Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Ban Ki-moon, outgoing UN Secretary General, has declared that the climate debate is over.
… “The debate over climate phenomenon is over scientifically and environmentally,” said Ban, adding that the influence of climate change deniers or skeptics has waned.
“It is affecting our day-to-day life,” Ban said, at a new conference ahead of a G20 summit in the eastern Chinese city of Hangzhou. …
Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-climatechange-un-idUSKCN11A04N
Meanwhile, back in the real world, President Obama is in my opinion misleading the Chinese government into thinking his “ratification” of the Paris treaty means something. President Obama cannot bind the USA to the commitments of the Paris treaty without ratification by a hostile US senate. Such ratification is very unlikely, because the US senate is currently controlled by climate skeptics.
Climate subsidies are being reduced worldwide, as even the greenest governments give up on hopeless renewables.
Climate consistently scores at the bottom of people’s priorities, compared to issues like the economy and the treat of global terrorism, even when the UN conducts the poll.
The only question in my opinion is whether Ban Ki-moon will be forgotten, or whether he will be remembered as the UN Secretary General who presided over the demise of the climate movement.
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Yes, Yes, Yes!!! No more need for the IPCC, no more money for climate research, no more flying to conferences on climate change. We are freed from funding all those things! Let’s make a list of where the money could be really useful, like in poor countries getting them food, clothes, shelter and something besides those hokey solar cookstoves and tiny wind turbines with no backup. Third world countries celebrate! You may actually be saved.
INM-CM4, a Russian model. Better clouds, lower sensitivity, more ocean buffering. But no case for alarm.
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And I’ll wager that no one in the media bothered to ask him to explain specifically how global warming is affecting anybody’s life. I see plenty of refugees, but nary a single climate refugee. An army of invisible
refugees, apparently.
Climate Debate … Over?
If that is the case then why is Mikey Mann spamming FB about a “patition” demanding AGU drop Exxon Support?
http://act.climatetruth.org/sign/agu/?source=FB_ad2
And WTF is a “Climate Truth Org.”? if the “Debate” is Over?
Give a hand to Mikey Mann for a Sunday Funny! 😀
This is the guy who went to the Arctic to watch glaciers calving and then announced (approximately) “We have to stop this happening!”…
“It is affecting our day-to-day life,”
Exactly what one can say about the very changeable English weather. Apart from a brief visit from the Spanish plume, it’s been a rather disaapointing and cool summer.
Can I get some sort of climate compensation for that?
If we were to go into a cooling phase next winter, and enter a downward cooling slope that lasts thirty years there will still be activests claiming that some factor is masking GW and that when that something stops being a factor there will be a catastrophic rise in temperature.
Fortunately if we do have the predicted cooling during the next decade even the dumbest politician should learn that they can no longer ride this pony, unfortunately, they’ll just look for some other hobby horse they can mount in order to build a little personal empire.
Warming or cooling is irrelevant. Their ‘solution’ to the New Ice Age that was coming in the ’70s was… more taxes, more power to the government, and less fossil fuels.
Yep. The narrative is very flexible.
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MarkG,
“[…] more taxes, more power to the government, and less fossil fuels.”
Odd, but that’s also the solution for Extremely Normal climate, too.
“Odd, but that’s also the solution for Extremely Normal climate, too.”
Of course.
Extremely Normal climate is another symptom of Global Warming.
Predicted cooling by who?
This may sound like a broken record, but it can’t be played too many times: Climate-change is a political device. Note:
According to Investors Business Daily, Christiana Figueres, Executive Secretary of the U.N.’s Framework Convention on Climate Change (through July 2016), has admitted that the goal of environmental activists is not to save the world from ecological calamity but to destroy capitalism. She’s quoted as having said, ‘..This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, changing the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution…’
Figueres is currently a serious candidate for election to the position of Secretary General of the U.N.
Actually, there is a little bit of good news: Figueres (aka tinkerbell) is (or quite possibly was, pls see below) a candidate.
But – not unlike “climate change” being at the bottom of the world’s priority list (unless one arm, hand, finger etc. of the UNEP has decided to substitute one survey result for another) – after the 3rd round she’s quite firmly entrenched at the bottom of the candidate heap (my bold -hro):
Source
Apologies for italicized mess… obviously must have forgotten closing tag after “quite possibly was” above. Either that or WP just doesn’t like me;-)
Jawohl, Mein Führer.
Just another dictator at heart.
It’s quite fitting that they’ve employed a fictional character, “Red” the Angry Bird to be the ambassador for their fictional manmade Climate Catastrophe.
“Meanwhile, back in the real world, President Obama is in my opinion misleading the Chinese government into thinking his “ratification” of the Paris treaty means something.”
The Chinese are not fooled by Obama. They know the U.S. Constitution as well as he does. Yes, that’s right, Obama knows the U.S. Constitution, he just chooses to ignore the parts of it that restrict his authority.
The Climate Agreement is just going through the motions for the Chinese. They are not required to do anything under this agreement until 2030. Odds are, they won’t do anything after 2030, either. They will be happy to sign this meaningless agreement. It makes them look good in the eyes of the Globalists, and they don’t have to sacrifice anything for it. Win, win.
Well there you have it. Ban Ki-moon has just ordered all you alarmists to quit debating the subjects of climate change and AGW . You need to follow your leaders orders and march to the tune of that organization which has been the leader in the AGW/Climate change scam. You have your orders. However we skeptics will continue to debate since we think that the UN is full of it and we do not look to them as leaders of anything but pure BS and despotism.
Hooray! RAH made it back okay (I assume!) from his Elk Grove long haul!
#(:))
It never ceases to amaze me how disconnected from reality those clowns in the UN are. I would be all for the US leaving and throwing the bums and dictators out of the country if not for the fact that it is almost always better to have a seat at your enemies table than to be outside the door wondering what they’re up to.
Since the one day out and back up the Chicago area I hauled a very heavy refer load of Nestles chocolate and strawberry milk to a warehouse in Flanders, NJ (NW of Newark). Rig would have been a little over the 80,000 lb. max allowable with full fuel. Then went down to Camden, NJ and picked up a load of frozen snack foods and brought that back. That was a much longer haul than the run up to the Chicago area and back. Then I took vacation all of last week. Now back on call.
Take care, RAH, the road warrior (seriously — it is a battle out there with all you deal with, esp. all the rude or incompetent drivers!).
The scary global warming debate hasn’t even really begun because the promoters of the earth has a fever run and hide like cowards. Really the only thing settled is they want the checks to keep flowing on one of the biggest scams in history .
Of course climate changes with or without humans but a trace gas representing a fraction of ! % of the atmosphere has virtually no effect .and if anything it is positive . That is not in debate . Look where all the scam promoters live and their lifestyle . Not a global warming Gandhi among these self dealing weasels .
Moon Bank is outgoing ? Now that is very good news .
Science is about facts , hypothesis and proven theory . Political science is about the distribution of power and resources . The scary global warming industry is political science as UN officials intended in order to distribute power and resources as they saw fit .
The air is running out of the scam so it is even less likely promoters of the earth has a fever will actually debate anything . Most have made their money already .
Beg to differ, Amber.
The Climate Hustle is just getting started.
It’s about to get its “second wind” via control of the internet. The intent of the Socialist CAGW-loving crowd is clear. Freedom of speech on the WWW, enforced by US Dept of Commerce ownership of ICAAN and the resulting 1stAmendment protections, has been in the Left’s crosshairs since the 90’s when outlets like DrudgeReport broke the Clinton-Lewinsky story while major media outlets controlled by the Left were trying to silence the story.
And the climate hustle is one of several major paths to increased political power and control across the Western-Developed nations.
Just remember folks that the ‘hottest year evah’ meme is predicated on an 18+ year pause followed by el Nino driven by NATURAL variability. Yep, the greatest threat humankind has ever faced is now completely reliant on perfectly normal natural variability to prop it up. Shite doesn’t get more real than this.
The only question in my opinion is whether Ban Ki-moon will be forgotten, or whether he will be remembered as the UN Secretary General who presided over the demise of the climate movement.
Unless the left wing liberal democrats win the debate, and you find yourself in jail for writing so many BS articles. I’m not so sure they are going to lose the debate anytime soon.
Mr. Obama is deadly serious about circumventing our Constitution and laws to get his way. He is certainly misleading a lot of people but the Chinese President is not one of them.
The Chinese will go along with the West’s climate propaganda. Both Xi and Obama know this.
It’s not about climate for either of them.
It’s one thing, and one thing only. That one thing is increased power within their respective geopolitical spheres.
The Chinese leadership understands the West’s socialist climathustle for what it is. That is why they were more than happy to sign on when the Hustlers don’t ask them to change anything in their energy use until 2030. They see that 14 year window as the time the West’s economic self-destruction will be complete.
The Chinese will go along with the West’s climate propaganda. Both Xi and Obama know this.
It’s not about climate for either of them.
It’s about one thing, and one thing only. That one thing is increased power within their respective geopolitical spheres.
Obama has a failed Presidency and is clearly a wannabe Dictator. And he understands history is written by the winners.
The Chinese leadership understands the West’s socialist climate hustle for what it is. A disguised socialist movement seeking to seize more political power from voters who only think they love in constitutional democracies.
That is why the Chinese leaders were more than happy to sign on when the Hustlers doesn’t ask them to change anything in their energy use until 2030. They see that 14 year window as the time the West’s economic self-destruction will be complete.
They know that 2030 the hustle will have succeeded or failed. Either way, it will be moot in 2030.
So now the UN declares the climate debate over.
Climate skeptics will now be considered committing crimes against humanity.
UN is soon to take over the internet root domain management via an ITU-ICAAN alliance.
Climate skeptic web sites and their domain hosts will soon be receiving “cease and dissist” orders from UN bureaucrats.
Ignore the order and face global internet domain name death.
1984 is here.
I don’t think we ever actually had a debate. Or did I miss it? All I saw was a preordained conclusion and a lot of shouting and intimidation and calling everyone who disagreed a denier.
Ban Ki Moon wants the UN to be a world government, hence CO2 must be dangerous. His is a purely political view. The man wouldn’t know a scientific conclusion if he tripped over one. Why are we listening to this man pontificate on scientific matters he knows nothing about.
Here’s another debate that is “over”.
Thank you for sharing that, clipe. A fitting parallel to the AGW issue. One side are realists, basing their conclusions on facts and data and logic. The other are speculationists, basing their conclusions on “I just think” and conjecture and unsupported (with data) extrapolation.
The AGW issue is driven by greed (and power-over-taxation, which is, essentially greed).
The border control/”refugee” issue is, apparently, driven by emotion (is there money involved??).
There is, thus, more hope for the science realists — truth has won. It is only a matter of time until the propaganda (e.g., the bogus “97% consensus” lie) can’t provide enough cover for politicians to support the wind and solar sc@mmers anymore.
The true believers in AGW who also care enough about it to “save the planet,” are not a real problem anymore.
With the “refugee” issue, on the other hand, an emotional impairment hinders intellects of people such as Louise. They simply can’t see, not ever, the facts and truth has no chance to illuminate their understanding.
The heart is the seat of wisdom. When it is cold, it is sick. They lack the ability to empathize with the victims of the crimes cited by Steyn. Not until the lightning bolt of THEIR family member or THEIR friend
being attacked by an orthodox Muslim or by a man for whom Islamic values (like treating women like animals) are cultural norms shocks their brains back “on,” will such cold hearts and blind minds see the truth about screening out those who will not renounce the violent parts of their religion/culture before entering nations that respect the civil liberties of EVERYone.
And, as Farage pointed out, enforcing the criminal laws to prosecute acts that are NOT okay in a country that has civil liberties no matter WHAT someone’s religion says.
In the meantime, we must simply ignore the emotionally blind
(some from hatred of Christi@n and Jew1sh belief in God — they see honoring the Musl1m religion as a way to “get at” those they h@te (yes, h@te, for what reason, I do not know, pure emotion; you can see it in their snarling comments on WUWT, at times))
“Muslims are peaceful people, let them all in” crowd
and get on with protecting our citizens.
(needless to say…)
VOTE TRUMP
#(:))
Arbour also worked as a UN Human Rights Judge, where she oversaw rape cases involving African and Yugoslavian women. For her to joke about Farage and Steyn being sex-obsessed maniacs was a disgusting thing for her to say. I think she just doesn’t want to come to terms that it’s not just third world women who get raped.
Great video, clipe — I used at least one bad word, so my reply will appear…. later. (I hope) 🙂
Hello Janice, Up next…
Be it resolved, Donald Trump can make America great again… pdf.
Real science can never be settled. The debate can never be finalised on real science. Only pseudoscience or fraudulent science can be called settled-the liars tactic of avoiding scrutiny.
We all know the UN should be more scientifically savvy, so it is highly suggestive that the UN itself is a fraud. Wait a minute, the UN is trying to gain control over the internet. Rather massive conflict of interest-the UN wants to control information – information that has been pre-ordained since it is supposedly settled.
The conclusion should be very clear by now- the UN is a FRAUD and was from the beginning-they always wanted control over us by promoting their own propaganda. The climate scam, which has no actual evidence whatsoever is a great conduit for deception. It preys on FEAR and GUILT-2 basic human emotions that are exploited frequently. LUST, SLOTH and GREED (especially those raking in money taxing air) are the other base emotions that can be exploited. Just look at the 72 virgins promise made to Jihadis.
If control over the internet occurs on October 1, freedom of speech and thus human freedom itself is gone.
We do indeed live in “interesting” times.
If CAGW were genuine, these people would welcome any debate or questioning as a method of getting their message across. They would welcome each and every contrary opinion as a means of counterpointing their message with scientific data.
However if it were not genuine, the CAGW proponents would attempt to shutdown such debate by stonewalling and diversionary logic, as seems to be the case here.
No, the issue is that to have a substantial impact on CAGW, we must begin taking action now. Countries, companies and the UN believe now is the time for action. Not everything in life can be debated until eternity.
Explain CAGW in layman terms.
There is no CAGW in evidence, Chris.
“There is no CAGW in evidence, Chris.”
Yes, there is: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/australias-2013-heatwave-due-to-climate-change-researchers-conclude-20140930-10o1sj.html
Might be time to take a look at the computer models for Hermine Mr Ban-ki Moon before you make such wild claims that question your judgement. These models which are only a few days have been horrible versus the actual track.
The science is not settled but your judgment is settled and it’s not pretty.i
Applause! GREAT argument, catcrackin’! Slam-dunk!
Janice,
Thanks, obvious accountability.
Let us hope. Funny how media fails to report the non-binding status of the Paris accord under US law. No it’s all the inevitability of history hype. Where have we heard this before.
When the giants in power (politicians) something yourself “screwed in the head,” then there is no normal who can confront them. They will realize its plan, despite all the sacrifices that will be found in that decision. And these solutions have never been neither logical nor humane, just to “tycoon” policies and wishes.
‘…The climate debate is over….’
Oh, right – so all those climate scientists can pack their belongings into an Iron Mountain box, and send their cv’s to Macdonald’s to see if they need any burger flippers….
For something that’s over, he sure likes to talk about it a lot.
And when a complete stranger tells you “trust me”, that’s often the last thing you should do.