Guest Essay by Kip Hansen
Prologue: This is the first in a series of several essays that will discuss ongoing scientific controversies, a specific type of which are often referred to in the science press and elsewhere as “Wars” – for instance, this essay covers the Salt Wars1. The purpose of the series to illuminate the similarities and differences involved in each.
Warning: This is not a short essay. Dig in when you have time to read a longer piece.
From the New York Times, Wednesday, June 1 2016, “F.D.A. Proposes Guidelines for Salt Added to Food”:
“The Food and Drug Administration proposed voluntary guidelines for the food industry to reduce salt on Wednesday [1 June 2016], a move long sought by consumer and public health advocates who said the standards could eventually help save thousands of American lives.”
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“Americans eat almost 50 percent more sodium than what most experts recommend. High-sodium diets have been linked to high blood pressure, which is a major risk factor for heart disease and stroke.”
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“While there has been some scientific controversy over how much to reduce sodium, scientists at the F.D.A. said the health advantages are beyond dispute.”
If one follows the offered link to “some scientific controversy” one finds this report in the New York Times piece No Benefit Seen in Sharp Limits on Salt in Diet, by Gina Kolata, May 2013, regarding the Institute Of Medicine of the National Academies booklet-sized review of the entirety of modern science on salt intake and health titled “SODIUM INTAKE IN POPULATIONS: ASSESSMENT OF EVIDENCE” written by its Committee on the Consequences of Sodium Reduction in Populations issued in 2013 [free pdf].
Among the several findings and conclusions of this massive review is:
“Finding 2: The committee found that the evidence from studies on direct health outcomes was insufficient and inconsistent regarding an association between sodium intake below 2,300 mg per day and benefit or risk of CVD outcomes (including stroke and CVD mortality) or all-cause mortality in the general U.S. population.”
And further:
“…the committee found that the available evidence on associations between sodium intake and direct health outcomes is consistent with population-based efforts to lower excessive dietary sodium intakes, but it is not consistent with recommendations that encourage lowering of dietary sodium in the general population to 1,500 mg per day.”
Gina Kolata, the long-time NY Times Health journalist, summarized is this way:
“In a report that undercuts years of public health warnings, a prestigious group convened by the government says there is no good reason based on health outcomes for many Americans to drive their sodium consumption down to the very low levels recommended in national dietary guidelines.”
The American Journal of Hypertension, October 2013 issue, covered the topic extensively in this issue largely dedicated to the Salt Wars following on the Institute of Medicine’s 2013 report (mentioned and linked above). The INTRODUCTION: The Salt Discourse in 2013, written by Theodore A. Kotchen, characterizes the findings of the IOM report as:
The IOM report concluded the following:
- “The evidence supports a positive relationship between higher levels of sodium intake and risk for CVD.”
- “The evidence on health outcomes is not consistent with efforts that encourage lowering of dietary sodium in the general population to 1,500 mg/day.”
- “There is no evidence on health outcomes to support treating population subgroups differently than the general US population.”
Yet, as we see reported on the first of June 2016, The Food and Drug Administration just issued guidelines to the processed food industry based on the assumption that “the health advantages [of population-wide dietary salt reduction] are beyond dispute”.
Are the health advantages of population-wide dietary salt reduction beyond dispute?
Hardly. The latest salvo fired in what has long been called The Salt Wars1 was published last month, on 20 May 2016. A huge international review study [paywalled] led by Professor Andrew Mente, PhD, the title of which begins with “Associations of urinary sodium excretion with cardiovascular events….”, in one of the world’s leading medical journals, The Lancet. The study had a cohort of 133,000 individuals across 49 countries and was undertaken and written by 29 internationally recognized researchers, all PhDs and/or MDs. Their published interpretation of its findings is:
“Interpretation: Compared with moderate sodium intake, high sodium intake is associated with an increased risk of cardiovascular events and death in hypertensive populations (no association in normotensive population), while the association of low sodium intake with increased risk of cardiovascular events and death is observed in those with or without hypertension. These data suggest that lowering sodium intake is best targeted at populations with hypertension who consume high sodium diets.” [emphasis mine – kh]
In an accompanying Comment [also paywalled] in the same issue of The Lancet, Professor Dr. Eoin O’Brien of the Professor of Molecular Pharmacology, Conway Institute of Biomolecular and Biomedical Research, University College Dublin, and past President of the Irish Heart Foundation writes:
“When apparent dogma is challenged, we should speak not of controversy but rather accede to the all-encompassing expression of so-called scientific uncertainty, so as to avoid unbecoming rhetoric. The issue of population strategies for salt consumption is a good case in point. There is no argument other than “excessive salt in the diet raises blood pressure”, and that strategies to reduce salt in individuals with hypertension prevent the cardiovascular consequences of the disease. However, the corollary that reducing sodium intake across populations will be beneficial to all, has been challenged with the assertion that doing so might indeed be harmful.”
Todd Neale reports bluntly on the study for tctmd.com (an industry supported news aggregator covering interventional cardiology news and education):
” Consuming less than 3 grams of sodium per day is associated with a greater risk of all-cause death or major cardiovascular events compared with more moderate intake in both hypertensive and normotensive individuals, an observational study of more than 130,000 participants has shown. In contrast, consuming 7 grams or more per day is tied to worse outcomes in hypertensive patients only.
The findings conflict with advice by the American Heart Association (AHA) to consume no more than 1.5 grams of sodium per day.”
The Neale article continues with:
But Daniel Jones, MD [past President of the American Heart Association] (University of Mississippi Medical Center, Jackson, MS), speaking to TCTMD on behalf of the AHA, which issued a public statement refuting the study, strongly disputed its results.
“This is a flawed study, and no health policy should be based on this study,” he said. It’s “difficult to do good studies, but the preponderance of the evidence is that most people eat too much sodium and that people’s general health will be improved by eating less sodium. This message that people should be concerned about eating too little sodium is just something that should not be taken seriously.”
Indeed, the American Heart Association fired back with a press release and web page titled “Experts criticize new study about salt consumption”. Two experts, the current and immediately-past President of the AHA, are quoted:
Mark Creager, M.D., president of the American Heart Association…..“The link is proven between excess sodium and high blood pressure, and I find it worrisome that adoption of the authors’ recommendations may reverse the progress that has occurred in modifying dietary sodium intake and reducing the risk of high blood pressure and its effect on heart disease and stroke,” Creager said. “Today’s widely accepted sodium recommendations are based on well-founded scientific research – and that’s what people should understand.”
Elliott Antman, M.D., associate dean for clinical/translational research at Harvard Medical School and senior physician in the Cardiovascular Division of Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston, said the findings of the new study should be disregarded.
“This is a flawed study and you shouldn’t use it to inform yourself about how you’re going to eat,” said Antman, immediate past president of the AHA. “The AHA has reviewed the totality of the evidence and we continue to maintain that no more than 1,500 milligrams of sodium a day is best for ideal heart health.”
So far, that’s three American Heart Association Presidents trotted out to attack the new study and its findings, which agree with and expand on the findings of the National Academies’ Institute of Medicine from 2013.
What in the world is going on here?
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Let’s roll the clock back 15 years, to the turn of the century and look at this article from the New York Times Science section: With Dietary Salt, What ‘Everyone Knows’ Is in Dispute by Abigail Zuger (NY Times, January 9, 2001). Zuger leads with this:
“Diet fads may come and go, but low salt is forever. Or so, at least, any reasonable person might conclude from the consistent message in most guidelines over the last two decades: eat less salt.
But behind the official pronouncements rages one of the longest, most vituperative battles in medicine. It has continued despite a decades-long procession of ”landmark” studies, each designed to end the debate, and each only provoking more disagreement.”
Already, in 2001, the Salt Wars have been raging for decades. Zuger outlines the battle lines for us:
“One set of scientists, backed by most of the country’s major health organizations, maintains that cutting back on salt is good for people, whether they have high blood pressure or not.
”Salt matters,” said Dr. Frank Sacks, an associate professor of nutrition and medicine at Harvard, who led the most recent study. ”The results are so clear-cut, there’s just not much controversy left.”
Dr. Jeremiah Stamler, an emeritus professor of preventive medicine at Northwestern University Medical School in Chicago, who has spearheaded the anti-salt forces for decades, said that he himself stopped eating most salt in 1948.
”The question of salt is settled,” Dr. Stamler said. ”It’s a food additive we don’t need.”
And on the proverbial other hand:
“But other equally respected scientists still rally firmly behind the salted pretzel, maintaining that there are better tools for controlling blood pressure than salt reduction, and that low-salt eating may actually be harmful to health. [emphasis mine – kh]
”The problem is not so much whether we have too much salt in our diet as it is the deterioration of the American diet,” said Dr. David McCarron, a professor of medicine at Oregon Health Sciences University in Portland, who argues that salt makes little difference in blood pressure control when people eat balanced diets that emphasize fruits, vegetables and low-fat dairy products. ”That’s really the issue.”
Dr. Michael Alderman, a professor of medicine and epidemiology at Albert Einstein College of Medicine in the Bronx and past president of the American Society of Hypertension, said: ”I don’t believe there is any basis whatsoever for a public health recommendation for eating any particular sodium content diet. A scientific problem ought to be solved by data. And there is no data.”
Fifteen years ago, the then-recent dual studies undertaken by the National Institutes of Health – called “Dietary Approaches to Stop Hypertension” or the DASH studies – had shown that blood pressure could be better controlled by eating a well-rounded diet high in fruits, vegetables, and dairy. This so-called DASH diet produced blood pressure reductions on the same level as blood pressure medications. The second DASH study seemed to show that the DASH diet coupled with salt reduction produced even better results. Both studies have been challenged by both sides of the Salt Wars, both sides interpreting the results in favor of their viewpoints.
“….Dr. Stamler of Northwestern said….[regarding] the findings of the second DASH study, ”there is no question that for everyone else [those who do not already have optimal blood pressure] there is a significant effect from lowering salt.”
however
“Not so, Dr. McCarron said. ”The most important finding in the second DASH study is the unequivocal evidence that the first step in blood pressure control should be adding things missing from the diet: the fruits, vegetables and low-fat dairy products,” he said. ”If people have to put their money down on a dietary intervention, the blood pressure response they will get from that is far better than from worrying about salt.”
[all quotes immediately above are from the Zuger NY Times piece – kh]
On a pragmatic level, the DASH studies found that “cutting back on sodium from 3,300 milligrams a day to 2,400 milligrams [note: this recommendation has since been dropped even further to 1,500 mgs/day – kh] lowered blood pressure in the study by an average of 2.1/1.1 for people who ate a normal diet. Changing to a DASH diet lowered their pressure substantially more, by 5.9/2.8, without any salt restriction at all.” [included quote from the Zuger NY Times piece – kh]
Let’s look at that more closely. A salt reduction diet, cutting back to 2,400 mg/day, for people with a normal diet, resulted in an average lowering of blood pressure (BP) of 2.1/1.1 (mmHg). If your blood pressure (BP) was 150/95 (which was and is considered high), then, on average, salt reduction to 2,400 mm/day would lower your BP to 147.9/93.9. That amount of improvement does not stand up as a Minimal Clinically Important Difference – “The MCID defines the smallest amount an outcome must change to be meaningful to patients.” In other words, no one’s high BP is cured by a reduction of 2.1/1.1, such a small reduction doesn’t improve a patient’s well-being or general state of health. In fact, that is a fraction of the “white coat effect” which raises some people’s BP by 10 to 30 mmHg simply because their BP is being measured by a doctor – “The term white coat hypertension may be used if you have high blood pressure readings (i.e. readings that are consistently 140/90mmHg or above) only when you are in a medical setting. Your blood pressure readings may be normal when they are taken at home.”
This brings us full circle back to the most recent Salt Wars salvo, the Mente et al. study in the latest issue of The Lancet, “Associations of urinary sodium excretion with cardiovascular events….” [paywalled], which, 18 years later, confirms the findings of Alderman: “Compared with moderate sodium intake, high sodium intake is associated with an increased risk of cardiovascular [CV] events and death in hypertensive populations (no association in normotensive population), while the association of low sodium intake with increased risk of cardiovascular events and death is observed in those with or without hypertension.” In other words, while high sodium (salt) intake does increase the risk of CV or death in those who are already hypertensive (have high BP), enforced low sodium diets, population wide, will have overall negative health effects – increasing risk of CV events and increasing risk of all-cause death – for everyone, without respect to BP – the most optimum health outcomes are found with moderate salt intake regardless of BP status.
For the American Heart Association, and its allies who share its long-term anti-salt stance, these findings — no matter how scientifically sound, no matter how robust, no matter that they replicate and confirm earlier findings – are simply unacceptable. The AHA has publicly stated that these findings should be “disregarded”.
Let’s take a break for a minute. The information discussed so far represents a only a tiny bit of the vast literature involved in the Salt Wars. I have purposefully steered clear of science journalist Gary Taubes and his work in the NY Times and in Science magazine, which together comprise the best summary of the Salt Wars up to mid-1998. Taubes had written about the Salt Wars for more than two decades. [He is perhaps more well-known for his efforts in the Obesity Wars.] His work – on the pragmatic salt-is-salt side of the Wars – is legendary. I have also avoided the opinions of and work by “The Salt Guru”, Morton Satin, who came out of retirement to be the Vice President of Science and Research at The Salt Institute, a non-profit trade association based in Alexandria, Virginia, an association that taints his work in the eyes of many. (Before that, Satin spent sixteen years as the Director of the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization’s Agribusiness Program.) Satin’s general view is that the salt debate is filled with shoddy science and outright misinformation.
In a funny aside – and many reading here will recognize this situation — it has been reported that Satin has claimed Taubes won’t even take his phone calls for fear of becoming tainted by contact. Taubes denies this. But, I mention it because, as in other modern scientific controversies, “guilt-by-association” is rampant – a modus operandi practiced by all factions.
What We Know About Dietary Salt:
- Salt is an absolutely necessary element of the human diet – humans die without adequate salt intake.
- For most people, consuming a moderate amount of salt daily (2,500-5000 mgs) has no adverse effects.
- High blood pressure (BP) is associated with cardiovascular disease and risk of premature death.
- For almost everyone, eating more salt causes an increase in BP, but the increase is not clinically important, averaging around 2.1/1.1 mmHg.
- For a certain percentage of people, believed to be in the 10-15% range, who can be labeled “salt sensitive”, dietary salt causes higher BP and for those already suffering high BP and who have a high salt intake, dietary salt reduction combined with improved diet (the DASH diet – more fruits, vegetables, and low-fat dairy, specifically) can help reduce BP to healthier levels.
- For most people, a diet too low in salt increases risk of cardiovascular events and increase risk of all-cause death.
- The science to quantify what constitutes “too low”, “moderate”, and “too high” regarding salt intake is best characterized as “somewhat uncertain”.
What We Know About Salt Politics:
- The Salt Wars have been raging for 30 years, at least.
- One side of the Salt Wars believes that because dietary salt increases BP (in most people just by a small amount) and causes a big increase BP in some people, coupled to the idea that high BP is associated with increased heart disease and risk of death, that governments should take action to reduce the salt intake of everyone – population wide – through regulation of the food industry, setting dietary guidelines, etc. Arrayed on this side we find the American Heart Association, United Nations’ World Health Organization, and the US FDA. Many food and diet advocacy groups stand with the AHA against salt. Taken together, these groups represent a view that consists of a “bureaucratically entrenched hypothesis advocating an enforced solution”.
- The opposition believes that the science is not adequate to mandate a population-wide reduction of salt intake, maintaining that, in addition to being not necessary, it will cause harm instead of good, increasing cardiovascular events and premature death among all groups. The majority of scientists on this side of the issue also hold that the DASH diet is far more effective in reducing high BP than salt reduction.
- Despite the mounting evidence of harm from population-wide enforced salt reduction, various government agencies have been passing rules, regulations, and guidelines to force the food processing industry and, most recently, in New York City, mandatory labeling of highly salted foods by chain restaurants.
- As in all modern scientific controversies, the faction occupying a societal Bully Pulpit, in this case the AHA, FDA, and WHO, has a huge advantage, even when the hard scientific facts are not on their side. [“A bully pulpit is a sufficiently conspicuous position that provides an opportunity to speak out and be listened to…. a terrific platform from which to advocate an agenda.”]
- The Salt Wars are an exemplar of what can happen when a hypothesis is scientifically correct but its real-world overall effect becomes grossly exaggerated. This can lead to a “mandated solution” which is then sold as a cure-all for some existing problem. As the underlying science is in fact uncertain, scientists in support of this view must turn themselves into advocates to make their case. Political advocates in turn pretend to be scientists, advising governments to enforce a “one-size-fits-all” solution on the whole society – even though it is probable that the claims of benefit range from uncertain, at best, to nonsensical [see footnote 2 for the my rationalization for this statement in the Salt Wars].
Modern scientific controversies, sub-category Science Wars, all follow a similar pattern and have common features. As this series progresses, it will become obvious what these features are and the harm they cause to the reputation of Science and Scientists.
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Footnotes:
- Please note that in all instances, the word salt in this essay, and in all included quotes, refers to common table salt, sodium chloride, in all of its customary forms found in kitchens, restaurants, grocery stores and food processing plants. The use of the term “Salt Wars” does not originate with me but has been in common usage in science journalism for some time. I offer this link: Scientific American – Health – The Salt Wars Rage On: A Chat with Nutrition Professor Marion Nestle in support of its use. (Nestle is pronounced like the action “to nestle”, Dr. Nestle is not related to the famous chocolate fortune family). The term’s use in this essay (and SA) is not to be confused with the many actual armed conflicts over the ages and around the world that have shared the title Salt War.
- From the same source as Footnote 1, I quote Marion Nestle “I was once at a sodium meeting at which there were a bunch of statisticians. And I left with the statisticians and they said that “anyone who thinks that salt has anything to do with hypertension is delusional.” And that was on the basis on the clinical trials that show so little. And yet every single committee that has dealt with this question says, ‘We really need to lower the sodium in the food supply.’ Now either every single committee that has ever dealt with this issue is delusional, which I find hard to believe—I mean they can’t all be making this up—[or] there must be a clinical or rational basis for the unanimity of these decisions.” And “Everybody argues about every clinical trial no matter what the conclusion. So I find the whole thing completely fascinating.”
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Author’s Comment Policy:
I have been sidelined for the last six-months by a heart attack that acted to reset my priorities somewhat. I have, thankfully, fully recovered and spent a month sailing with family up the Eastern Seaboard of the United States, with my youngest son acting as Captain.
As always, I will be glad to answer your questions about the Salt Wars – which I have followed since the 1980s. I am open to suggestions on which of the current Science Wars to cover in this series, I am aware of a half dozen or more.
I realize that many readers here will want to move on immediately to discuss the Climate Wars – one of the distinctive science wars of our day. I ask that you please try to restrain yourselves – we’ll get to that later on in the series.
The last essay in the series will be an attempt to layout a coherent pattern of modern science wars and maybe suggest ways that the different science fields themselves can break these patterns and return their specific area of science back to the standards and practices that should exist in all scientific endeavors.
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Is the next article going to be on the cholesterol war?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/02/10/feds-poised-to-withdraw-longstanding-warnings-about-dietary-cholesterol/
The nation’s top nutrition advisory panel has decided to drop its caution about eating cholesterol-laden food, a move that could undo almost 40 years of government warnings about its consumption.
The group’s finding that cholesterol in the diet need no longer be considered a “nutrient of concern” stands in contrast to the committee’s findings five years ago, the last time it convened. During those proceedings, as in previous years, the panel deemed the issue of excess cholesterol in the American diet a public health concern.
The finding follows an evolution of thinking among many nutritionists who now believe that, for healthy adults, eating foods high in cholesterol may not significantly affect the level of cholesterol in the blood or increase the risk of heart disease.
Reply to SocietalNorm ==> Yes, Cholesterol (and other dietary recommendations) Wars will be part of the series…thank you for the link.
Salt was recently found to contribute do obesity. It does this by lowering the feeling of satiation we get from eating,
http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2016/03/path-to-fat-induced-obesity-is.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/much-salt-makes-you-fat-6366145
This effect is new to published science, but it has been known by junk food producers for decades. Michale Moss wrote about this in his book “Salt, Sugar, Fat – how food giants hooked us”. Salt is an important part in this trininty, and it’s not hard to notice it’s very high in junk foods, eg Big Mac has sodium equivalent of 2.4g of salt. Canned soups tend to be worse. Notice a lot of excess sodium comes from MSG, not salt.
Salt is not the only fattening mineral added to junk foods – excess additional iron and excess B vitamins have strong effects too.
http://freetheanimal.com/2015/06/enrichment-theory-everything.html
http://freetheanimal.com/2016/05/enrichment-promotes-everything.html
Reply to GTR ==> There are many of these types of odd salvos in the Salt Wars. The newspaper report of the study you link actually says this:
“A high salt intake may be linked to obesity, regardless of how many calories are consumed, experts have suggested.
Writing in the journal Hypertension, researchers said there was suggestion of a link between how much salt a person eats and their weight, regardless of other factors.
But other professionals urged caution, saying the findings were unreliable because people in the study self-reported how much they ate.
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Susan Jebb, professor of diet and population health at the University of Oxford, said “there is no way to be confident” in the findings.”
“Salt reduction is important to reduce cardiovascular risk but the combination of a weak study design and lack of any strong mechanistic basis for the association between salt and fatness means that this study should not detract from the main cause of weight gain which is consuming too many calories,” she said.”
All of those bolded words are Red Flags for any reading of a medical or nutritional study.
The first red flag is the word MAY, which is an indication of the certainty/uncertainty of the original researchers…They are not even willing to say “is linked”.
The second red flag is the phrase be linked….in this type of epidemiological study, a linkage simply means two things show up in the same group of people — it has nothing whatever to do with causation, nor is any claim of causation made. These types of studies can not find causes….only “links”.
The third red flag is that the researchers were careful to reiterate that there was suggestion of a link — only a suggestion.
Of course, when the journalist contacts other medical researchers, they point out the weak study design and lack of biological plausibility [“lack of any strong mechanistic basis for the association “].
This is all very typical of the Salt Wars — and many other science wars, as we shall see.
Contrary to you I find modesty in the language that presents finding to be a virtue. Too many times we are faced with pompous, overconfident “science is settled” types, that readily exaggerate the certainty level of their results.
Whole health field looks different depending on one’s goal of learning it. If it is for curiosity, fun of learning or enjoying seeing progress and discoveries then the fact that the thing is going on, being in development is a positive thing. But of course the focus of most people is going to be on a practical issues.
Let’s face it – eating is something obligatory. Eating is something obligatory. We would prefer to have a certain information about it. We have to do in current times, and cannot postpone it until some theories reach a very high certainty levels or are rejected. Eating random stuff mindlesly doesn’t present a good option either. Notice that populations of the past successful in surviving, including our ancsestors, either as hunter-gaterers or farmers/pastoralist had extensive knowledge about food. Empirical, no science was available then.
From the general need of eating combined with lack of perfect and complete knowledge about nutition we can conclude that we have to eat based on imperfect and incomplete knowledge. Be like an intelligence agency that extract conclusions important to the survival of the country from multiple noisy sources – informants that may be double agents, acquired documentation that may be incomplete or planted fakes etc. One may even argue that most of the world needs to make decisions using imperfect information…
Suddenly what you criticize doesn’t look that bad. Within a framework of being able to decide based on somehow noisy and incomplete data such stuff is really valuable. Starting from the basics – salt in itself, directly cannot cause a weight gain because it is consumed in single digit grams per day. It cannot directly cause bodyfat gain as it is not converted to fat. So the possible mechanism of action are indirect, done via some proxy, or a series of proxies, like well organized criminal ogranizations do. As such it is going to be more difficult to detect and look less convincing to condemn than fat/carbs causing obesity, as these can do it directly via obvious means. In such context finding over and over that that there’s some relationship between salt and too much weight is meaningful.
“With an extra gram of salt a day leading to a more than 20% increase in the chance of being heavy.” – that’s painful. Take your favorite – “suggestion of a link between how much salt a person eats and their weight, regardless of other factors.” – you noticed “suggestion of a link”; but why not “regardless of other factors”? Isn’t it like a clear arrow showing the perpetrator? By the way – if you want the same thing in stronger, more confident words – here it is:
http://www.actiononsalt.org.uk/news/Salt%20in%20the%20news/2015/162393.html
Some measurments like BMI are going to be affected by the water retention caused by salt, a pretty well-known effect of it’s excess. Such weight is easier to loose than fat, but it still means additional load on one’s joints or heavier and less ripped look.
Alsod don’t ignore the other articles I’ve indicated, as these are more clear, “Salt Promotes Passive Overconsumption of Dietary Fat in Humans”, “Salt increased food and energy intakes by 11%”, “Fat taste sensitivity was negatively associated with the intake of high-fat meals but only in the presence of low salt”. So there you have it: the result – 11% increse in energy intakes, via mechanism of preventing proper sensing of fat intake by salt (lowering fat sensitivity compared to low salt). An indirect path.
(this is the study that the first link was based on)
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/early/2016/03/02/jn.115.226365.short
The good news that one can acquire from data about salt is that the body conserves it pretty well. So there’s neither a need or a justification for frequent eating of salty foods. Foods in natural state contain little salt (but may have a lot of potassium like vegetables), and our species has been eating them sice our beginning, so this good news is like link to a suggestion what we may do? And if after some time you feel the hunger for salt – take it, treating like a supplement of infrequent use?
GTR
Based on your comments, I don’t think you read any of what Kip wrote. I would also to venture that you don’t care to read anything that challenges your current beliefs on the subject.
Reply to GTR ==> The purpose of this essay (and thus, by extension, this comment section) is not to re-fight the Salt Wars (nor the Obesity Wars). Many people have strong opinions about these issues, but this is not the place to try to make yourself heard on the details of either of these topics.
You demonstrate exactly how the fields become muddled by conflicting insistent assertions — demands that a certain preferred message be taken away from various purpose-selected study results. That, however, is not how science is done — that’s how science politics is done.
I am not fighting the Salt Wars, I am reporting about the phenomena of science wars, with the Salt Wars as an example. in Part 2, I will use another science war as the example.
@Kip – if your series is about science, how it should work, how it is perhaps not working well now in some areas – perhaps it could include more outlook on the scientific context? As well as a context specific to the case. For example: we know that there’s a real/hard science that describes mechanisms by which the nature works. In case of salt – it’s chemistry, biochemistry, bioelectric effects, what organisms do with salt, via what tools (eg. sodium-potassium pupms). What we know about this science of salt is that it is reasonably solid, and not much controversial. And known among people educated in medicine, biology. This article somehow omitted this context, which may mislead some readers into thinkin that science is just these soft stuff of observational studies the article provided as examples.
And even within these observational stuff: too much information that there are studies centering around the moderate (comparing almost the same things), with little or no information about the existance of extremes, and how they fared. Extremes are interesting, and hold valuable information, perhaps even breakthrough ones.
Then there’s the context of food. It influences what influence results from the results of scientific studies. Some fields have no practical bearing of our lives and our eveyday decisions. The beginning of the universe is like that – very interesting, with perhaps the most brilliant people working on it. It doesn’t influence our lives, so we can acquire information about it however is comfortable for us. We can wait for the issues to be finally solved, or follow them as they develop and the debate rages on. Food is something we make decisions about like even few times a day. We have to act on the subject, whatever the state of knowledge about it is – coplete or not, confusing or clear. With bad decisions having bad outcomes, while it is sometimes difficult to get what the bad decision is at the time of making it. I think such information about the practicality of the area the article touches would make it better.
Perhaps also some meta-numbers would be valuable? Like ‘theres X studies on the subject, Y show this, Z show that’. What is most studied, what is rarely studied, what areas lack appropriate interest? Somehow overall outlook from above, a position of external observer. Of course this may take a lot of time, resources, and perhaps delay publication of articles, so it’s like a tradeoff.
@GTR, if any ‘measure’ of obesity is a bad one, it is BMI (this is *a* cause of the “obesity” “epidemic”). BMI = weight (kg) / height*height (meters squared). As if body fat is the only thing that may be excessively retained, contingently.
My own experience is that the far wings of the distribution, that is the most skinny and the most fat for their body’s best functioning, are the most at risk of death, from many causes or contributors.
It’s not only abot statistics or observational studies. We know about the mechanisms of the body, and this knowledge does not show an excessive salt consumption in a positive light. Consider the role of potassium-sodium pumps, whose role is to move salt outside of the cell, where it is not welcome.
http://hkpp.org/patients/potassium-health
“Another of the pump’s most important functions is preventing the swelling of cells. If sodium is not pumped out, water accumulates within the cell causing it to swell and ultimately burst.”
Here you have a small collection of citations that present how harmful excess sodium is to the interor of the cells.
http://www.science20.com/entropy_and_sodium_intakes_wicked_problems_health_sciences-120016
Eg. “Synthetic ion transporters can induce apoptosis by facilitating chloride anion transport into cells”
“Here we show that two pyridine diamide-strapped calix[4]pyrroles induce coupled chloride anion and sodium cation transport in both liposomal models and cells, and promote cell death by increasing intracellular chloride and sodium ion concentrations. Removing either ion from the extracellular media or blocking natural sodium channels with amiloride prevents this effect. Cell experiments show that the ion transporters induce the sodium chloride influx, which leads to an increased concentration of reactive oxygen species, release of cytochrome c from the mitochondria and apoptosis via caspase activation.”
Again – too much salt inside the cell = cell dies. It’s the pumpin out the bad stuff that keeps cell alive. And the body is forced to spend huge amount of energy for this process.
“The activity of Na-K pump has been estimated to account for 20-40 % of the resting energy expenditure in a typical adult.”
Why would anyone want to expose his cells to the excess sodium intake, forcing them to pump it out like crazy, or if hese pumps fail – makig them swell and die?
The cholestorol/statins war hots up-
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3638162/Statins-waste-time-60s-Row-controversial-report-says-no-link-bad-cholesterol-heart-disease.html?ITO=1490
Reply to observa ==> Thanks for the link. The journalist caught the sense of a science war very nicely — volley and response — not scientific responses — but policy planks. One side pro-statins, one side anti-statins.
One factor here is that the statins *do* help prevent excessive local cholesterol formation at the site of damaged cells/tissues and, thus, modulate the immune response. For some, this will be good. For others, it will not be good.