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Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Political activist Laura Schmidt has created the “Good Grief” support group, to help depressed eco-activists work through their climate grief.
Sad about climate change? There’s a support group for that.
A new program, reflecting lessons from Alcoholics Anonymous, aims to help people work through their grief about climate change. The first step: Admit we have a problem.
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The gathering is the brainchild of Laura Schmidt, who described the meeting in a recent Skype interview. Schmidt’s day job at HEAL Utah is to rally others to support clean air legislation in the state. By night, she’s been organizing this monthly “Good Grief” group, which focuses on working through heavy feelings about difficult societal problems, especially climate change.
There’s no clinical definition for “climate grief,” but for Schmidt, “It’s that feeling at the pit of your stomach when you realize that people – probably even the ones we love – and wildlife will suffer as the impacts of climate change become more prevalent. It’s the ache we feel when we see how non-existent or slow ‘progress’ to combat warming is.”
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A master plan to cope with climate grief
Two years ago, while pursuing a master’s degree in environmental humanities at the University of Utah, Schmidt set out to answer a question: “How do we create resilient humans?” She says she wanted to understand how people could become better able to keep up the difficult fight to address climate change.
To answer her question, she interviewed people who spend a lot of time focused on the subject, such as climate scientists and activists. She says she hoped to find out what sustains those people in what can seem like an uphill battle.
Through conversations with the likes of author-activist Terry Tempest Williams and 350.org founder Bill McKibben, Schmidt says she discovered clear themes. The people she spoke with seemed unafraid to say they felt sad or mad or angry. They also drew strength and joy from a strong connection to the natural world. And they had a community they turned to for support.
“When things got really depressing for them, they could take a break and let their community care for them a little bit – and then go back out and fight or talk about climate change,” she says.
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8. Look for beauty and meaning. Some stories from the Holocaust suggest that finding even the smallest examples of beauty, like a tiny flower in otherwise barren earth, can give people something to hold on to, even through horror, Schmidt says. She points to science that suggests different parts of the brain are responsible for triggering different responses: the reptilian part of the brain, which causes flight-or-fight fear responses, or the mammalian brain, which is what urges us to look more deeply at any given situation. “What’s cool about brain science,” she says, “is that with practices like meditation, we get to choose what part of our brain responds to these threats.”
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Read more: http://www.yaleclimateconnections.org/2016/11/climate-change-support-group-launches/
The reference to the Holocaust IMO is outrageous – comparing self indulgent climate angst to the hideous mental torment endured by the survivors of a brutal programme of mass extermination insults the memory of the victims of national socialism.
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“… she interviewed people who spend a lot of time focused on the subject, such as climate scientists and activists.”
Talk about living in a bubble. Those are the folks who get all of the financial and political support. The people who suffer and struggle are those who believe that science requires skepticism and critical thinking. Too bad she didn’t interview them!
“… like a tiny flower in otherwise barren earth.”
If Ms. Schmidt didn’t live in a desert devoid of critical thinking, she would know that the increased CO2 in our atmosphere of late has created a vibrant biosphere, with significantly more plants and and flowers than decades before.
The first step: Admit we have a problem.
LOL…. Is that guy’s name Gavin? Because he seems to have schmadt himself.
Just confirms what I’ve been saying for years – these alarmists are in need of some serious therapy!
My suggestion? Man up to natural climate variability and stop scaring children and the vulnerable with your doomsday religion.
Well if they would stop their lying pretence that a colourless, odourless, non toxic gas was “dirty”, they would find that they are strongly supported by most climate “deenyerz” and even Donald Trump in the campaign for clean air.
I suppose at least their admission that they need help is a good sign. As any shrink will tell you, the patient has to want to change …
Maybe we should set up an AA like chapter to help them get over “Alarmism”.
@ur momisugly old construction worker, “There is gold in them thar hills!”.
Yeah, but I just can’t keep a straight face while collecting it.
For further information on supporting a loved one in the throes of climate trauma, see this discussion.
I clicked on the link, Brad, and then on “question for deniers” just out of curiosity.
Good Grief!
But who is “Ken” who replied to the question? Good reply.
Oldseadog,
I don’t know who “Ken” is, but I know who “Ken” isn’t: “Ken” isn’t “Ken Rice,” a.k.a. ATTP, the prominent bioastrologist and complete and utter science-misunderstander, in case you were wondering.
(As you know, I don’t normally post humorous links, but that one in the previous sentence was so hilarious you’ll schmidt your breeches. ATTP doesn’t know the FIRST THING about science!!)
I also looked at “Question for deniers’ and had to chuckle at the message in the first 2 semetences:
For once Lew is right about climate science.
Note the first 2 sentences in “question for deniers”:
For once, Lew is right about climate ‘science’.
Brad:
It could be the inadequate attp…
Who knows what he is like when he is in his right mind?
Why does attp always remind me of “The Hobbit”, when Bilbo is distracting the spiders? attacrop attacrop
“How bad does the science have to get before we do something to stop it?”
Does he mean how bad does the science have to be before we stop with the bad science, or how bad do the predictions have to get before we do something to try and counteract the predicted negative outcome?
Most people who talk about having read the IPCC report, have actually only read the Summary for Policy Makers. Which was written by politicians for politicians and was actually written before the chapters that it allegedly summarizes were finished.
Dang, I replied to Brad but used the “D” word so the reply hasn’t appeared.
But click the links.
OldSeaDog, try using ‘denihilist’ or ‘negator’
Is it supposed to be ironic? I can’t tell. The jokes or puns aren’t clear enough.
Peter Morris,
I apologize—you’re not the first person to suspect I was taking the mickey when in fact I was speaking in deadly earnest, as I always do. The only “ironic” thing is that I’m about the most humorless guy you’ll ever meet, so it’s hilarious that so many people mistake my literal seriousness for some kind of tongue-in-cheek self-reflexive meta-commentary tone.
To help disambiguate and emphasize the non-facetiousness of the post, I’ve added some visual aids.
Lol! That’s pretty good. We’ve needed some dry wit in the climate arena.
Brad, the trouble with your web site is that it reads so much like “ScienceofDoom”, SkepticalScience” or “Tamino’s Open Mind”. 😉
I could only stomach reading two posts. That has to be the sickest, slavish, warmist, propaganda that I have ever seen. If there is ever a site that deserves Angela Merkel’s censorship, this is it.
“I could only stomach reading two posts.”
Pro Tip: try using a higher organ. (I hear good things about the brain.)
“That has to be the sickest, slavish, warmist, propaganda that I have ever seen. ”
Surely you mean slavishest, warmistest, etc.?
Anyway, thanks for accusing my blog of being superlative.
” If there is ever a site that deserves Angela Merkel’s censorship, this is it.”
As one of Ms Merkel’s advisors on free-speech issues, no compliment could be more flattering. Thank you Hivemind! Nonetheless, I do use the same blueprint I presented to Ms Merkel myself, as I hope you can appreciate from the cleanness of my comments sections.
Please write to me at climatenuremberg dot com if you notice any anti-scientific Seepage below the line, however. We rely on community tipoffs to enable us to live up to our tagline:
100 Percent Science, Zero Percent Skepticism
No, Merkel would never censor something so inane and inaccurate–she’s only into throttling the truth when it exposes her UN-centric propaganda.
Brad Keyes:
If this is not sarcasm, it is the most inane statement I have seen in a while.
Do you not see that this statement contradicts itself?
Science IS skepticism.
You sir, are no scientist.
I will deem all your comments here “estupido” unless you show otherwise.
( Nah, I’ll just won’t read them.)
RobRoy,
Αἴκα. 🙂
(Because science is 72% Laconicism.)
With “100% science, zero percent skepticism,” every great scientist in history is cringing from the grave. Anyone with any background whatsoever in actual science knows, as Einstein said, that “No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong.” It would have vastly been more accurate to say, “True science is 100% skepticism.” Wholly “science denial,” Batman!
Brad,
Never looked at your site before until now. What garbage.
In your tagline you claim, “100 Percent Science, Zero Percent Skepticism.”
That is propaganda and Cargo Cult Science exactly as Dr Feynman described. Without skepticism, an investigator is not a scientitist, but merely an advocate for a belief.
Enjoy your new Left religion.
Randy Stubbings,
thanks for your frank criticism.
I’d be very grateful if you could advise which of these alternate taglines, in your expectation, would cause the lowest percentage of great scientists to cringe from the grave:
CLIMATE NUREMBERG: Musings from Germany on Climate, Science and Climate Science
CLIMATE NUREMBERG: Because “Dissent is the highest form of treason” [N. Oreskes]
CLIMATE NUREMBERG: Rave, Rave Against the Lying of the Right!
CLIMATE NUREMBERG: Tough on Climate, Tough on the Causes of Climate.
CLIMATE NUREMBERG: Bringing you Anagrams of “Guilt Remembrance” since 2013
CLIMATE NUREMBERG: Fear Uncertainty and Doubt.
Thanks again. Brad
joelobryan,
Even though I think that site is brilliant I’d like to thank you for being the first person to take it at face value, literally and seriously—NOT as some kind of satire or parody, as most participants in this thread seem to be insinuating it is.
You may disagree fundamentally with my jokes, but at least you have the decency not to laugh at them. If only everyone would disagree as respectfully, politely and humorlessly as you, sir.
Brad, I thought I was slow, but there are people here who seem to apparently believe Climate Nuremberg is a pro-AGW site, and not a scathing, hilarious take down of the climate consensus. Thanks for shredding the climate kooks so well. And thanks for challenging skeptics to retain that vital sense, one’s sense of humor.
Brad, your humour is too subtle for some .:-)
Next time.. use a sledge hammer.!
Brad,
Some people have no sense of humor whatsoever. You’d think that using something so over the top as “100 Percent Science, Zero Percent Skepticism” or “Because “Dissent is the highest form of treason” would be pretty big clue.
I think it’s because many fellow skeptics a just too serious and the fact that actual alarmists are in fact almost (but not quite) talk like that.
Anyway, yours is the funniest site I’ve read in a long while. It’s my new favorite, right next to Mark Steyn.
Thank you for that.
It’s only because of inspirational guidance such as that website that I’m able to face the day without climate change-related suicidal ideation.
My pleasure John.
Remember, suicide is never the answer to the climate problem. It’s just the lazy way out. Climate change requires action, bold action, on the part of all mankind, if we ever hope to put a stop to the activities of humans in time to avoid the worst effects of our carbon spewings.
Suicide merely solves the bigger problem—overpopulation, which scientists increasingly fear will make climate change (which is Hitler in this analogy, only with three balls) look like Mussolini suffering total cryptorchidism.
Overpopulation is like climate change’s ugly friend. According to the latest scientists, unless we achieve drastic population cuts within a decade, people are going to start dying. A lot of people.
Pro tip – do NOT read Brad’s link if you are in an environment where laughter (or loud choking noises from suppressed laughter) would be frowned upon. Thankfully, I was in my bedroom when I started reading, and only moderately disturbed my family (who were in the living room).
WOWEEEEE, …….. this is some serious stuff that needs to be learnt by everyone who Brad Keyes thinks will be or are planning on supporting a loved one who has been or might be ….. suffering throes of climate trauma, ….. to wit:
Environmental Humanities is a subset of GroupThink that enables the Climate Hustle to continue. They train uncritically to become propagandists for guys like Tom Steyer and George Soros.
And when someone like President Trump comes along, all they can do is soil themselves and their bedsheets. Telling them to “Buck-up” doesn’t work, as they themselves admit, because their minds are closed. Products of a Modern Liberal education.
And I thought a degree in Art History was a sure way to a dead end career: “Welcome to the Environmental Humanities Graduate Program at the University of Utah — a masters degree preparing students for careers as environmental leaders and thinkers”. http://environmental-humanities.utah.edu/
Ms Schmidt is a graduate of the this program where in their historic sandstone building – “flush against the Wasatch mountains — a community of learners and thinkers trains to lead the next generation of environmental journals, non-profits, academic programs and government agencies. These are carefully educated, well-connected change-agents. They are versed in creative expression, ethics, literature, language and history. Atop all this, we immerse our minds in this glorious western landscape through field study, research opportunities and extended time at our ranch in the 300,000 acre Centennial Valley.”
Only in academia would someone think there is any call for change-agents well versed in creative expression, ethics, literature, language and history at government agencies. Imagine the graduate of an automotive humanities program at the DMV.
Jeffrey M. McCarthy, Ph.D. Director of the Environmental Humanities Graduate Program goes on to say “Utah alumnus Wallace Stegner called our west “the native home of hope” and said we have “a chance to create a society to match its scenery”. Well, I hope that now is the time for the environmental humanities to govern the unfolding collision between human necessity and natural limits. This is the work that needs to be done and the University of Utah’s Environmental Humanities Program is the west’s best chance for doing it. This program integrates our need to know with our desire to act. The Environmental Humanities Graduate Program aims to produce an interdisciplinary, intellectual, and creative space in which we are prepared: to reflect on what it means to be “human” in a world of entangled human and animal presences; to encourage creative and collaborative exchanges both inside and outside the classroom; and to think in a forward fashion both about new forms of environmental leadership and stewardship, and about the intersection of ecology and environmental justice.”
These people seem to relish portraying themselves as victims. Now all we need is a victimizing agent, preferably one created by our political enemies so we get twice the mileage from our hatred.
Sometimes I think we need to re-institute the Military Draft and put these “kids” through basic training preferably at Paris Island (men and women) and give them a real taste of what life is all about with a tough drill Sg. Then they will grow up!
Easy, Cc, forcing anything on them would just be doing what they wish to do to us. Perhaps wish for subliminal deprogramming through the same media that programmed them in the first place.
unfortunately, Catcracking, basic training doesn’t work like that any more. Recruits are now issued “timeout” cards which they can wave at the DI if feeling they are being abused, or overworked. I suspect they will soon have safe spaces equipped with playdoh and lollipops.
Is this, ……. to wit:
“Recruits are now issued “timeout” cards which they can wave at the DI if feeling they are being abused, or overworked.”
A precursor, …… to this, ….. to wit:
The site is a joke, right Brad?
Spoiler alert:
Blogs and their attendant comment blocks can be strange and terrible things. Just read a Guardian.com comment block if you don’t believe me. If you’re really not sure, read a Yahoo news comment block on any story involving Trump, which is most of them. Is ClimateNuremburg.com a joke? Well, no! It’s more ironic, sarcastic, parody and mocking than a mere joke could ever be. The sarcasm and mocking goes on for so long and is so brilliantly written, that one can easily be sucked into thinking “no one would write this volume of material if he weren’t being in full earnest.” Unfortunately, one would be wrong, and just when I thought I’d never be a noob, again, here I am, adding to my list of must visit daily blog bookmarks.
Here’s a small sample, from a recent post about the recent pause-busting El Nino temp. spike, from: https://climatenuremberg.com/2016/11/25/breaking-deniers-finally-admit-pause-in-pause-is-real/:
Funny stuff. Reporting live from the deni[h]alist flatearthosphere, this is your humble reporter, Mickey Reno.
Brad: Wonderful examples of “What Lysenko Spawned.” (rearrange the letters to make the name of a prominent personage in climatastrophe studies.)
Venerable Jorge,
thank you. It’s refreshing to meet a fellow aesthete who appreciates the timeless magnificence of the male body in motion. Professor Lewandowsky is, in that department, truly the GIF that keeps on giving.
Talking of “studies”…
“while pursuing a master’s degree in environmental humanities” (in the article).
What on Good Gaia are “environmental humanities”?
Brad I linked to that and the “nuremburg” thingy. how did this guy get a degree of any kind. Amazing, these scammers just make it up as they go along but thanks for the link, I did need a laugh, just as I thought you couldn’t make up more BS you had to find that!
I know. It’s beyond parody! Almost.
Yes, it is very good to see them in grief for their FAILING religion.
I spent twenty years in the 70s and 80s feeling guilty for mowing my lawn, chainsawing excess tree growth, and using motorboats. Finally, in the course of my education I learned enough to start to question the situation. Global warming had been a news item for many years but I finally realized that such claims had to be based on some sort of measurements. By 2000, I started actually looking things up and delving into the basis of their global warming claims. I have now been examining all claims of global warming and its effects for over 10 years and the reason I never found any evidence of global warming effects was that we really have not been warming for over 20 years, more like 29 years (1988).
I find it ludicrous that warmists need support groups for the threats to their pathetically tenuous understanding of the world. Send them back to a real school. Stop coddling people who have not realized that they need to think of themselves as adults. Even so, the likelihood is that as adults they will still be pablum in society.
I never felt guilty mowing my lawn or chainsawing whatever! Two of my favorite activities!!
Higley, That’s very close to the pattern of my own transition but I even went through the mindlessly insight-less phase of even assisting the green party in elections (door-knocking and the like…I shudder at how ignorant I must have looked now, ah well) and choosing to not own a car for 10 years and very very rarely flying anywhere.
I’m completely disillusioned now mind you….and I forgive myself which is important.
Even drive a ludicrously overpowered supercharged V8 now by way of penance….Bliss.
Oops….
And they say we need psychiatric help!!!
….and yet, as soon as someone like Stephan Lewandowsky goes out of his way to help you understand the cognitive disease at the root of your mistaken worldview, pro bono no less, how do you and your ilk repay his time, effort and clinical expertise?
By tearing his research a new perineum and forcing him into the humiliating position of having to deny it’s been retracted.
And your ilk wonders why so few, if any, reputable psychologists are clamoring to follow Lewandowsky’s example? After you beat and robbed the last good Samaritan who tried to medicalize you?
Congratulations, ilk. Keep it up, and before you know it there’ll be no half-serious scholars left who are willing to pathologize, diagnose and treat climate skepticism. Quite frankly it couldn’t happen to a more deserving ilk.
Sorry, folks, but I just don’t come here often enough to recognize the comment authors. Brad, is there a /sarc tag missing from your posts?
John,
if I ever write with my tongue out of my cheek and I want to be read literally (for whatever reason), I have a special tag to alert people that a particular comment should be taken at face value, without a grain of salt.
For example, if there are Americans present and I don’t want to break anyone’s brain with irony.
But as I said, it’s rare. By default, you should assume I don’t mean what I say. (Basic netiquette.)
/unsarc
Brad Keyes,
It’s too early. I’ve no idea how I got into the comments of this thread, let alone at my desk, but that tagline was a good jolt; 100 Percent Science, Zero Percent Skepticism . I’m jonesin’ for coffee and the kettle is sounding off, so the new CN bookmark for my morning read will have to wait.
“Cognitive disease at the root of your worldview.”
Nothing like stringing together meaningless phrases and avoiding the subject at hand. Global warming hysterics NEVER debate the issue, they only can verbally (never physically, of course)
assault with ad hominems. Science is about theories, not the bathroom habits of those who advance them, or who paid them to create them. The arguments that global warmists have advanced have been shown severely wanting. The most common reason that more or less intelligent folk commit gigantic errors is because they cling to their assumptions. In this case, for those who know basically nothing about climate, and we can include those who have produced all of those climate computer models which have failed so miserably, the assumption is simple enough – CO2 is a greenhouse gas, we are producing more of it, so , voila!, global warming. Unfortunately,
or not, those fact gets you nowhere near climate armegeddon, despite the vivid doomsday imaginations of some of our more anal global warming extremists running around. I note that global warmists aren’t above completely misrepresenting the views of their opponents, who they attempt to demonize as “bad people.” They don’t seem to realize that people who are mentally alert have to be convinced by arguments and evidence. Calling people names shows the person to be anything but the scientific type. And including politics into the mix simply gives the observer more reason to disregard their tales of doom. I spent a career in two undergrad universities and two graduate universities in two scientific disciplines and I know what constitutes science. Brad’s argments are not in the realm of scientific discourse. He creates mostly non-existent straw men to argue against. Men who totally reject any man-made global warming component. I have yet to encounter such a person in the form of a skeptical scientist. Why I find global warming extremist argument so irrelevant is that they deny the concept of low or moderate global warming that threatens nobody, and go further by denial of the rather obvious revolutionary new non-carbon nuclear technologies close at hand. So I consider them ignorant on two fronts – the issue it self, and its “solution.” The last ignorance is the biggest mystery.Perhaps they reject technological salvation because they don’t actually WANT any salvation – that would rob their lives of their only significance. To remain in a heroic mode, they would have to do something more heroic than errecting websites and manufacturing scare stories and misinformation. Which seems to be Brad’s stock in trade.
Thanks for the clarification, Brad.
Your writing is very believable as coming from the bed-wetter side of the debate. Have you ever tried posting something like your 3:22AM post on an alarmist site? I think you’ll come away a rock star.
Keyes trotting out Lewandowsky as an exemplar of academic excellence is bizarre to say the least. We may be “ilk” but Keyes is beneath contempt. The only sane strategy is to simply ignore him.
welcome back Brad I for one missed you and really am enjoying this :>}
Robert Austin
Thank you for saying so, Robert. All too many people on this thread have been treating my comments as some kind of joke. As a satirist, I can’t tell you how much that hurts. How would you like it if you spent minutes intricately crafting a parody of some risible ideology, only to have people laught at it?
You have earned my undying respect as an adversary by having the decency to ignore (rather than get a chuckle out of) my comments. A Merry Christmas to you and your ilk! Good day sir!
Wow! Brad you’re an Oracle of Irony on steroids. Pleased to meet you, even though you rolled this country boy’s mental Jeep.
Brad-san: May I cavil or carp just sufficiently to point out that you’ve misspelt pro bozo in your comment, above.
It takes staggering arrogance and self-delusion for Lewandowsky to claim that I have a disease because I don’t agree with his views. Brad, have you ever read anything about the history of science? For example, in the late 1800s, physics professors were telling students to study other subjects because physics was completely settled. Of course, after that we only got quantum mechanics, relativity, computers, cell phones, airplanes, rockets, robots, … Is any part of your particular brand of “100% science” aware of the natural variation in Earth’s climate over the last 500 million years? Judging by your posts, your mind is so closed it couldn’t be pried open with a crowbar.
Randy…….Brad is writing satire. He is making fun of the believers. Please don’t lose the ability to laugh…. Humorectomies are tragic procedures….
Yes. This one time, I read something about it.
Ha! The fools. But then, hindsight is 20/20 and in their defense, they were just physicists; unlike climatologists, people who’ve studied physics don’t make their living accurately predicting the future.
Climate profs would never advise their students to consider other careers. Not during this golden age for climate science. To quote an interview with Prof. Andy Pitman,
Randy, meet Brad
https://andthentheresphysics.wordpress.com/2014/01/26/expertise/#comment-12819
Having had more time…. I see, said the blind man.
David some time a go they used to have institutions for people with mental problems. Nowadays they call them universities and the patients are running them
You are right, the reference to the Holocaust is beyond anything.
And I wonder who she interviewed of the climate scientists and activists who read and post here?
The mentals…it hurts us!
It is the unwritten harm caused by this movement. There are many people who have profound obsession and depression about it. Without understanding that the weather outside is the same as it has always been.
This is the weather at Bill McKibben’s home town in Vermont over the past year with the historic weather averages in comparison. I wonder how he felt going to work on Feb 14 this year when the temp was -28.0C. Weird weather? Global Warming? The planet is on fire? I am so depressed?
Every place on the planet has this same chart. The same type of natural variability from day to day. Somehow it is 1.0C warmer. Somehow that matters because you should not be able to tell the difference and the plants and animals should not either.
Here is 1949 for the same place. Notice the difference. All none of it.
Sorry, 1949.
“Notice the difference. All none of it.”
Did the whole world have a good time on Friday night?
This thread is a tonic.
1949 was a bit before my time, but here’s the data for the state of Vermont since 1960. http://vtclimate.org/vts-changing-climate/
It’s warmer, and the effects on seasonality are easily apparent to most of us who live here, as well as to the meteorologists charting frost free dates. One of the most obvious effects has been on ice on Lake Champlain, which used to freeze over regularly, and now does so much less often https://www.lakechamplaincommittee.org/lcc-at-work/global-warming-lake-champlain/
However, there’s a beautiful snow falling today, a Currier and Ives scene out the window.
Hey Bill McKibben,
You must be reminiscing about the 60’s and 70’s coming Ice Age.
Here, read this.
http://i63.tinypic.com/ricltj.jpg
I just gotta laugh at your willful ignorance of even recent history.
@ur momisugly Joelobryan,
“I just gotta laugh at your willful ignorance of even recent history.”
I’m not sure “ignorance” is the proper term to describe Bill McKibben in this thread. I think a better term would be “denial”.
Bill: Please send some of that frost-freeness to Wyoming. It froze in August the last two years and it’s wreaking havoc with my gardening.
Reckon you can gather up all of your prescious climate snowflakes and protect them in your frigid Vermont safespace?
Assuming that this is in response to the real Bill….Bill, no climate harm, no climate crisis, nothing except your cynical rent seeking by using tactics that would win the admiration of a televangelist. At least few televangelists are seeking to silence their opponents. You and your fellow climate hustlers are seeking to silence us. You cowardly twit. You lied about being a Native American, and you lie about climate. You post freely uere, but none of the astroturf sites your pals run have the guts to let cynics post.
Bill McKibben,
You must be referring to the 60’s and 70’s when “scientists” were shrieking about the coming Ice Age.
Enjoy this nice essay from a 1975 Newsweek magazine.
http://www.denisdutton.com/newsweek_coolingworld.pdf
And most especially read the last paragrapgh of that essay!!
And remember, they were totally, stone-cold (pun intended) serious about this belief, just as you and your fellow bedwetter AGW alarmists are today.
My apologies for going OT. Just want to do a shout out to a poster on this site that mentioned Square Foot Gardening which brought it to my attention. I am sure it was part of a comment about the impact of Climate Change on agriculture/gardening. Bought the book and built the boxes and now have a ongoing supply of veggies. Have wanted a low maintenance garden since leaving the farm back in Kansas. Many Thanks!! Loving it!
Now back to our regularly scheduled programming…
That might have been me! I’m a certified SFG Instructor with an immense interest in weather/climate issues.
Donna, Link me up please. I am getting older and the 6000 sq foot garden is getting a little hard to dig over in the Spring! (Thank god my wife is starting to grow flowers in parts of them!)
AussieBear, my e-mail is dkb7133@bendbroadband.com. The SFG website is http://www.squarefootgardening.org.
“The reference to the Holocaust IMO is outrageous”
I agree. This is disgraceful. These neurotic people need to seriously wake up and stop behaving like children
They are behaving like children because they are children…
In July I published “Denier Pride”, which can be Googled.
Bob Hoye
“Brainchild” and “environmental humanities”. Now there’s a couple of oxymorons.
How to create “resilient people”? How arrogant and ignorant! Creation has already been done. The most this person can do is to influence people a bit, whether for good or ill she cannot tell.
Humans have always been resilient, otherwise we wouldn’t have survived.
It is precisely the relentlessly infantilising Green/Left that has created the first generation of non-resilient people, who burst into tears on seeing a photograph of a polar bear, or if an election or a referendum throws up a decision they don’t like.
Ha, this is all part of the hoax. Socialists might be bleeding heart warmunists but they aren’t stupid. This sort of fake site is put up just muddy the waters. Typical watermelons. http://www.scamdetector.info/
Since you linked to it Tony, I’ll be sure to put it on my trusted site list.
Or not.
Many who comment at this site have been through the hostility of being identified as a politically incorrect d——- . In my case it has been going on for more than a decade, and in some cases involved people who I otherwise found kind and relatively sane. Initially there was no “support group”, and Skeptics had to stand by Truth alone, because they possessed a thing called “Character”. Then, gradually, they began to find others who shared their ideas, on the web. I still remember my delight, when I found the Climate Audit site. Then I found this site because the Climate Audit site crashed, when it was overwhelmed by viewers after it was mentioned by Rush Limbaugh in 2007.
https://climateaudit.org/2007/08/08/a-new-leaderboard-at-the-us-open/
Since 2007 WUWT has been a “support group” for me, and I have at times been carefully introspective, because a support group can support bad behavior, as well as good behavior. (For example, before I quit I used to be in a sort of “support group” for smokers, who felt picked on.) A support group can be little more than an echo chamber of parrots, if one is not careful.
WUWT is a better sort of support group because, when one is wrong, people tell you so. Sometimes they are polite, and sometimes not so polite. Usually they supply facts and figures.
I used to visit Alarmist sites to become embroiled in interesting debates, where I’d hear new ideas and receive new facts and figures. However over the past decade I witnessed a change from facts and figures to name-calling, at many sites. There was a deterioration in the level of the debate, because, to be blunt, the Alarmists were out-argued in many areas.
Eventually Truth wins. Then one sees a new sort of support group. It is a support group for sore losers. It will only be beneficial if the losers do something we all must do, from time to time, in life: Get over it.
Very good insights here. One note, though — “sore losers” may be an apt term for the warmist propagandists, but not for their victims. As you observe, these are often fine people — they just lack the understanding and/or the skeptical streak that you need in order to inure yourself to the relentless propaganda of doom.
Comparing the “climate angst” to the Nazi terror may seem shocking. However, the (predictable) outrage misses the point — we are hearing from victims of the propaganda, not from its originators. The danger itself is fictitious, but the despair caused by the propaganda is real. People like Ms. Schmidt deserve pity, not anger.
I agree. I know teachers who have taught climate alarm for years, simply because they are told it is truth. They are amazed I argue with their textbooks. I imagine they could become pretty angry when they discover they were misinformed, and were put in the position of teaching falsehood to innocent children.
Caleb, spot on. Yesterday I “cracked open” one of the current textbooks, and it contained misinformation about water vapor.
Thanks for that Caleb, i have felt much the same way. I am currently trying to talk some sense into my kids After my initial “Warmist” standpoint ( the one I had and they grew up with) now seeing me change my mind,
Their ( so far) answer is: But Daddy you told us…
And I say, ” sorry kids I was wrong to teach you the wrong thing”, they are coming around.
Imagine the therapy they’ll need when they find out its all bs.
We must make sure they all do find out just how badly they have been misinformed, how disingenuous are the motives of those who have lied to them, and what the actual truth is.
The only permanent cure for climate alarmist hysteria is information.
The effects of all of those years of propaganda and brainwashing will not be undone without a concerted effort to do so. We have millions of children who have been lied to since they began their education, and many of them have never been taught the first thing about how to think critically, only to believe what they have been force fed every day for years on end.
They should be angry when they find out the truth.
We need to count on that anger as an important part of their deprogramming.
WTF is “Environmental Humanities”?
If she doesn’t complete that worthless Masters the world won’t notice at all.
What a waste of space.
I believe “environmental humanities” was previously known as sewage engineering.
Nope; absolutely no engineering involved at all. I think what you meant was “sewage appreciation”.
Basket weaving
Sewers are not easy to engineer, and if they don’t work one faces a big stink. Environmental Humanities are a big stink one can easily engineer, because you just make it up as you go. It is akin to the History of the history of the history of the psychology of pseudo-scientific dream-interpretation.
No, even sewage engineering has a useful function, to get rid is the stuff from people who believe in environmental humanities.
But wastewater engineering is a real thing, not sophistry-fabricated alarmist nonsense.
Alan, Alan, Alan! “Sewage appreciation.” What a marvelous grasp of academia!
She is now fully qualified for a support – welfare.
An advanced degree in “Environmental Humanities” is a prerequisite for a career as a barista.
Those people will get jobs, Taphonomic. Companies and cities now have sustainability offices and officers. Here’s the University of Utah’s.
Their standard text, Environmental Science is nothing more than simplistic ideas qualitatively presented. It is hortatory rather than analytical, and is as close to science as it gets for them. Graduates have a framework for Ehrlichian criticism but are completely unequipped for critical thinking.
Sustainability office-holders have degrees similar to Laura Schmidt’s; degrees that leave one innumerate. Their job is to inspect projects for environmentalist criteria. All of it is ideological; none of it is cost-benefit. It’s pretty scary because they’re taken seriously. Plus they’re well-paid.
Presently our society is rich enough to support these (non/anti)-productive people. Eventually, if they multiply, it will not remain so.
She attempts to equate her fatuous rubbish with alcolholism.
I have a family member who is alcoholic. it is truly awful for her and our family.
How dare this idiot Ms Schmidt compare such a chronic condition to her climate witterings? Is she on twitter? If so, I think I need to give her a quick schooling about the difference between genuine and made-up problems.
Climate extremism is an addiction. But her group is embracing and acting out on their addiction, not fighting their climate obsession. Think of AA members going to a happy hour for their meetings. Schmidt is taking the honorable ideas of AA, and in the climate extremist manner getting it completely backwards.
Yes, it certainly is an addiction, Hunter. It’s adrenaline addiction, similar to rageaholics, combined with a Messiah Complex to produce a pernicious condition that merits a complete page in DSM-6.
Small wonder that they get it all backwards. Schmidt, above, states, “The first step: Admit we have a problem.” If she had more than a passing acquaintance with Alcoholics Anonymous, she’d know that the First Step is actually: “We admitted we were powerless over alcohol – that our lives had become unmanageable.”
But self-anointed messiahs typically aren’t willing to admit they’re powerless over anything. Few, likely none, of them have the necessary humility to do so. They feel powerful in their spittle-spewing rages, and they lust after more power, the ability to actualize their self-will, including the dark desires revealed in the sick 10-10 “No Pressure” video.
This does not rule out the possibility that dipsomania also plays a significant part in climate mania. AA is a TWELVE step program, and if Schmidt truly wants to help her fellow victims, she should employ all 12 steps in her program, instead of her limp 9-step version, the last of which states: “9. Reinvest in the work,” thus undoing any beneficial effects of the other 8.
In the “About Us” section, the first sentence reads:
“Yale Climate Connections is a nonpartisan…”
It was all downhill after that.
Just tweeted Terry Tempest Williams to give her the benefit of my thoughts about that idiot Schmidt appropriating the awful problem of alcoholism with her climate grief twaddle.
Be interesting to see if the daft hippy replies to my tweet.
Good grief indeed.
Mark
minimalistlifestyle.wordpress.com
That’s gotta be satire.
“A ‘Perverse’ Effect Of ‘Actively Open-Minded Thinking’”
http://www.thegwpf.com/new-paper-climate-scepticism-is-a-perverse-effect-of-actively-open-minded-thinking/
It’s actually not the fear of global warming that traumatises warmists it’s the fear that they may be wrong that depresses them. They need Devastation from a hurricane or fire or heat wave to cheer themselves up. unfortunate Mother Nature just won’t play ball.
Exactly. They are sad we are not all going to die.
Then the word of the Lord came to Jonah a second time: “Go to the great city of Nineveh and proclaim to it the message I give you” Jonah obeyed the word of the Lord and went to Nineveh. Now Nineveh was a very large city; it took three days to go through it. Jonah began by going a day’s journey into the city, proclaiming, “Forty more days and Nineveh will be overthrown.” The Ninevites believed God. A fast was proclaimed, and all of them, from the greatest to the least, put on sackcloth. (….).When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he relented and did not bring on them the destruction he had threatened. But to Jonah this seemed very wrong, and he became angry. He prayed to the Lord, “Isn’t this what I said, Lord, when I was still at home? That is what I tried to forestall by fleeing to Tarshish. I knew that you are a gracious and compassionate God, slow to anger and abounding in love, a God who relents from sending calamity. Now, Lord, take away my life, for it is better for me to die than to live.”
Mindert Eiting —
I have translated The Book Of Jonah and it is basically a comedy written by Christian Hebrews..Jonah is a comedic character. Like Shakespeare’s dialect jokes Jonah gets tossed into the sea because he says one thing and the sailors think he has said something else. Nineveh was a large city to which its rulers brought all the gods of their subjects. The three days refers to the time it took to do a pilgrimage to all the temples. Jonah goes to all the temples repeating his proclamation from his foreign god..
ultimately The Book of Jonah has a serious subject though it is never mentioned. (Christ in the New Testament mentions it when he says the Hebrews will only be given the sign of Jonah.) It is an explanation of why God did not destroy the Hebrews immediately after they crucified Christ. It was for the same reason God waited 70 years before releasing his wrath upon Jonah’s Israel. They were both granted a qiqayon — a period of time for them to reconsider their deeds. Neither did — both were destroyed.
Eugene WR Gallun
Eugene WR Gallun,
“I have translated The Book Of Jonah and it is basically a comedy written by Christian Hebrews.”
I don’t get it . . why no *it seems to me* before that flat declaration of fact about what it is and who wrote it? You don’t expect serious people to just start treating you as an infallible God yourself, simply because you can translate some text, do you?
PS ~
“It is an explanation of why God did not destroy the Hebrews immediately after they crucified Christ. It was for the same reason God waited 70 years before releasing his wrath upon Jonah’s Israel.”
Waited 70 years? Don’t you mean waited till 70 AD?
Huh? Did I read that correctly?
So if you conduct an experiment whose results contradict your expectations (and the “correct” assumptions which you so carefully spell out in your paper) the result is “perverse”?
To quote “The Princess Bride”, I don’t think “open mind” means what they think it means.
Brad Keyes, did YOU really write this study?
Go to Judith Curry’s Climate Etc for full details. Study by Kahan of Yale Law School. Avtually published. So twisted even the magnificent satirist Brad Keyes would not have thought of it.
I thought they would be content with telling peole what to think, now they are telling them what to feel as well.
Of course the alarmist deniers of reality need help and support, as coping with the loss of religious faith in the face of the evidence is very hard. There are support groups for people who have left many cults and ultra religious sects like the Plymouth Brethren as even though they know the religious cults are wrong, many simply find living without them extremely hard.
So I think we should all acknowledge the fantastic work being done by Ms Schmidt, in providing a service for the expected masses of disillusioned ex warmists who finally have to come out of denial, and admit that not only were they completely wrong about global warming, but that they were deliberately abused by people whom they held in positions of trust.
As it is well known that the primary characteristics of a warmist are inability to reason clearly, coupled with an over-emotional approach to science and an immature naïveté, we should recognise that these people are especially vulnerable to predatory grooming, and I am personally sending a letter to President Trump, urging that he donate one of his many properties to Ms Schmidt’s team to set up a ‘safe space sanatorium’ where ex NASA and UEA employees can received the counselling they need so badly to help them through the shock, grief, denial and ultimately massive loss of innocence they will inevitably undergo when, like Dylan’s protagonist in ‘Like a Rolling Stone”, “They discover that, it really wasn’t where it’s at, after they took from them everything that they could steal”…
How does it feel?
A requiem for warmists, and the Left in general…
“Hush Hush, whisper who dares
Laura Schmidt is saying her prayers”
Bless!
Hard to find original Dylan songs on line but “Desolation Row” is where Laura Schmidt should go for her climate change sadness…:
http://dmusi.com/artist/Bob+Dylan/Desolation+Row/Desolation+Row?lang=en
Within a couple days this will be blanked…
Here’s the original version of “Like a Rolling Stone” until it is deleted…:
It’s already been replaced by a live version – sorry
if they were truthful
theyd label it
support group for mentally challenged goreites!
glad i didnt have coffee in hand as i read
there really IS a large amount of “stupid” on the loose
now that….IS depressing
wish there was a lower than -Poor- star for this gem
“My advice. Drink heavily.”
Thanks to Bluto Blutarsky for that quote.