From the Washington Times and the department of “Mutally Assured Destruction” (MAD) comes this blowback.
If Democratic attorneys general can pursue climate change skeptics for fraud, then also at risk of prosecution are climate alarmists whose predictions of global doom have failed to materialize.
The “cuts both ways” argument was among those raised by 13 Republican attorneys general in a letter urging their Democratic counterparts to stop using their law enforcement power against fossil fuel companies and others that challenge the climate change catastrophe narrative.
Here is the text of the letter:
Dear Fellow Attorneys General:
Several state Attorneys General recently held a press conference under the banner of “AGs United for Clean Power.” The media event highlighted an investigation into “whether fossil fuel companies misled investors and the public on the impact of climate change on their businesses.” 1 We think this effort by our colleagues to police the global warming debate through the power of the subpoena is a grave mistake.
We all understand the need for a healthy environment, but we represent a wide range of viewpoints regarding the extent to which man contributes to climate change and the costs and benefits of any proposed fix. Nevertheless, we agree on at least one thing— this is not a question for the courts. Using law enforcement authority to resolve a public policy debate undermines the trust invested in our offices and threatens free speech.
We are concerned that our colleagues’ investigation undermines the trust the people have invested in Attorneys General to investigate fraud. Investigatory subpoenas were issued to at least one company and one non-profit believed to have made statements minimizing the risks of climate change. 2 At the press conference, one of our colleagues noted that “[w]e are pursuing this as we would any other fraud matter.”3 We routinely investigate fraud, and have done so with many of the states present at the press conference. But this investigation is far from routine. We are unaware of any fraud case combining the following three characteristics: 1) the investigation targets a particular type of market participant; 2) the Attorneys General identify themselves with the competitors of their investigative targets; and 3) the investigation implicates an ongoing public policy debate.
First, this fraud investigation targets only “fossil fuel companies” and only statements minimizing climate change risks. 4 If it is possible to minimize the risks of climate change, then the same goes for exaggeration. If minimization is fraud, exaggeration is fraud. Some have indicated that Exxon Mobil’s securities disclosures regarding climate change may be inadequate. 5 We do not know the accuracy of these charges. We do know that Exxon Mobil discloses climate change and its possible implications as a business risk. See Exxon Mobil Corporation SEC Form 10-k, FY 2014 (listing “Climate change and greenhouse gas restrictions” as an item 1A risk factor). If Exxon’s disclosure is deficient, what of the failure of renewable energy companies to list climate change as a risk? See, e.g., SolarCity Corporation SEC Form 10-k, FY 2014 (omitting from item 1A risk factors any mention of climate change or global warming). If climate change is perceived to be slowing or becoming less of a risk, many “clean energy” companies may become less valuable and some may be altogether worthless. Therefore, any fraud theory requiring more disclosure of Exxon would surely require more disclosure by “clean energy” companies.
Similarly, it has been asserted that “fossil fuel companies” may have funded non- profits who minimized the risks of climate change. 6 Does anyone doubt that “clean energy” companies have funded non-profits who exaggerated the risks of climate change? Under the stated theory for fraud, consumers and investors could suffer harm from misstatements by all energy-market participants and the non-profits they support. Yet only companies and non-profits allegedly espousing a particular viewpoint have been chosen for investigation.
Second, the Attorneys General have taken the unusual step of aligning themselves with the competitors of their investigative targets. The press conference was titled, “AGs United for Clean Power,” apparently to contrast with the power generated by the investigative targets. 7 One of our colleagues emphasized that she looked forward to working with those at the press conference to “advocate for a comprehensive portfolio of renewable energy sources.” 8 Furthermore, the media event featured a senior partner of a venture capital firm that invests in renewable energy companies.9 If the focus is fraud, such alignment by law enforcement sends the dangerous signal that companies in certain segments of the energy market need not worry about their misrepresentations. For example, though some of us may have investigated diesel emissions, we have not launched our investigations with other auto companies present or identified ourselves as “AGs United for Diesel Alternatives.” Implying a safe harbor for the “Clean Power” energy segment, which some estimate at $200 billion, or approximately the size of the pharmaceutical industry, is a dangerous practice. 10
Third, this investigation inescapably implicates a public policy debate and raises substantial First Amendment concerns. As our colleagues must know, a vigorous debate exists in this country regarding the risks of climate change and the appropriate response to those risks. Both sides are well-funded and sophisticated public policy participants. Whatever our country’s response, it will affect people, communities, and businesses that all have a right to participate in this debate. Actions indicating that one side of the climate change debate should fear prosecution chills speech in violation of a formerly bi-partisan First Amendment consensus. As expressed by Justice Brandeis, it has been a foundational principle that when faced with “danger flowing from speech … the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence.” Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357, 377 (1927) (Brandeis, J., concurring). Here, the remedy chosen is silence through threat of subpoena. This threat distorts the debate and impoverishes consumers and the general public who may wish to better educate themselves by hearing and evaluating both sides.
Once the government begins policing viewpoints, two solutions exist. The first solution is to police all viewpoints equally. Another group of Attorneys General could use the precedent established by the “AGs United for Clean Power” to investigate fraudulent statements associated with competing interests. The subpoenas currently directed at some market participants could be met with a barrage of subpoenas directed at other market participants. No doubt a reasonable suspicion exists regarding a number of statements relating to the risks of climate change. Even in the press conference, a senior partner at Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers (“Kleiner Perkins”) identified “man- made global warming pollution” as “the reason” for 2015 temperatures, the spread of Zika, flooding in Louisiana and Arkansas, Super Storm Sandy, and Super Typhoon Haiyan. 11 Some evidence may support these statements. Other evidence may refute them. Do these statements increase the value of clean energy investments offered for sale by Kleiner Perkins? Should these statements justify an investigation into all contributions to environmental non-profits by Kleiner Perkins’s partners? Should these questions be settled by our state courts under penalty of RICO charges? May it never be. As Justice Jackson noted, our “forefathers did not trust any government to separate the true from the false for us.” Thomas v. Collins, 323 U.S. 516, 545 (1945).
We write to urge our colleagues to choose the second, and far superior, solution. Stop policing viewpoints.
Sincerely,
1 Press Release, New York State Attorney General, A.G. Schneiderman, Former Vice President Al Gore And A Coalition Of Attorneys General From Across The Country Announce Historic State-Based Effort To Combat Climate Change (March 29, 2016) (available at http://www.ag.ny.gov/press-release/ag- schneiderman-former-vice-president-al-gore-and-coalition-attorneys-general-across).
2 See, e.g., Attorney General Schneiderman, Press Conference, AGs United For Clean Power (March 29, 2016) (confirming subpoena to ExxonMobil) (video available at http://www.ag.ny.gov/press-release/ag- schneiderman-former-vice-president-al-gore-and-coalition-attorneys-general-across); Subpoena to Competitive Enterprise Institute, United States Virgin Islands, Office of the Attorney General v. ExxonMobil Oil Corp., Case No. 16-002469, Superior Court of the District of Columbia (April 4, 2016).
3 Attorney General Schneiderman, Press Conference, AGs United For Clean Power, supra note 2.
4 See generally Press Release, New York State Attorney General, supra note 1; Press Conference, AGs United For Clean Power, supra note 2.
5 See, e.g., Attorney General Healey, Press Conference, AGs United For Clean Power, supra note 2.
6 See, e.g., Attorney General Schneiderman, Press Conference, AGs United For Clean Power, supra note 2.
7 See generally Press Release, New York State Attorney General, supra note 1; Press Conference, AGs United For Clean Power, supra note 2.
8 Press Release, New York State Attorney General, supra note 1 (quoting Attorney General Madigan).
9 See Press Release, New York State Attorney General, supra note 1 (noting presence of Vice President Gore); Press Conference, AGs United For Clean Power, supra note 2 (including remarks by Vice President Gore); Press Release, Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers, Al Gore Joins KPCB as Partner and John Doerr Joins Generation’s Advisory Board (November 12, 2007)
10 See, e.g., Informational Report, Environmental Defense Fund, Climate (2015), at 2 (noting “U.S. clean energy market grew … to $200 billion,” in 2014) (available at https://www.edf.org/sites/default/files/AR2015/EDF_AR2015_climate.pdf).
11 Vice President Gore, Press Conference, AGs United For Clean Power, supra note 2. https://www.generationim.com/media/pdf-generation-kpcb-12-11-07.pdf); Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers public website, available at http://www.kpcb.com/partner/al-gore (confirming Vice President Gore’s present status as a “senior partner”).
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“Not fair! Do over! I demand a do over!”
This should leave some skid marks, although I bet not a peep will be hear from the MSM. I particularly liked their second point (AGs have aligned themselves with the target’s competition, references 7-10). Looks to be a major blunder to have had them on the same stage at the press conference. In effect the AGs have admitted their aim is to aid one segment of the energy market by suppressing a competing segment.
I think it’s fair to say the AGs have “Shuklad” themselves.
AW7, a great new verb. Karlize data, Shukla yourself. You are on a roll.
>In effect the AGs have admitted their aim is to aid one segment of the energy market by suppressing a competing segment
Crony fascism!
If the AGs hid their collusion, it would be criminal. But publicizing it causes it to be, allegedly, legal!
“Both sides are well-funded and sophisticated public policy participants”
I’m going to have to disagree with that statement.
It has been shown that the alarmist side receives several orders of magnitude more funding than does the skeptic side.
No kidding. There are massive misinformation campaigns by places like ClimateNexus. And they are completely aware that there is no science to support the notion that, for example, extreme weather (their big selling point) is the result of climate change. Indeed, they seem aware that for many claims, actual evidence often points in the polar opposite direction (as it does with hurricanes). Hundreds of millions of dollars per year going to people that are just blatantly lying to push their political policies.
The grownups are starting to wake up.
Tom Perkins was an early investor in a company whose growth allows me to sit here on my backside and type this without worrying TOO much about where my next meal is coming from, but his more recent pronouncements leave me thinking that someone needs to rattle his cage a bit.
A major characteristic of basic propaganda is demonizing and silencing dissenting voices.
Free Speech is the rule and no AG’s should violate the freedom of speech, if they do they are violating the US Constitution and should be removed from office.
Bad Lawyers in the DOJ . . you can not sue science [opinion] for fraud. They do not understand the limits of the Constitution.
Kudos to Alaska Attorney General Richards for signing on to this letter.
I didn’t see my AG from Florida listed.
Maybe she’s busy trying to find more bad guys Obama let in from the religion of piece.
I think I’ll let her slide this week.
I wish I could live to see a similar statement for the Head of SEC enforcement.
Living in Europe, I was extremely astonished by the fact that in the US Attorney Generals could present themselves as “AGs United for Clean Power”. Here in Europe any judge and more especially Attorney Generals ought to avoid ANY appearance of bias.
Fortunately the above letter emphasizes an equal treatment of parties and a non intervention from the side of Attorney Generals in a discussion which needs to be as open as possible.
This is what the US needs. Attorney Generals without any appearance of bias. And an administration that doesn’t interfere in a scientific debate. That debate has to be as open and free as possible.
“Attorney Generals without any appearance of bias.” @Wim Röst
That was once the case, also with the IRS, but as our tendency to elect disbarred lawyers and lawyers who have voluntarily surrendered their licences to practice law went up, the concern over the appearance of bias went down.
There are certainly 362 billion more reasons to investigate the alarmists than the skeptics. (362 billion being the amount of money spent on climate change research and green energy last year).
Nothing is going to change in this debate until there are consequences for those exaggerating / adjusting data to suit their purpose. Right now, the only consequence the alarmists have to face is their conscience (which is not a big deal when your wallet is fat and your prestige/awards/promotions just get stronger every day).
It would seem these AGs understand the reason Justice carries a two edged sword.
It is about time someone put the other edge to use.
Am I not correct in stating that Al Gore and others have already admitted to exaggerating the risks in order to state their case. just check the media reports. You do not need to subpoena 40 years of e-mails.Forward that to the Democratic Attorneys.
The 40 years of emails would be funny if it wasn’t so sadly ignorant. Forty years ago was 1976. While large companies back then might have had electronic messaging on the mainframes, it is doubtful they would still have those messages. It would be foolish for a company like Exon Mobil to maintain documents beyond what is legally required. Retention policy depends on the document classification. In the U.S. financial documents have to be kept for 7 years (think it is 10 years in Europe). All other documents that I know of have shorter required retention periods.
It is coming to a boil in Vermont – currently suit against AG in Washington Superior Court, Vermont – and championed again by E and E Legal and General Council, David Schnare. Thank you, thank you!
The AGs office may well have f***** up – “a request for documents was made on May 10 but not responded to by the extended deadline of May 24 — the longest extension allowable under Vermont law”. Previous FOIA docs revealed that the meeting in New York in March was “co-sponsored by Schneiderman and Sorrell”. Sorrell is Vermont’s AG.
http://watchdog.org/268123/vermont-attorney-general-sued-for-public-records/?roi=echo3-35255799960-35941305-aa006f00f2ef8fb5ee6a75020d5e18a9
Living in Europe, I was extremely astonished by the fact that in the US Attorneys General could present themselves as “AGs United for Clean Power”. Here in Europe any judge and more especially Attorneys General ought to avoid ANY appearance of bias.
Fortunately this letter emphasizes an equal treatment of parties and a non intervention from the side of Attorneys General in a discussion which needs to be as open as possible.
This is what the US needs. Attorneys General without any appearance of bias. And an administration that doesn’t interfere in a scientific debate. That debate has to be as open and free as possible.
(my comment of half an hour ago disappeared after posting it – so once again)
The Sate and Federal Government Attorneys General are political positions, in the USA. The state AG’s are elected positions. The AG of the US, currently Loretta Lynch, is a position appointed by the POTUS. It is not surprising, at all, that they would espouse a view in line with their political leanings.
Most of the democracies of the world would say that there is no room for politics in matters of legal judgement.
The Us Supreme Court is the most politicized legal body in the world, with the possible exception of the International Criminal Court.
From the AGs’ letter: “We write to urge our colleagues to choose the second, and far superior, solution. Stop policing viewpoints.”
In fact, this means: change the system. Separate the executive, the legislative and the judicial powers. As was asked by Baron de Montesquieu around three centuries ago:
“ “He is famous for his articulation of the theory of separation of powers, which is implemented in many constitutions throughout the world. He did more than any other author to secure the place of the word despotism in the political lexicon.”*
“The administrative powers were the executive, the legislative, and the judicial. These should be separate from and dependent upon each other so that the influence of any one power would not be able to exceed that of the other two, either singly or in combination.”** “
See: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/12/03/ipcc-science-2-a-seperation-of-powers/
“Despotism” knows many forms. It can even take the form of “AGs United for Clean Power”. We may be very glad that the other AGs saw the danger and wrote the above letter.
@ur momisugly South River Independent
The following statement was made by Noah Feldman (Felix Frankfurter Professor of Law at Harvard Law School – Whatever that means).
“Every generation gets the Constitution that it deserves. As the central preoccupations of an era make their way into the legal system, the Supreme Court eventually weighs in, and nine lawyers in robes become oracles of our national identity.”
– Noah Feldman
Might be that the ideas in the Constitution – about free speech etc. – was sound, but it also seems that the system which was made to protect it against the ruling policy is lousy.
Its great that the political climate is such that these AGs feel they can speak up.
Yep but, still have to be careful. The 2nd amendment is under assault… again. After Orlando, talk of repeal of the 2nd has gained some traction, even if it is unlikely to go anywhere, yet. If the 2nd amendment is repealed, the 1st will quickly follow.
The Amendment does not grant the right to keep and bear arms, which pre-existed the Constitution, it only protects it. It will be interesting to see how many sheeple there are if the 2nd Amendment is ever repealed.
There will be no repeal of the 1st or 2nd amendment. There are 99 State chambers and it only takes 13 to kill the amendment. Article V is very difficult to use – as the Founders intended.
Are there really this many lawyers sitting around with nothing better to do?
Apparently.
Well, these lawyers are actually doing something – reacting to the other lawyers who clearly have stepped in a pile of something that has an unpleasant odor.
True. And a good thing. At least some of our elected officials still believe in the Constitution.
“Once the government begins policing viewpoints, two solutions exist. The first solution is to police all viewpoints equally. Another group of Attorneys General could use the precedent established by the “AGs United for Clean Power” to investigate fraudulent statements associated with competing interests. The subpoenas currently directed at some market participants could be met with a barrage of subpoenas directed at other market participants. No doubt a reasonable suspicion exists regarding a number of statements relating to the risks of climate change …. ”
It might be that this last section is misunderstood by me, but it seems to me that the second possible solution is never identified in that section – the solution which has so far been unthinkable in the United States of America – a totalitarian solution.
In other words – it is not a possible solution that the Republican Attorney generals are not going to to take action if they have to.
Seems like a bit more sophisticated way to say: “Fuck off, fascists”
“It can’t happen here” is always wrong: a dictatorship can happen anywhere.”
― Karl Popper, Unended Quest: An Intellectual Autobiography
The second solution is revolution or civil war…same difference.
The AG’s second solution is the next paragraph:
“We write to urge our colleagues to choose the second, and far superior, solution. Stop policing viewpoints.”
If you don’t, we have Kleiner Perkins in our sights. Do you really want us to dispose Al Gore?
Thanks – I overlooked that next paragraph.
I would say that to stop policing viewpoints is the only outcome which deserve to be referred to as a solution. Many kinds of evil will emerge from all other possible outcomes.
And, that´s the only outcome which will be in accordance with the Constitution of United States – “Congress shall make no law … abridging the freedom of speech” – the Constitution all taking the Oath of Office has sworn to support and defend against foreign and domestic enemies – the oath too many must have failed to live up to in this case.
“Do you really want us to dispose Al Gore?”
I do! 🙂 I would love to see that. It would definitely be worth the price of admission.
And Al is probably the biggest conspirator of them all, so someone should bring him in for questioning. He was “front and center” in this latest conspiracy, and has more name recognition than anyone there, and he is not an AG.
Do you have a time preference on Sunday?
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
Seems to be the wrong address.
Are you setting up a nooner???
If so, I’ll cue up the music: “Afternoon Delight”.
It is nice to know their are AG’s who understand and support the right to free speech and expression .
Well done !
The AG witch hunter lobbyist’s seeking to silence and intimidate by threatening RICO are pathetic .
Yes it cuts both ways.The earth has a fever pump and dump men have lied to influence public policy
and tax payer funding . There is no free speech issue there just outright fraud .
Who in each State authorized AG’s united as industry lobbyist’s? Lets see the paper trail that shows State legislators authorizing AG’s to act as lobbyist’s while on the governments payroll . What are the conflict of interest policies of each State with respect to people charged with the responsibility to protect the public interest that become lobbyist’s for an industry ? How did they hook up with Al Gore ?
I’m going to combine two prior comments to remark on them because one is relevant to answer the second.
First, “Rabbit” commented that
“I am still stupefied that state Attorn[eys] General — presumably all smart, accomplished, rational people — would use their offices in such a[n] overtly political manner . . . ”
Then “auralay” commented:
“Did anyone else pick up on this passage?
‘As our colleagues must know, a vigorous debate exists in this country regarding the risks of climate change and the appropriate response to those risks. Both sides are well-funded and sophisticated public policy participants. ‘
One failing of the skeptics is to make the public understand the vast asymmetry in funding and resources, hugely benefiting the alarmist machine.”
What I picked up by the passage just quoted was little different – the precise, critically thought-out statement of the issue of climate change, i.e. a debate about the risks of climate change and the appropriate response to those risks. Those hyperventilating about global warming are emotionally or intellectually incapable of debating those issues. Instead, they rail against a straw man argument that somehow skeptics deny the existence of CO2-induced climate change entirely, rather than the amount of it, or what downstream impacts will be, costs of mitigation, etc.
Thus, “Rabbit” is, I think, wrong to presume that all state Attorneys General are “smart, accomplished, rational people.” Those who penned the letter in the main post have certainly demonstrated themselves to be, but I have personally never seen or heard anything from Kamala Harris, for example, evincing that she is a “smart” or “rational” person, and certainly with respect to this climate change nonsense, she and her other colleagues bringing these RICO investigations lack those qualities.
“Both sides are well-funded and sophisticated public policy participants. ‘”
BS. I think that the CAGW people ie. university professors, etc. are getting billions of $s while the skeptics are maybe getting maybe millions at the most. That’s a thousand times more for the global warming crowd…
“Similarly, it has been asserted that “fossil fuel companies” may have funded non- profits who minimized the risks of climate change. 6 Does anyone doubt that “clean energy” companies have funded non-profits who exaggerated the risks of climate change?”
Great phrase.
The people who drafted this letter are a lot smarter than their opposition. A great response!
I will watch closely for any developments in this area.
Great post!
Cheers
Roger http://www.rogerfromnewzealand.com
It should be pointed out that the small funding from and for skeptics in general goes to “private” organizations supporting their viewpoint with NO demand for funding from anyone, whereas CAGW funding is massively government and tax based, and this simply means everyone is required to pay for all damages instituted from CAGW alarmism and extreme exaggeration, demanding global political change backed by the FORCE of government. (I would think different and more severe standards should apply to the CAGW alarmists who knowingly and continually lie about CAGW.)
Agreed, in fact it could be classified as government abusing its powers.
Cheers
Roger
Truly excellent letter.
Thumps up!