatly benefit from a clickable resource page that presents a succinct top ten case against global warming for use by the average Joe and Jill for every day use when confronting or dissuading Warmists.
This would be in the form of one or two easy sentences for each major point followed by a reference that could be used if ever challenged.
JoNova does have something excellent and close to my suggestion here but it becomes more of an education page rather than concise consecutive points useful in cocktail party, water cooler, or other casual situations.
Armed with such an easily accessible tool, so many more skeptics could be turned loose challenging GW believers.
I heartily support this suggestion.
It might include a list of actual temperatures related to the 15 hottest ever years to show the increase was tiny.
Demonstrate how changing the scale and the time period can produce warmist or realist temperature graphs for just 1 degree C rise since 1880.
Past 10,000 years of temperature.
A brief summary of the 97% debunk. Statements by astronauts.
A graph of temperature maxima and minimums separately to show that overnight temperatures are warming because of UHI.
And of course sea temperatures.
And sea level rise.
And whether extreme weather and drought is increasing.
Polar bears.
Al Gore predictions.
Explain differences between satellite and other measures.
This needs to be part of the Trump list.
Try this for starters, but I’m sure it can be improved.
http://www.use-due-diligence-on-climate.org/home/climate-change/summary-of-quick-facts/
Yes, that is very good and worthy of further study by me, and inclusion of some of its points into my document referenced below. But… still needs to be more succinct, for easy memorization, for quick reference at the “water cooler. Or wherever evil must be confronted…
The idea is that one could spout off 10 or more significant points one after another as needed.
The problem remains that most of the provided info is without any attribution. In a top ten list that would be vital should a warmist opponent call BS or disbelief. At least one could reply: “I’ll send you the science tonight. “Hear me now, believe me later.”
Arbeegee
you say “The problem remains that most of the provided info is without any attribution.”
Top of my Quick facts page states –
( For more info, verification & external links; follow the page links )
@1saveenergy: Sorry save, while I truly love your page, as I began to run through your items point-by-point, I found the information that backed most specific points to be of a general nature or missing. If you disagree, later when I have more time, I will specify what I mean. That said, I don’t want to take too much away from that page as it is perhaps the best I’ve seen so far.
I would love a top 10 “arguments”. I have to search and search for something I remember from a year ago. A case in point is Nils-Axel Mörner’s disappearing tree on the Maldives. And the Graph which shows global drought is declining overall, etc.
For ‘Nils-Axel Mörner’s disappearing tree on the Maldives’. See
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/03/19/despite-popular-opinion-and-calls-to-action-the-maldives-is-not-being-overrun-by-sea-level-rise/
I will add it to
http://www.use-due-diligence-on-climate.org/home/climate-change/sea-level-rise/local/maldives-drowning/
“the Graph which shows global drought is declining overall”
Do you mean this one –
http://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=OIP.M7fd57b32772fd9a231192ee7b4473795o0&w=299&h=97&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0&r=0
Suggestions:
1. WUWT Reference Pages tab at top of this page — from the comments here, it appears that some of you have not fully made use of that resource.
2. Articles from WUWT (just a sample):
1) https://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/10/04/detailed-comments-on-an-inconvenient-truth/
(Summary on page 89 of the WUWT 10th Anniversary anthology)
2) https://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/27/lindzen-deconstructing-global-warming/
Sample comment from the accompanying thread:
Klimate Kip:
(https://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/27/lindzen-deconstructing-global-warming/#comment-213167 )
3) https://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/08/01/a-primer-for-disproving-ipcc%E2%80%99s-theory-of-man-made-global-warming-using-observed-temperature-data/
(Summarized in 10th Ann. anthology at 775-76)
4) https://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/11/20/myths-and-facts-about-global-warming/
(Summarized in anthology at 1,624-27)
5) Anthony’s presentation: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/17/my-presentation-at-doctors-for-disaster-preparedness/
6) https://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/06/13/dr-richard-lindzens-talk-at-eike/
7) https://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/02/20/believing-in-six-impossible-things-before-breakfast-and-climate-models/
Best wishes to you all in getting the truth out there!
Janice
Hi Janice. I’ve just scanned your info links above, and while they present a whole range of great info for me to digest, it still is not what WUWT requires, in my vho. As constructive and respectful criticism, first, the information needs to be found as a stand-alone button at the top of page, not requiring a proper site search and evaluation of the returned hits. After all, we are talking about the very nut of what global warming skepticism is all about, and it should be front and centre and totally easy to access.
Second, there should be no preambles or other distracting text included. Just the facts, ma’am. As suggestion, the first sentence would be a bolded bold claim. The second (and maybe third), a modifying or explanatory sentence. The last included item: one or two linked attributions that directly support and reveal the science of the statement made should anyone wish to prove the statement or delve into the item further.
Again, primary here is quick finger tip availability, and easy form for reference and memorization. Further I would rank the points in order of importance or impact. Further, after the Top 10, I would continue with another 10 or 20 similarly presented points for benefit of the truly obsessed skeptic.
Right now this info is scattered throughout a massive site. This list would be dynamic in the sense that rankings or info would change as new science and emphasis comes to light.
These are my considered suggestions and I’m sure there are folks out there who are in better position to sharpen and impove these ideas immeasurably.
While not the same as what I am asking for above, I often send out my 20 page compilation of top anti-GW arguments to the Great Unwashed as necessary. Here are the topics I felt most important. Let me know where you might disagree or I am incorrect.
Climate Change Models Do Not Reflect Empirical (ie: actual real-world) Evidence.
No Significant Temperature Increases For Last 18 Years
CO2 Warming Is Not Occurring
Greenland Ice Cores show CO2 does not cause temperature rises
New OCO2 CO2 Satellite Data Shows Warmth Causes Atmospheric CO2.
CO2 is a Life Sustaining gas and the Earth’s Friend
Global Warming Hurricane Predictions Just Plain Wrong.
Global Warming Has Not Caused Insurance Calamities – Just the Opposite.
The Earth Has Had Much Warmer Periods, Even Relatively Recently
No overall Ice Cap Melting; Antarctic Ice at Record Levels
The Earth Has Been Warming Since the “Little Ice Age” Less Than A Thousand Years Ago
GW Predicted Tropical Hot Spot Just Not There
“Weather” is not Global Warming nor Climate Change
Sun Radiance Is Better Correlated To Warming, Not CO2
Sun Radiance May Point To Global Cooling
Arctic Soot From Asia May Cause Arctic Melting
Warmer Is Better For Earth’s People
Warmists rely on Bad Science (Heat Island Effect)
The “97% Scientific Consensus” Was Manufactured
Warmist Beliefs Rely On Scare tactics (Examples)
Al Gore’s Temperature Hockey Stick Proven Bogus
Global Warming Dollars Prove Irresistible
anybody want to have a go at this? With all the usual frustrations of working in a group!!
A much needed task nonetheless.
clickable resource page: http://www.debunkingclimate.com/climatefacts.html
Jim,
that looks good!! thanks.
Haven’t read yet, but yes, that’s the ticket. WUWT needs its own version of that since this is the Source of all Sources.
Having now skimmed: Wonderful info but, again, not what WUWT needs, imho. The explanations are overly inconsistent in size; often refer directly to the necessity of a link (not useful in an immediate discussion), or include impractical-to-present info such as: “J. Geophys. Rsch., VOL. 110, A08105, doi:10.1029/2004JA010866, 2005”.
Let me add that ranking is important partly because in a discussion, you never know when you might be cut off, so you’d want to hit’em with your best shot.
IMHO, leading with lesser points will each be individually discounted so that an irrefutable total is not built up in a person’s mind. On the other hand, after leading with an irrefutable point, those same lesser points do build a greater total.
SR
Curious that the ocean surface temperature has not been updated. Updates are normally made on Monday and Thursday.
Another curious issue. A few days ago the December 5 ocean surface data was replaced/revised with an image which had been changed to show warming. The next day the warming image was replaced with the original image.
Could just be a technical/computer issue, time will tell.
http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/data/sst/anomaly/2016/anomnight.12.5.2016.gif
It seems to be a technical issue. I make maps daily from the data here, and I’m missing 6 and 7 Dec, though 8 Dec is there.
If Stokes the Stupid is missing it, Dec 6 & 7 are probably cool or average temperature days.
Hey Stokes: what’s the name of the law of thermodynamics for solving the temperature of some gas?
Whenever you learn it tell us. You, all these fake temperature people: what’s the name of the law of thermodynamics, for solving the temperature of some gas?
What’s it’s formula? What’s the factor in the formula you claim alludes to there being a green house Uh…. Uh… Uh.. fect?
Tell it if you know. You don’t.
Neither does that hack Toneb, and he claims to be a retired meteorologist.
For that matter I have never met anyone in my life who
(a) believes in the green house effect
(b) can name the law of thermodynamics for solving the temperature of a volume of gas.
Never.
As many times as I have asked, and I’ve asked every single prominent person who ever told me they believed in it – not one has told me, the correct answer.
I say,
you can’t give it either.
Thanks, Nick.
Nick, do you use ‘raw data’ or just the crap that is fed to you by the ‘Official’ releases.
It may be a technical glitch or more time is needed to “adjust it”. As William Astley said, “Time will tell.”
But my impression of Nick Stokes is not that he would deceive others himself but rather that he is more willing to “give the benefit of doubt” to those who do the adjusting than they deserve.
“Nick, do you use ‘raw data’ or just the crap “
I get my data, in this case, as shown at the link page: NOAA High Resolution SST data provided by the NOAA/OAR/ESRL PSD, Boulder, Colorado, USA, from their Web site at http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/
I believe it is the same data that William Astley showed. It is AVHHR data posted almost in real time (usually).
What data do you use?
“Neither does that hack Toneb, and he claims to be a retired meteorologist.”
Ah, the shouting Sky-dragon slayer again.
If you care to examine the IGL’s.
You will find they do not involve radiation.
You do know that heat moves by 3 methods?
1) Conduction.
2) Convection.
3) Radiation.
Does heat get to Earth from the Sun via 3)?
Are the IGL’s involved?
And how does heat escape Earth?
Answers on a postcard to …
It’s a ‘Technical Issue'(cough),data adjustments take time.
The ‘Raw’ incoming data is never made available to the general public unless you pay ‘Mega Money’ or are part of the Clim-astrology Scam.
Ideal Gas Law @ur momisugly 11:23
Can we please stop with the childish and demeaning name calling (eg. “Stokes the Stupid, etc”).
One of the great things about WUWT is that everyone can have a say and be treated with respect. I certainly do not agree with 99% of what Nick says but please let him have his say and if you want, politely refute his comments. Let’s keep WUWT on a different plane from most of the internet rubbish sites out there.
+ INFINITY Alistair. Applies to all. G, Tb, M, etc. Rude posts cause me to scroll quickly through or move on. Nuff said. (tho sometimes humorous. A slippery slope – tho also humorous.)
Sorry for the driveby.
The cult of CAGW is going to be faced with their worst nightmare.
D. Trump’s Presidential inauguration at the same time at the coldest winter in decades.
The irony will not be lost if there are any CAGW protestors.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/polar-vortex-redux-u-forecasters-could-hit-next-222635826.html
Hi Anthony,
Ellen and I attended Christopher Monckton’s presentation to the Butte County Tea Party on the 5th of December. I commented on the experience at my Sierra Foothill Commentary blog. My post includes a link to a video of his presentation on YouTube. In addition to examining global warming issues, he expounded on UN Agenda 21 and 2030, plus some comments on President Obama’s birth certificate. It was a fascinating talk, full of humor and insight.
https://sierrafoothillcommentary.com/2016/12/06/an-evening-with-lord-monckton/
Must be an interesting travel companion. I’d love to spend an evening over a pint or three discussing things with Lord Monckton – though I’m sure my conversation would eventually roll around to his Hailwood replica Ducati.
Good news for advanced nuclear reactors with Peter Thiel, Paypal owner or something, backing Transatomic Power’s design of the molten salt reactor, biggest advancement in 60 years, and also on Trump transition team as manager or something. Hopefully some paltry few millions will get behind those three companies leading the way into our molten salt energy future – Moltex Energy, Transatomic Power, and Terrestrial Energy and hopfully we will out-design the Chinese crash development program.
That’s what the Chinese are hoping for, we get a good working design so they can rip it off
Trump won’t like that.
Every time someone mentions climate change as a serious concern in pop media I hear the subtext, “Look at how caring I am. Look at how concerned I am for the future. Look at how I’m engaged with weighty, important matters. Look at how I am recognizing the importance of science.”
and the opposite. You don’t “believe” in CAGW so you don’t want clean air, clean water, and don’t care about the lives of others, especially children and grand children. Clutching to pearls with mouth agape…shame!
Yeah… it’s as if “you are dealing not at all with them as individuals, but with slogans, catchwords, and the like that have taken possession of them”.
“World peace, Bob.”
On the Solar pages in Resource pages on the Neutron Monitor graphs toward the bottom of the page (Newark DE, McMurdo, Thule, Fort Smith, Inuvik) please change the links to .png file extension rather than .gif The.gif files have not been updated since last year, the .png files are current. For example:
http://neutronm.bartol.udel.edu/~pyle/theinplot2.gif becomes http://neutronm.bartol.udel.edu/~pyle/TheINplot2.png
Get a load of this bull dung:
Joe Biden: World needs Canada ‘very badly’
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38268887
“Biden told an audience in Ottawa that the world needs “genuine leaders” such as Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.”
Perhaps that’s why Biden didn’t run.
Justin was clever enough to drop one pipeline application while approving a major KM pipeline expansion of greater capacity. I said clever not smart.
Trudeau had accolades for Castro and admires the government of Chana for getting things done. This is the snowflake we have to deal with up here in Canada. He is also bringing us a national carbon tax.
John
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2016/12/say-it-isnt-so-19.html
And comments for full local flavour!
Hi Anthony,
Ellen and I attended Christopher Monckton’s presentation to the Butte County Tea Party on the 5th of December. I commented on the experience at my Sierra Foothill Commentary blog. My post includes a link to a video of his presentation on YouTube. In addition to examining global warming issues, he expounded on UN Agenda 21 and 2030. It was a fascinating talk, full of humor and insight.
https://sierrafoothillcommentary.com/2016/12/06/an-evening-with-lord-monckton/