It looks like Bill Nye has just given Marc Morano’s film “Climate Hustle” a huge boost by bringing the Streisand Effect into full force.
Dennis Kuzara writes:
It looks like Bill Nye has just given Marc Morano’s film “Climate Hustle” a huge boost by bringing the Streisand Effect into full force.
The “Streisand Effect” is the phenomenon whereby an attempt to hide, remove, or censor a piece of information has the unintended consequence of publicizing the information more widely, usually facilitated by the Internet. It is an example of psychological reactance, wherein once people are aware something is being kept from them, their motivation to access the information is increased.
Mike Masnick of Techdirt coined the term after American entertainer Barbra Streisand, whose 2003 lawsuit to remove “Image 3850″ of her beach front residence in Malibu, California and had only been viewed 6 times, resulted in the image being viewed about a half million times within a month.
Bill Nye, who wants to throw climate skeptics in the slammer, warns moviegoers to Shun Film’s 1-Day Theater Release: “I think it will expose your point of view as very much in the minority and very much not in our national interest and the world’s interest.” And U.N. Climate Scientist Michael “The End of the Climate As You Know It” Oppenheimer has also condemned the film. He claims.“Marc is a propagandist”.
What better proof of what free Streisand Effect advertising produces than some of the comments on mrctv.org about Bill Nye’s warnings:
Verbotene Gedanken
Thank you Bill for alerting me to this important film.
I will be attending the first showing I can get to.
I’ll buy an extra ticket and leave it for you at the window.
John Williams
Agree! I didn’t know it was coming out on May 2nd. Mandatory attendance for my family!
Verbotene Gedanken
If Bill had just kept his mouth shut…
Smitty Werben Jaegerman Jansen
Like any leftist BS artist… he can’t keep his mouth shut. Impossible task.
“Climate Hustle” will be in theaters for a one-night event on Monday, May 2nd, and will include an exclusive panel discussion following the film featuring Gov. Sarah Palin, climatologist Dr. David Legates, Media Research Center Pres. Brent Bozell, and film host Marc Morano.
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Thanks for the reminder (Bill). I’ll add it to my calendar to see the film. It was not there before.
It is worth the look,of which I am fortunate to have it right in my city. The ticket has already been purchases,$15 is the total cost.
Bill, you would gotten more publicity for the film had you done it in the little girl’s room where you belong.
I can’t wait to see this film (movie) but have to wait for it to be available on DVD in the UK. I wonder when that is likely to be?
Same here in Australia, but it’ll be worth waiting for.
Ask Nye ..
DVD will be out later this summer.
Watch out for a hissy fit in the Guardian and probably hyperventilating at their TV station, the BBC, for signs of its arrival. Looking forward to that. If Greens don’t scream we’re not working hard enough.
Maybe I missed something, but why is the film going to be in theaters only one day???
$…
It’s not unusual for small-budget independent productions. A friend of mine recently had a one-day nationwide event for his documentary In Their Own Words: The Tuskegee Airmen – it takes a lot of coordination to make something like that happen, but it’s still easier than getting full-on theatrical distribution. I think the events are often used to help publicize the film.
Munny. Which is why it is showing on an empty Monday.
However, if the theater is packed full, they often arrange the same again for the next week.
R
Say, billie, did you ever retract your LIE about the ski slopes at Jackson Hole? They were buried 30 feet deep the day you said there was no snow in Jackson Hole (the town, 11 miles away, thousands of feet lower, on the lee of the Rockies).
Is there a release date for the UK?
Indeed. Anyone confirm a UK release?
Don’t know about UK, but there is only one cinema showing it in Canada.
Sadly no theatre within two hours of here. But just an aside to Bill Nye: You’re harming science education and this is a prime example. Practice a little scientific method! If your political agenda makes you take positions not supportable by science, as you have shown here, quit pretending your position is based on science.
You make it darn hard to teach real scientific method.
“Bill Nye, the Political “Science” guy”.
Bill Nye, the no science guy. He should be ashamed of himself!
I’ve just been calling him ‘Bill Nye, The Fascist Guy’.
Best is “Bill Nye, the Peewee Herman of science.”
In Europe we know little of the ‘sciency man’
However, Greenland ice is in the news
Greenland ice core proxies could be unreliable?
It appears that the lower sections of the ice are folding over as it flows
http://cdn.phys.org/newman/csz/news/800/2016/full3dshapeo.jpg
more at: http://phys.org/news/2016-04-full-d-large-scale-greenland-ice.html
also: The Earth’s climate has been warming, but even though the Greenland ice sheet is melting rapidly in the coastal regions, there are large parts of the ice sheet (40 percent) where there has hardly been any melting on the surface.
http://phys.org/news/2016-04-insulating-layer-air-greenland-ice.html
He did the voice over for a science cheating project.
I just red Wikipedia’s entry
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Nye
sounds ok, probably written by himself
This bit won’t endear him to his green followers:
– Bill Nye announced he changed his mind, and now supports, GMOs. In a radio interview with Neil deGrasse Tyson, Nye stated “… there’s no difference between allergies among GMO eaters and non-GMO eaters… organic farming takes a lot more water… I’ve changed my mind about genetically modified organisms”
Vuc, as much as I am maybe interested in understanding your climate ideas, and as much as I can identify… refugee Sudetenland and Slovak grandparents… Greenland ice sheet is way, way off topic concerning Nye Streisand effect. Please don’t do that. Confuses things. Suggest you submit a separate guest post instead.
Hi Mr Istvan
Thanks for the reminder. Negative effect of the Greenland ice data could be neutralised by the Wikepedia note further down, it is a bit like the effect of the solar wind on the upper atmosphere’s molecules, equal number of protons and electrons, total effect zero, tell us the solar scientists, forgetting that the first is five orders of magnitude more massive than the second. Not that I would claim that Wiki’s references have the same effect, but at least I found Mr. Nye’s biography worth reading. My ‘climate ideas’ have the greatest effect when totally ignored. All the best .v u k.
Bill Nye on Greenland Ice melt
Vukcevic, the proton to electron mass ratio is about 1836, not ‘5 orders of magnitude’.
Thank Stephan, correct three orders of magnitude, (1.836* 10^3 not 1.836*10^5) , I need to increase font on my monitor or perhaps consider start using reading glasses, certainly when looking at numbers with the tiny exponents.
Just heard that they found what may be a lake or a glacial deposit under the antarctic ice based on radar transits by US and Chinese researchers.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/scientists-may-have-discovered-massive-lake-under-antarctic-ice-1.3555652
Billy Nye: Propagandist and bigot all dressed up in a bow tie, pretending to be a scientist, pretending to be a journalist.
He says he is against minorities.
Thank you Bill.
Now, while you’ve got that that galactic size brain of yours engaged with a similarly dimensioned gob, can you please explain this: How does a cold object, such as the sky, can radiate energy to a warm object, the surface of the earth and hence cause the temperature of the warm object to rise.
Perhaps you might tell the presently assembled throng how the likes of Joule, Kelvin, Watt, Einstein. Planck and Boltzmann, to name a few, got it all so wrong and you have such a crystal clear vision of what trapped heat is.
Am not holding my breath here mind you, but, if you don’t ask you don’t get….
They didn’t get it wrong. I am a little troubled that you apparently think that, by reciting their names, you can convince us that you fully understand their work. How about, for each one of the above scientists, you tell us how their work supports your contention.
Bob,
I suppose he would like to link to posts that would answer your question, but that is against site rules here.
I can only say that there is a sizeable number of scientists who don’t believe that CO2 warms the surface at all. They also would ask why the climate “scientists” only use a flat earth with continual dim sunshine to model the planet. Last I heard the planet was a three dimensional sphere that rotated and so had night and day. (but then again, I don’t teach at Penn State or the State Penn)
Everything you say is true and well said. Peta in Cumbria, on the other hand, went beyond the pale in terms of snark and illogic and therefore deserves to be lambasted.
Bob,
You misread Peta’s comment. He was saying that Bill Nye, in order to believe what he does, MUST believe that Joule, Kelvin, Watt, Einstein etc all “got it wrong” because if one understands that their theories-work, and are accurate, one cannot believe that the atmosphere warms the planet.
He was being sarcastic/ironic. 🙂
Heat flows from hot to cold, but heat is the net energy. Anything above absolute zero radiates energy.
A bottle of water at room temperature remains at room temperature. How is that possible? It is radiating its energy; it ought to grow cold. However it is also receiving energy at the same rate from everything else in the room with a ray path to it. There is no convection because it is at room temperature.
If you place a block of ice nearby, but not so near as to convectively cool the air and subsequently the bottle, the bottle will nevertheless cool. It is radiating energy but NOT getting back as much as was formerly the case. If you place extremely cold substance nearby, the bottle gets even less radiant energy back, basically none, and thus cools as fast as you might expect from radiation and will eventually freeze.
If nothing existed between the surface of the Earth and space you would freeze. We depend on that thermal blanket radiating back to not freeze. This effect is easily seen on a cloudy night in a cold dry climate; much warmer than a clear night at the same location. The clouds radiate down at a temperature of about 20 degrees F (that’s what I measured, in the winter, in the desert) whereas the night sky measured -60 F, the lowest reading of my infrared thermometer. Thus a clear sky presents no obstacle to the surface radiating all the way to space (in that particular band; the “atmospheric window”).
Now then, on a cloudy night, the Earth does not know or care that the clouds are in the way, so radiation happens exactly the same. But what happens is the clouds are also radiating. The NET effect is less cooling of the surface. The clouds won’t *warm* the Earth, but certainly and demonstrably slow down its cooling.
It can be even more sudden and dramatic than you might realize Michael:
I have witnessed on very many occasions a thin wisp of cirrus streaming over Florida from the Gulf of Mexico instantly interrupting the falling temperature on nights when strong radiational cooling was occurring, and the temperature rise several degrees in a matter of minutes, where before the thin wisp of clouds appeared, it had been falling several degrees per hour.
i have actually had many crops saved from damage from such events over the years when I was a running a plant nursery and had friends growing crops such as strawberries and citrus and watermelons.
When you are up all night for weeks at a time, for years on end, with thermometers every fifty feet in a agricultural area…you notice things that people who sleep at night will never ever notice.
BTW, I do not think the cirrus clouds warmed the ground and the air near the ground…they just blocked or slowed the flow of heat from the surface and from the air near the surface.
@Michael 2
April 29, 2016 at 2:32 pm: False. You are adding mass to the room, just as you are adding atmospheric mass to the airless planet. The atmospheric thermal effect (ATE). This obeys the gas laws because it is not confined. Only restrained by gravity which forms the lapse rate. You have created a new and different physical situation, apples vs oranges, energy-wise. Experimental fail.
Clouds at night – likely colder than the surface, but anyway, there is another mass effect also involving convection IIRC, and inversion.. Heat, aka sensible heat, is always a kinetic result of work done on molecules. Any radiative energy is subsumed, gone, in the process of becoming KE. Leaving a spectral T reading, radiated to the negative 4th power. Those clouds are of course involved in massive latent energy transfer upwards, the main way it is done. Clouds herald a change in weather to different experimental conditions too.
There are problems with using IR gear on night skies. They tend to actually measure proxies within their workings, and not be designed for long distance measurements. So these will give a false reading in that case.
Sorry Michael 2, I should have made it clearer that heat is not energy, but a measurement of work done already.
I see that I have misread your comment. I cannot imagine a scenario where a cold object can impart warmth to the already warm object making it warmer, because at that exact moment, the warm object is imparting its warmth to the cold object at a much higher rate of energy transfer due to its warmth.
I think there’s some confusion that warmists believe the Earth is warmed by clouds or carbon dioxide, and I have no doubt with 7 billion people that some will believe this, but the actual warming comes from the sun. Clouds and CO2 and other things impede radiant energy departure from the surface, but enhance radiation at the top of atmosphere, or in some cases reduce incoming radiant energy. The “net effect” of all that remains variable and I am not convinced anyone or any computer precisely understands all of it.
The down-welling radiant energy doesn’t heat the warmer surface but it does slow the rate at which the warmer surface cools since the rate of energy transfer is dependent on the temperature difference between the two bodies.
So, has your grant money arrived yet???? Of course, the statement is not convoluted enough for the “real ” scientists.
I don’t need any grant money for what should be basic thermodynamics I learned in my grade 9 science class.
Peta: To over-simplify it: (rate of heat flow) = k * (t2 – t1);
At night, clouds are warmer than space, so the heat flows slower on a cloudy night.
Higher fractions of CO2 warm the air very slightly, so all else being equal, the heat flows slightly slower.
[However in general all else is not equal.]
Peta,
Go study thermodynamics.
You are off track and need some redirection.
Actually it’s pretty easy.
When you radiate energy into an object, it’s energy level increases.
The respective temperatures of the two objects is utterly meaningless.
Speaking of hustles, James Hansen is trying to recruit Warren Buffet into becoming a “climate activist.”
http://www.omaha.com/money/scientist-prodding-buffett-has-a-history-as-climate-activist/article_f552224a-eeb6-57c1-afd3-47b75b63abf4.html
Climate activist or climate profiteer?
Is there a difference?
That is going to be a very hard sell.
Bill Nye sez; “I think it will expose your point of view as very much in the minority and very much not in our national interest and the world’s interest.”
Whaaa? How in holy double-hockey sticks could taking in a film expose people’s point of view in any way, shape or form? Are they going to set up video cameras videoing the people attending? “Expose” is a threatening word.
I actually thought that quote was the most interesting part of the report. The thing to bear in mind is that Bill Nye faces a rather different set of incentives than most of us out here in the silent majority. Our public spaces are now dominated by the moral ideologies of the left: politically correct liberalism and environmentalism. Hence, the safe and conformist viewpoint for those who compete for a living in the public space, is the one that agrees with the left.
In Billy Nye’s world you would have to be crazy to go against such a powerful entrenched narrative. When he says “it will expose your point of view as very much in the minority”, he’s projecting. Being in that place would be fearsome to him, and he can’t comprehend why anyone would subject themselves to such an obviously dangerous situation.
The movie screen sucks the point of view out of their brain through the eyeballs, and feeds the information to the overlords.
People like Nye think that other people, whom he believes are less discerning than himself, need to be “protected” from any point of view other than the “correct” Alarmist one. It is an all too frequent elitist strategy. Protect the poor dears from anything that might get them thinking that Nye and his ilk have been feeding them a load of piffle all these years. After all, most of the MSM feeds the masses the same Alarmist drivel over and over again – the Alarmists want to keep it that way. Sort of like an Inconvenient Truth – where have I heard that one before?
My experience with the “science” of Bill Nye was a number of years ago when I ordered some video material for my science class. Bill Nye had put together this neat demonstration about boiling and freezing points and the effects of adding salt. Great, entertaining demonstration. Only problem was, he had the science completely wrong, with his “results” the exact opposite of what is known science. I had to send the video back to the supplier with a an admonition to remove the material from sale and with a question of why the material had not been reviewed for accuracy. From that moment on, I knew this guy was a charlatan who knew less about science than my students.
Nothing is completely useless, it can always serve as a bad example.
Really REALLY bad!
“Nothing is completely useless, it can always serve as a bad example.”
Could somebody pay me to serve as a bad example? I’m having financial issues at the moment.
Only problem was, he had the science completely wrong, with his “results” the exact opposite of what is known science.
So, he’s a repeat offender!
https://wattsupwiththat.com/climate-fail-files/gore-and-bill-nye-fail-at-doing-a-simple-co2-experiment/
The first thing I ever read was our host’s attempt to recreate Nye’s CO2 in a magic bottle heated by a lamp BS, and I was immediately hooked.
I have been a regular reader and eventual commenter on this site, which I had never heard of previous to that, ever since.
…ever read here on WUWT…
You cant beat a bit of careful thought with a big stick!
Not long ago, I watched Bill Nye on TVOntario’s “The Agenda with Steve Pakon”.
When asked about the difference with the current warming compared to the warmer climates of the past he explained the rate of increase is unprecedented, ergo it must be us. He seemed completely unaware the proxy reconstrucructions lack the temporal resolution for a valid comparison with the instrumental record.
You would think someone of his stature would know enough to acknowledge the uncertainty.
Even within proxy and prior thermometer limits, it’s not unprecedented. Far from it.
What stature does a TV performer have in science?
Okay crazy person! we’ll take a note of that… (scribbles suggestively on hand as if to write something down) 😀
We are all still waiting with baited breathe for a hint of any actual humor from you, Sparks.
Keep trying though…but remember…comedy is not pretty.
Is it my timing? maybe it’s your breath.
Hey, at least mine does not smell like a barrel full of nuzt…I mean fish.
Steve Pakin & “The Agenda” program do their best to inform Ontarians of who’s involved in the climate scam!
The man held up a map/image of Antarctica during a television segment on the Arctic region!!!! Apparently he’s also completely unaware of the geography of the planet too!!
Phil Brisley,
I guess it goes to show how far one can get just by adopting the right pose. It really is the same as what advertisers call “positioning”.
… someone of his stature? 🙂
Bye Doom, when I say “stature” I use the term loosely. The topic was “Earth Hour” and Bill Nye was Steve Pakin’s choice to explain climate change science and answer his questions. When you watch the video clip (thanks Colorado Wellington) it’s obvious the man is quite weak on the science and has no understanding of the skeptic position whatsoever.
I think rw is right, this is not so much about the science, rather more about “positioning”. It’s apparently quite important for Bill Nye, like the MSM, most governments, academics, institutional science and various elites to be “on message”.
And Barbara you’re not far off the mark. Earlier this week The Agenda did three shows on “Energy” with panels consisting of a mix of professionals, academics and government employees from around the world. Everyone seemed to be on board with the settled science catastrophic AGW meme. There was no discussion of the science from first principles, none of the uncertainties were covered. When it comes to man-made global warming too many fail to grasp where the science ends and supposition begins…it’s as if they don’t want to know.
Bill Nye the Science Lie
Bill Nye, the scienceless guy
Unfortunately, neither the terms showing it in NH is near me, at best two hour drive.
If Nye is so sure that AGW is real he should be telling everyone to go see the movie, examine the evidence, … wow he’s really just a coward and a charlatan … pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, he is not important … now would someone get me another cold beer?
Stand up comedians, actors, the president of the Sierra Club, my those alarmist lefty loonies have some heavy hitters… scoff
Don’t insult lefties, who ever they are?
He was insulting heavy hitters.
Steee-rike three!
I caught that one calm down! you’re such an alarmist!
I bought tickets
Your boyfriend will appreciate that, who are you taking?
Does his bow tie turn into a wind turbine when he goes outside?
No!
Thanks for the heads up. I just invited a group to see the showing in Fairfax, VA.
I already know that socialists use and abuse “climate change” to push a political agenda, I don’t need to watch a low budget movie to reinforce my already held beliefs. The undecided and open minded need to be reached (the true believers are a lost cause), and sadly this movie will likely never be seen by them.
Belief?
Poor choice of words but the last time I checked we were all about ‘objective evidence’ and the acknowledgment that we have no idea which turns the climate will take given the fact that it doesn’t operate on a scale that we can fully comprehend…yet.
Well, there’s an amazing argumentative suggestion built into you’re blithering idiocy we can all comprehend.
Some blithering idiots I know even know the difference between you’re and your.
Western North America didn’t get the global warming memo. It’s spring in Crescent City, CA, with a high of 57 degrees F today. It’s fall in Puerto Montt, Chile, at the same latitude, but with a high over 64 (current T.).
Sarah Palin on the panel? Really? Representing the dingbat demographic?
How does this help the discourse?
It sure struck a chord with you.
Data Turk, go to the movie and find out! (and give us all a report come tuesday)…
No, thanks…I always wait to read the reviews before I see a movie.
DataTurk said:
“Just because there are bigger fools, does not make her less of one.”
Or you.
(Thought terminating cliche’)
To rw-
“Remember one thing, though….you are smarter than she is.”
We’re starting to suspect that you believe you have mind reading abilities.
(Projection bias)
“No, thanks…I always wait to read the reviews before I see a movie”
Of COURSE you do! You probably don’t do anything without getting someone else’s opinion first.
(Bandwagon effect, groupthink, herd behavior)
For someone who has spent so much time here snarking about the intelligence of another person without providing any evidence regarding her actual intelligence level, you sure like to leave a lot of empirical evidence laying around that demonstrates you lack logical debate skills, you engage in cognitive biases, and that your ability to make decisions depends greatly on the opinions and thoughts of others.
Bravo. You sure made HER look stupid…..(sarc)
No, thanks…I always wait to read the reviews before I see a movie.
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Always a good idea when there’s only ONE scheduled showing – ?
SteveT
Aphan…actually I only spent the time she was worth…almost nothing.
I think your meds are interacting.
StevenT…glad you got the joke.
DataTurk, so you are admitting that you made up your mind regarding Palin with no information whatsoever.
How typical.
MarkW,
He’s just being led by Alinsky’s commandment: demonize the opposition.
They’ve done an excellent job of demonizing someone who won beauty contests (don’t laugh, there is more intense, cut-throat competition in them than in most elections — I was married to someone who entered those contests. They’re tough, and it takes more than beauty to win. It takes above average intelligence.)
And she won election as Governor of Alaska, one of the most corrupt states in the union. She ran as a Republican, so naturally the über-corrupt Dems have been out to get her ever since she cleaned up corruption in that state. See, they’re all corrupt, and they fear her.
So the media has demonized a decent and intelligent woman. They should be so proud (/sarc). But the ones who should really be asamed are the folks who let themselves be led by an invisible media ring in their nose, and who now head-nod whenever someone makes fun of Gov. Palin.
Those same people are the problem in this country, not the solution. They don’t think for themselves, they just nod their heads like good little eco-lemmings.
MarkW…wow. You are truly a mind reader. Sarah Palin is the blonde on Big Bang Theory, right, or am I all confused about the really embarrassing 2008 Republican ticket? I have such a hard time keeping my facts straight.
Thanks for pointing that out. You have real insight…beyond your years.
DataTurk,
You might be lacking some insight yourself. The reasons that ticket lost were multiple. Sarah Palin was the least of them.
But thanx for showing us that the media’s demonization of a successful individual was also successful.
DB…
I was actually hoping for someone who could credibly make the sceptical case. Palin really only has cred among the star struck fanboys, including some on this site.
Alinsky, really? Wrong address, dude.
She’s representative as an outspoken single mother. Seems about par for the course for US females.
expat, i think you’re mistaking sarah palin for her daughter bristol here. and as well, i think the reason for the glut of single american mothers probably has more to do with typical american males being slobs than any deficiencies on their part. (it certainly was in her case…)
I agree on that. Putting Sarah Palin on this thing is like icing a birthday cake with turds!
Check out Sarah Palin’s genetic background. She has a genetic background that most politicians would “kill” for.
@ur momisugly john harmsworth ,
Classy comment.
That all ya got ?
For information on Sarah Heath Palin:
Check with the New England Historic Genealogical Society Boston, founded 1845
http://www.americanancestors.org
This Society has information on all of the Presidential, Vice-presidential candidates with New England heritage.
Sarah Heath Palin is a Mayflower family decdent and member of the U.S. Presidential families.
Since this is a political situation as well as a scientific situation, Sarah Palin is as well qualified to discuss this as any other politician is.
It really is fascinating how so many people judge others based on where they grew up and what colleges they went to.
Then they will turn around and proudly proclaim that they don’t have a biased bone in their bodies.
If Neil Young can comment on climate change and on Alberta’s Oil Sands, Palin can be on this panel. While on a stage a year or so ago with some Canadian Aboriginals, Young stated that ALL the oil from Alberta’s Oil Sands was sold to China – actually almost all of the oil goes by pipeline to the U.S. The clip aired on CBC Television ONCE only, then it disappeared. Canada’s taxpayer financed TV network ($1.1 billion per year) is a big supporter of alarmist climate “science”.
Data Turk,
I would certainly rather listen to Sarah Palin on this topic than Obama.
Well, heck, then, go ahead and listen to her.
Remember one thing, though….you are smarter than she is.
How about this viewpoint DataTurk-
If even Sarah Palin can grasp the “science” and explain it well, then how “stupid” and “dingbat” do the CAGWers look because they feel the need to hire and groom “climate communicators” so the public can be taught? Do you realize that Bill Nye the Science Fly and Al Gore’s statements ALONE make Sarah Palin look like Einstein? And at least I can look at her without feeling like I need to bleach my eyes afterwards.
The “idiot” demographic is out in full force today. Apparently picking on their half human/half mantis poster boy gets them all snippy!
Just because there are bigger fools, does not make her less of one.
I personally think we should draft her as Trump’s VP….
What’s shaped like a barrel and is full of fish?
A fist full of nutz?
🙂 I actually like you Menicholas, enjoyed the exchange, talk later, night.