The L. A. Times published an article claiming that “Trump’s climate science denial clashes with the reality of rising seas in Florida”
The article fails to address easily available and comprehensive NOAA tide gauge data updated through the year 2015 (http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_us.htm) showing that the Florida coastline is experiencing no acceleration in coastal sea level rise and that the rate of coastal sea level rise there remains constant and consistent over more than 100 years of long term period tide gauge data measurements.
This long term steady rate of coastal sea level rise is documented at numerous locations around the state including Mayport, Fernandina Beach, Key West, St. Petersburg, Cedar Key, and Pensacola.
Climate alarmists have been falsely claiming for 3 decades now that coastal sea level rise is accelerating but NOAA tide gauge data demonstrates that this is not happening in Florida or anywhere else around the world.
In addition to the Times article failing to address NOAA coastal sea level rise measurement science the article also fails to address the well established climate science showing that sea level has been rising for thousands of years since the end of the last ice age and that this increasing sea level is driven by natural climate change not man made global warming (https://curryja.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/spe-curry-final.pdf).
The Times article also fails to mention that projections of future coastal sea level rise in Florida based on climate models have huge limitations and qualifications rendering such projections as nothing but pure speculation and conjecture (https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/05/28/2015-updated-noaa-tide-gauge-data-shows-no-coastal-sea-level-rise-acceleration/).
The Times article mentions the recent increase in global temperatures but conceals the fact that the huge 2015–2016 El Nino is responsible for those increased temperatures not man made global warming (https://curryja.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/spe-curry-final.pdf).
The L A Times article which accuses Trump of climate science denial regarding Florida sea level rise in fact provides a clear demonstration of the Times climate science denial and the outright use of the deception and distortion of climate alarmist propaganda by that paper.
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The Climate Liars are in full panic mode now, because it looks like Trump could actually win. The standaed MO is to use weather to try whip up the sheeple’s emotions – floods, droughts, heat waves, cold snaps, blizzards, lack of snow, fires, etc. They are relying on several things; people’s short-term memories, intellectual laziness, and the desire to be on the popular “save the planet” bandwagon. They are also relying on people’s ability to put up with what must be an unbearable amount of cognitive dissonance now.
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oh heck.. now I want a Deplorable Me button..
Bright yellow tic-tac Trump optional
Rush’s deplorable T-shirts are ‘a huge hit’- Hillary slammed them before all of America, but now . . .
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/09/15/rushs-deplorable-shirts-huge-hit-hillary-slammed-america-now-389934
Marcus,
I had 2 t-shirts and a hat with ‘Deplorable’ custom made last week. Why wait on someone else to make one for you?
Fun to wear!
And I’m proud to be a DEPLORABLE,
for at least my mind is free.
And I won’t forget the hag who tried
to shame that part of me.
And I proudly STAND UP
with the truth and defend it still today.
‘Cause there ain’t no doubt, the Left is bad.
God bless DE – PLOR – A – BLES!
Bruce sez:
“They are also relying on people’s ability to put up with what must be an unbearable amount of cognitive dissonance now.”
We have created an electronic version of Aldous Huxley’s Soma in the form of personal handheld devices that serve as the opiate of the masses. Not enough people experience the cognitive dissonance to oust the ‘Climate Liars’ as you say.
But as you point out, all it takes is a change at the top and then the Climate Gravy Train goes off the rails.
..H.R.. 100 Gold Stars to you my fellow Deplorable !
Science lesson: Obama stopped the rising of the oceans, but now, alas, an evil Trumpkin has risen in the east who seeks to raise his wand and flood us all out [display graph]. We need a very strong potion — only a Hillarydillary can stop the evil Trumpkin.
Voters in Florida need to read WUWT regularly before California makes the move to spread it’s carbon taxes onto the rest of the country.
I hope that the following could be considered relevant to the discussion when it touches on the rate of increase of sealevels due to CO2 induced temperature rise:
NTZ has just posted about a new paper from Chinese authors about the warming pause , which they seem to consider to be still present :
http://notrickszone.com/2016/09/19/new-paper-documents-imperceptible-co2-influence-on-the-greenhouse-effect-since-1992/
The paper is from one of the Nature journals and at present full access is available :
http://www.nature.com/articles/srep33315
I think that they are arguing that a strong series of La Nina effects since the 1990s is having a regional effect in tropical areas which is offsetting , via action on cloud cover, the intrinsic warming effect of CO2.
If I really was a denier of “climate change”, I would have to deny the several past periods of substantial glaciation. I would have to deny that where my house was built was once covered by a mile of solid ice.
If there is any fact we must face about “climate change” is that the term has NOTHING to do with climate. It is, in the modern media and social context, a statement of an ideology that is advocated with a consistent end goal. The end goals of every advocate of “climate change” all converge on justifying socialistic government policy that has the effect of reducing personal and collective energy usage, of suppressing the blessings of inexpensive energy, of increasing government micro-management of our lives, of justifying globalization and harmonization of government and government powers.
While I don’t fault people who seek the best for humanity, they have been seduced into supporting an ideology that has an evil end goal. Even taking something as simple as enabling every person on earth to enjoy the simple daily benefit of being able to store left over food in a small home refrigerator is something that hundreds of millions of people simply cannot do. Yet the advocates of “climate change” work to deny the necessary power generation to make that possible in the third world. Their socialism prevents many people from being sufficiently prosperous to afford even the simple things we take for granted int the developed world. All for the sake of a better planet. It is as if the plant were a deity that must be worshipped.
10,000 years ago…
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-iPCjWURVg7k/VFL3Bpnx4GI/AAAAAAAAH0A/8bFtvhsCBo4/s1600/iceagesealevel.png
Oh dear. Look at poor Florida then. They must have had lots of SUVs back then.
“They must have had lots of SUVs back then.”
Ummm, just the opposite, that’s about double the size of FL today, ditto the Bahamas. SL was ~40 meters lower back then.
Excellent. I was just looking at Google Earth – picturing that outline as being where the water is about 200 feet deep today. Saved.Thanks.
Oops – Meant to hit 400 feet deep. Was thinking 400, don’t know what’s with my typing fingers.
Noam Chomsky wrote books about the wars in Vietnam and Cambodia. Ignoring his politics, the books do a good job of documenting how the press handles facts.
He showed that, if the facts interfere with their chosen narrative, the media will refuse to correct errors.
“Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one.” link
The L A Times is just the crazy cousin of New Yorks crazy gray lady.
The LAT’s article (which throughout doesn’t distinguish between GW and AGW, nor CC and ACC) claims:
“Over the last decade, streets in low-lying neighborhoods have begun flooding during the highest tides, usually when the moon is full around the fall equinox.”
The suggestion being that prior to the ‘last decade,’ streets in low-lying neighborhoods in Miami never flooded during high tides?
Must be some historical data around here somewhere? Anyone?
Low-lying areas…Miami Beach has had some recent issues during king tides. How much is SLR vs subsidence?
Interesting that the LA Times is so focused on FL.
Miami is already convinced of an acceleration in sea level rise. It is easy when you ignore subsidence.
As someone who lives in Florida, I’m kind of tired of being the poster child on climate change. There has always been flooding in the low-lying areas of Miami and Ft. Lauderdale. They occur when a new moon is relatively close to the Earth (during a new moon, the moon & sun are aligned to increase tides.) Some people call them “Spring tides” because they seem to spring up out of the ground even when it is not raining. September 2015 happened to be one of the best alignments in awhile. (These can also happen when the moon is full, but is usually larger during a new moon.)
http://earthsky.org/earth/high-tides-supermoon-flooding-september-2015
“Astronomers who understand supermoons, which they call perigean full moons, had been expecting higher-than-usual tides. It’s not just a supermoon, though, causing the extra-high tides this time. The effect on the tides is being accentuated by the fact that we’re near the peak of an 18-6-year cycle of the moon, which features what astronomers call a minor lunar standstill.”
A paper demonstrating (using tide gauges and other measurements) that a significant rise in the rate of sea level increase, along with more frequent heavy rain events, is contributing to increased flooding in the Miami area. SInce this site is all about science, I’m confident that you’ll retract your claims above and acknowledge the accuracy of the original articles.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0964569116300278
Sir Harry, you are conflating sea level rise due to global warming and sea level rise due to subsidence. Overpumping of ground water has bupkis to do with overall SLR.
Thanks for completely misinterpreting the information in the paper. In case you were interested in a copy which is not behind a paywall, here it is — https://www.rsmas.miami.edu/users/swdowinski/publications/Wdowinski-et-al-OCM-2016.pdf
They are not ‘blaming’ climate change for this localized sea level changes. Nobody would blame any such short term shifts on climate change because sea-level is not nearly so predictable. The key line from the study that you cite is this one: “These findings support the results of recent studies suggesting that decadal-scale accelerating rates of SLR along most of the US Atlantic coast have occurred due to the weakening of AMOC. However, the acceleration along most of the US Atlantic coast began around 2000 whereas the acceleration in the Miami area was delayed and began after 2006.”
The AMOC cycle (and the NAO) is similar to the ENSO cycle in the Pacific (although not as extreme). Ocean level in the West Pacific can rise by as much as 2 meters due solely to the surges created by El Nino. It’s a lot easier to find information on this phenomena in the mid-Atlantic states than Miami because the effect occurred there first (and because all reports tend to emphasize the problem for the audience.)
For instance, here is one of the major reports on the phenomena: http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2015/150224/ncomms7346/pdf/ncomms7346.pdf and here: https://usclivar.org/research-highlights/extreme-sea-level-rise-event-linked-amoc-downturn
“In a recent paper, Goddard and colleagues show that this extreme sea-level rise event was a combined effect of two physical factors. First, it was partly due to an observed 30% downturn of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation (AMOC) during 2009-2010. This AMOC slowdown caused significant short-term changes in ocean temperatures and salinity east of North America, resulting in changes to ocean density and in turn imparting a rise in regional sea level. The extreme nature of the 2009-2010 sea-level rise event suggests that such a significant AMOC downturn is very unusual in the past century. The second contributing factor to the extreme sea-level rise event was due to a significant negative North Atlantic Oscillation index. The associated easterly or northeasterly wind anomalies acted to push ocean waters towards the Northeast Coast through a process known as “Ekman transport”, resulting in further rise in coastal sea levels in addition to that imparted by the AMOC downturn.” —
Normally, this an 18.6 year cycle (so an analysis ending in 2014, like the study you cite should begin before 1996.) However, the Goddard paper points out that this cycle is unusually large in the East Coast due to the timing between the NAO and AMOC.
The point is that, even if there is an underlying long-term sea-level rise, the AMOC & NAO cycles are the dominant effects over the short run.
Harry, ever walked the main streets in downtown Miami (or other SFL cities)? Lots of old buildings are sitting on pilings driven to bedrock. Look closely at the sidewalks between the building and parking lots, or building and street surface. Can you see the tilt of the sidewalk away from the more stable building-on-pilings? Duhhh.. South Florida is SINKING, since the first day a human set foot on it. It’s sinking away from the buildings! Even the building is sinking, but much slower. Why can’t we force climate scientists and NOAA bureaucrats to take courses in PLATE TECTONICS?
The list of things that global warming believers have to place themselves in denial of, keeps growing longer:
Chaos and nonlinearity
Gravity
Thermodynamics
The existence of the world before 1800
Photosynthesis
Ice ages
Popper’s deductive law of science
Geology
Prigogine’s nonlinear thermodynamics
The Lorenz attractor
Democracy
Freedom of speech
Natural continuous climate change
The oceans
The THC
Antarctica
Complexity
The existence of people with opinions different from their own
e.t.c.
LA times is a comic book . Made up fiction in a dying business .
Guess their strongly held views would prohibit them from taking
ad money from the auto sector . I mean why encourage it . They are killing the planet aren’t they .
How many trees has the LA Times consumed ?
Once more we have an article about sea level rise that is illustrated by a photo of flooded south Florida streets. And, again, these photos are of south Florida streets which were flooded by heavy, tropical rains and NOT sea level rise. This is dishonest and should be called out.
In fact, this is flooding due to sea level rise. The sea level rise is not due to climate change; rather, it is due to a regular tidal cycle known as the “spring tides” or “king tides” or “perigean tides”. These tides occur in South Florida without any rain at all.
In September, they were the largest in the last century due to an alignment of natural cycles. Such tides occur every month, but the moon is not normally in a straight alignment with the sun (it’s either above or below the straight line between the two.)
In September 2015, these tides coincided with the AMOC — plus (I believe) there was a hurricane off the coast which added to the storm surge.
Now wait a minute
Are they recycling Atlantic US coast sea level rise as something new and scary?
We’re in climate goldfish 7-second memory-land. Again.
We already know why US Atlantic coast sea level rise is accelerating.
It’s because the Gulf Stream is slowing down:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jgrc.20091/full
What does that mean? Reduced heat transport to the Arctic, eventually Arctic ice recovery. If it goes the whole hog and stops Norwegian sea downwelling and deep water formation, we could be talking glacial inception.
Aren’t the real deniers the ones that deny global warming is actually a very good thing . We are
extremely lucky to be in a warming cycle and if in some way we help then high fives all around .
If you like global cooling move to Antarctica where you can enjoy having roughly 1000 sq miles all to yourself . Well at least for the 30 seconds before you freeze to death.
All the wholly shit the earth has a fever crowd should be provide a one way ticket to Antarctica because at
an average high temperature of minus – 49 degrees they can escape the ravages of global warming and we don’t have to listen to their liberal /socialist agenda .
Even in their own terms, even if temperature and sea level were rocketing up (which they aren’t) they confuse correlation and causation. Page 1 line 1 of the statistics manual.
Maybe a spurious correlation problem, since correlation is a necessary condition for causation.
Sea level depends on the temperature of the water and the wind direction.
http://ocean.dmi.dk/anim/plots/eta.natl.1.png
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With L.A.Times. Maybe never heard of the everglades.
https://www.google.at/search?q=everglades&client=ms-android-samsung&prmd=imnv&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&fir=WnDTY3Xgj-RyFM%253A%252CIGvqwtRF4I7_YM%252C_%253BYi7dpjNKxiZL5M%253A%252Cp3z-9_jVYTPBbM%252C_%253B08wbbLSrpJPZmM%253A%252CSHnkCRAMdOnJlM%252C_%253B-vFYhDbDZ0zy-M%253A%252CPI3T49f2537e5M%252C_%253Be990JyByFV471M%253A%252C_qcEDGI8aT7wqM%252C_%253BctDXW4sCn9WwXM%253A%252CFT4jdwXfK8AZVM%252C_%253B4AIg8wSKKJHt6M%253A%252CMDSDfcWfnRLqxM%252C_%253BC2oTVlC6qDvhvM%253A%252Cv5Q3M1IjCA7TiM%252C_%253BrLvWMcYcBj67qM%253A%252CfCbvoFwMBtvIUM%252C_%253BkmKR_JILb1X_wM%253A%252CYzsGLx0J2QqgFM%252C_&usg=__utdPKo9PckHzD3kKLd_uHVfrPDs%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi31rr9gJ7PAhXBJcAKHU5qBtgQ7AkIPg&biw=360&bih=615&dpr=2
But it was warmer than now during the Holocene Maximum, some 8,000 years ago. Sea levels should have been slightly higher then.
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From what I have read of archeological digs, the shore line of the Gulf of Mexico was 50 miles inland from present, sea levels were 6 feet higher, 4-6000 years ago, compared to present. Lamb claimed glaciers south of 60°N began to form then, accruing the seawater in mountain glaciers. Now they melt back a little and we find ancient forests and human bodies that were buried by ice. Makes CO2 look pretty pitiful as a ‘forcing’.
The times is vile, see anything written by Davenport to confirm the eco agenda, lie after lie
Idiots. You’d think “they” had no brains at all. They can’t tell whether the sea is rising or the dock the tide gage is mounted on, like the one in the pluff mud in downtown Charleston is SINKING….