By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley
The redoubtable Debbie Bacigalupi, who keeps a close eye on some of the dafter activities of the Borg, has come across a revealing Wikileaks email that David Hayes, a law lecturer at Stanford University, sent earlier this year to John Podesta, the chairman of Mrs Clinton’s presidential campaign, inviting him to participate in a conference at Stanford on how to ensure that the incoming President kowtows to the Party Line on climate change. Quite what business this is of a law lecturer is not made clear.
Podesta
May 6th Hewlett-Sponsored Conference at Stanford
From: dhayes@[xxx]stanford.edu
To: john.podesta@[xxx]
Date: 2016-02-23 00:11
Re: May 6th Hewlett-Sponsored Conference at Stanford
John:
Great job at the David/Tamera fundraiser today! I am spending most of my time these days on a major project that I am doing at Stanford for the Hewlett Foundation. The project focuses on “Setting the Climate Agenda for our Next President”. It is bipartisan in nature, and will address both substantive policy-setting and administrative questions of how best to mobilize the federal gov’t for the complicated task of executing on cross-cutting climate change policies.
(I realize, of course, that there’s some surreality to all of this, given the views on the Republican candidate side toward climate change. We’re moving forward on the theoretical proposition that if an R [Republican] wins, he’ll need to confront the issue then, even if he doesn’t address it during the campaign.)
We’re inviting former Governor Jennifer Granholm and former Governor Christy Whitman to open up the event with their observations of how the next President might/could/should address climate change, from a POTUS/chief executive-type perspective.
We would like to follow that with a discussion with you and Josh Bolten — as former Chiefs of Staff of the President — commenting on the organizational challenges of effectively addressing complex, multi-agency and federal/state implementation issues like climate change (and — if you’d like — on some of the substantive challenges as well).
Larry Kramer, whom you know from your ClimateWorks Board involvement, is looking forward to serving as an interlocutor for a lively discussion with you and Josh on this subject. I have attached a draft of the full agenda for the day. It is going to be a very important and timely conference. John, I hope that you can come to Stanford on Friday, May 6th to do this. Can I twist your arm?
Thanks. David
David J. Hayes
Stanford Law School
Distinguished Visiting Lecturer in Law”
So, let us take a leaf out of the totalitarians’ book and prepare our own punchy WUWT PowerPoint briefing on climate change for the incoming President.
From the policy standpoint, Mr Trump will want to know the answers to just two questions.
1. How much global warming will we cause, and by when?
Answer: Not a lot, not soon, and perhaps not ever.
2. Is the cost of mitigation today less than that of adaptation the day after tomorrow?
Answer: No. It is 1-3 orders of magnitude costlier to mitigate than to adapt.
What slides would you include in the PowerPoint? Let me know in comments below and I’ll prepare the briefing. Once the new President has seen it, he will be able to say of climate change what Margaret Thatcher, in the first question she ever answered as leader of the Conservative Party, said of the notion that the House of Lords should be reformed:
“I am happy to give an undertaking that that vital matter will be at the very bottom of my very lowest list of priorities.”
Which, come to think of it, is exactly where the general public, in survey after survey, puts climate change.
What’s the point of going halfway ?
Send the very best.
Send Lord Monckton.
Christopher Walter Monckton, 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley – WOW
He is a true Hero!
He, on his own, has elevated logic and destroyed foolishness for years!
He, long before most, stood his ground with Pride.
WOW!!!!
Lord Monckton is both a gentleman and a scholar as well as great fun to converse with!
PMK
Damn – I love the Monkckton but dude – “From the policy standpoint, Mr Trump will want to know the answers to just two questions.”
No, the questions are fubar. the only answers he is looking for is how to negate a trillion dollars of waste and mitigate the rest.
WUWT has become quite unusable by me, because a popped up ad won’t let me do anything but watch it.
G
Clear your browser’s history.
george e. smith,
I run into the same problem off and on, and it’s irritating.
Dave Fair,
With respect, easy enough to say but very it’s still very frustrating and it’s not something that should need to be done regularly just to read the blog. I know it’s not Anthony’s fault, but still….
High Big G
For WUWT and general browsing I use Opera 41.0 browser. It blocks all ads and pop-ups, it is much faster than the IE or Chrome. At the moment in the top right-hand corner it shows little blue shield with No.11 (number of ads blocked)
George E Smith, I had that problem in IE 10. I switched to Google Chrome and the ad would shut up. An option in IE-10 (the open book button, upper right) will also shut the ad up.
Had same problem. Installed AdBlock. Everything moved faster. PC stopped locking up. http://download.cnet.com/s/adblock/
George and anyone else tired of popups:
Install this https://adblockplus.org/
It comes with the option of allowing specific sites to present their ads. Some sites I enjoy depend on pop ups for funding, so I permit them.
It will transform your browsing experience.
“WUWT has become quite unusable by me, because a popped up ad won’t let me do anything but watch it.”
George, I use Firefox browser and a “Noscript” addon and don’t get any ads or anthing else popping up when I go to this website.
There may be an addon that works the same way on your particular brower. The Noscript app works very well, and you can enable anything on a webpage if you so desire, or block everything.
@ur momisugly TA…Noscript is a great tool.
Why is the World sucking on the US like child in …
Because commies
This whole “control C02 output fraud was not initiated by scientists, but by 9th-grade dropout Maurice Strong in 1972, a toady for Rothschild/Rockefeller.
Are you a realist? If the temperature where you were born is getting so hot you need to move poleward, have you moved 800 miles north. Anthony hasn’t. Nobody is. Steven Mosher didn’t move from Chicago to Manitoba–he moved to California where the avg temp is HOTTER than in his native town.
Hemisphereist
Huh? Chicago is not my home town.
I moved from Grand Rapids Michigan to Chicago (colder) to LA ( too hot) to The south bay
to SF.. to cold mountainn ridge.. away from sea level rise
With your latest move Steven, your beginning to remind me of Governor Moonbeam.
Did you pack up before running away from sea level rise or did you not want to risk it and ran out panicking while leaving everything behind?
(Thanks for the chuckle, Steve : )
Na, I got sick of being the only libertarian in SF
I’ve moved to a different country 15 times since I was born, and that included a lot of north/south movement. My latest move, and I hope the last, was to move 1,000km north to get away from the cold of the coming ice age.
Antony grew up in the Sacto Valley. If global waring was killingly hot, he would have moved up to the Okanagan Valley. Steven moshe grew up near Chicago. If global arming was happening, he would have moved to Northern Manitoba, not to Cali. He LOVES warm temps. We all do.
John Podests wo believes in climate change disaster, he has recently moved from D.C. to Nunevit to escape the heat. And Leonardo DiCaprio has moved from balmy LA to cooler Nome. And AL Gore has sold his Montecito Co Cal home to live in Alaska. It is just getting so hot, they are moving away northward.
inmark,
Gonna join Lenny DiCaprio and the others? Because “it is just getting so hot.”
Don’t take any chances! It’s gettin’ real hot!
So you had better RUN while you still have a chance…
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lPGChYUUeuc/VLhzJqwRhtI/AAAAAAAAAS4/ehDtihKNKIw/s1600/GISTemp%2BKelvin%2B01.png
inmark,
Apologies if you were being sarcastic. With all the ‘climate change’ delusion going around, sometimes it’s hard to tell…
dbstealey,
The temp chart you posted is my favorite repudiation of the alarmist position. Is it on a general blog/website? It should be posted in the comments section of EVERY alarmist article.
Be sure to include linkage to David Alker’s new paper “Greenhouse Effect Theory within the UN IPCC Computer Climate Models – Is It A Sound Basis?” This paper gives the history of the junk science behind this “theory” (actually an unproven hypothesis) and then deals with how the “theory” violates thermodynamics and conservation of energy. It’s in the middle between technical and non technical, so a read with someone with a science background ( a physicist hopefully) would be invaluable.
Anything that clearly shows that reputed greenhouse gases are more accurately called “radiative gases,” which absorb and emit IR radiation during the day and are saturated, comprising a wash, but sense to convert heat energy to IR during the night, which is why the air cools so very rapidly after the sun goes down. These gases serve to cool the nightside of the planet and moderate daytime heating.
M’ Lord, I believe most if not all the charts from Steve Goddard/Tony Heller would be of ample use:
http://realclimatescience.com
Here is my submission “Climate Change is real but Global Warming is a myth. Natural variability in meteorological parameters, more particularly in precipitation that defines the droughts and floods, is the primary component of climate change which is beyond human control that needs adaptation. The other important component is urban-heat-island effect where in more than 30% of people live may o up to 50% in the next 25-30 years. In this scenario, temperature goes up and that necessitates more power consumption compared to rural counterparts. To reduce this impact, needs better town planning along with development of greenery and water bodies. The other important issue relates to air, water, soil & food pollution in association with urbanisation, transport, industry, agriculture, burning of firewood, burning of forests, etc. This needs to be controlled and or minimised. This directly affects humans and other life-forms on the earth and reduces potable water.”
Dr. S. Jeevananda Reddy
With respect Dr. Reddy:
We need to allow individuals to move their residence to cooler places. Planners will waste the peoples’ money, deny us the diffused knowledge and variety of solutions that will advance humankind. If folks think it is too hot or their energy bill too high they must be free to move.
We suffer from too many planners and too much planning. America’s growth has slowed as we have tolerated planners and planning. India’s growth has exploded as that country has begun embracing free markets and personal freedom.
Creation of new solutions is rapid when governments are small, poor and weak. Misery and tyranny can be replaced by free, strong, rich individuals making the best choices for themselves.
Mr. Monckton, The Donald opens his first climate change briefing folder and sees: “The IPCC is a Third World SJW front and their climate models are bunk.”
Nothing else.
“The Federal bureaucracy, organized Marxists/Progressives, public academe, teacher unions and other public sector unions are acting in concert to brainwash fear and timidity into American children, who grow up to be fearful automatons of the sort that you see protesting outside your front door.”
Senator McCarthy! you’re back!
Ah, Griff–wouldn’t you say that a meme designed to bilk people of their money and freedoms yet has no scientific basis is far worse than what McCarthy was chasing?
I certainly would.
Here are a couple polls showing how little people really care about climate change.
Gallup (U.S.) – Most Important Problem:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/1675/most-important-problem.aspx
U.N. (International) – Public Priorities:
http://data.myworld2015.org/
Send someone else.
Lord Mockton being brief and to the point.
I kinda miss the Bob Tisdale 24 figure pieces with links to a 2 dozen at his own blog.
Call it “Nostalgia for The Good Fight” now that the Green Blob has a sucking, mortal chest wound.
I was suprised that Lord Mockton was that brief. Trump winning could very well have been something he did not really anticipate.
Green Mob
Show him the climate model ‘predictions’ vs the actual and let him make his own mind up. WTF…. just send Richard Lindzen.
“Show him the climate model ‘predictions’ vs the actual and let him make his own mind up.”
I have to agree. See, Mr. President these wavy lines on the chart going up at a 45 degree angle are what the IPCC said was supposed to happen, and way down below those lines, you have a basically horizontal line that shows what the tempertures actually did during that period, and as you can see, there was no excess warming in the actual temperture record.
Yes, a visual comparison of IPCC fantasy versus reality would be a good way to start.
And add to that excellent idea by pointing out how every single one of these ‘wrong’ predictions is closer to reality than the previous one, showing that as the evidence mounts the problem continues to diminish.
Finally I would also suggest stressing how unscientific the whole climate debate is. True science – as I was taught in Durham UK in the fifties is to encourage others to probe your hypotheses not to announce that the science is settled and even suggest trying to prosecute or deride those who disagree. The Royal Society has as its motto “Nullius in verba” (Latin for”Take nobody’s word for it”) yet they and most climate alarmists do not adhere to that excellent maxim. Worse the separate Royal Society of Edinburgh freely admits that they have never accepted any speaker to talk against the oft-trumpeted climate ‘consensus’. That is not science, it’s not even pseudo science.
Then finally might I suggest you mention Prof Bob Carter who sadly died on 19 January 2016 after a heart attack at the age of 73. Just as with fellow countrymen and subsequent Nobel Prize winners Drs Marshall and Warren whose derided theory regarding heliocobacter-pylori was proved to be correct, Carter’s Australian University vilified him for sticking to his scientific principles when all about him disagreed. He stood up for REAL science in the face of quite unscientific argument. If this is to be a power point presentation why not also use as a background the wonderful Turmuhrglockenspielmelodie as composed for him by you?
Christopher,
Contact some one in Russia who has access to leadership.
Ask them to loan Pres. Trump and the American people one Russia’s ice breakers .
Then require 4 years of community service from the top 100 climate change proponents on a research mission to the Antarctic and have them report ice trends there back at the end of the four years.
Ya
Do not fire them do a globalist big boss thing offer them a transfer some 15,000 miles away!
..Why give them an Ice Breaker ?? They don’t believe the ice is there so give them hand ice picks so they can chip away for four years at the imaginary ice that isn’t really there in their imaginary little world…!!
My very best slide would show that the uncertainty of the size of natural sources of carbon and of natural carbon sinks is actually larger than the production of carbon by burning fossil fuels. If we don’t know the size of natural sources and sinks, why are we flagellating ourselves over our own production? Unfortunately, I have not been able to find the slide that originally showed this. I believe that it was in one of the IPCC reports, but of course the comparison was not highlighted in the way that I have mentioned. If anyone can come up with it, I would love to have it.
I would clarify this point that we do indeed know the sizes of the natural carbon sinks. We also know that these sinks are in a homeostatic quasi-equilibrium, where the natural carbon flows to and from these sinks are large whereas the net flows producing change in atmospheric CO2 over time, whether natural or human-caused, are much smaller in comparison.
We also know that the variability of the net natural carbon flows — the imbalance from a self-regulating homeostasis — is certainly large in relation to the human contribution within each year with the changing of the seasons — those are the wiggles on the famous Keeling curve showing the atmospheric CO2 level over time. Lost in looking at this curve over many decades is that the year-to-year increase is also variable, indicating a fluctuation of the imbalance in the natural carbon flows between years that is at least of the same magnitude as the human contribution. We know that the business cycle affecting our industries notwithstanding, industrial emissions do not vary enough to account for that fluctuation.
The imbalance of the natural carbon flows is highly correlated with atmospheric temperature. There is emerging evidence that a temperature increase stimulates carbon emission from natural reservoirs. That this natural mechanism hasn’t already resulted in a “runaway condition”, where increased temperature stimulates CO2 emission that in turn raises the temperature further, suggests that increases in atmospheric CO2 greatly stimulate plant growth to counteract this effect. Evidence of such “greening” of the Earth is apparent in satellite surveys of plant growth.
Paul,
The sasonal changes are quite regular and don’t surpass 5 ppmv/K where oceans and vegetation work countercurrent (so do NH and SH seasons) and NH vegetation is dominant. Net residual after a full seasonal cycle average above 2 ppmv/year. Human emissions are currently about 4.5 ppmv/year…
The wiggles in the year by year CO2 increase are known too and are less than human emissions for every year in the past 55+ years. The variability is only half human emissions around a trend which itself is also only half human emissions:
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/dco2_em2.jpg
In fact the variability in CO2 growth is a variability in sink rate, not in source rate. Further investigation has shown that it is mainly the reaction of tropical vegetation on (ocean) temperature changes and rain patterns, opposite to seasonal changes vs. temperature changes. That is based on the opposite changes of CO2 and δ13C… That zeroes out over periods longer than 1-3 years. Over longer periods vegetation is a small but growing net sink for CO2 (at higher CO2 levels and temperature). Indeed the earth is greening…
1) Earth has been cooling for 3K years, today is only mild thaw before next cooling
2) if you want to lower emissions build natgas power and crash program on the Molten Salt Reactor
3) CO2 is Plant Food
+1 for MSR. We have French firm EDF trying to build an ‘EPR’ for us, of which they have no working examples, at a cost which would easily fund the development of an MSR prototype. The MSR could be an indigenous British product, which would lead to international orders once it was shown to be a better solution than a pimped-up steam engine.
97% of all biologists believe plants consume CO2 through the process of photosynthesis. Increased CO2 levels have caused a greening of the planet. The science is settled. Burning fossil fuels has made the planet greener.
These Podesta climate change emails just keep coming.
The other was his interest and interference in the internal affairs of the Australian Government in the coal mining of the Galilee basin.
There is nothing wrong with him wanting to brief the incoming President.
Clearly the President is prepared to look at the debate, but judges the alarming predictions as doubtful.
More importantly he wants to look after his people, just like the Indian and Chinese governments.
Perhaps this is the opportunity for the President to ask basic questions about the science behind climate change, competence of climate models and reliability of data.
We may end up with informed debate.
Christopher Lord Monckton
Compliments on your succinct summary! Please formally submit your recommendation to President Elect Donald Trump at: Share Your Ideas
Re: “the views on the Republican candidate side toward climate change.”
The official views of Donald J. Trump President Elect are now formally published at GreatAgain.Gov
Energy Independence
h/t summary by Trump Reveals Policy Goals: “Building That Wall”, End “War On Coal”, Repeal Obamacare, Dismantle Dodd-Frank at ZeroHedge
GreatAgain.gov and Share Your Ideas are indeed linked. Thanks for the URLs.
“scrap the $5 trillion dollar Obama-Clinton Climate Action Plan and the Clean Power Plan and prevent these unilateral plans from increasing monthly electric bills by double-digits without any measurable effect on Earth’s climate.”
That will put the U.S. $5 Trillion ahead of all the other nations on Earth who are wasting their money on crippling their own current energy generation potential, and chasing the renewable generation deadend. Trump is going to keep energy prices low in the U.S. and that’s good for everyone.
We would have gotten away with it if it hadn’t been for that pesky Trump….
..Dang non immigrants !!! They always get in the way …..LOL
Show him Eric Smith’s multi decadal study of the relentless movement of GHCN thermometers toward the equator as the “climate scientists” tried to sustain their false narrative. Eric blogs under the name the Chiefio.
aka E.M. Smith.
“How much global warming will we cause, and by when?”
Sorry but this is so oversimplified as to simply be WRONG. The question should be “How do human warming effects compare to natural temperature change?” And: “When our best estimates for both are combined do we even know whether it would be better to have a stronger or a weaker human warming effect?”
To which the answers are 1) that natural effects are likely (more than 50%) to be both stronger than human effects and in the cooling direction so that 2) we would probably rather have a stronger rather than a weaker human warming effect, but this is not something we should be trying to manipulate without knowing a lot more than we do now.
And I would add, as I have done many times before, that we should be getting READY to offset any sudden onset of global cooling by dotting the great white north with coal burning plants designed with both a clean burning mode and and dirty mode that is optimized for maximum production and dispersal of airborne soot to induce wide-area melting of snow and ice.
Electricity generation would be a mere byproduct, sufficient for plant and local use only, as northern distances make anything but local electricity transmission inefficient. The primary purpose would be to have the capacity to quickly offset any cooling that could induce an albedo-feedback cycle capable of dragging climate down into a next period of glaciation. The only real danger always has been and always will be GLOBAL COOLING.
Mr Rawls has seen the simplicity of my two policy questions, but not the subtlety of them.
The first question, “How much global warming will we cause, and by when?”, encapsulates within it the distinction between natural and anthropogenic contributions to warming that he regards as essential.
And the second question, on the economics of climate mitigation, encompasses his question about whether it would be “better” to have more or less manmade warming.
I have long experience of briefing heads of state and of government. The art is to condense the main points into the shortest practicable compass.
Moncton of Benchley:
“How much warming will we cause, and by when?”
The answer depends upon understanding the actual cause of climate change, which is real, but is not caused by greenhouse gasses.
Between 1853 and the present there have been 2 depressions and 31 recessions. ALL are coincident with temporary increases in average global temperatures. The cause of the temperature increases can only be due to fewer emissions of strongly dimming SO2 aerosols into the troposphere because of the reduced industrial activity during a business slowdown.
The resultant cleaner air allows sunshine to strike the earth with greater intensity, causing temporary increases in average global temperatures. (ERSST temperatures show the same warming pattern)
Likewise, Clean Air efforts since circa 1970 have resulted in the reduction of global SO2 aerosol emissions from a peak of 131 Megatonnes in 1970 to 101 Megatonnes in 2011 (the last year for which global SO2 emissions are currently available).
The “rule of thumb” for the amount of warming caused by the reduction .in SO2 aerosol emissions is .02 deg. C. of warming for each net Megatonne of reduction in global SO2 aerosol emissions.
For the 30 Megatonne reduction in SO2 aerosol emissions between .1970 and 2011, an expected temperature rise of 30 x .02 = 0.60 deg. C. would be expected. This is precisely the Jan-Dec average global temperature reported by NASA! Predictions/projections for all intervening years where SO2 emission amounts are known are accurate to within .02 deg. C, when natural variations are accounted for.
This precision.completely excludes the possibility of any additional warming due to greenhouse gasses.
Thus, the answer to your question would be “zero”, if all reductions in SO2 emissions were to be immediately halted.
This will not happen, but temperatures can be estimated based upon projected amounts of reduction in SO2 emissions. This information should shortly become available–and the projected warming will be worse than anything currently projected for greenhouse gasses!..
On the costs issue, bring in Bjorn Lomborg.
Tony Heller’s plot of a perfectly linear relationship between temperature adjustments and atmospheric CO2 is the killer for me.
“How much global warming will we cause, and by when?”
Sorry but this is so oversimplified as to simply be WRONG. The question should be “How do human warming effects compare to natural temperature change?” And: “When our best estimates for both are combined do we even know whether it would be better to have a stronger or a weaker human warming effect?”
To which the answers are 1) that natural effects are likely (more than 50%) to be both stronger than human effects and in the cooling direction so that 2) we would probably rather have a stronger rather than a weaker human warming effect, but this is not something we should be trying to manipulate without knowing a lot more than we do now.
I would also add, as I have many times before, that we should be getting READY to offset any sudden onset of global cooling by dotting the great white north with coal burning plants designed with both a clean burning mode and and dirty mode that is optimized for maximum production and dispersal of airborne soot to induce wide-area melting of snow and ice.
Electricity generation would be a mere byproduct, sufficient for plant and local use only, as northern distances make anything but local electricity transmission inefficient. The primary purpose would be to have the capacity to quickly offset any cooling that could induce an albedo-feedback cycle capable of dragging climate down into a next period of glaciation. The only real danger always has been and always will be GLOBAL COOLING.
Must show slides of how incredibly poor the climate models perform vs. reality . Must demand that ALL environmental legislation be based on data/results from the Scientific Method.
CM. You don’t have to be a US citizen to science advisor to the president
Lord Monckton, Trump invited your Prime Minister, Theresa May for a visit, as soon as possible. You should come with her and discuss climate change with Trump. 🙂
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/president-elect-trump-invites-british-prime-minister-for-a-visit-231177
“President-elect Donald Trump has invited British Prime Minister Theresa May for a visit to the United States “as soon as possible,” according to a spokesperson for No. 10 Downing Street.”
Trump is going to treat Britain a lot better than our current president. He puts Britain at the head of the line/que.
I also personally believe that Trump will assure PM May that the bust of Winston Churchill will be immediately restored to it’s previous place of honour in the White House on Jan 21, 2017, PM May will also be invited to that ceremony.
NW sage November 10, 2016 at 6:44 pm
I also personally believe that Trump will assure PM May that the bust of Winston Churchill will be immediately restored to it’s previous place of honour in the White House on Jan 21, 2017, PM May will also be invited to that ceremony.
So it will be moved from outside the Treaty room to the Oval office, not sure why a ceremony would be necessary.
..Phil, the original was sent back to Britain…PERIOD !!
“The White House originally denied that the bust had been removed and sent back to Britain, before admitting that it actually had – although a second identical bust remains in the White House.”
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3554310/Obama-admits-removed-bust-Churchill-Oval-Office.html#ixzz4PhYnIsx5
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Marcus, the original is still in the White House it was given to Lyndon Johnson back in the 60’s. A second bust was loaned to Bush in 2001 and was returned at the end of his term (I believe the original was being cleaned at the time).
Show him all the facts: Hurricane data, tornado data, sea level rise data, temperature data – worldwide and USA, cyclone worldwide data, Greenland ice growth data, Antarctica ice growth data, sea surface data – just the facts man…
Please explain to him that although the Chinese were instrumental in saving the world from the global coup of COP21 they are NOT the ones who started the “hoax”. That ball is firmly in our court.
+1
How much global warming will we cause, and by when?
The answer is inversely proportional to the amount of money spent on the ‘climate change research’ gravy train.
I hope this works, but I am ‘skeptical’…
Having a skeptic that forces people to do what he thinks isn’t going to re-educate people about the wrongness of AGW, it will only make them hate skeptics more. Unproductive. What we need to do is somehow lead people to investigate the matter enough that they will see the truth. This requires patience and skill, not heavy-handed approaches. I’m not sure how far a skeptical president will get with such a task (especially since he thinks it is somehow related to a Chinese hoax, which IS nonsense). He may prevent some money being spent, but once he’s gone, the AGW ‘believers’ will just come back and undo whatever he did (or tried to do), thanking the gods above that ‘sensible’ people are again back in power. He may do more harm than good for ‘true’ science. The method matters, and the method should be education, not force.
He may strong-arm things for a while, but that doesn’t address the problem. People need to be re-educated first.
My own experience has taught me that many, many people believe what they want to regardless of any reason or facts that may contradict those beliefs. The numbers vary with the beliefs so I’d guess that any AGW/ACC advocates remaining will be virtually invulnerable to any facts or reasoned argument that we could present.
Well, more correctly that you could present, since I stopped trying when I realized that none I could find had even the slightest understanding of solar, orbital and planetary dynamics effects on Earth’s climate. It was entertaining to see their faces fall when they realized that I actually expected them to do math!
Phones and pens are lousy instruments for governing – both for doing and undoing. Given the balance of power that has evolved, and the historical rejection of Copenhagen, The incoming POTUS should submit the “treaty” for ratification by the Senate. It takes the onus off of him. Once rejected, it should automatically obviate any adaptation/mitigation funding through the UN, thus removing that discussion from the budget agenda of the House. Then the question of removing any support for the UNEP bureaucracy can stand alone during budget deliberations. Peanuts from Canada – so I may be wrong.
Just the fact that they would invite Granholm to open a conference indicates that they aren’t serious about science or public policy. Jen pretty much trashed Michigan’s finances on all kinds of pet projects for the teacher’s unions, the UAW, and the for a multitude of environmental groups. The only good outcome of her tenure is that the backlash was so strong that we got an accountant in the Governorship, (Snyder), who has stabilized the finances, taken the Detroit political mafia, (can we say Kilpatrick and crew), to the cleaners, and generally done a good job of getting the auto industry to return some jobs to the Midwest.
Could the Trump win also have come from Granholm’s radical leftism?
I would suggest including some of the animated graphs showing how NOAA has been warming up data over the years. Rigging the data to conform to AGW.
+1
Yes, definitely. +10
+100