Guest essay by David Nabhan
Many long-established families in El Paso and Juarez have stories about Pancho Villa to relate—mine is no different. My great uncle, Massoud, brought before the generalissimo either before, during or after the Battle of Juarez, was given thirty minutes to run through the desert and across the Rio Grande back into El Paso after Pancho relieved him of his boots. Massoud was a mathematical genius and it was in deference to my great uncle’s former professorial chair in Lebanon that he was given the reprieve rather than being shot on the spot. It’s a good story; too bad it doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. There were very, very few Americans in Juarez around the time of the battle—since El Paso is literally yards away from Juarez, as close as Minneapolis is to St. Paul. The only Americans foolish enough to remain in Juarez as Villa’s forces approached would have been drunks, lunatics and freebooters. Of course, no family member has ever asked why Uncle Massoud didn’t simply stroll across the bridge—still wearing shoes—days or hours before the battle.
That’s hardly unusual though; people want to believe good stories, even those that make no sense at all.
Take the end of the world, for example. One might be fairly stunned to note how often its coming has been foretold—at least a thousand times over the last few thousand years. The list is almost interminable but includes 1000 AD, 1666 AD, when Halley’s Comet’s tail passed through the atmosphere in 1910, due to the chaos wrought by Y2K in 2000, or in accordance with the Mayan Long Count in 2012. All of these goofy episodes of human foolishness have added up to the same thing: nothing. One might expect that after five thousand years of embarrassing doomsday flops sophisticated people in the twenty-first century wouldn’t sit still for it anymore. Think again, however, for the end is coming, yet again. This time it’s unlike the previous thousand, it’s real. Forget Heaven’s Gate, the Fifth Monarchists and all the rest, it’s “global warming” that’s going to get us when all the other mega-disasters produced ridiculousness. This one, though, is the McCoy.
Except that’s almost certainly not true at all. Global warming most probably is going to wind up in the same trash heap of history with all the rest. It’s a good story, for those eager to look forward to some impending catastrophe, but alas, just like my great uncle’s spine-tingling encounter with desperados, far, far too many things simply don’t add up. And just as one need not be an US/Mexico expert, an historian, a boundary commissioner, a mathematician or a boot maker to realize that Uncle Massoud’s story is most likely a tall tale, likewise, climate scientists and all other such specialists are not required to weigh this particular head-scratcher: only pure, simple common sense is required. And nothing the global warmers say passes that bar.
Where, for example, is the hue and cry to extinguish coal seam fires? For the average person who has been completely taken in by the “climate change” mantra, this is most likely the first time the topic has been seen to be raised in public. And that is odd in the extreme, stunningly strange, in fact. There are 10,000 coal-seam fires burning out of control worldwide. Those fires pump out massive amounts of carbon dioxide — equal to 20% of the entire carbon footprint of the US. Hollywood schedules no concerts to “Put Out the Fires,” even though it would fit nicely on a T-shirt, and no one in Washington has said the first word about it. If common sense rules the argument, decades ago that would have been the first thing on the agenda: extinguish the coal seam fires. How odd that the activists of the world leap-frogged over this astoundingly obvious target and decided that dismantling the West’s industrial infrastructure would be a better place to start.
Most “activists,” however, won’t deign to answer that question, or any other. Their self-assurance is beyond debate. They’ve declared this matter “settled science,” not bothered that the rest of us realize that it took several millennia for humanity to even get the fuzziest picture of the Earth’s true place in the cosmos. It doesn’t trouble them that there are only the very rarest of scientific facts that weren’t gleaned by no less than centuries of endless toil, trial and error by the greatest minds. Their “settled science,” indeed, harkens to a different age, one in which the Earth didn’t spin, when leeches were part of physicians’ medical kit, when plague was kept at bay by pleasant aromas, when Inquisitors did the “settling,” and “science” could get one roasted alive. Unfortunately, nothing correct came out of that epoch, so if the climate change activists turn out to be right, it be will recorded as the most enormously implausible outlier: for only once then in human history will a great truth have been pulled right out of the hat, ipso facto, and required nothing further. This will be the first time something so beautifully and sublimely true had been seen that it didn’t require the normal and customary vetting demanded of everything else: the scientific method. This one exception will have surpassed Newton’s papers on gravity and Einstein’s work on relativity, since both are still to this day being tested and probed for any sign at all of some exception, some error, some nuance—but, not “global warming.” It will never have lingered in the realm of hypothesis, nor waited to be promoted to theory. This incredible and incomparable work of genius will have shot straight to the highest rung of the temple of science, and immediately. It will be law, and all accomplished within the span of a few short years—not decades or centuries or millennia. We are all witnessing something grand taking place…or much, much more likely, something our descendents will use to look back on us to wonder how such gullible people managed to pull up their pants properly.
There are many good and decent people who have been taken in by the faux-altruism peddled by the climate changers, many millions who imagine they’re on the right side of this question, but who might also open their minds to the possibility that they may well have been deceived—and monumentally. Dr. Nils-Axel Mörner, former Chairman , International Commission on Sea Level, calls the entire business “the greatest fabrication in modern history.” The most pre-eminent living scientist on Earth, Freeman Dyson, colleague of Einstein at Princeton, not only doesn’t buy the canard, but has posited that the moderate increase in carbon dioxide over the last decades has contributed to what he calls a “great blooming,” pointing out something that every sixth grader knows, that carbon dioxide, the piston of photosynthesis, is the great engine of life on Earth. A titan such as Dr. Dyson is far from alone: the list is long and impressive. It includes Nobel laureates—such as Dr. Ivar Giaever, of super-conductor fame—and progressive, yet unbrainwashed voices like former president of Greenpeace, Dr. Patrick Moore. Insofar as the childish and absurd tactic of pretending to count up how many scientists say “yes” and how many say “no,” this is probably the greatest indication that something other than science is taking place. We’ve all heard the “97% of scientists” fable; as someone who has spent the last two decades exchanging correspondence with “scientists” on four continents, this is proof positive, for me at least, of the surest sign of a propaganda lie.
Scientists don’t lend their names to insipid public opinion surveys. Scientists don’t allow poll takers into their offices and research facilities. Scientists don’t interrupt their important work to involve themselves in political prattle nor flatter themselves or others by publishing their guesses. Men and women of science find conjecture and opinion anathema to everything to which they’ve devoted their lives. The scientific method is the antithesis of brainless “polls.” Scientific fact isn’t determined by taking a straw vote. The propagandists who decided to promote this absurdity really aren’t very good at it. I can vouch that scientists are the most tight-lipped people on the planet. To imagine them blabbering about something so complicated and controversial as climate change—and then to have 97% of them supposedly agreeing, when 97% of scientists have never agreed on anything, anywhere, at any time—is beyond ludicrous. That amazingly inflated figure speaks for itself; all one need do is give it some thought.
My family never gave Uncle Massoud’s tall tale too much thought. It was just accepted as part of the family chronicle. That’s understandable; good stories like that are hard to come by, and it never did any harm. Global warming, or climate change, or whatever moniker is chosen next as one prediction after the other over twenty years has failed to come true, is far from harmless, but for those who insist on some hair-raising yarn to take its place, we all might give an ear to the one that follows. Trust that it’s got some Armageddon mixed in as well.
The history of the Pleistocene, over the last two million years, is well documented: dozens and dozens of cyclical shifts between approximately 100,000 year long glacials (Ice Ages), followed by roughly 10,000 year interglacials. All of human history has transpired within the current mild period, the present interglacial, the Holocene. The problem is, the Holocene has lasted approximately 11,000 years already. The peoples of the Earth, all seven billion, haven’t the slightest business occupying themselves with what may or may not happen two hundred or three hundred years from now when the temperature might be a few degrees warmer than now. What is most certainly coming is not going to be a kindler, gentler, warmer Earth. What our descendents of some generations into the future are much more likely to face is something that actually kills: cold—bitter, unending, crop-killing, planet-changing cold.
Celebrities, government mouthpieces, and the West’s adversaries at the UN couldn’t care about any of this because they didn’t dream it up, it doesn’t paint factory owners as villains, it doesn’t harm and weaken the economy and military of industrialized nations, and put an horrific burden and onus on us for the sins of our great, great, great grandparents. But anyone with a child should care. I can look back on my great uncle with love and respect. He never did anything to harm me or anyone else, and aside from telling a few tall tales, was a great and decent man.
I wonder if our great nephews and nieces will be able to say that about…us?
David Nabhan is a science and science fiction writer. Web site: www.earthquakepredictors.com
Discover more from Watts Up With That?
Subscribe to get the latest posts sent to your email.
..Wow, I was shocked to learn the number is over 10,000…Even Wikipedia agrees !! Thanks, more studying for me ..
Good commentary.
One of the best posts this year..100 stars
Best article of the year! Says it all, and then some. Many thanks!
Wow! Common sense. Kudos to the author.
I am just about to send this to my federal politician in Australia. He has admitted to me that he is scientifically illiterate but I am sure he will be able to understand this article.
Terrific, and beautifully written. Last three paragraphs merit wider prominence.
Yes, this is a top commentary, well done!
Good artical – BUT….
“There are 10,000 coal-seam fires burning out of control worldwide. Those fires pump out massive amounts of carbon dioxide — equal to 20% of the entire carbon footprint of the US”
That’s very exact figures, could we have a reference please.
I’m 97% certain that they are made up numbers.
Just had a quick look on Wikipedia – they claim there are 1000’s of coal seam fires burning at any time and the CO2 produced has been estimated at 3% of global human CO2 production. Just google “coal seam fires”. His comments could be correct.
I have had the pleasure of attempting to put out an underground coal seam fire. It is very difficult to impossible.
I have no idea if the number is correct, but I wonder how Mr Nabhan would propose to put coal fires out. People do try to put them out. And sometimes they succeed. But every one of them is going to be different and some of the fires have been burning for centuries.
BTW, Wikipedia says the fires cause 3% of global CO2 emissions, not 3% of human CO2 emissions.
Apparently there is a data base that lists 100 coal seam fires in the US in 2010 and the folks that monitor the fires think the actual number of fires was probably closer to 200. A number worldwide in the thousands seems very plausible.
Chinese coal fires alone, account for as much CO2 as all US auto emissions.
http://www.newscientist.com/hottopics/climate/climate.jsp?id=ns99993390
I’m getting a “page not found.”
Now that you’ve had time to look up some of the posted references, where is your apology to the author about being so certain his numbers are made up? Oh, I see, your 97% certainty is just as misinformed and ignorant as the 97% certainty bandied about by climate alarmists.
@saveenergy, 2:34 pm. Good artical – BUT…, but what, before you put down people check just the one that has been butning in the USSR for decades.http://englishrussia.com/2008/03/25/darvaz-the-door-to-hell/ and all of these:Coal and Peat Fires: A Global Perspective: Volume 3: Case Study,
thanks it only takes like 97 seconds to see the truth.
@ur momisugly save,Sorry here is the connection:https://books.google.ca/books?id=8R8tBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA541&lpg=PA541&dq=Coal+fires+in+the+USSR&source=bl&ots=x-fJHjtLKV&sig=FjIYgSBPtCFC11vR5QvfaxZxLj0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjl8N3X_q3MAhVR-mMKHX5RAbQQ6AEIIjAB#v=onepage&q=Coal%20fires%20in%20the%20USSR&f=false
It’s called irony.
10,000 is not a “very exact figure”, it’s between 9,000 and 11,000.
10,001 is a very exact figure, it’s between 10,000 and 10,002.
The climate in one sentence: We are at the end of a brief interglacial within an ice age and in one of only two CO2 crashes in earth’s history.
Nice. Works. True.
All one has to do is look at the 1970’s to determine what will happen when it gets cold again. The world was down to one month’s worth of food. Back to back super harvests brought on by a warming trend saved us. That was the year the US government had farmers planting ” fence post to fence post”. The current crop of climate experts deny that happened. ( oh yea, it was in the popular media, not in the scientific) Too bad they weren’t there having to make decisions. They’d have an entirely different view of global warming. You mean it might warm an additional 2 C by 2100!! Thank goodness!! Yes the 1970’s were cold, but not LIA cold. Talk about a real doomsday, I can’t imagine. We have nuclear weapons now. And there are a couple of crazy groups of people who have stated they will win by ” any means necessary”. And a few others, that pushed to the limits, would join them.
Very true.
I remember the 70’s. We starved …the Carter democrats poured food into ditches and burned it to prop up prices.
Now we have bumper crops…and incredible machines driven by diesel to plant and harvest them
That’s true. Dumping food and burning it happened after the super harvest when temperatures started to recover. We have bigger crops now for several reasons, one of which is genetics . Without a doubt the infrastructure of the US is very effective at producing food. Food, however, won’t grow if it’s cold. And there were some cold years in the early 70s. But again, not LIA cold.
CAN I PRINT THIS AND MAIL IT TO MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT IN OTTAWA AND TORONTO.
This is plain English with real guts. Thank you Mr. Nabhan.
It is a pleasure to read: wonderfully written and a real pleasure.
Regards,
WL
Any b.s. that makes reference to the “end of days” is likely coming from the same small group of sick men who are descendants of those who deliberately mis-interpreted the scripture.
Its about messing with the fat and water between the ears.
Who stands to gain from all that propaganda??
the people who profit from the hysteria are the ones that keep saying the end is in ten years…and ten years later and ten years later.
I can’t imagine that Obama reads the scriptures.
great post. I had a friend who was the youngest of 8 whose father experienced the war in Mexico. According to that eye witness testimony mounted banditos entered town and demanded Villa o Carranza? and the villagers hoped they guessed the right answer to the question.
Great article.
“What is most certainly coming is not going to be a kindler, gentler, warmer Earth. What our descendents of some generations into the future are much more likely to face is something that actually kills: cold—bitter, unending, crop-killing, planet-changing cold.”
Even in much shorter term there is a need to be aware and prepared. This is what I wrote only yesterday
“……. it is necessary for sceptics to tell truth as they understand it to be, not the way we like it to be.
This could be important, since in the decades to come I expect N. Hemisphere to revert its past trend of warming into a trend of cooling.
While warming was and is beneficial, consequences of falling temperatures could be serious, not only directly for the ‘older’ section of population, but also for the efficiency of food production. If cooling does happen, population needs to be made aware of problems it would bring.
Warmers might jump on the band wagon but no one would believe them any more.
If sceptics stick to the truth now, they may not be, and must not be seen as scaremongers in a possible falling temperature scenario.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/04/24/particulates-aerosols-and-climate-the-more-important-story/
I concur, vukcevic . . and wonder mightily about these words from the post;
“One might expect that after five thousand years of embarrassing doomsday flops sophisticated people in the twenty-first century wouldn’t sit still for it anymore. ‘
This is very troubling talk to me . . Bordering on incitement to persecute any who warn of serious danger . . I denounce such calls in the strongest possible terms.
Bravo
Very well said.
There was a world-ender that came true — for the dinosaurs. What is neglected, though, is that a few million years before the end, a new species of dinosaur evolved (the “Troodon”) which was human-sized, had binocular vision and an opposable thumb. It is usually said that had they had a few million more years, they could have evolved into dino-people. But that misses the very salient point that perhaps they did indeed do so, built a civilization, and then wiped themselves out along with all the other dinosaurs — i.e., the “impact event” which left a layer of residue all over Earth could instead have come from the end game of that civilization. Maybe we just don’t have Troodon fossils from the last million years before the end.
Wrong, Troodon did not have thumbs,only three fingers and we can only guess at its vision..Troodon was nothing more than a type of Raptor..
http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/prehistoric/troodon-formosus/
binocular vision = eyes in front of head, like us. The fingers were semi-opposable, they could rotate individually. Go back 2M years and I suppose our own ancestors were also nothing more than “raptors”.
NZ Willy,
I’d be r4eal skeptical about what has been said of critters like toodon, certainly in regard to it’s human-like atributes. From the dino-wiki;
” Its eyes were large (perhaps suggesting nocturnal activity) and slightly forward facing, giving Troodon some depth perception. In fact most reconstructions give Troodon eyes which point in a more forwards direction than almost any other dinosaur, which implies that it had better binocular vision than most dinosaurs.”
Not “eyes in front of head, like us”, and the smarts talk is really about them possibly being as smart as birds . .
My last sentence was “Maybe we just don’t have Troodon fossils from the last million years before the end”. So I was supposing that the Troodon could have evolved to become even more human-like in the last 2M years before the end, and that we just don’t have those fossils yet. I’m not saying it *was* that way, but that there’s plenty of scope for saying it *could have* been that way.
but CO2 is a personal thing….according to the greenies
Qatar has the highest CO2 emissions…per capita
…but that doesn’t fit the narrative of “developing countries”
Qatar looks pretty developed to me…
http://science-all.com/image2.php?pic=/images/qatar/qatar-04.jpg
Brilliant article! I’ve bookmarked this one. David? I hope you give talks too because you’re good at it.
As for the ideology of today, some will still be screaming “global warming” with chattering teeth while the snow and ice closes around them. What will our great nephews and nieces have to say about our current conjecture of imminent and catastrophic warming? I hope to live long enough to find out. It won’t be flattering I’m sure!
I agree with everything except poisoning your list by including Y2K as a “goofy episode of human foolishness”. It was a serious problem, taken seriously, analyzed and solved reasonably. The many who helped solve it are not well served by that part of your argument.
I think the point there is that we coped with it and there was no disaster. We weren’t “doomed” as many claimed we were at the time – that claim (roughly that civilization as we knew it would end) was indeed “goofy”.
There were two frames of reference. One referred to a technical problem, observable and repeatable. The other, and this is where it became “goofy”, was the prophecy of a catastrophic anthropogenic global waning caused by a comprehensive [technical] dysfunction.
Masterful use of the English language, David Nabhan.
Are you referring to times that it was generally agreed that climate did not change and that humans had no influence whatsoever? We have been there, overcame it because of evidence, glacials/inter-glacials first, thereafter the recognition AGW is real. Taking centuries to convince people by evidence in both cases.
https://www.aip.org/history/climate/index.htm
Never in the Earth’s 4.6 billion year history has the climate NEVER changed..It is you liberal greenies who are pretending that the climate does not change NATURALLY..again and again..all by itself ! You and yours are the real climate change D’nyers…
Settled science being overturned by evidence. 1) climate does not change. Overturned by geological evidence of glacials/inter-glacials. Scientist agree because of evidence.
2) humans cannot influence climate. All evidence show they do. Scientist agree because of evidence (receding glaciers, Arctic and Antarctic melt, heat increase in ocean, sea level rise, species migratory pattern, surface temperature, tlt temperature).
..The only ones that EVER claim that the science is “settled” is you and yours !! .The only ones that EVER claim that ” The climate never changes” is you and yours..CAGW critics do not claim that man has no influence on the climate, just that it is small and not catastrophic !! Last but not least, Antarctic ice has been growing, not shrinking and the little bit of Arctic ice melt is caused mostly by Nature..
You are running thin on arguments, Marcus. Whatch the arctic ice this season. Love!
..Sure Wagen, I’ll take advice from someone that can’t spell WATCH !!
Somebody needs to tell wagen that correlation is not causation. It’s been warming now for hundreds of years and the ipcc claims that possibly as little as half of the warming of the last half century is caused by mankind. (and the ipcc’s record on modeling is so shaky that their claim is shaky at best as well) A hypothesis is but a hypothesis until verifiably proven true…
Wagen,
Few would deny that humans influence climate. What living thing doesn’t? But all of the evidence you provide to make the case is just evidence of a warming planet. None of it makes the case that it is influenced by us.
Wagen,
“Whatch the arctic ice this season. ”
Maybe you should look at the data on Arctic (with a capital A) sea ice plots and find out that they have not be working correctly for some time now and no recent data is shown.
What are you imagining is the current sea ice plot just now without data?
Wiggins says: “2) humans cannot influence climate. All evidence show they do. Scientist agree because of evidence (receding glaciers, Arctic and Antarctic melt, heat increase in ocean, sea level rise, species migratory pattern, surface temperature, tlt temperature).”
All of those things happened before humans were around, and will happen after we’re gone. No evidence that we’re the cause of these things happening now. Are you saying glaciers have never receded before? Aren’t advancing glaciers more of a problem? Ice has never melted at the poles before now? Seal levels have never risen, receded, risen, receded, etc, before now? You can’t be serious.
“ipcc claims that possibly as little as half of the warming of the last half century is caused by mankind”
IPCC’s best guess is about 110%
Saying AGW is real is like saying gravity is real. It’s a meaningless statement. There were eighteen years of no warming. The equivalent would be an apple suspended in air for eighteen years without falling.
The AGW theory has no predictive value. All of the (model) predictions have been wrong, all of them. It’s a political movement not a scientific one.
You need an update:
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201603
Wagen April 26, 2016 at 5:02 pm
You need an update:
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201603
The NOAA data was adjusted (Karl et al) to hide the pause. I’m well aware of what they did. Surface temperature data sets are archaic and worthless.
Wagen, follow the evidence.
‘the average global temperature across land and ocean surface areas for 2015 was 0.90°C (1.62°F) above the 20th century average of 13.9°C (57.0°F)’
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201513
‘The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for March 2016 was the highest for this month in the 1880–2016 record, at 1.22°C (2.20°F) above the 20th century average of 12.7°C (54.9°F).’
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201603
Can you explain why the20th century average for global land and ocean has dropped a further 2.1°F Since the annual summary was released? Sure is a moving feast.
When the coming La Nina wipes out the temperature spike from the now past El Nino, will Wagen become suicidal?
Lee, nice catch. But the global average land and sea temp didn’t just drop between the 2015 annual report and the paragraph you cited early in the 2016 March report. Apparently, it dropped another 0.4°C (0.8°F) before they finished writing the Report:
“The first three months of 2016 were the warmest such period on record across the world’s land and ocean surfaces, at 1.15°C (2.07°F) above the 20th century average of 12.3°C (54.1°F)…”
That’s a total drop of 2.9°F, without which, both the March 2016 and the first 3 months of 2016 would be BELOW the 20th century average, rather than above – the first by 0.7°F the 2nd by 0.83°F.
“When the coming La Nina wipes out the temperature spike from the now past El Nino, will Wagen become suicidal?”
And when it doesn’t will Marcus kill himself? Marcus do you have a point to make that can’t be deflected back as easily as I just did? I would be happy to hear one, bot expecting one through.
Except there is still no empirical evidence only model results
what you and I call evidence are two very different things, experimental science trumps maths theories any day of the week
Oh and of course what a cherry “climate did not change”
Yep, Wagen you said this in your desperation to be right you went full circle and outed yourself for the crazy you are lol.
“Climate did not change”
I’ll pass on getting into the meaning of “generally agreed” and it’s meaningless worth
Oh and it (the source) still calls it global warming, isn’t it climate change now?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Luntz
Wagen,
Thanx for the propaganda link. But that’s all it is.
Of course you would call it that.
It is an endorsement 😉
I call ’em as I see ’em, wagen.
Btw, is there a 24h response time here as well? Don’t want to be late 😉
[??? .mod]
??? .mod
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/04/24/letter-are-these-politicians-lying-or-just-stupid/#comment-2198939
” We have been there, overcame it because of evidence, glacials/inter-glacials first, thereafter the recognition AGW is real.”
Wagen, are you claiming that man caused glacials/inter-glacials ?? If not, ” thereafter the recognition AGW is real ” is nonsense !
Just follow the link. It explains the understanding of climate. Scientists first didn’t believe it but they had to be convinced by evidence
@ur momisugly Marcus, 4:55 pm, the more I read wagen’s comments and rebuttals the more I think he is failed “A” I.
Markus, learn. Man thought climate didn’t change until they found it did .
Man thought man can’t change climate until man found out man did and does.
This Website created by Spencer Weart
“A hypertext history of how scientists came to (partly) understand what people are doing to cause climate change.”
Spencer Weart?
People once thought that the climate did not change.
Therefore CO2 is going to kill us all.
Thank you, Sir!! That was worth reading!
“I can vouch that scientists are the most tight-lipped people on the planet”
Scientists? Tight-lipped? You got to be joking! You are making stuff up! The most prestigious professors I know are constantly asking questions while at the same time expressing what they think (annoyably unstoppable in that respect).
What are they professors of? Is this part of the CAGW crowd? They tend to be noisy, but then they have something to sell. Apologies if I sound cynical.
I’ll put it another way. If the professor you are talking about believes in the 97% consensus, then he is not of the quality of scientist David is referring to. He’s not in the same league.
General observation! Professors like to hear themselves. Think this works for all faculties. Have to be noisy to get on top of the heap after all.
I do not think the author ATL knows much about science because of how he characterizes it.
let’s please don’t conflate scientists and professors…
Good point, Latitude, my mistake. 🙂
Okay, so, Wagan, you’re talking general observation of teachers and the like? That’s fair enough. The way I understand it, the author here is talking about scientists who are deep into their science, as in tucked away in their labs, as in they don’t want to be disturbed, the type that doesn’t much come up for air and doesn’t give a hoot for consensus or politics. I don’t think they much care for getting or being “on top of the heap” either, that seems to be more a political concern (how one looks to friends and peers, how to advance one’s career, how much money they get or how many papers they can put their name to). I understand he is referring to those deeply in it for the science alone. “Pure” scientists for want of a better term.
wagen says, “like to hear themselves. Think this works for all faculties. Have to be noisy to get on top of the heap after all.”
==================================
sounds like the entire CAGW list of who’s who, but it does not sound like serious scientists. Shooting one’s mouth off while not knowing what one is talking about, that sounds like a CAGW troll proponent, but it certainly does not sound like a scientist who follows the scientific method.
My thoughts too, David A, not in it for the science.
“sounds like the entire CAGW list of who’s who, but it does not sound like serious scientists. Shooting one’s mouth off while not knowing what one is talking about, that sounds like a CAGW troll proponent, but it certainly does not sound like a scientist who follows the scientific method.”
“Shooting one’s mouth off while not knowing what one is talking about”
Mmmm, now where else have I come across that.
Oh, yes here.
Wagen, It’s mostly that true scientists speak less of “certainties” and more of “possibilities” when they honestly present their hypotheses.
True scientists are always willing to discuss and defend their data and methods with any who feel they might have calculations or data which falsify their theory.
After all, one’s time is wasted looking for more and more complicated ways to defend the flawed assumption which founded the theory.
If you look at the statements Dr. Roger Revelle made recanting his assumptions of the warming potential of CO2, you will find that he was one of the last true scientists to dominate the study of “greenhouse” (a misnomer) gasses.
This article could be called an anthropological analysis of the “world is ending” paradigm. A similar analysis could be done of “Big Science”. Have you ever spent a few hours in the library reading 100-year-old science journals? I have. Rarely have I seen such an unending roll-on of ludicrous pap. The laudatory articles are outnumbered by the claptrap 3-1 or 4-1. Those who extol Big science today, especially AGW, should explain why today is so different from science up to 2 generations ago.