A MUST READ – WUWT Housekeeping: ongoing issues, updates, fixes, and polls

NOTE: This will be a top post until Monday, new stories follow below. A couple of Saturdays ago, I posted an “Open Thread” with a question about “What could we do better”? You responded, and I’ve listened. In the meantime, WordPress.com has thrown us all a curve-ball with a new software update that I really don’t like because it has now made running WUWT harder.  So, I have a few caveats that I need you to be aware of, and I want to ask a question of my readers that will help me determine the future of this blog.

1. Personal:

I have some personal issues (including my hearing and health) going on in my life during the past year that have prevented me from spending as much time researching, writing posts, and keeping up with comments on WUWT as I used to. Regulars may have noticed this. This is all slowly getting resolved, but it takes time. For those that read about my new hearing aids and the great boost they gave me over a year ago, that benefit has faded, and I’m fighting a pattern recognition problem that I didn’t have as badly before. I’ll expound on the whys of this in a future post.

2. Image fetching for reference pages got broken by an update I had no control over:

Some readers may or may not know that I am hosted at wordpress.com using their highly resilient and automatically backed up cloud based infrastructure. Steve McIntyre’s Climate Audit and Judith Curry’s website also take advantage of this platform and it has worked very well. WUWT has been on it since October of 2007. During this time there have been dozens of updates to the software automatically deployed by WordPress that have been mostly positive, until now.  A few weeks ago, they deployed a new update that forced https: on all sites hosted at wordpress.com . In theory, this is a good thing, in practice, it broke just about every reference page (especially the sea ice page) at WUWT because the update causes all images fetched with http rather than https protocol to become cached. This made the images in the reference appear as if they didn’t update. The only solution is to click directly on them. Some might ask, why don’t I simply change all the http image fetch requests to https? That seems like an easy and obvious fix, except when you discover that a number of the government websites used in our reference pages don’t support https, and the images won’t display when called by that fetching protocol. Here is an example: https://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/seaice/analysis/global.gif

I placed a trouble ticket into wordpress.com support for this issue and here is what they say:

Hi Anthony,

I’ve received a reply from our software department and here’s the conclusion:

We won’t disable the https on your site because it’s a bad practice and may introduce security holes. However, we can stop caching the images on your site, but then your visitors will get the warning about mixed content because as I explained earlier, some of your images are from http (unsecured) sites and your site is https (secured). Let me know if you are okay with this.

Cheers,

Rasto L. – Happiness Engineer

WordPress.com | http://support.wordpress.com

I have told them to turn off caching images, and that I’d fix the pages that had mixed http/https and I’m waiting for confirmation. It’s been three days, and I’ve received no notice, but they may have made the switch already. I’d greatly appreciate it if readers would check out our multitude of reference pages shown below and report back in comments.

3. Sea ice images got broken by a satellite failure:

At about the same time wordpress initiated their https switchover that caused our images in reference pages to stop updating in your browser, the DMSP F17 satellite had a sensor failure that caused the loss of sea-ice data for several organizations, including NSIDC, Cryosphere Today, and others. WUWT has had several posts on the issue, yet some people still write to me wondering why images aren’t correct. The most comical aberration presented by this satellite instrument failure comes from Cryosphere Today:

cryospehere-today-seaice.anomaly.arctic

A more perfect example of a climate “hockey stick” could not possibly be generated, and it is just as bogus a presentation as the original:

Hockey_stick_chart_ipcc_large[1]

NSIDC reports that they are updating their images based on DMSP F18 data, and that it is provisional pending calibration. Other sea-ice agencies have not been so quick to respond.

Patience while the problem gets resolved will be appreciated.

4. Our comment system got broken by the same wordpress update I had no control over:

As mentioned in point 2, in April wordpress.com threw out a major update on https, and this same update also changed the way comments get moderated.

It used to be that comments that were flagged by our banned word list (expletives, hot button words, etc.) would simply be held for moderation. The person who wrote the comment could still see the comment, and that it hadn’t been approved yet, but now with this new update, those flagged comments that need the attention of a moderator to determine if it violates WUWT site policy simply get sent to the trashbin, and disappear from the view of the commenter. This might give the impression to some whose comments disappear that we are engaging in wholesale censorship, we aren’t. But again, this change was out of my control when it was implemented by wordpress.com. I sent in a trouble ticket and this was the response from the Akismet service that handles spam filtering and the moderation system for wordpress.com:

Hi Anthony,

Unfortunately, there’s no way to change what happens to comments that match the blacklist. However, have you considered using the Comment Moderation list instead? It’s on the same settings screen as the blacklist, and comments that match the Moderation list will be left in Pending Approval status instead of being approved or moved to the spam or trash. Then, you wouldn’t need to monitor the spam or trash, and you could just focus on the moderation queue.

Chris F.

Akismet

I’m in the process of working on this today and tomorrow, so hopefully the issue will be resolved. That said, there’s another much bigger problem, see point #5 below.

5. Some commenters have simply gotten out of control.

WUWT is the most viewed and most commented on website in the world related to climate. As of this writing, there are 273,124,092 views and 1,782,475 comments. Obviously, there’s no way I could read all of those comments, there simply isn’t enough time in my life. Early on in WUWT history I did read each and every comment, now it’s an impossibility. WUWT used to be entirely moderated, and every comment required approval, but the task was tedious and mostly thankless, and we lost some very good people who volunteered to help me manage this crushing load by attrition and by death.

Due to WUWT being a high traffic blog and in the top 10 of wordpress.com blogs worldwide on a daily basis, it is a prime target for spammers. This adds to the load, but the recent change by wordpress.com mentioned in item 4 may actually help solve this issue while creating a new one.

In August 2014, I announced a change to WUWT that I thought would improve it on several fronts. Format was a big change, the way comments were dealt with was another. I wrote then:

Also, some comments may be held for moderation, as we’ve recently added some words to that filter. Some people who have been known to post wildly off-topic, long rants, hateful, or otherwise inappropriate comments will get the inspection of a moderator. Also, first time commenters will be held in moderation, and after the first comment is approved, you are whitelisted.

The vast majority of regular commenters are also whitelisted, but occasionally somebody may trigger moderation. One of the surest ways for your comment to be held is to put a whole bunch of links in it, which mimic commercial spam. Right now we have it set to 4 links as the maximum. If you have a comment that requires more than that, try to break it up into two comments, or just accept that your comment will be held for moderation.

In retrospect, the whitelisting thing was a bad idea, because it allowed some unscrupulous types, as well as people with no sense of decorum or decency, to post a single innocuous comment, which gets approved by a moderator and putting them on the whitelist, to then post comments where they aren’t flagged for moderation at all. As a result, the quality of commentary has eroded, and I’ve had to ban several people who only come here to spew invective, hate, and rants.

Because WUWT often gets linked on Drudge, Instapundit, and other political traffic drivers (because after all climate has become mostly political now) we’ve had an influx of people (from both sides) that don’t understand anything about the issues, but simply regurgitate talking points. This gets tedious, fast.

Some are here for nefarious purposes. We’ve had a couple of people who have taken sockpuppeting beyond what even Doug Cotton does  which caused Dr. Roy Spencer to stop accepting comments on his website. No this is even worse; we have two people assuming the persona of another poster. We have clearly identified who these people are (because in your zeal to denigrate, you made mistakes), and we’ve been documenting your behavior for months. if you are reading this (and you know who you are), let this be notice that you’ll be seeing some legal paperwork appear soon, because frankly I’m tired of both of you and your illegal actions, and the people you have impersonated using their full names are furious. I don’t blame them. You deserve some payback and you are going to get it.

It just goes to show how pathetic some people are when it comes to a disagreement of opinion. The AGW proponents use illegal and nefarious tactics like this rather than open and honest debate. Then, they wonder why they are viewed with contempt.

After Dr. Spencer stopped accepting comments, I considered the idea as well. If I didn’t have to deal with comments, I could accomplish a lot more. OTOH, many of the comments are quite useful. I wanted to see what readers thought, so I ran a poll with his commentary:

Indeed, and the amount of energy expended by me and others is great. We walk a very fine line here, trying to balance giving a legitimate forum to open and honest people, while ferreting out and limiting people who simply want to disrupt the conversation via sockpuppetry. It is a lot of work. If I didn’t have volunteer moderators for WUWT, I probably would have gone the way of Spencer long ago. Since we routinely process a thousand or more comments a day here, many of which are from sockpuppeters and posers (you know who you are with special attention to K-man) It would certainly give me more time to research and write articles. It’s certainly less effort.

Here are the results:

suspend-comments-poll

 

There are a few ways that I’m going to deal with this on the short-term. First, you are going to start seeing notices like this image below appear on threads. It is going to be a fair warning to those that aren’t following site policy.

housekeeping-place-clean-sign

We have serial offenders on both sides, they’ll get equal treatment. If the thread gets unruly after that, I’ll simply close it. I have better things to do than moderate idiotic food fights.

Second, for the long-term, in the not too distant future, I’m going to implement changes to the way comments are moderated. To that end, I ask readers the following questions:

  • In the first option, requiring registration will mean that your real name and email will have to be verified. It is a lot of work up-front, but it weeds out sockpuppets and posers for good. Successful blogs like “Little Green Footballs” use this technique. The downside is that it limits open debate on the spur of the moment and tends toward a closed community.
  • The second option, requiring that all comments be held for moderation is what WUWT used to do from 2006 to 2014, but it is a huge amount of work. I’ll need more volunteer moderators to pull this off.
  • The third option, running a detailed filter, would send known disruptors, sockpuppets, and comments with expletives, banned words (like chemtrails, bigfoot, etc) directly to the trash were they won’t be recovered. Steve McIntyre does a version of this on Climate Audit, though he gets a small fraction of the comments we get. He never bothers to recover those comments, but instead concentrates his limited time on content.
  • The fourth option, turning off comments altogether solves the time and effort problem completely, prevents disruption, and allows focus on content exclusively. The downside is that the free exchange of ideas, some of which are very useful, dies with it.

6. What do you think? I can make articles on WUWT “peer-reviewed” before publication.

For technical articles, I have a way where I can invite peer review from both sides of the debate before an article gets published. Links to the unpublished article would be sent to people who have offered to be reviewers (possibly due to a solicitation announcement first) and the article can be checked for accuracy, depth, and citations prior to publication. As we all know, Internet peer review is some of the harshest form of review, but often the best, because it doesn’t invite “pal review” like we’ve seen in climate science circles.

This would be a first, not just for WUWT, but for any climate or science blog as far as I know.

7. WUWT’s ten-year anniversary is coming up

 

I have been doing this non-stop since November 2006, I’d like to take a real vacation to recharge. Even when I have traveled, I keep up the blog. I need a break, but I’m not prepared to go on a one year sabbatical to fix “burn out” like Dave Roberts did.

I’ll need help in the form of guest posters, moderators, etc, and maybe even a little financial help to get me on my way. Willis and I have been talking about a trip to Russia to investigate the cause of the great Red Spot in the surface temperature record.He could blog while we are on the trip like he does when he travels . Thoughts welcome.

8. Hosting – wordpress.com is quickly becoming restrictive

I have danced around this question for years, but the recent changes at wordpress.com that have caused problems cause me to take a good hard look again. I may want to go to a subscription/donor model to make this happen, since getting the features I want for the kind of traffic this blog produces would be several hundred dollars a month. That would mean I’d have the freedom from code restrictions that wordpress.com imposes (they only allow certain features), and could offer features readers have been asking for years, such as comment editing, better threading/numbered threading. Interactive graphs, made with JavaScript etc and much more. It will allow growth, but it will also require more of my time to manage it.

To that end, I thought I’d ask this question:

 

9. Thank you

I realize many of you have become as frustrated as I have with the state of things in the climate debate, and I hope that WUWT can continue to contribute to it in a meaningful way. I owe a debt of gratitude to readers, moderators, and guest essayists. You have my sincerest thanks. Comments about all of these changes and proposed changes are welcome. – Anthony

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Janice Moore
May 22, 2016 7:54 pm

I have been doing this non-stop since November 2006, I’d like to take a real vacation to recharge. … I need a break …
Yes, O weary, stalwart, Warrior for Truth, you do, indeed. You have been in the hot seat for an awfully long time.
Just remember these two things while you are away and you’ll stay away relaxed and return invigorated:
1. We love you.

(youtube – “Bridge on the River Kwai”)
2. There is still a bridge (or two) to blow up. The Envirostalinists have lost, for AGW is dead. However, their money-and-power-fevered forces’ maniacally frenzied, futile-but-potentially-devastating, freedom-stealing, acts of desperation must still be vigilantly defended against.

(youtube — “Colonel Bogey March” – BOTRK theme)
***************************************************************
***************************************************************
Note to all “lukewarmers” re: battle strategy:
Yes, yes, the science of CO2 and whether a doubling has a sensitivity of .2 or .8 or .001 or what-EVER, must be discussed. The bottom line remains, however, that those who dicker and hesitate while parlaying over these fine points will win their argument, but, lose the war for FREEDOM — the big gun in this fight, the one that will win the war is:

CO2 UP. WARMING STOPPED.

bogabooga
May 22, 2016 7:59 pm

Rightwing crap of the Fruits and nuts.

J Wurts
Reply to  bogabooga
May 23, 2016 2:20 am

Care to elaborate?
jw

msbehavin'
May 22, 2016 8:10 pm

Responses:
#1 Anthony ,your health and family comes first! Best wishes!
#2 , #3, #4 Explains a lot . Thought it was just my own IT ineptness 🙂
#5 Registration is a good idea (Dr. Curry does this on her blog) , or the detailed filter. Known trolls and sock puppets waste everyone’s time. I have no problem with the site owner and moderators having my real name and email address, but some of us have legitimate and compelling reasons for commenting in public using pseudonyms.
#6 “Peer reviewed” articles is a wonderful idea. Open science is long overdue.There are many ‘amateur’ (in the best sense of the word) and professional folks who are regulars here who are well informed on the scientific issues and would give honest feedback if asked to do so, in addition to other colleagues you have.
This would also cut down on or eliminate many of the extremely lengthy comments. People who want to publish their own lengthy “rebuttals” to an article could instead submit it as their own article. You could then possibly limit individual comments to a given word count.
#7 A vacation is a good thing. But take a REAL break from climate insanity! Then, when you have had some time to refresh, take the trip to investigate the “Red Spot”. I think your readers would be happy to “fling funds” in the direction of this important investigation.
This leads me to another idea. Have you ever considered making WUWT a 501C3 non-profit? The education and research you have done and are doing at WUWT is hugely important to the public’s understanding of the ‘science’. (But none of us will hold our breath waiting for those proverbial “Big Oil” dollars to come pouring in).
#8 what is the question? I don’t know enough about blog subscriptions to have an opinion here.
#9 Thanks for all you have done and are doing! But take a REAL vacation and look after your health 🙂

phil cartier
May 22, 2016 8:39 pm

Anthony- a couple points that really can’t be answered on the poll.
Moderating all comments would be fine and easier if you could combine it with a filter and a commenter white list. I don’t know if that can be done. My only exposure to wordpress has been signing up to make it easier to verify comments. I refuse to use twitter or facebook.
Asking for a fee would be appropriate. I’d suggest first sending an email to those who only comment but don’t write articles or otherwise help out asking for a regular donation. See what you get. If it’s not enough set a price a bit higher.
Get healthy and don’t work yourself to death over this!

Juan Slayton
Reply to  phil cartier
May 23, 2016 3:52 am

I refuse to use twitter or facebook.
You are not alone. :>)

Reply to  Juan Slayton
May 23, 2016 3:58 am

Yes, use a wordpress.com account – you can have one without starting a blog. That’s what I have done. Gee, it might encourage me to start a wordpress blog.

South River Independent
May 22, 2016 8:55 pm

Wishing (and praying) for improved health for you Mr. Watts. I agree with Mr. McKibben’s comment above.
I think contributions should be voluntary. One model is Jerry Pournelle’s Chaos Manor site. He asks for voluntary contributions whenever the local radio station has its fund raising week. I also am a charter subscriber to a website that allows both free access and paid subscriptions, but requires registration for everyone. There are three levels of charter membership with different privileges. (I just received my free coffee mug and embossed journal.) You can pay your membership dues annually, semiannually, quarterly, or monthly, directly charged to a credit card or by check.

South River Independent
Reply to  South River Independent
May 22, 2016 9:12 pm

I should add that I first became aware of this site through Chaos Manor.

South River Independent
May 22, 2016 9:10 pm

Regarding comments, I have had a few of mine on controversial subjects delayed by moderation, but all of them have been posted without modification. I am fairly well read and will debate subjects I know something about and can supply source material to support my opinions. I do not subscribe to magazines that do not publish letters to the editor or frequent websites that do not allow comments or that censor reasoned debate. You will need to determine how to handle comments, but I agree with the opinion that comments are a valuable, no essential, component of this site.

May 22, 2016 9:43 pm

How long would it take for Bob Tisdale posts to be reviewed? If it’s more than 1-2 days it might be too late.
I would be careful about that. A week is just too long in this fast moving world…

Reply to  J. Philip Peterson
May 22, 2016 9:53 pm

“peer reviewed”…

May 22, 2016 11:17 pm

Using MySQL it shouldn’t be a monumental task to change the URLs that reference WUWT without changing external URLs.
MySQL commands using ‘Like’ & Wildcards (%) are powerful tools that help search and replace data for matching complex patterns. I changed my forum domain a couple of times, and needed to update local URLs to the new domain.
Example to change http to https:
UPDATE wp_posts SET post=REPLACE(post, ‘http://wattsupwiththat.com/’, ‘https://wattsupwiththat.com/’)
This is example only, as I don’t offhand recall the WP post table name. Of course you must make a DB backup before starting in case something goes south.

Editor
Reply to  Roy Denio
May 23, 2016 5:25 am

I’m not sure what you’re trying to advocate here. The interface posters have to WordPress is an online screen editor, there’s no indication if posts are stored in text files or a database.
Anthony has made it abundantly clear he will not go back to a self-hosted platform that can be brought to its knees by a script-kiddy DoS attack. Something the size of WP with a support organization can absorb that sort of nonsense infinitely better than anything we could put together.
Heck, WP doesn’t even provide a FTP account to update images. There are a few that are fed from my personal website that I can update automatically.

Reply to  Ric Werme
May 23, 2016 11:12 am

Yes WP provides DDos attack protection, but it can also be purchased from virtually all self host VPS providers as well. Anyone who buys self-hosting and doesn’t add DDos protection is negligent and deserves to be attacked.

May 22, 2016 11:21 pm

Oops
UPDATE wp_posts SET post=REPLACE(post, ‘http://wattsupwiththat.com/’,‘https://wattsupwiththat.com/’)
That will change all URL instances that are not secure.

May 22, 2016 11:22 pm

Very sorry to hear you are having health problems, Anthony. You MUST look after yourself. The World needs you. Nobody can keep working non-stop without suffering in some way. Enjoy that holiday with Willis 🙂

May 22, 2016 11:24 pm

Hmm thought I did a typo, but the posting is changing the first instance of the WUWT url in the example to secure https, so it makes little sense.

Claudius Denk
May 22, 2016 11:28 pm

Like all of meteorology WUWT appeals to the lowest common denominator of science consumers. So there isn’t much to be said for it as a source of scientific insight. WUWT arrived at the correct conclusion on the invalid notion of global warming/climate change. But they did so based on a peripheral issue, siting of temperature data collection stations, and not on the basis of a core dispute with the science of climatology. But I guess that is hardly surprising since climatology gets its core from meteorology.

TA
Reply to  Claudius Denk
May 23, 2016 3:27 pm

Claudius Denk wrote: “Like all of meteorology WUWT appeals to the lowest common denominator of science consumers.”
Yeah, everyone is interested in the weather. I think WUWT appeals to people of all denominations, from the lowest to the highest.
Claudius Denk: “So there isn’t much to be said for it as a source of scientific insight.”
I get scientific insights from WUWT all the time.

simple-touriste
Reply to  Claudius Denk
May 23, 2016 3:57 pm

“But they did so based on a peripheral issue, siting of temperature data collection stations”
not just sitting issues, but also the data producer apparently not worried about these potentially serious issues.
It didn’t matter to me that they said the issue was non-existant after verification, according to the data producer. The fact that they could be bothered to verify only after being called out (by a non-“climatologist”, even a non-academic) is all I needed to know.
The recklessness of “climatologist” was very obvious. Science is all about trust. Trust is broken.
BTW, I care very little about climate science, atmospheric sciences, etc. Science is best done by someone else and served cooked.
I don’t go to a restaurant to clean up the vegetables myself.

Nigel S
May 22, 2016 11:48 pm

A long holiday ‘Far from the madding crowd’s ignoble strife’ sounds essential. Keep away from yacht engine rooms.
Thank you for your superhuman efforts and thank you for taking up my suggestion of adding M.E.M.’s calendar quote to the masthead, one of my proudest moments!
Well done for dealing with people abusing your hospitality, shades of Newton at the Mint dealing with coiners and clippers.
I think this site would be 95% effective with no comments and 97% effective with 3% of the comments although they do add to the entertainment and sometimes to the education.
A little money in the tip jar, enjoy the break.
‘For while the tired waves, vainly breaking,
Seem here no painful inch to gain,
Far back, through creeks and inlets making,
Comes silent, flooding in, the main.’

May 23, 2016 12:11 am

You should consider writing, or getting someone else to write, your own site hosting software.
All the systems like WordPress Joomla, etc are vulnerable to attack, because they are so well known.
They are fine to ‘get started’ but there comes a point where what you are trying to do is so big and so different, that the ‘everyday tools’ cant cope.
As far as the modern trend to ‘make everything https’ goes, its a real real problem. Many sites are multihosted on a single IP address. You may only have one HTTPS server per IP address, and that means that a specialised bit of software has to be deployed to vector ‘https:’ calls to different domain names.
And that in itself leads to load issues.

Non Nomen
May 23, 2016 12:20 am

Registration of Members – are their data safe?
Please take into consideration that from the very moment of registering posters you have quite a lot of highly valuable data right in your hands and on your HD and in your system.
These data are of course of utmost interest to the usual enemy of truth and free speech, the opposing party has competent Hackers. Think about Climategate. Nobody wants to see his name, email address and possibly full adress published in a „Dee Niar’s List“. All those who are self-employed know what it means when a dear customer suddenly is in arrears with payment. All those who work for a company that doesn’t like the ideas of C AnthropoG Warming and WUWT in particular are running a risk of losing their jobs.
The Administration and Jurisdiction may also show a sudden interest in those „who are against it“ – whatever it is. The GaGa actions of a Virgin Island AG are not yet forgotten, and I am sure that guys of that ilk have an axe to grind with common sense as incorporated in WUWT. I doubt that a subpoena, even if it is unsubstantiated, could be ignored. Even if that is the case, legal fees are appalling.
Personally, I do not fear any repercussions, I can help myself very well in legal matters, I I don’t mind. But I presume that there are others who do.
Consider switching to a different jurisdiction, where data protection is worth its salt.
Make sure such collected personal data are in a place safer than Ft. Knox is.

1sky1
Reply to  Non Nomen
May 24, 2016 1:34 pm

Agreed! Quite apart from issues of sheer privacy, registration is especially a risky matter for those of us who work in a politically sensitive marketplace intolerant of trenchant questioning of AGW dogma. Given the stance often taken at WUWT that it’s the strength of argument, not personal credentials, that really matters, there is no justifiable reason for anyone to disclose their identity in order to post comments. Manifest competence and relevance to the issue at hand should suffice.

simple-touriste
Reply to  Non Nomen
May 24, 2016 5:58 pm

“I doubt that a subpoena, even if it is unsubstantiated, could be ignored. Even if that is the case, legal fees are appalling.”
Finally some common sense!
Lawyers can make a non-case last too much time, and the broken US judiciary will allow that and not even disbar the most obvious-to-10-years-old cases of abused, like the SCO linux lawsuit. (The case against Google “stealing” Java is as silly but was allowed to go on, due to the failure of the Supreme Court to step in.)

fredb
May 23, 2016 12:38 am

Look at the slashdot.com comment system … it simply works! http://www.slashdot.com.

Alan Robertson
Reply to  fredb
May 23, 2016 7:23 am

/. simply works to do what? Stifle dissent and guarantee adherence to the party line?

TA
Reply to  fredb
May 23, 2016 3:40 pm

fredb wrote: “Look at the slashdot.com comment system … it simply works!”
The Slashdot threads looks awfully jumbled and confusing.
What is needed is software that shows a main topic, and then underneath will be messages in date order from oldest to newest at the bottom. Then you fix it so that all messages in that thread that you have already read, will show up in a different color when you return to the thread, and all new messages will be in a separate color, so you don’t have to read the entire thread more than once to find new posts, you can see them by their color. That is the basic need.
Currently, if you want to read everything in the reply section, you have to read the entire thing. I don’t have time to do that so I do a search on my initials, which finds my posts pretty quick, then I scan down a little to see if there are any replies, then I skip down to my next post in the thread, if there is one.
This method no doubt causes me to miss some posts, not directed at me, that were posted after the first time I read the thread.
Just listing every message in date and time order would solve that problem. Read the thread, note the message you left off with, and pick up at that message when you read the thread later. Everything new will be below that post. Simple.

simple-touriste
Reply to  TA
May 23, 2016 4:03 pm

Keep the threaded view as default, but offer by date view as an option, just like the graun.

TA
Reply to  TA
May 24, 2016 6:05 am

The real need here as far as the comments section is concerned, is to be able to tell the posts you have already read in a thread, from the posts you have not read.
We want to keep the format the same, as much as possible, because that format is working famously.
So how about putting a little “Read” “check box” out beside each poster’s name. That way a person could read a post, then check the box, and could then refresh the page 24 hours later and all the unchecked boxes in that thread would be new, unread posts.
That would be about the easiest way of defining read versus unread posts without changing the WUWT format. You would have to personally check each box, so some people might not like it, but it would be totally voluntary, and check boxes would definitely tell you what was read and unread.
That’s the problems to solve: How to tell read, from unread posts.

old construction worker
May 23, 2016 1:33 am

What may help is to have a donation drive every so often with a set amount stated. Make it the “top story” until that amount is reached. It seems to work a other sites.

May 23, 2016 4:30 am

Idea to easily get more funds from comments
Today :Get big long page of 360 comments ..it’s too long
Idea : keep first 30 comments on the page, then to see second set, you click “page 2” which takes you to page 2 with a new sets of adverts, then page 3 etc
The more comments, means more pages means more ad money

May 23, 2016 4:34 am

Pay to comment using micro-payments, get on page 1
How about that comments made by verified account linked to micropayments get charged 10c per comment
but other unpaid comments get put on Comment-page2 etc.

Reply to  stewgreen
May 23, 2016 9:00 am

stewgreen,
Those are both interesting suggestions. I like both of them.
I also like the one about having a fund raiser once a year, in addition to any other source of income. After one or two annual fundraisers, a realistic goal can be set, with maybe a 30 or 60 day window. I think Anthony could round up $100K± from WUWT readers, to keep this site going. There are lots of professionals who click on WUWT every day. They would surely chip in.
WUWT readers certainly came through in every Weblog Awards contest, crushing the competition. People love being on the winning side, and WUWT is a winning site. Maybe a list of donors names (if they don’t want to be ‘anonymous’) would be an incentive, too.
That wouldn’t preclude occasional special requests, like Anthony had for the family of moderator R.E. Phelan when he passed away, or for one of Anthony’s trips (Australia comes to mind).
Lots of other good suggestions in this thread. Kudos to everyone — and this shows why keeping the comments is a good thing. There’s always much more to be learned from the point of view of thousands of readers, and keeping them involved keeps the site traffic high.

Bob in Castlemaine
May 23, 2016 4:46 am

Anthony no need to go to Russia on your sabbatical, Australia too has a mid-country temperature hot spot. Just ask Warwick Hughes to explain.

Jake
May 23, 2016 5:04 am

For those of you who said “no” to a $5 subscription fee, shame on you! So many folks complain about one sided this debate is, and you won’t chip in to one of the few places that are fighting the good fight?!? Most of you could find $60/year underneath your couch cushions …..

afonzarelli
Reply to  Jake
May 23, 2016 3:37 pm

i’d have to buy a coach first…

Editor
May 23, 2016 5:12 am

Take the trip to Russia guys, it is a great place to vacation. But go in the summer! Obviously see Moscow and St. Petersburg. But, also try and visit Tyumen (right on the silk road) and Almaty, Kazakstan (the most beautiful place on planet). Tyumen is near where Rasputin was born and driving distance from where Genghis Khan was first defeated in battle by the Cossacks. Tyumen is also close (2-3 hour drive) from Tobolsk, where Mendeleev developed the periodic table, they have a museum. Be patient while there, everything moves slowly in Russia. Finally, Pectopah is not a man’s name it means restaurant!
Another topic. I voted against peer review. I think that it is corrupt and it has the effect of entrenching the “consensus” opinion. It would keep a lot of the nonsense out of the blog for sure, but it can also keep a lot of gems out. 90% of technical articles and posts are junk, but we read them for the 10%. I think the comments provide a venue for criticism, this is the best peer review. I say this even though I was a peer reviewer for the SPWLA publication “Petrophysics” for 8 years. Peer reviewers cannot keep their biases out of it and there are always too few of them. They are typically very busy with too little time to do the job properly. I strongly suspect that the whole idea of peer review will die out with time, it is too flawed.

simple-touriste
Reply to  Andy May
May 23, 2016 4:12 pm

“I voted against peer review. I think that it is corrupt and it has the effect of entrenching the “consensus” opinion”
I am for “moderation” by peers, but, as in a newsgroup (NNTP), there must be a way to say FU, and allow people who are sure to post against negative reviews.

Chris4692
May 23, 2016 5:52 am

The most important thing you should do is to distribute responsibilities for the site. It should not depend on only you.

May 23, 2016 6:15 am

Anthony,
I voted yes to all props, though I agree that closer to $5 would be apropriate.
A lot of Sites I use require Subscription. To purchase online at many E-tailers require registrations to buy from them.Since I’m interested in the content or products,this isn’t an issue with me.
How about a Dual Subscription model. Basic is with no cost. Viewing of all Articles ,limited commenting, access to a few pages of the comments. Premium is a paid subscription with unlimited access to comments, archives, perhaps prepaid linking to some pay-walled articles. There could be different membership levels with different perks as is done in most Foundations and Non Profits, and think tanks. If enough revenue was generated you could hire some interns to delegate a lot of the site housekeeping to. Remember what Jethro told Moses about shouldering the burden all by himself.

MarkW
May 23, 2016 6:42 am

Why am I not surprised that so many govt sites don’t support https?

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