Green Panic: "Deniers" may hold the Balance of Power in the Aussie Senate

Pauline Hanson

Pauline Hanson. By Dragons Abreast Australia – originally posted to Picasa as Pauline Hanson, Jenny Petterson, Michelle Hanton, Joanne Petterson, CC BY 3.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=12314595

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Greens are panicking in Australia in the wake of the recent cliffhanger Federal Election, as the likelihood grows that climate skeptic Pauline Hanson, who has repeatedly demanded a Royal Commission into Climate Change, will control the balance of power in the new Australian Senate.

Australia Is Being Swamped By Climate Change Deniers

With Pauline Hanson looking certain to return to parliament, there’s never been a worse time to be the Great Barrier Reef, writes Liz Conor.

Fellow Austraiyans. If you are reading me now it means that I have become murderous.

Murderously, apoplectically incensed.

Pauline Hanson appears to have picked up a spot in our Senate at the time of writing, possibly even two or more. She will represent Queensland in our House of Review, where our nation’s proposed laws are rejected or amended. And it’s not a three-year term. Unless Turnbull (potentially newly rolled into Prime Minister Morrison out of revenge for the LNP’s slashed majority) finds some other spurious reason to call a double dissolution, Hanson’s term is Six. Six. Six.

Hanson will make extravagant use of the Senate’s committee system, already proposing royal commissions into Islam and climate science. How in chrissname do you conduct an inquiry into one of the three major world religions? Imagine the terms of reference. Are there too many believers? Should they perform the pilgrimage to Mecca? Are Humans superior to Angels? Will the Australian Royal commission into erm, Islam require the seventh-century originals of its foundational documents be tendered – the Qur’an, hadith and tafsir?

And why does Hanson even have an opinion on climate science? Why are racists climate deniers? Does Hanson have doubts about enlightenment empiricism? Logical positivism? The verification of Authentic Knowledge? Or has she, like most climate deniers and obstructers, featherbedded her campaign with undeclared funds from fossil fuel conglomerates?

believe we are in danger of being swamped by Caucasians, tax evasions and Australasians. They have their own culture and religion, form ghettos, and do not assimilate.

We are bringing in people from Oxley at the moment. There was a huge amount coming to our polling booths, and they’ve got diseases, they’ve got BIAS.

Read more: https://newmatilda.com/2016/07/04/australia-is-being-swamped-by-climate-change-deniers/

It wasn’t supposed to be this way. Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, the climate enthusiast who toppled Australia’s former PM Tony Abbott, used a provision of the Australian Constitution to trigger a double dissolution election – a simultaneous election of both federal Senate and Representative seats.

Turnbull’s intention was to secure a clear mandate. But it all went wrong for him – the election turned into a massive backlash from former Abbott and Palmer United supporters, who defected in droves to minor parties like Pauline Hanson’s One Nation.

Unless Turnbull is really lucky, and the remaining uncounted votes go his way, Turnbull’s only real hope is to cling to power as leader of a fractious minority government, with “support” from people who despise him.

So who is Pauline Hanson? Hanson exploded onto the political scene in 1996, when she won the seat of Oxley in Brisbane on a tsunami of populist right wing revulsion at the unwavering political correctness of mainstream political parties. She is one of Australia’s most colourful and well known political characters. She has been repeatedly accused of racism because of her strong views about Islam and uncontrolled immigration. She was convicted of electoral fraud in 2002, but the conviction was overturned in 2003 on appeal.

Her return to politics, this time as a Federal Senator, in a likely pivotal political position, is being greeted with horror by greens and socialists who frankly have been having a very bad year, since the “high” point of the hollow Paris agreement.

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M Seward

I hate to disappoint but don’t get too enthusiastic. Hanson may be a skeptic or even a ‘denier’ but she is also a complete and utter moron i.m.o., a hick, a hillbilly, a nutjob, a nuff nuff, and will do the skeptic cause little good unless she shuts her ( infamous in Oz) mouth. She is a great cfree ontent provider for the airhead msm but that’s the end of her strong suit. Her long game is the next press conference or interview or getting on her hind legs and raving to the parliament.
That said, she does give the PC red brigades plenty of reflux so its an ill wind that blows no good.

JohnWho

Wait, you are implying that there is a “nutjob” that doesn’t support CAGW!?
I guess anything is possible.

aussiepete

Turnbull tried to pull the Country to the left but while he wasn’t looking, up jumped “Big Red” behind him and could well have the final say on the passage of legislation. Funny thing is Turnbull has already said that she was not welcome in Australian politics, so he now has to negotiate with her from the grovel position. She has more front than Macy’s and I think Mr timid Turnbull may find her more than a handful.

observa

Yep she’s a bit half baked but she does get right up the noses of our omniscient PC elites and their religion, so in that sense she’s good for taking the piss out of them by holding up a mirror to them all. It’s why they loathe and despise the democracy of her.

Gary Pearse

You aren’t capable of seeing this as good news and I feel sorry for you. Don’t you get it? How did Brexit happen, why is Donald Trump so popular? The REAL people voted for it!! Your marxbrothers’s education (of which you are unwitting) has lobotomized you to think “progressive”. The marksy folks aren’t in fact progressive at all. They always give their slogans an oxymoron flavor. Ever ask your self why the “Democratic” Republic of the Congo called itself that. Canada’s socialist party calls itself the New “Democratic” Party, the pre wall fall East German government called themselves the Deutchisch “Demokratisch” Republik. It’s because even they can see that they ain’t what they say they are. You designer brain types are like the Nile crocodile who, not knowing that the pesky biologists are trying to save them, are trying to bite their A55es off. Suspend belief and think for yourselves – the program can be reversed.

Gary Pearse

This was for the first few posters.

Farmer Ted.

Readers please note that “a bit half baked” means that she has not been corrupted by a university education. Pauline Hanson was in 1996 an enthusiastic Liberal Party token nominee in the safe Labor seat of Oxley in Queensland. She was a fish and chips shop owner.
She made some comments about PC unmentionable issues which were of concern to a great many ordinary Australian people. For this party leader John Howard loudly disowned her. The voters of Oxley showed whose side they were on by resoundingly voting her into the parliament.
For this she was hated and vilified by all sides. Her crime was to pinch a seat in the parliament from the major parties. She has over the years been bashed from pillar to post, but has stuck to her guns and now she is getting what Australia has owed her for 20 years. The last laugh. I expect she will be good value in the parliament.

Hilldweller

@Farmer Ted.
Damn straight! Pauline is PC-immune, something we could ALL do with. She makes mistakes like anybody else, but she actually, clearly and publicly states what she stands for, what she really believes, which is quite the contrary to the left. People will welcome a lack of diplomatic PC swill for the sake of truth. It is a matter of whether a person loves the truth in spite of himself or loves himself in spite of the truth. Pauline leans to the former, PC idiots lean to the latter.

Graham

You’ve been sucked in by the alarmist media here, M Seward, most notoriously the feral coverage by our debauched ABC. How would you expect a “denier” to be feted? What part of her policy, listed below, would you consider to be the work of anyone fitting your infantile and vile abuse?
“Hold a Royal Commission (or similar) into the corruption of climate science and identify whether any individual or organisation has misled government to effect climate and energy policy.
Remove all subsidies and financial advantages offered to the renewable energy industry and make them compete on an even playing field with other energy sources.
Support reliable, low-cost power generation. This has previously been Australia’s strongest competitive advantage.
Establish an independent Australian science body replacing the UN IPCC to report on climate science. It will be the beyond politicisation and be the basis of Australian policy on insurance and response to weather events.
One Nation will oppose all taxes levied on carbon dioxide, be it a flat carbon tax or a floating emissions trading scheme…
Abolish the Renewable Energy Target (RET) and support practical cost-effective research into energy efficiency, reliability and dependability.
Cancel all agreements obliging Australia to pay for foreign Climate Action and payment to the United Nations and foreign institutions…
Remove from the education system the teaching of a one-sided view of climate science. Teaching of climate science will begin in secondary school and will be based on the scientific method of scepticism until proven.”

TG

Graham. If she’s a nut job with that list policy’s, I’ll buy nut’s in 100Ib bags. She’s common sense on steroids, M Seward you seem to have brought a MSM narrative that is akin to character assassination, because she’s not left of Karl Marx and the socialist gang over at ABC.

Brett Keane

If the burr under her saddle is contempt for deceit, there are worse ailments.. Go Aussies!

Matthew Bruha

Unfortunately, those are about the only policies of hers that I agree with. Her others are quite contentious, but OT for this forum so will summarise it as being hard line anti-multicultural and hard line pro-assimilation

M Seward

Clearly someone else wrote up her climate policy position and I have little argument with it ( going on what you wrote) on philospphical grounds but try and get that lot through the Senate and see what happens, same as some of the LNP policies, such as fiddling with superannuation or medicare ( ie co payments) and you get set up to fail like Abbott and co.
Hanson is a racist moron imo given her over the top, wildly generalising statements regarding asians, Aboriginal Australians and now muslims. As for her climate science approach, good intentions but if anyone can stuff them up in the public eye, Pauline will and then where will we be?
As for my ‘MSM narrative’ and being sucked in to the ABC narrative, hardly. I just don’t see the benefit of having idiots being on my side of an argument ( i.e. in the case of say climate change), they give away free kicks to the opposition all the time. Look what happened to Abbott with his ‘Sir Prince Phillip’ thing. Royalists might have loved it but it flushed his broader cred down the toilet.

Another Ian

First
http://joannenova.com.au/2016/07/shocking-potential-senator-wants-to-teach-scientific-method-climate-scepticism-in-schools/#comment-1816752
Then here we go in the lamestream
“Truth about Hanson no.2’s wacky world view”
Courier Mail headline this morning – paywalled to me
http://www.couriermail.com.au/

dennisambler

Her climate partner is Malcolm Roberts, who has been trying to hold politicians’ feet to the fire for some time. He has done a tremendous amount of research on AGW politics and the presented science, he is not a crackpot.
Check out: http://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2016/07/pauline-hansons-mixed-bag/

Joe Ombud

What do you call Sarah Hanson Young.

Geoff Sherrington

SHY

Robert from oz

Snip uncalled for (removed by me )

Patrick MJD

“Robert from oz July 5, 2016 at 2:29 am
Snip uncalled for (removed by me )”
Funny, and clever! Only Aussies will get this!

Farmer Ted.

I don’t!

Menicholas

The details are less important than that she seems to know BS when she sees it.
A person does not need to be particularly sophisticated to know sh!t from shinola.

Barbara Skolaut

“A person does not need to be particularly sophisticated to know sh!t from shinola.”
Not only that, but it probably helps (if one is not “particularly sophisticated”).

george e. smith

People who think they are ” sophisticated ” usually are; and flaunt their sophistry with their noses held high.
G

ironicman

Hanson is the skeptics Joan of Arc and banning the burka in public should resonate.

JD

M Seward, you are wrong, stop reading left wing propaganda. She may not speak eloquently, but certainly not a moron. You should listen to the greens some time.

Krudd Gillard of the Commondebt of Australia

You are not correct. Please review your terms, they are snob put downs of a genuine grass roots politician.

Goldrider

Y’mean Down Under’s got their own Sarah Palin? 😉

Let’s see if I’ve got this right. You’re saying that bogans aren’t entitled to an opinion?

High Treason

Please note, the number two Senate candidate for One Nation in Queensland is Malcolm Roberts, who is an incredibly knowledgeable guy on climate issues. He basically wrote One Nation’s climate and energy policy.. If he gets in, whoever is climate minister is going to have a very rough time, especially if it is Greg Hunt. It is really good that Pauline will be able to sock it to them in her opening address to Parliament.
If you think Pauline is a hick, what about Sarah Hanson-Young?

Marcus

“Fellow Austraiyans. If you are reading me now it means that I have become murderous.”
Proof that some of these people should not be roaming around “unattended” !
Austraiyans ? Austrians ? Freudian slip ?

GregK

No mate
Quite a few Austraiyans have difficulty pronouncing the letter L
And Pauline Hanson may have a few kangaroos loose in the top paddock [maybe more than a few] but she is a focus for the politically and socially disillusioned. Not much different to many of those who voted for brexit or support Trump. Major political parties in the West have to accept that they are simply not addressing the concerns of their citizens.
People like Pauline Hanson “deny” climate change because it has become orthodoxy among inner city elites. That is sufficient, not because they have read widely and understand the the difficulties of the AGW proposition [the same could be said of many of the proponents of AGW].

observa

‘People like Pauline Hanson “deny” climate change because it has become orthodoxy among inner city elites. That is sufficient, not because they have read widely and understand the the difficulties of the AGW proposition [the same could be said of many of the proponents of AGW].’
Nails it and like I said she’s a mirror to them and their emotionalism producing their own unquestioned orthodoxy. They can’t understand how anyone running on emotion can be like that.
Science and good policymaking naturally rely on the right side of the brain, with healthy skepticism and an appreciation of part truths and the tradeoffs involved. Why right rationalists should decide what to collect in taxes and how to distribute it and leave leftist emotionalists to deliver it at the coalface with right oversight.

Bill Parsons

a few kangaroos loose in the top paddock…
I like that expression too much to not steal it outright. Unfortunately, it fits our leading Republican-in-waiting to a “T”.

Andrew Richards

There is nothing wrong with Hanson. She, like many people in Australia, the UK and the US are sick and tired of mainstream liberals with their insidious political correctness, support for mass migration of alien aggressive cultures and unwavering belief of anything they are told by the MSM on the telly and in the newspapers. That she can see the man made climate change scam for what it is – goes to her great credit.

Patrick MJD

Not only that Greg, it’s typically lazy Australian speak.

** Quite a few Austraiyans have difficulty pronouncing the letter L**
And at pronouncing anything very clearly. So much so, that the national language is sometimes referred to as Strine….. There is even a book on the language called Let Stalk Strine.

Barbara Skolaut

“Major political parties in the West have to accept that they are simply not addressing the concerns of their citizens.”
Accept, hell. They. Don’t. Care. >:-(

Farmer Ted.

The “loose kangaroos” term is copyrighted by the inner city elite, who have never seen a top paddock.
The word “Austraiyans” was first noted about 50 years ago by Professor Afferbeck Lauder in his publication, “Let Stalk Strine”.

Marcus

..GregK, The quote I referenced was from Liz Coner, talking ABOUT Pauline Hanson……See …
https://newmatilda.com/2016/07/04/australia-is-being-swamped-by-climate-change-deniers/
Pronouncing the letter L and typing are not the same ! Maybe it was a Typo ?

Jer0me

There is a version of aussie slang called ‘strine’. This is the ultimate contraction of the word ‘Australian’ by bogans (aka uneducated masses). I think this is a reference to that term, as hanson is a bit of a bogan herself.

Anthony Mills

I understand this is a fairly extreme right wing blog, and therefore many of the things written I will find distasteful. However, speaking approvingly of Pauline Hanson, whose sole appeal is racist (anti Asian, anti Muslim) is, I think, a step too far. If you want to push your agenda, associating with this individual is not going to help.

@Anthony Mills: I understand this is a fairly extreme right wing blog….
You do not understand much, then. We can safely discount anything else you write.

Joel Snider

Stephen Rasey: You have to understand people like Anthony Mills need to project upon their enemies qualities worthy of hatred.
It’s called stereotyping – with a heavy dose of rationalization. And it forgives them any and all tactics because they have assigned themselves the high moral ground.
An interesting exercise in circular logic if you don’t happen to be one of the targets for their organized campaigns of defamation and hatred.

David Bastable

“Asian” and “Muslim” are not “races”

george e. smith

I would say that “multiculturalism” and “anti-assimilation” are perfect synonyms for racism; the very essence of racism.
For example American, as it relates to the USA, is NOT a hyphenated word. You either are an American, or you are NOT an American.
Multiculturalism leads to balkanization.
Assimilation; does NOT equate to extinction.
The issue of ” islam ” as it relates to immigration , certainly in the USA, and likely elsewhere as well, is very simple; cut and dried.
EVERY legal would be immigrant to the USA, voluntarily signs a document asserting that they promise to obey the laws of the USA, and also to defend it, and it’s Constitution against ALL enemies, domestic and foreign.
If your culture approves and even encourages lying, as a means of advancing its cause, so you voluntarily signed such a statement, knowing full well that you have no intention of honoring that, and it is your intention to replace USA laws and our Constitution, with your own laws, that are quite incompatible with our Constitution, and our laws; then a rational person, would conclude that you are not a suitable candidate for admission to the USA as a new immigrant, and thereby displacing some other applicant who cherishes the thought of living under the Constitution of the United States of America, and enjoying its freedoms.
Frankly, I don’t care what your race or ethnicity or religious beliefs or other facets of your persona are, but if you can’t even honor and respect the wishes of the peoples who worked to make this country, the greatest enterprise for good, and truly the land of opportunity; then I believe you should be excluded from obtaining entry to a Nation you intend to destroy from within, if you get the chance.
G

Joel Snider

george e. smith: Basically, what you’re saying is that this is the process by which people are divided and segregated, specifically by skin color/ethnicity – just so long as under the surface there is total conformity of thought.
Purely superficial diversity, so to speak.

Objecting to Muslim atrocities is hardly an extreme position. Defending their behavior is , I would say, about as extreme (and stupid) as a viewpoint can possibly be.

Joel Snider

But that’s step-by-step how you defend extremism. By accusing the opposition of exactly that, thereby making your own extreme position simply a balancing counterpoint.
That way any ‘mediation’ is a constant ratcheting in your favor.

Mick Wenlock

Anthony, Anthony, Anthony are you honestly this thick? “racist (anti Asian, anti Muslim)”
When did Muslim become a “race”?
Hmm you sound a tad on the dense side of the bell curve.

A first time visitor drops multiple ad hominem’s including implying racism?
Yet totally without detail, facts, dates or actions? Baseless ad hominem’s in other words.
Asia, full of Asians and oddly enough, of many races.
How is referring to continental source location, in any way racist?
Again, a baseless fact less, truly slime filled inference.
Muslim? Race?
What/which race is that?
Turkish?
African?
Burmese?
Indian?
Arabian?
American?
English?
Or even Australian?
As others have already pointed out, Muslim is a belief system commonly known as religion.
Things you write, Mr. Mills, are without civilized flavor. You condescend without any evidence of superiority. You express hate without understanding and disparage others willfully; all without evidence or proof of any sort.
In doing so Mr. Mills, you surely identify what measure of man you are, clearly identifying what kind of person or human being you are, or have descended to.
Look on the bright side Mr. Mills; from your current level of humanity, you can only improve.

observa

“Muslim? Race?
What/which race is that?”
Indonesian if you know your demography-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country

Mario Lento

Uhm: yes AtTheoK, but he’s politically correct! I don’t need the sarc tag since I wholey agree with what you wrote. +10
Well said!

Menicholas

Is there a place to look up how many times a particular person has commented on this site?
just wondering how anyone can know for sure if someone is a first time commenter?

Jon

“observa
“Muslim? Race?
What/which race is that?”
Indonesian if you know your demography-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country
Quite so, and a few hundred years ago before they emerged from Arabia, “Muslim” was Caucasian only.
Hanson might be a few sandwiches short of a picnic, but so are the murderous (homicidal) Warmists.

@Menicholas

Is there a place to look up how many times a particular person has commented on this site?

Looks like around 12x to me:
https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fwattsupwiththat.com+“Anthony+Mills”

whiten

ATheoK
July 4, 2016 at 7:19 pm.
Muslim? Race?
What/which race is that?
Turkish?
African?
Burmese?
Indian?
Arabian?
American?
English?
Or even Australian?
As others have already pointed out, Muslim is a belief system commonly known as religion.
——————————————–
What about it been a clear open discrimination, a wide spread social discrimination, will the “technical” line of arguing that is not a clear proper racism make it any better or acceptable!!????
Trying to justify by any means possible a clear wrong doing and an unacceptable action or position, especially in regard of society and social affairs , regardless of politics of all of it, is simply immoral, an immoral behavior.
Considering other humans as lesser in light of their religious beliefs and their social position is discriminatory, is even worse when discrimination gets at the point of considering which religion is the better or the most acceptable one, is a certain divisive position which simply aides to further fractures and problems in societies… non civic at all.
cheers

Whiten:
You are twisting already broken logic.
George e. smith already responds to your kind of twisted racist logic above.

Marcus

So…In other words, she has you “Geeenies” shltting in your drawers ! ..1,000 stars for her !

ozspeaksup

lets hope she can manage to need them buy big on depends…by BLOCKING or outing this piece of aussie bastardry!
http://joannenova.com.au/2016/05/secret-deal-australia-already-has-an-ets-carbon-tax-starts-in-5-weeks/
sadly she isnt the brightest but shes honest and they hate that!
shes NOT PC what a refreshing change
the abc and upemselves hate her
prior she suggested that NO ONE ie the aboriginals getting benefits and handouts that other isolated rural dwellers didn’t
should not get more than others..which , was FAIR.
of course the social workers and those making a motza OFF bludging nice wages on public purse “assisting” the so called deprived to stay deprived…howled the roof down!
and out of the big cities and away from the social wporkers n bleeding hearts?
a hell of a LOT more people dont want many more asian immigrants and really dont want to see mid eastern faces moving in.
they do NOT integrate into our society we are expected to accept/be tolerant/accept taxes to allow them halal food etc they want to run around in burkas then go to a muslim nation where thats the acceptable norm
it is not in Australia
Pauline and others got a LOT more votes than normal cos people know Labors a pack of union mongrels in the main and they hand stuff out but at a HUGE later payback.
The Turn and the sidekick Termite (bishop) are strongly disliked..they knifed Abbott and it wont be forgotten.
the greens are bleating whining citycentrics ruining access to owned land and water use.
so the indys ARE the way we spoke up and hopefully denied the turd or shorty a majority

Farmer Ted.

ozspeaksup. As I remember it, her statements for which Howard dumped her were not that aborigines should get only the same as anybody else, but that the huge money which had been spent on this problem had not provided a relief from the problem. She did not say stop immigration, she said stop immigration until the high unemployment problem had been fixed.
Very different to what she was said to have said.

Eugene WR Gallun

Anthony Mills —
This is a fairly extreme right wing blog?? I have no doubt that Liz Conor’s rant was posted here for the humor of it.
I suppose you consider Liz Conor’s rant mainstream? She is squealing like a stuck pig — finally exposing the hatred that has festered in her all of her political life.
All “more holy than thou” left wingers KNOW that all people on the right are motivated by racism and bigotry. When the LEFT argues with the RIGHT if racist and bigot are not the first words out of the LEFT”s mouth they will certainly be the last.
Anthony Mills you are a left wing bubble boy.
Eugene WR Gallun

Menicholas

I have posited that the word “racism” will soon be stripped of it’s emotional power, and the reason is that it is simply being overused to such a degree, by so many people in so many circumstances, that it is on the verge of being meaningless. Actually this may have already occurred to some degree.

Um, near as I can tell, this blog has no ‘wing’ but is staunchly middle of the eagle. You do know Anthony drives an electric car and has solar panels, right? Also, if pressed very hard, I still could not tell you who he wants to vote for. About all I know is he is a ‘luke warmer’ who cares about thermometers. That is, a bit of a techno-geek.
Perhaps you are trolling overmuch … without doing enough homework first.
BTW, among my extreme right wing views are that the war on drugs was stupid and it was better when they were legal (I was around for some of that), that anything sexual is no business of the government (whatever combo floats your boat…), and that police and agency surveillance is way out of hand. Just in case you were thinking of calling me names too. (BTW, I’ve slow danced with a gay guy too… but beer was involved…) The stupidity that is the Global Warming Deception is non-partisan.

Stephen Reilly

I too think governments should give up on the Drug War. Have you read Johann Hari’s “Chasing the Scream”?

Janus100

Anthony Mills:
I own and operate 360kW solar array, here in Ontario.
I laugh all the way to the bank every month. It sure as hell pays better that pension after doing live-long engineering work for the benefit of the society.
But I t still does not preclude me from laughing at the green lunatics and I find a lot of good company here on this website.
Many people are amazingly knowlegible about the topics they write about here. (Keep up good work!)
So go ahead and call us right wing blog, we do not give a “Flying sexual intercourse”!
EOM

Gary Pearse

E.M. I’m with you on this all the way! I’ve never understood the rigid omnibus packages of the various political parties. I suspect such common sense views are well represented here. We seem to have dragged in the results of modern “core education” on this thread.

Lenny

Anthony, you understand very little indeed.

Obviously a majority of voters in her jurisdiction disagree with you.

You understand wrongly then.

AndyL

Most posts on here are written by people who do not bring their politics into their posts. Eric Worrall is an unfortunate exception.

saveenergy

A bird with a right wing flaps around in left hand circles, gets nowhere & steps in its own dung,
A bird with a left wing flaps around in right hand circles, gets nowhere & steps in its own dung,
Birds with both wings soar & see the big picture (& they have clean feet).

ClimateOtter

You don’t know turkey vultures then 😛
(I’ve had face-to-wing experience with turkey vultures. Long story)

Thomas Homer

Yes, as you’ve described, a country needs both strong, determined left and right wings to fly straight.
Even with a bird-brain in charge.

JohnKnight

Countries are not birds, and simply stating that two undefined “wings” are necessary for a country to function well is a lot like saying nothing, to me . . beyond the speaker being prone to accepting simplistic generalizations as wisdom.

David Smith

Islam is not a race.
It is however, an extremely backwards-looking ideology.

DredNicolson

Sometimes the direction of progress *is* backwards. Especially when being “forwards-looking” would ultimately send one over a cliff.

Bruce

Islam is NOT a race. Calling it so proves YOU are the racist idiot.

Alan Ranger

You confuse racism with concern over imported cultures which are damaging to the fabric of Australian society and the way of life we have developed to enjoy. Or maybe you just use the term like “nazi”, to try to dismiss any truth you can’t stomach facing.

craig

Anthony, ‘extreme right wing’, mate you are clueless about what is right and what is centre. Take your anti-intellectual, dumbed down, bogan thoughts over at ‘hot whopper’, I’m sure you’ll fit right in.

PA

However, speaking approvingly of Pauline Hanson, whose sole appeal is racist (anti Asian, anti Muslim) is, I think, a step too far.
That is very condescending of you.
Sweden has experience a 1400+ increase in rape since 1988.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape
“Forty years after the Swedish parliament unanimously decided to change the formerly homogenous Sweden into a multicultural country, violent crime has increased by 300% and rapes by 1,472%.”
It is long past time someone investigated if Islam is a religion, a political movement, or a form of mental contagion.
Hanson is on the right track.
Until we study the issue we won’t know.

Anthony Mills – You think that anti-muslim is racist, and yet you clearly think that Pauline Hanson is more stupid than you are, You obviously need help, so let me spell it out for you : Islam is a belief system, not a race. Opposition to islam is therefore not racism.

rapscallion

Oddly, muslim is not a race, and thus being anti-muslim cannot by definition be racist. Secondly, I really don’t see how WUWT is a “fairly extreme right wing blog” its either “fairly right wing” or “extreme right wing”, but not both. Actually, it’s neither of these things, hosting as it does papers from both sides of the AGW debate – but somehow you managed to get that wrong too.
Thinking and usage of English isn’t really your strong point is it?

SMC

Now that’s how you do a rant. Wow. The end of the world is nigh…for the Watermelons… I hope.

David A

In the mean time the US democratic party platform is giving the go ahead to legally pursue CAGW skeptics.

Menicholas

The problem for them is that, when laws are written, they need to use specific language.
And the specific language means that the climate liar warmistas will be the ones in the hot water.

Tom in Florida

David there is no democratic party in the U.S. It is the Democrat party. As you wouldn’t refer to Republicans as the Repbulicanic party neither should you refer to the Democrats as the Democratic Party. Of course Democrats love it when you do as the underlying impression is that they behave democratically and republicans do not.

TG

Good for Australia,good for the world. a Hansom win for the truth, Ms Hanson.

John Harmsworth

Unfortunately, we seem to need ranters sometimes, if that’s what Ms. Hansen is. They kick down the doors for the entry of new arguments, previously locked out of the room.

nigelf

It’s good to see in some areas at least that the people are rejecting the crap that we’ve been force fed.

Latitude

Seems this is backfiring on politicians all over the world…
BTW Islam is not a race….you can’t be racist
But you can take God out of everything in this country…while putting in foot baths and prayer rooms as fast as you can….very confusing

Marcus

Insanity of the liberal ideology !

Gary Hladik

Ultra drama queen Liz Conor writes,
“Fellow Austraiyans. If you are reading me now it means that I have become murderous.
Murderously, apoplectically incensed.”
Deep breath, LIz, count to ten, and read this by Willis Eschenbach:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/07/06/the-reef-abides-or-not/
Check out the references, too.

“Deniers” are the voice of reason – the last bastion of sanity.

Bill Posters

Flash, Flash, I love you, but we only have fourteen hours to save the Earth!

John Teisen

When does the countdown begin?

John Harmsworth

35 years ago! Lol

RockyRoad

It’s the Green version of Groundhog Day.

POQ

Hanson is a complex mix of ‘a take no enemies” patriot, a denier of everything she dislikes for reasons only she understands and a not very deeply thinking or well educated person. She is not the smartest possum in the tree. She is easy to hate or love. Dare I say it, but her electoral success is due to the appeal to the often emotionally driven half of the population with IQ’s below the average.
The idea of an investigation into climate change is just more political interference into science which is best left to science. Once again we see an unfortunate opinion that relies on a consensus by those least able to understand complex ideas and facts.
She is as much a problem as the climate alarmists she attacks. That is a lose, lose. Right cause; wrong reasons.
The only positive is that she may stop the waste of money on unproven climate science and the errant policies that flow from that. She will be Turnbull’s, Shorten’s and other politically correct adherents worst nightmare and for that alone she is lovable.

SMC

“Dare I say it, but her electoral success is due to the appeal to the often emotionally driven half of the population with IQ’s below the average. ”
That’s the kind of thinking that is getting the so called Progressives into so much trouble. Calling people ‘stupid’ in a holier-than-thou, condescending manner tends to piss a lot of folks off.

andy

We call them the “elites” here in Australia

Marcus

The smell of liberal elite desperation is getting quite nauseating ! ( can we classify that as a new type of POLLUTION ? ) :o)

POQ

I actually fully agree but I do love to stir. It does not change the fact that the general state of ignorance of many is prayed upon those who seek to advance their cause because they know how it can manipulate opinion. At least I am open about it and do hope it challenges people to get pissed off and then to start thinking impassionately and rationally. Dumb questions are easier to deal with than dumb mistakes. It’s a deliberate teaching tool, best delivered in person rather than just in writing.

SMC

Andy,
“Elites”, as I understand it, is a more general term and does not necessarily lend itself to labeling any particular political affiliation. There are Republican Elites and Democrat Elites, Liberal Elites and Conservative Elites, etc… Anyway, that’s my understanding of the term.

SMC

” It does not change the fact that the general state of ignorance of many is prayed upon those who seek to advance their cause because they know how it can manipulate opinion.”
True, that’s politics… Politicians generally don’t want people to be rational and impassionate. Politicians tend to get upset when folks point out they aren’t wearing any cloths.
Please don’t confuse ignorance and IQ, they may be related but they are not the same thing.

John Harmsworth

We’ve reached the point in the Western democracies where stupid leadership could hardly do worse than what we’ve had. Decades of ” the best and the brightest ” have accumulated trillions in debt and completely stalled economic development. And still all they have to offer is endless lies. You think a shake up might be in order? We need an earthquake!

Graphite

If you were genuinely clever, POQ, a dinkum elitist, you would not have written “prayed upon”.

Menicholas

*big smile, and guffaws of laughter, barely contained*

Bruce

It is actually the left and the climate Chicken Little’s that are preying on the low IQ crowd, trying to scare them into giving up prosperity to empower the Leftists.

JohnKnight

” At least I am open about it and do hope it challenges people to get pissed off and then to start thinking impassionately and rationally.”
You hope it challenges people to get pissed off? . . and then to start thinking impassionately? . . Pretty geeky attempt at human interaction, it seems to me, POQ ; )

Leonard Lane

POQ sounds to me that you are describing the radical leftists to a T “often emotionally driven half of the population with IQ’s below the average.

Greg

The idea of an investigation into climate change is just more political interference into science which is best left to science.

yeah, sounds great in principal, but when “97%” of the scientists are playing kindergarten politics instead of doing science, then we need a political investigation into malfeasance in science. That is long overdue.

+1000

Eugene WR Gallun

POQ
“Dare I say it, but her electoral success is due to the appeal to the often emotionally driven half of the population with IQs below average.”
Saying that tells me you have an IQ well below average and she does not appeal to you. You yourself are living DISPROOF of what you said.
Eugene WR Gallun

“Dare I say it, but her {Pauline Hanson’] electoral success is due to the appeal to the often emotionally driven half of the population with IQ’s below the average.”
By definition, half the voters are below average in intelligence and always have been.
So voter choice was more likely influenced by the failure of the political process by which Mr Turnbull ousted Mr Abbot. Maybe Mr Abbot was not a good leader, but it seems in retrospect that Mr Turnbull’s opinion of himself was grossly exaggerated.
We see the same phenomena in other countries where voters perceive that politicians of main parties act more in there own interest than for the people they are supposed to represent, but do not represent.
The problem does not arise if something can be gained by turfing out the governing party and replacing it with an opposition that has learned something from its most recent defeat.
But if neither main party learns from defeat, if neither main party listens to its supporters, then voters will turn to minor parties, which then become major parties.
It’s called democracy. We choose democracy not because it is a good form of government, but because all other systems are worse, as Winston Churchill once remarked.

Krudd Gillard of the Commondebt of Australia

How are you so clever, POQ, when all you are is a “Useful Idiot”?

Gary Pearse

POQ: Appeals to below average intelligence types! You “progressives” can’t have that. The job of shepherding manking is the job of our “betters”. This democracy stuff has got to go, huh? Did it ever occur to you and your friends that it is YOU who are the stupid ones? It’s you that has bought into the designer brain education put together by the marksbrothers of Europe. An idea is a personal work of art, not a manifesto put out by the elites that we adopt unwittingly (witlessly). It isn’t too late (I hope) to get started on your own thinking. It’s scary but exciting what can happen.

Alan Ranger

@POQ
“her electoral success is due to the appeal to the often emotionally driven half of the population with IQ’s below the average. ”
The low IQ brigade voted ALP because they believed the scare that Medicare was to be abolished… even after they were told it was a blatant lie… even by the leftist ABC! LOL
“an investigation into climate change is just more political interference into science which is best left to science.”
More appropriate would be an investigation into why something that should be entirely in the hands of science has been hijacked into the exclusive domain of politics.

JohnKnight

“The idea of an investigation into climate change is just more political interference into science which is best left to science.”
That, to me, is basically saying that those who have already made science utterly (and menacingly) political, ought not be questioned or challenged. Please explain why mere mortals ought not see scientists as fellow mere mortals, some of whom (at the very least) ought not be trusted anymore than anyone else?

John Teisen

Pauline Hanson’s One Nation Party got more votes nation-wide than the Greens in the House of Representatives vote. Unfortunately they were scattered over the nation and no one got elected. In contrast the Greens got one seat in the House of Reps because the concentration of tree-hugging latte sippers is particularly high in inner city Melbourne. Also the Greens are expected to win 9 Senate seats which will do the nation no good but the media will love it. They are mortified over one Senate seat for Pauline Hanson and care not that they lost one Senate seat. May they lose them all next time round.

“Pauline Hanson’s One Nation Party got more votes nation-wide than the Greens in the House of Representatives vote.”
Completely untrue. The lastest AEC count is here. Greens 1,101,271 votes, One Nation 141,272.

John Teisen

OK. I accept your admission that I was wrong with respect to the House of Representative.
However, One Nation did score more votes in Queensland Senate (136,000 to 112,000) which is what I should have said in the first place.
Sorry about that. Not a good look on a web-site devoted to scientific discovery. Humble pie next on the menu followed by egg on face – special Chinese recipe. 🙂

LdB

They are still both minorities 9% and 1.27% and both toxic as hell to the majority of voters hence there percentages.

LdB

We actually need a 3rd party with decent policies. I guess Nick Xenophon is trying to do that but he is very SA state based in his views.

Farmer Ted.

Who remembers the platform that Nick Xenophon used to get himself elected the first time? Nobody?
It was to abolish poker machines. I am not aware of any reduction in poker machines. Gambling generally seems to have increased greatly since.

Marcus

…When the climate STOPS changing, THEN we should start worrying !

PA

Well, I don’t believe Hanson is a climate denier. I haven’t seen any quote where she says climate doesn’t exist, but I don’t follow Australian news very closely.

Hello, while not a believer in any of the Worlds faiths, I do like to quote the saying from the Christian Bible, “As ye sow, so shall ye reap”
We the people have been told by our “Betters” who are laughtly referrred to as “The progressesives” all of the politically correct rubbish that they seem to believe in, and while I have no objection to any persons “Beliefs” I do object to when they try to force such beliefs onto the rest of us.
As for the myth of Climate Change, well we the “People” already know that weather or climate is always changing and always will. As for the good gas CO2, the idea that it alone, and not the mighty Sun has anything to do with the worlds climate is simply laughable.
So when our “Betters” try to use it to scare the populations and we the people blow them a very political Rasberry, they should not be suprised, but of course they are and now tell they tell us that we got it all wrong..

Mark from the Midwest

Brexit, now this … soon, before we know it, the sane people will have taken control of the asylum …….

Grey Lensman

How does Labour go from extinction, to most seats in a single election cycle? Australia is a massive country with a tiny population, very few real problems. Why dont they fix them rather than let the Tiny green minority dictate to them. Most expensive power and most expensive food and most expensive housing, how and why.

Heard in the queue ‘I don’t like either of the major parties, guess I’ll vote green” ..
Since the media here that I watch have only given airtime to Libs, Labs and Greens I guess that’s all people were carrying in their heads as they went to the poll – We can’t expect folk to actually research the parties or read their charters.. that would cut into their relaxin’ time !
Jean Monnet may have blamed democracy for the rise of the monsters in Europe in the past but I fear he overlooked the simple fact that democracy doesn’t automatically mean *everyone* got a vote – thrusting democracy on people will often lead to the election of monsters. People who can’t be bothered or who don’t understand the system will invariably vote for a ‘strong leader’.. often one who promises to look after them, much like a benevolent deity.
Democracy would work a lot better if people actually earned the right to vote – by serving their country or at least passing some sort of test so they at least demonstrate an understanding of what their country is, and how their country and government function (.. at least be able to differentiate between state and national levels!)

Graphite

Or perhaps, Karl, if they were property owners, or had a certain amount of money in the bank, or had an income above a certain level, or had a minimum standard of education, or belonged to a service club, or had a proper dress sense, or well-trimmed hair, or clean fingernails, or, I don’t know, were just nice.

Menicholas

I understand what he means, although there is no good solution.
The idea that some irrational fool who knows diddly-squat about a single issue can cancel out the vote of the most informed and rational person in the country, should be worrisome to anyone paying attention.
Some parties are very good at wrapping up the low information voters.

Menicholas

I should have said “no easy solution”.
Having everyone well informed is a good solution.

I was thinking more of the old Greek and English principles.. vote =served the country as in ‘military service’ – the same thing that kept suffragettes from the vote when they first asked for it, almost got it then balked when they realized it meant women could be conscripted into military service.
As opposed to the forcing of Russian and German peasants who didn’t even know that they lived in a ‘country’, let alone what the heck each candidate stood for.. or those prodded into polling booths by a leery great thug clutching a truncheon.
We let people drive when they have passed a test, we let them perform invasive operations after they have sat exams and proved themselves – heck you need to pass a test to operate a plate compactor these days – but vote? nah.. everyone gets to pick whoever looks nice, is in the same club as the candidate, has proper dress sense or I don’t know, was just nice 😉

“Democracy would work a lot better if people actually earned the right to vote – by serving their country or at least passing some sort of test so they at least demonstrate an understanding of what their country is, and how their country and government function (.. at least be able to differentiate between state and national levels!)”
Fairly good brochure section for a fascist party. Suggest you read some history of 20th century Europe.

Eugene WR Gallun

Karl
Science fiction writer Robert A, Heinlein book STARSHIP TROUPER posits a future where only those who have military service have the right to vote. You earned that right through service. (It was written about five years after the Korean War.)
Unfortunately the Left turned it into a movie where the entire earth became one big fascist state. The earth started the Bug War by trying to hem in the Bugs by colonizing worlds ideal for the Bugs — but at best marginal for humans. (You know, the same way we forced Japan to attack Pearl Harbor, by cutting off our trade after they raped Nanking.)
The Left thinks that is what soldiers do — start wars. I guess soldiers just like getting killed.
Eugene WR Gallun

@Karl

Democracy would work a lot better if people actually earned the right to vote

How about disenfranchising government employees–wholly or maybe just dividing their votes by two? It’s a blatant conflict of interest for public workers to be able to vote for candidates who can raise their wages and fringe benefits. Or against candidates who will hold their compensation to levels comparable to those in the private sector, and reduce or eliminate employment in functions that don’t really contribute to the general welfare.

Graphite

Karl. I lived in Australia for seven years, voted in at least two, maybe three, federal elections and a couple of state elections. My first two children were born there, I was a taxpayer and I barracked for the Australian cricket team (except when they played New Zealand).
Where this comes from . . .
“As opposed to the forcing of Russian and German peasants who didn’t even know that they lived in a ‘country’, let alone what the heck each candidate stood for.. or those prodded into polling booths by a leery great thug clutching a truncheon.”
. . . I have no idea.
Check a calendar. It’s 2016. And do some research. It’s Australia; almost as civilised and well-educated a country as the gold standard New Zealand.

Patrick MJD

“Graphite July 5, 2016 at 3:21 am
Karl. I lived in Australia for seven years, voted in at least two, maybe three, federal elections…”
How did you do this without being a citizen?

Graphite

Patrick MJD
I went to Australia, from New Zealand, in 1969. At that time there was a common border; i.e., you got on a plane in Auckland and disembarked in Melbourne or Sydney without the need for a passport.
I left in 1976; again there was no need for passports.
While I was there I filled in all the forms that were presented to me and along the way I enrolled in the electoral system.
Part of my pension is paid by the Australian government, so I guess they found me on their books as a taxpayer. I know I paid taxes the whole time I was there. Most certainly, I was a citizen.
In general, I like Australia and Australians and have been back a few times but, in the things that interest me, it’s a rung below New Zealand.

Graphite.
“As opposed to the forcing of Russian and German peasants who didn’t even know that they lived in a ‘country’, let alone what the heck each candidate stood for.. or those prodded into polling booths by a leery great thug clutching a truncheon.”
– This came from descriptions by Russians and Germans, post WW1 who wrote accounts of how they didn’t understand this ‘democracy stuff’ and just wanted to be left alone in their villages or on their farms.
I am 6th gen Australian, a West Australian descendant of ‘the capitalists’ (ie, paid to come here, bought land and invested in infrastructure) and I’m aware what year it it. I also know people who voted against the federal Libs because they didn’t like the State Lib leader and when it’s explained to them dismiss it with a wave ‘oh I don’t understand all that stuff, I just HATE Colin!’, and the person who asked which one was the president.. pfff. OK I went to universty, I also joined the navy out of a sense of serving the country – I’d love a non-military national service to build a sense of community.. A friend who spent 18 years on the dole rather than work eventually got a job in the council laying paving – you should have seen the pride in his eyes when he pointed out some of the stuff he’d done – and his sense of community – man did that change 🙂
Frederick I recognize fascism in Australia today, sure – if this is in the least bit true . Ownership of essential services by government, private enterprise free to conduct business, social security, freedom to vote, nationalism .. it looks a heck of a lot like fascism and a lot less like socialism or pure capitalism.
I’ve read quite a bit on the early 20C and it was a surprise to me to read accounts of how rejected democracy was, and how this led to the rise of Stalin, Adolf, Musso and other socialist ‘leaders’ – as a person raised being taught democracy was for the people I couldn’t believe others wouldn’t want it. Took a while for me to see the ‘our team, their team’ mentality though, and not much longer for me to become jaded.

Graphite

OK, Karl, you’ve been to university and read a lot of stuff about the early twentieth century and you were in the Australian Navy. So what?
If your flash education and sense of duty have led you to see a connection between “the forcing of Russian and German peasants . . . prodded into polling booths by a leery great thug clutching a truncheon” and a modern democratic election and brought you to the conclusion that democracy should involve some sort of entry-level test, then I’ll say your study and service were wasted.
I’m also wondering, do you reckon sixth-generation Australians should have a weighted vote, making their ballot more powerful than that of a first- or second-generation Australian?

Graphite
(sigh) No Dear Sir, I was reflecting on Monnet – the ‘father of the EU’s post war view that democracy was something that should be eradicated – for failing Europe by seeing the election of monsters .. His solution to dictatorial left wing leaders was a MORE left wing policy of eliminating democracy altogether and installing a ruling elite directly. MY reflection on this was that this is absurd, although my reading on the origins of democracy revealed it did not automatically include everyone .. and I saw merit in a system that treated voting as a privilege rather than the confusing annoyance some seem to treat it as.
We all know the left reduced the voting age from 21 to 18.. I also hear that the anti-Brexit crew wanted the voting age reduced to 16.. why would that be- Is that reasonable?
Maybe some need reminding that voting is not optional here, it’s a criminal offense to fail to vote – OK maybe military service being a prerequisite rubs people a bit – you know, the whole potential for dying for one’s country.. but at least we could accept that optional voting would be better than taking the votes of the many people who do not understand what the heck is going on?

Frederick I recognize fascism in Australia today, sure – if this article is in the least bit true *. Ownership of essential services by government, private enterprise free to conduct business, a good functional social security system, freedom to vote and raise matters, a healthy nationalism .. What do you think – it looks a heck of a lot like fascism and a lot less like left socialism or pure capitalism to me?
* I believe I originally came across this enlightening article here on WUWT

Patrick MJD

“Graphite July 5, 2016 at 5:23 am”
That would explain it. The residency status of New Zealanders changed in February 2001 to temporary (444 subclass visa), thanks to Helen Clarke who now has a cushy job at the UN.

Graphite

Well, Karl, what Monnet and those peasants have to do with your argument is still beyond me and you’re still keen on the idea of some sort of qualifying standard being set before the right to vote is granted.
Had your ideas been in force in my parents’ time, both would have fallen short — my father had one year of secondary education and my mother’s schooling ended at primary school. My son was the first person in my family — and that takes in all my cousins on both sides and all their children — to attend university. Of my son’s generation, only one other member of the extended family graduated from university, and she has a degree so Mickey Mouse it’s embarrassing.
So that cuts out me, my sisters and all our cousins and most of our offspring.
Two nieces married guys who spend their teenage years and early twenties in the RNZN, but the idea that they were putting their lives at risk to serve the nation is laughable. They’d have been in more danger working as truck drivers or builder’s labourers. And I’m guessing that your time in the Australian Navy was equally risk-free.
I’m named for my mother’s brother, a guy who’s buried in a Commonwealth War Cemetery outside of Tripoli, where he died in November 1941. If you’d put the notion to him in the 1930s that he and his labouring mates weren’t intellectually up to the task of casting a vote, he’d have told you, I’m sure, where to shove your toffee-nosed nonsense about university study and “service” — and quite possibly given you a fat lip for your trouble.
You are, in short, a drongo.

The bit about uni and military service omitted a section in my copy paste – the bit that I was met witrh a wide eyed ‘why join the military’ from leftist uni friends who told me to leave that job for the morons.
Sure my great grandfather fought, my father did not and despised both uni students, scientists, academics and military types and tossed me out of the house at 17 – my toffee nosed life was one of working and paying my own way from age 15 – my uni study was driven by a deep interest in chemistry and biology. The navy gig was in respect to of my grandfather who felt every man should serve the country that serves them.
if you’d like to discuss rather than generating argument I’d be happy to share alternate points of view but keep your insults to yourself – I do not know you, and you know not of I. BTW, all that was cut short when at the age of 25 I stepped in to prevent someone getting seriously injured or killed and suffered instead – so the last 25 years largely unable to work – oh.. and collect not one cent from the governments purse or any form of pension. I continuing my studies at my own rate, and I still serve by not being a sponge..
Could you and your mentioned family have learned enough about the government to know the difference between a state and a federal election?

Graphite

OK Karl, you win. I’ll talk to my Catholic friends and see if they’ll put you up for sainthood.
In the meantime, your question about knowing the difference between state and federal elections doesn’t apply in New Zealand as we have a unicameral system of national government and the provinces didn’t survive the 19th century. But the division of Australia into states is well understood by most Kiwis and especially by my family — next Wednesday they’ll be gathering around their televisions to cheer on either Queensland or NSW in the final match of this year’s State of Origin series. It’ll be the big topic of conversation all week.
As for the reaction of your “leftist uni friends” to your decision to join the navy, how is that relevant to any point of the discussion at hand — your assertion that there should be qualifying standards for voters. I’ve known plenty of service personnel; my navy mates joined because they liked the sea, it was a steady job, they learned a trade — none of them are pretentious enough to kid anyone they were “serving the nation”; and as for their lives being in danger, you have to be joking.
Also not relevant to the discussion is any misfortune that you met at the age of 25, nor is your staying off the government teat. I draw a government pension — should that disqualify me from voting?
The bottom line is, democracy works best when everyone has the vote. Start putting up barriers and you’re letting fascism slip in by the back door.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/1997-11-01/rise-illiberal-democracy
OK – I said that Post WWII was a time when a lot of people reflected on democracy and wondered how it could have led to WWII – seems this is still being evaluated .. (Karl Popper maintained any system at all was a viable one, as long as it could be changed)
“Freedom House’s 1996-97 survey, Freedom in the World, has separate rankings for political liberties and civil liberties, which correspond roughly with democracy and constitutional liberalism, respectively. Of the countries that lie between confirmed dictatorship and consolidated democracy, 50 percent do better on political liberties than on civil ones. In other words, half of the “democratizing” countries in the world today are illiberal democracies.
Illiberal democracy is a growth industry. Seven years ago only 22 percent of democratizing countries could have been so categorized; five years ago that figure had risen to 35 percent.
(looks like there’s a few other people you’d classify as stupid morons who are looking at why democracy is serving governments better than it’s serving the people)

Fred of Greenslopes

Out of a nation of 23 million, over a million of voting age voted Green. Not such a Tiny majority. With people in real jobs a minority, where more than half the work age population are government employees or welfare recipients who benefit from the socialist left, and even the ‘Conservative’ leader is left leaning, no wonder we are in such a mess.

Patrick MJD

There was a very good documentary about the future of jobs in Australia, basically, with automation, outsourcing and offshoring, there will be fewer and fewer real, full-time, jobs for Australians to fill. What will likely happen is more and more part-time, casual and thus, insecure jobs will back-fill. I don’t hold much hope for the youth of this nation who owe thousands of dollars in HECS (College) fees with no way to pay it back from a job in Australia.

PA

The one million Green vote indicates the primary problem with mandatory voting. The uniformed real idiots who wouldn’t other vote are forced to vote for someone. Bad judgment and willful ignorance explain the almost significant Green vote.

Patrick MJD

“PA July 5, 2016 at 12:36 am
The one million Green vote indicates the primary problem with mandatory voting.”
Actually voting, ie, marking the ballot paper with your candidate/party preferences is NOT mandatory. The ONLY mandatory requirement is to REGISTER to vote. Something the lead singer from the band Midnight Oil blatantly ignored, and yet, he did become an MP. Once you have done that, you can do what you like with the ballot paper.
Democracy happens once every 3 or so years in Australia. And given the fact that, for the most part over the last 3 elections, the results have been so close suggests to me voter apathy and the recognition our “leaders” simply are not listening. The rest of the time we live in a dictatorship Turnbull, Rudd and Gillard are perfect examples of that.

LdB

WOW you got a whole 1 million votes .. Clive Palmer got 709,035 back in the 2013 election.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_federal_election,_2013
We all know how that ended but shows it doesn’t take much to get 1 million votes.

LdB

Some of us would say the Greens are 30% better liars and charlatans than Clive but hey that is just an opinion.

James

Voting is compulsory in Australia. This means that once you are on the electoral roll, you are supposed to show up and get your name crossed off, and then put the ballot in the box. You may vote informal. I suspect that this helps minor parties such as the greens to get a protest vote, and in a proportional representation senate, it gets them, plus other minor parties the balance of power.
The Prime Minister who won last time, only lasted about 2 years. One of his biggest blunders was to bring back the knighthood, and the award a knighthood to Prince Phillip. This contributed to his demise, and the leadership spill, and Turnball.

Alan Ranger

No deep philosophical political science discussion required here. The ALP came up with a quick & dirty scare during the electioneering phase – one of many, as all political parities do during electioneering. It was quickly dismissed for the cheap lie that it was. BUT it stuck with many as being true. You could see the look of amazement on Billy Shorten’s face on election night that it had actually worked!
The quick & dirty answer to your question is that there is a very significant number of very dumb people who vote in Australia. Little wonder the left is so terrified of getting rid of compulsory voting, like the rest of the world’s western democracies have done!

commieBob

Are Humans superior to Angels?

Yes. In many ways, people are superior to angels. For instance, people obey Pauli’s exclusion principle.

It has been shown that the Pauli exclusion principle is responsible for the fact that ordinary bulk matter is stable and occupies volume.

Thomas Aquinas demonstrated that as many angels as necessary could dance on the head of a pin.

He reminds us that we must not think of angels as if they were corporeal, and that, for an angel, it makes no difference whether the sphere of his activity be the point of a needle or a continent link

So, angels are scofflaws whereas people invariably obey the laws of physics. Therefore people are morally superior to angels.

Alan Robertson

Angels are not scofflaws. Angels all carry swords and brook no scofflaws.

commieBob

You make angels sound like Al Gore and David Suzuki et al.

schitzree

Commie Bob
Angel’s fall. ○¿●

John Harmsworth

Please explain the connection between morality and physics, Bob! On the other hand I don’t really give a quantum crap! It’s getting late and there’s the risk you might write something worth reading!

commieBob

Sorry about that. 🙂 I was just trying to parody the Summa Theologica of Thomas Aquinas.
Aquinas tried to prove things by using Aristotle. It’s really hard to follow in places because Aristotle thought about physics differently than we do. For instance, a feather clearly falls slower than a cannon ball. Therefore heavy objects fall faster than light objects.
IMHO, people well versed in Newtonian mechanics should avoid Aquinas.

Eugene WR Gallun

commiebob
Mark Twain had some things to say about this. He left behind some uncompleted manuscripts when he died. These were bolloxed into a book called The Mysterious Stranger (if I remember correctly). My grandmother gave me a Complete Works Of Mark Twain for Christmas when I was pre-teen. I read The Mysterious Stranger and it was unsettling. It was so different from everything else Twain had written.
Because it is a compilation of a couple of manuscript (with connecting passages added) The Mysterious Stranger is no longer considered to be a work of Twain. But you can get a good idea of who Twain considered superior — and it wasn’t the all powerful and inherently sinless angel.
Eugene WR Gallun

commieBob

Now that’s interesting. There’s a wiki article. There’s a movie. I can’t tell if it’s been released yet.
All I know about the story comes from the wiki article. Mark Twain struggled with this story, which probes the great unanswered questions which have been asked by philosophers for thousands of years. Do we even exist? Here’s an ancient Chinese example of the question.

Once upon a time, I, Chuang Chou, dreamt I was a butterfly, fluttering hither and thither, to all intents and purposes a butterfly. I was conscious only of my happiness as a butterfly, unaware that I was Chou. Soon I awaked, and there I was, veritably myself again. Now I do not know whether I was then a man dreaming I was a butterfly, or whether I am now a butterfly, dreaming I am a man.
link

Unsurprisingly, Twain wasn’t satisfied with any of the answers. Here’s Twain’s version of the butterfly story.

It is true, that which I have revealed to you; there is no God, no universe, no human race, no earthly life, no heaven, no hell. It is all a dream—a grotesque and foolish dream. Nothing exists but you. And you are but a thought—a vagrant thought, a useless thought, a homeless thought, wandering forlorn among the empty eternities!

If you get too philosophical you run the danger of falling into nihilism. As Mark Twain undoubtedly discovered, it’s a nasty place.

Alan Ranger

So angels are bosonic?

I did see in the US news that Abbott had lost, apparently, but none of the secondary details. Leftists tend to call “racist” anyone who rejects identity politics–i. e. anyone not a racist.

isn’t amusing how the critics on the left often adopt the personality they reject without seeing their hypocrisy? Leftists often project and call right wingers racist for rejecting race as a classification system. For example in Oz the One Nation party proposed treating all Australians the same irrespective of race or colour – the left calls this ‘racist’ and wants to identify races as separate. ON rejects multiculturalism and wants Australians to be one homogeneous nation, but the left prefers cultures to be different and distinct – separate even. I see this too in the left rejecting traditional religions as being patriarchal, mocking the worship of deities – but then they create a ‘mother’ earth.. Gaia – who needs to be worshiped, penances paid to this fragile entity. Wanting more women in Parliament, they quota women into positions..
It’s all just part of the long line of doing what is best for the the masses – like their eugenics policies carried out by the national socialists in Germany, Stalin’s socialists, Cambodia, China and elsewhere – culling the inferior of the benefit of mankind. dehumanizing humans for the benefit of humans…

It’s called Projection, and in the Left it’s institutionalised.

Eugene WR Gallun

Tom Halls — Well said. — Eugene WR Gallun

PA

Well…
It is too late to save the rats on that football-field-sized island.
I guess being green is pointless. Apparently that occurred to a lot of Australians..
Hope the US shows as much sense in our election.

SMC

A United Airlines 747 captain tries to make light banter with Sydney, Australia, Approach Control …
Captain: “Good morning, Sydney, this is United XXX, we’re 50 miles out and have your island in sight …”
Approach: “Roger, United … you’re cleared to circle the island twice, then it’s okay to land.”

SMC , there goes another keyboard, thanks for the laugh ( but I hope flight XXX had lots and LOTS of fuel!)

Eugene WR Gallun

SMC — Great joke. — Eugene WR Gallun

george

Isn’t it wonderful and about effing time.<:o)

Smart Rock

Liz Conor, a truly memorable rant. Perhaps the angriest rant I’ve ever seen. We need people like her on the sceptical denialist side of the divide.

JohnWho

“Green Panic: “Deniers” may hold the Balance of Power in the Aussie Senate”
Assuming this is true, perhaps it explains why those who say they will leave the county (US) if Trump wins, do not say they will be going to Australia.

Nor of late, will they head for the UK.

RBom

Can any government survive without killing its populaces in mass?
Kill La Kill

The problem with Greenies is their extreme ignorance of the facts of science, coupled with an unhealthy dose of anti-White racism..

…But then with the Green refusal to let the third world procure cheap energy, they also embrace black and brown-skinned racism as well.

Stephen Reilly

I would be willing to bet my house that One Nation’s climate policy (see below) was not written by Pauline Hanson but by Malcolm Roberts, a person who really knows what he is about and handles himself very well in all company. He was number two on Pauline’s senate ticket in Queensland and, unfortunately, as of current counting, he is not going to get a quota and therefore will not be in the senate to carry on the battle. So … I predict that when the media starts asking for detail Pauline is going to stuff it up. What a shame.
Hold a Royal Commission (or similar) into the corruption of climate science and identify whether any individual or organisation has misled government to effect climate and energy policy.
Remove all subsidies and financial advantages offered to the renewable energy industry and make them compete on an even playing field with other energy sources.
Support reliable, low-cost power generation. This has previously been Australia’s strongest competitive advantage.
Establish an independent Australian science body replacing the UN IPCC to report on climate science. It will be the beyond politicisation and be the basis of Australian policy on insurance and response to weather events.
One Nation will oppose all taxes levied on carbon dioxide, be it a flat carbon tax or a floating emissions trading scheme…
Abolish the Renewable Energy Target (RET) and support practical cost-effective research into energy efficiency, reliability and dependability.
Cancel all agreements obliging Australia to pay for foreign Climate Action and payment to the United Nations and foreign institutions…
Remove from the education system the teaching of a one-sided view of climate science. Teaching of climate science will begin in secondary school and will be based on the scientific method of scepticism until proven.

Crowbar of Daintree

Yes Stephen Reilly, I believe you are correct about Malcolm Roberts. He ran for parliament in 2013 as the Climate Skeptics Party without luck. I voted for him this time. Still an outside chance given the complex Senate preferential voting system.
Stephen’s comment (above) does not make it clear that his para. 2 onwards is the One Nation Party’s Climate Policy. I wholeheartedly agree with all of it.

Stephen Reilly

Yes, thanks Crowbar. When I read my comment ‘as posted’ I realized I should have put a heading above my copy and paste.

RH

Dear Liz, your tears are delicious and your squeals are music to my ears.

gnomish

Dear Liz- it’s the Sympathy Hotline calling for you- guess who it is. Nobody.

lee

A commenter, Green persuasion on another site, says Hanson wants an RC on AGW, and calls it an attack on the periodic Table.

lee

RC- Royal Commission

An attack on the periodic table? What the…? I tell ya, they’re all crazy!

Now that is a real change in the weather, ” “Australia Is Being Swamped By Climate Change Deniers” “. Would that be considered a downpour? Sounds unprecedented to me.

Reed Coray

That would be considered a “downpoor.”

This the first time I have read this in its entirety:
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html
I think it may relate…

SMC

A good read.

Well, it’s the 4th of July here in the states. Independence Day….

Krudd Gillard of the Commondebt of Australia

Happy 4th of July to you from an Aussie ally.

J. Philip Peterson July 4, 2016 at 8:08 pm
This the first time I have read this in its entirety:
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html
Declaration of Independence
That’s why we Protestants believe that when we die, and are taken by angels to go be with the Lord forever, that we are first met in heaven by 70 Virginians.
Happy Independence Day to all. (:

Eugene WR Gallun

Zeke — You have a somewhat twisted way of thinking that I applaud. — Eugene WR Gallun

Now I feel sufficiently punished for having punned.
That’s good!

saveenergy

I thought it was a 70yr old virgin

BallBounces

“How in chrissname do you conduct an inquiry into one of the three major world religions?”
For starters, by not blaspheming the name associated with the faith that proclaims the best news humans will ever hear.

I think Islam is more of a political movement than a religion.

Ask how many cities were bombed or how many innocent people were shot in its name in the last month. Ask how many times its key religious text says it is approved to lie to non-believers and kill or enslave those who are non-believers. Read the koran… it is enlightening. ..

David A

In general there are two primary source documents for Islam, the Koran and the Hadith. Both contain very violent passages, but the Hadith is far more radical. Alas, very few Imans outright reject the Hadith, (Which was written after the Koran and is likely the primary source of violent Jihad) and format a purely “internal spiritual battle” interpretation of the Koran passages, thus for them “submit or die” becomes an internal struggle to surrender to the laws of the Divine, or spiritually die from lack of attunement to Allah. Those Imams who promote this “internal Jihad only perspective” all have death Fatwa’s (legalized Islamic jurisprudence death sentences) issued against them.
Islam, in its current form, is fundamentally not compatible with the US constitution due to Sharia law as practiced and interpreted by hundreds of millions of the worlds 1.4 or so billion Muslims. Islam in this sense is not just a religion but a geo-political force, the very foundation of which is to convert the world and set up political structure based on Sharia law.
As such without formal rejection of existing and formally practiced Islamic teaching and jurisprudence it would be entirely legal to refuse Muslim immigration and monitor and close many Mosques which teach ideals that are fundamentally and provably sedition.
It is not prejudice, but common sense to reject a foreign legal system demanding second class citizenship for women and non Muslims, for setting up Islam as the only state, for advocating murder of those citizens who do not accept second class status and who are gay, and who advocate and practice F.G.M.

David A July 4, 2016 at 9:43 pm: “In general there are two primary source documents for Islam, the Koran and the Hadith.”
I hope we aren’t ignoring the histories of it’s origination (the time and place), nor the history of the people involved.

David A

In general there are two primary source documents for Islam, the Koran and the Hadith. Both contain very violent passages, but the Hadith is far more radical. Alas, very few Imans outright reject the Hadith, (Which was written after the Koran and is likely the primary source of violent Jihad) and format a purely “internal spiritual battle” interpretation of the Koran passages, thus for them “submit or die” becomes an internal struggle to surrender to the laws of the Divine, or spiritually die from lack of attunement to Allah. Those Imams who promote this “internal Jihad only perspective” all have death Fatwa’s (legalized Islamic jurisprudence death sentences) issued against them.
Islam, in its current form, is fundamentally not compatible with the US constitution due to Sharia law as practiced and interpreted by hundreds of millions of the worlds 1.4 or so billion Muslims. Islam in this sense is not just a religion but a geo-political force, the very foundation of which is to convert the world and set up political structure based on Sharia law.
As such without formal rejection of existing and formally practiced Islamic teaching and jurisprudence it would be entirely legal to refuse Muslim immigration and monitor and close many Mosques which teach ideals that are fundamentally and provably sedition.
It is not prejudice, but common sense to reject a foreign legal system demanding second class citizenship for women and non Muslims, for setting up Islam as the only state, for advocating murder of those citizens who do not accept second class status and who are gay, and who advocate and practice F.G.M.

Jon

What’s FGM?

Patrick MJD

“Jon July 5, 2016 at 1:27 am
What’s FGM?”
The answer no t for this blog. Use google in your own time and discover the brutality inflicted on women (Females. There is the “F” in FGM for you).

saveenergy

What’s FGM?
try Google – About 16,600,000 results (0.54 seconds)
1st one =
http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/female-genital-mutilation/Pages/Introduction.aspx

Patrick MJD

BTW, it’s not only Muslims that practice this, some Christians do too.

David A

Sorry for the repeat pistings, severe glitch, was twice booted out of wuwt the moment I hit send, was cause to repeated attempts after post intially just vanished into the ether. Thus proving the existence of the etheral ether; (-;

TA

From the article: “How in chrissname do you conduct an inquiry into one of the three major world religions?”
King Abdullah of Jordan says there is a civil war within Islam between the murderous radicals and the moderates. An inquiry should probably focus on that aspect, since that is the crux of the worldwide problem.
King Abdullah would welcome an inquiry. We should, too.
King Abudullah wants to differentiate himself and his peaceful beliefs from the murderous Islamic radicals. We should help him do that by calling radical Islam what it is: an Insane Ideology. King Abdullah does.
The Left wants to hide from this reality, and wants to call people who bring it up, racists, in order to shut down the conversation. The Left wants no part of confronting radical Islam.

David A

In general there are two primary source documents for Islam, the Koran and the Hadith. Both contain very violent passages, but the Hadith is far more radical. Alas, very few Imans outright reject the Hadith, (Which was written after the Koran and is likely the primary source of violent Jihad) and format a purely “internal spiritual battle” interpretation of the Koran passages, thus for them “submit or die” becomes an internal struggle to surrender to the laws of the Divine, or spiritually die from lack of attunement to Allah. Those Imams who promote this “internal Jihad only perspective” all have death Fatwa’s (legalized Islamic jurisprudence death sentences) issued against them.
Islam, in its current form, is fundamentally not compatible with the US constitution due to Sharia law as practiced and interpreted by hundreds of millions of the worlds 1.4 or so billion Muslims. Islam in this sense is not just a religion but a geo-political force, the very foundation of which is to convert the world and set up political structure based on Sharia law.
As such without formal rejection of existing and formally practiced Islamic teaching and jurisprudence it would be entirely legal to refuse Muslim immigration and monitor and close many Mosques which teach ideals that are fundamentally and provably sedition.
It is not prejudice, but common sense to reject a foreign legal system demanding second class citizenship for women and non Muslims, for setting up Islam as the only state, for advocating murder of those citizens who do not accept second class status and who are gay, and who advocate and practice F.G.M.
The left will destroy itself in it continual denial of the truth about the last violent political dark age religion of antiquity that seeks political world dominion.

saveenergy

“In general there are two primary source documents for Islam, the Koran and the Hadith. Both contain very violent passages, but the Hadith is far more radical.”
Have you never read the bible or the torah ?? some extreme violence promoted there – murder, genocide, ethnic cleansing, enslavement, mutilation, child rape …..
A taster –
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/ot_list.html
It all falls back to tribalism

David A

Save… Yes I have and clearly your comment is my in the least bit cogent.
For centuries Christianity has interpreted divine moral laws as natural; for instance the physical laws have Divine origin and touch a hot flame your hand will be burned. Likewise, the moral precepts; say a small community of
1000 people all steal from each other, the natural result, social chaos and misery. In each instance the Divine laws result in predictable outcomes. They New Testament came to provide an increase in grace from ordained karma of moral choices.
That throughout history at times humans corrupted every teaching is not relevant to today. In the last 30 days Muslims have murdered over 600 people in dozens of incidents of religious terrorism, supported by Islamic jursprudence in many Nations. Non Muslim religious terrorism during this time, ZERO. Non Muslim calls for a legal system advocating murder, a caste system, making the church the state? ZERO.
Christanity had a reformation where non human violent interpretation of judgement such as I described, and rejection of religious poltical rulership is accepted and taught.
Islam in current form is the last empire society of antiquity, sharing the political “rule the world” aspiration only with one world government EU type statists.

Jtom

I have a bit of a problem with the term, “moderate Muslim.” There are 57, Muslim-majority countries. Can someone point to one that could be considered “moderate” by our standards? I’m sure such Muslims exist, but they appear to be an extremely small percentage, and would not survive an onslaught by the others. It’s very disconcerting to read that in a poll of Muslims in the US, 51% agreed on the death penalty for being homosexual. I can only speculate on how many more would support their imprisoning. I would love to see someone lay out the beliefs of ‘moderate’ Muslims. I don’t think that word means what they think it does.

Patrick MJD

Ethiopia possibly. Millions of muslims there, possibly about a 1/3 of the population and they want a Mosque in Addis Ababa. Of course, Ethiopian Christians say “Sure, you can have your Mosque as long as we can have a Church in Mecca.” which is followed, rapidly, by crickets chirping.
But, in Australia, we have Halal….chocolate.

LdB

The world largest, Indonesia, is very moderate by almost any standard. It’s political format is very similar to the USA with the president elected for max of 2 terms each of 5 years. The president heads an elected parliament just like the USA.
There is less gun violence than USA because citizens can’t carry weapons unless part of the police or military. They do have radicals and have had a few bomb incidents but no more or less than homegrown USA terrorists. So by my standards than makes Indonesia more moderate than USA.
I could offer you polls from USA that are equally horrific as your homosexual one. Like should people who conduct abortions and the woman who have them be charged and/or killed. The hardline Christian groups will say yes in large numbers which is why Trump went there.
You know the old saying, let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

schitzree

[snip – this comment was getting wildly off-topic .mod]

Menicholas

The leader of Egypt has made similar calls.

AndyG55

Certainly going to be fun if the second One Nation candidate gets from Queensland gets in.
The guy will rip the alarmista to threads. 🙂

AndyG55

Ooops….. That was meant to be a reply to Crowbar , up above. ! 🙂

Graham

Weapons grade campaigner, Pauline Hanson, is already assured of a seat in the Senate. At last count, fellow One Nation candidate Malcolm Roberts is also headed that way. Here is his impressive background. Be afraid, swampies, be very afraid.
http://theclimatescepticsparty.blogspot.com.au/2016/05/malcolm-roberts-and-pauline-hanson.html

THANK GOODNESS WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO IS ACTUALLY HONEST AND FOR THE PEOPLE…
THE GREENS ARE SCARED BECAUSE SHE IS RIGHT, WHY ARE YOU SCARED OF A ROYAL COMMISSION ..TO FIND OUT SHE COULD BE RIGHT.
YOUR JOBS ARE ON THE LINE….IT’S ABOUT TIME THE PEOPLE DECIDE NOT YOU.
LABOUR DESTROYS OUR COUNTRY EVERYTIME THEY COME IN AND PUT US INTO DEBT SO THEN WE CAN BE CONTROLLED BY THE IMF….AND PEOPLE STILL VOTE FOR THEM.
IF YOU WANT THE TRUTH GO ON UTUBE AND SEE LORD CHRISTOPHER MONKTON REVEAL THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED AT THE G10 MEETINGS.
OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE…GOOD ONYA PAULINE HANSON I WILL VOTE FOR YOU

Felflames

Please don’t post in all capitals.
Not only is it hard to read, it is considered the text version of yelling.

Patrick MJD

Many official documents were printed in caps, so not really an issue IMO.

What is this – 1920?
We aren’t reliant on mimeograph or carbon paper (or employing an army of scribes!) for xx copies anymore …

Menicholas

I agree with Felflames, and I think so do most: Writing in all caps is considered rude, it is hard to read (I did not read the post…only one on the whole thread I skipped), and is generally taken to be online literary equivalent to walking up to someone and screaming in their face.

schitzree

I automatically skip any post that is written in allcaps. Not because it is the written equivalent of screaming to attract attention (it is), but because the only people who do so are either under 12 or have the mental maturity of someone under 12 (ie, someone who screams to attract attention)

Claude Harvey

A comments on the often repeated contention by some that Wattsupwiththat is a “right-wing” propaganda outlet.
There’s never been any mystery about why the political left embraces AWG theory with mindless ferocity. AGW theory is the most useful tool “one-world-socialists” ever stumbled upon for transferring wealth from the “haves” to the “have nots” and justifying a central world authority that overrides issues of nation sovereignty. The political right abhors AGW theory with equal ferocity for the same reason. In neither case, does motivation have anything to do with the truth or falsehood of AGW theory. Both poles of the political spectrum “cherry-pick” facts that appear to favor their chosen conclusions and it is my observation that the left “invents” far more of those facts than does the political right (although the right is certainly not immune to such temptation).
This site is, hands down, the best source on the Internet for obtaining hard data on which to base a conclusion about AGW theory. You can link to federal tide gauges, federal temperature and sea level measuring satellites, international solar measurement sites, on and on it goes. Since that hard data overwhelmingly refutes AGW theory, it should come as no surprise that this site is favored by visitors from the political right. It should also come as no surprise that this site is favored by skeptical scientific authors, many of whom are hard-pressed to gain access to a preponderance of left-dominated news and scientific outlets.
What should not be lost in all of this is that because the site is such a rich source of hard data, it is also a favored destination of those seeking scientific truth for its own sake, politics be-dammed.

Alan Ranger

@Claude Harvey
AGW theory is the most useful tool “one-world-socialists” ever stumbled upon for transferring wealth from the “haves” to the “have nots”.
More accurately IMO would be to say transferring wealth from the achievers to the non-achievers.

Claude Harvey July 4, 2016 at 9:55 pm:
A comments on the often repeated contention by some that Wattsupwiththat is a “right-wing” propaganda outlet.
We want freedom; what do ‘they’ want?
This snippet form R. Reagan’s speech “A time for choosing” (1964) provides some additional light on this L-R thing:
You and I are told increasingly we have to choose between a left or right. Well I’d like to suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There’s only an up or down—[up] man’s old—old-aged dream, the ultimate in individual freedom consistent with law and order, or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism.

Regarding Pauline Hanson (Hanson) – the overseas reader may be interested in the following background info:
1. Hanson is no stranger to the Australian Parliament. She was endorsed by the Liberal party for the1996 election to the Lower house our House of Representatives. After nominations had closed and voting papers were printed she made some remarks about Australian Aboriginals which the Liberal party found to be too critical and extreme. She was dis-endorsed prior to the poll and the Prime Minister announced that she would not be permitted to sit with the Liberals should she be elected. She was elected and sat as an Independent member during her single three year term – 1996 to 1998.
2. Hanson’s maiden speech to the Reps on 10 Sept 1996 is a useful summary of her views both then and now. Find the full text at:-
http://www.gwb.com.au/gwb/news/photo/phtalk.htm
3. As to the likelihood that Hanson will play a pivotal role in the next Australian parliament the reader needs to know that Hanson’s ‘One Nation’ Party appears to have secured two seats in the Senate (1 each in QLD and NSW). But the Nick Zenaphon Team (NXT) appears to have secured 3 seats in the Senate and the Greens party looks to have secured 6 seats. The Senate has 76 members and counting is incomplete. Postal ballots remain alive until 15 July so we might not have a result until 16 or 17 July (allowing for final votes to be announced and for there to be horse trading whereby either Lib/NP (25 seats at present) or Labor (23 seats at present) attempt to form a ‘minority’ government.
4. If Hanson does get to play a pivotal role in the next Parliament (which is still only a slight possibility at this stage of the count) there is evidence from her past performance that she will assign a high priority to her Islamic preoccupation, her Aboriginal concerns and to her enthusiastic representation of dud fathers who don’t want to pay child support after separation/divorce. I suspect that climate is a second order issue in her life.
5. With some coaching she might get to be an astute user of the Senate committee system but the words ‘disciplined’, ‘analytical’ or ‘intellectual’ are not to be found in her mental toolbox. ‘Unguided’ missile is a better descriptor.
6. Look at the Wiki entry for Hanson to learn more about her colourful past which includes being sacked then reinstated by the party she founded and being jailed for electoral fraud (later reversed on appeal).
7. Insert your favourite Chinese proverb here ………………………

ironicman

‘He who knows does not speak; he who speaks does not know.’
Laozi
————
…she will assign a high priority to her Islamic preoccupation…
Doubt that, Pauline has matured and will attack the Klimatariat with the intention of exposing mass delusion.
France, Spain and Italy have all banned the burqa in public, Australia has a legitimate right to do the same, so she will play that by ear.

Graphite

‘He who knows does not speak; he who speaks does not know.’
Laozi
+++++++++++++++
I’ve no idea who this Laozi character is but that expression has been around horse racing, in reference to “inside information”, since time immemorial. It’s generally rendered as “Those who know don’t say and those who say don’t know”.

LdB

And that is any different to Greens pursuing there ideological agenda which represents the views of what 12% of Australians and most find there politics offensive. Oh it’s green policy and left socialist leaning policy so it’s not offensive … it’s just unpopular.
She has a right to do that she was elected, the same right given to every elected person no matter what you and I make of their policy. I don’t like Pauline but I don’t like the Greens either so hey could you like me to list my complaints against the greens and whine like a stuck pig like you?

observa

On a lighter note looks like the weather man Tim Flannery is visiting my home town again-
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/the-pulse-adelaides-live-news-weather-and-traffic-blog/news-story/51ace25557f36516d412908ae4a5ce64

lee

It will rain. Are the dams full?

F. Ross

Liz Conor

And why does Hanson even have an opinion on climate science? Why are racists climate deniers? Does Hanson have doubts about enlightenment empiricism? Logical positivism? The verification of Authentic Knowledge? Or has she, like most climate deniers and obstructers, featherbedded her campaign with undeclared funds from fossil fuel conglomerates?

Sounds like a whole vat full of sour grapes. Liz should remember the First Law of Carousels: What goes around, comes around.

Robert from oz

Anyone who challenges the green meme and is in a position of power can’t be all that bad .

Peter S

It’s all about “freedom of speech”. Just ask the ABC. They ran a comedy episode with a comedian who called the then Prime Minister, Tony Abbott the “C…” word on National TV. The ABC, though it was that funny they repeated the episode in case some people missed it. The only reason the Greens and the ABC are scared is that they know that the truth will come out about man made Climate Change.

Patrick MJD

I missed that! Very little coverage of that if it happened at ABC (Quietly “disappeared”? Would not surprise me).

F. Ross

Moderator:
I made a post at about 12:30am.
As of 1:15am still not showing; maybe in the trash.
Not a big deal, but just wondering.
Thanks

Charlie

Hanson will make extravagant use of the Senate’s committee system, already proposing royal commissions into Islam and climate science. How in chrissname do you conduct an inquiry into one of the three major world religions?
That’s an inquiry into two religions by my count.

Peter Lincs

FGM is female genital mutilation

jeanparisot

Do I understand correctly that a skeptic is the likely next PM of England as well?

Patrick MJD

If you are talking Boris? No. He has stood down.

“She has been repeatedly accused of racism because of her strong views about Islam and uncontrolled immigration.”
The left loves to use the smear against its enemies. You are a racist (among other smears) if you speak against illegal immigration here in the US also.
There are other smears. One candidate got accused of anti-Semitism for using a star in a Twitter tweet. This in spite of leading the way to allow Jews and blacks to join a country club he built in south Florida in the ’90s. The elites fought him tooth and nail to keep Jews from playing golf. He got many accolades for helping crack that barrier back then — before he became the enemy of the left. No word on what his Jewish step-daughter thinks of it all.
One writer dubbed the left as “the smear bund”.

Patrick MJD

Illegal immigrants are a political crap shoot here in Aus. Given our geologic “isolation”, MOST migrants arrive legally, with a visa.

At least they have a visa. No matter how many can to a country illegally in the past, as some point there must be some control or you will not survive the invasion.
I assume as an Aussie, you have been watching the rape gangs in Europe “fit in” with the local culture.

Patrick MJD

I am not an Aussie, I just live here. While I abhor rape of anyone, rape and rape gangs are nothing new for Europe or anywhere in fact. However, the lamestream media target migrants, especially migrants with dark skin, and are over represented in their coverage of incidents like that.

PA

“However, the lamestream media target migrants, especially migrants with dark skin, and are over represented in their coverage of incidents like that.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape
Forty years after the Swedish parliament unanimously decided to change the formerly homogenous Sweden into a multicultural country, violent crime has increased by 300% and rapes by 1,472%.

In an astounding number of cases, the Swedish courts have demonstrated sympathy for the rapists, and have acquitted suspects who have claimed that the girl wanted to have sex with six, seven or eight men.

I’m somewhat suspicious that immigration from certain countries may be problematic, and that the authorities are not dealing with the problem in a realistic or effective manner and may be downplaying it.

Patrick MJD

“PA July 5, 2016 at 6:48 pm”
40 years? An increase in incidents or an increase in the reporting of incidents? The stats are not clear to me IMO.

Hivemind

“And why does Hanson even have an opinion on climate science? Why are racists climate deniers?”
It’s because she can spot a con a mile away.

Duncan

[Quote] “Hanson’s term is Six. Six. Six.”
Is Liz Conor invoking the sign of the devil on Pauline??

[Quote] “Hanson’s term is Six. Six. Six”
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My reading of Liz Conor’s above comment was that Hanson’s term of office as an Australian senator will be for six years. There is no certainty that this will be the case.
Of the 72 State senators in the Oz parliament – half are six year senators and half are three year senators. After a Double Dissolution (DD) election (which we have just had) the terms of all of these 72 senators commence on 01.07.16 (i.e. are backdated to the 1 Jul prior to the date of election which was 02 Jul). The senators themselves then decide who will have a 3 year term and who will have a 6 year term.
We do not know yet what Hanson’s term will be nor the term of the second Hanson ‘One Nation’ senator who has been elected in NSW.
Following each of the previous six DD elections which have occurred since Federation in 1901, the 6 year senators have been the first six senators to be declared elected by the Australian Electoral Commission in each State; with the remaining six senators in each State becoming the 3 year senators. This is a convention not a mandatory requirement. The new Senate could legally allocate 3 year terms to half the senators such that ‘One Nation’ senators are given 3 year terms.
A ‘normal’ Australian election is for half the Senate and all of the House of Representatives. Thus the 3 year senators from this most recent election will be up for re-election in three years time provided this government lasts that long. If, as is likely, the incoming government has a narrow majority in its own right or is forced into minority government with support from some grouping of non-government Members in the House of Representatives then there is a possibility that the incoming government will not run for the full three year term.

From the article:
“Does Hanson have doubts about enlightenment empiricism? Logical positivism?”
Don’t most people these days who have an opinion on logical positivism one way or the other tend towards doubting it’s claims, which center on the assertion that all human knowledge can be systematically reduced to logical and scientific foundations?
The author of “Australia is Being Swamped by Climate Change Deniers” seems unaware of the work of Carl Popper, who disagreed with the logical positivist position that metaphysical statements must be meaningless, and further argued that a metaphysical statement can change its unfalsifiable status over time – what may be “unfalsifiable” in one century may become “falsifiable” (and thus “scientific”) in another.
They also seem to have overlooked the contribution of Thomas Kuhn, who argued that it is just not possible to provide truth conditions for science independent of its historical paradigm.

Bruce

How about the REAL question that needs to be asked about Islam: Why do they teach that killing non-muslims is not only tolerated and encouraged, but REQUIRED and REWARDED?

What used to be common sense ‘centrist’ is now viewed as “populist right wing revulsion”.
My, my, my …

Marcus

To the liberal left of today, JFK was a Right Wing Extremist !