Guest essay by Eric Worrall
The long running Rossi E-CAT cold fusion saga may be about to collapse in a heap of lawsuits, with accusations flying, of intellectual property theft and fraudulent energy technology claims. The dispute appears to centre around the non-payment of an $89 million licensing fee, upon successful completion of a $11 million e-cat test. Industrial Heat claims E-cat does not work, and they are therefore refusing to pay any additional money.
RESEARCH TRIANGLE, N.C., April 7, 2016 /PRNewswire/ — We are aware of the lawsuit filed by Andrea Rossi and Leonardo Corporation against Industrial Heat. Industrial Heat rejects the claims in the suit. They are without merit and we are prepared to vigorously defend ourselves against this action. Industrial Heat has worked for over three years to substantiate the results claimed by Mr. Rossi from the E-Cat technology – all without success. Leonardo Corporation and Mr. Rossi also have repeatedly breached their agreements. At the conclusion of these proceedings we are confident that the claims of Mr. Rossi and Leonardo Corporation will be rejected.
Industrial Heat continues to be focused on a scientifically rigorous approach that includes thorough, robust and accurate testing of promising LENR technologies. Our goal remains to deliver clean, safe and affordable energy.
SOURCE Industrial Heat, LLC
New Energy Times, a news outlet dedicated to low energy fusion news, is scathing in its criticism of Rossi and his E-Cat.
Andrea Rossi, a convicted white-collar criminal with a string of failed energy ventures, is suing Thomas Darden, JT Vaughn, and their affiliated companies Cherokee Investment Partners LLC, Industrial Heat LLC, and IPH International B.V. for fraud. Rossi is accusing them of stealing his intellectual property.
Judging by all available facts known to New Energy Times, although Rossi and his Leonardo Corp. may have some patents and patent applications, there is no evidence that he has any working system that can produce commercially relevant amounts of excess heat based on what is contained in Rossi’s published intellectual property.
According to the complaint, Industrial Heat had paid Rossi $11 million for a license to what he calls his Energy Catalyzer, or E-Cat, an assembly of copper pipes that he says can produce 1 megawatt of commercially useful excess heat from low-energy nuclear reactions (LENRs). Attorney John Annesser, with the Silver Law Group in Islamorada, Florida, is representing Rossi. Annesser has been licensed for four years. Before that, he worked as a general contractor.
According to the license agreement, Industrial Heat was supposed to pay Rossi another $89 million after the successful completion of a one-year operating test in February 2016. Some of the accusations in the complaint, filed in U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida, appear suspicious.
The full text of Rossi’s lawsuit is here (courtesy of New Energy Times).
The original Fleischmann cold fusion efforts were an attempt to produce conventional nuclear fusion reactions in an unconventional way – to use an electrically stressed platinum Palladium lattice to create the extreme compression required to ignite a nuclear fusion reaction.
There is an expected radiation signature of nuclear fusion reactions – emission of fast neutrons. Nuclear fusion production of neutrons is so prolific, that many commercial neutron generators actually use a nuclear fusion core as the source of radiation.
Although Fleischmann’s experiments were never satisfactorily replicated, Fleischmann’s original claim included detection of helium and neutron fusion products.
Rossi took his claims in a different direction. Rossi explained the lack of radiation from his E-Cat, by claiming he is harnessing new type of nuclear reaction, which uses the weak nuclear force (conventional fusion uses the strong nuclear force).
We all hope that one day nuclear fusion power plants will be possible (Nuclear fusion for other purposes, such as neutron generation, is already very possible, and has been for a long time). I am a fusion optimist – I believe the fusion power problem is on the verge of being solved.
Rossi’s exotic explanations about how his apparatus produces nuclear energy without radiation leave me cold. If I am wrong, Rossi will receive an abject personal apology, which most likely would be lost in the vast snowdrift of personal fan mail he would undoubtably receive. But at this point in time, I am very skeptical of Rossi’s claims.
Update (EW): The Fleischmann experiment used a Palladium electrode, not Platinum (h/t Steamboat McGoo)
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If so many people are working on cold fusion and it has been demonstrated successfully so many times, then why is everything so dependant on what Rossi does? If in the last 6 (or more) years Rossi has fiddled around with this, anyone could have beaten him to market. If of course all this other research and success is going on. That no one in 30 years and Rossi in however many haven’t been able to provide a convincing demonstration should be all you need to know.
Because Rossi appears nearest to commercial operation. He is hoping to have another 1 MW plant operating in Europe in the next month or two.
Adrian Ashfield: Because Rossi appears nearest to commercial operation. He is hoping to have another 1 MW plant operating in Europe in the next month or two.
Keep us posted. My prediction is for no more than another “successful test” followed by immediate shutdown and no useful sustained power output to any paying customer.
Adrian, Rossi has always had “another plant that he hopes to have operating….” as an explanation. It’s been 10 years or more, if he can’t produce something conclusive in that time, it’s a scam. His background says it all I’m afraid.
E-Cat, like wind and solar fall under the category of a solution looking for a problem.
So, what is the problem? The problem is sociological. Engineers are not going to solve it because like CAGW, the problem is in the heads of a few people.
Clearly, energy affords us many benefits. In a modern society, we have all food and energy we need. The power industry is not having a problem keeping the lights on.
We do not need an unlimited supply of power, we just need a finite supply.
So what do people do who live live in a wonderful time of plenty? They worry that we will run out. Thus energy has to be renewable or made with water via fusion.
This is why we have politicians, to solve the problems they invent. They solve the problems that engineers can’t. Obama gets his picture taken next to a solar panel or a wind turbine and proclaims he has saved us. Making people feel better, priceless!
LENR will likely replace most fossil fuel over the next several decades. It is not “looking for a problem.”
why do you want to replace fossil fuels?
I powerfully believe that LENR is going to be “a few decades away” much as hot fusion has been “a few decades away”…for 5 decades.
Unlimited free energy isn’t actually a perfect good. There is very much a defined limit at which the extra heat produced by energy use causes environmental degradation. However, this would be offset by being able to move to other planets and star systems.
Not holding my breath, though.
What wsbriggs said…
Rossi looks suspiciously like a charlatan to me, but I don’t know enough to say for sure, and there seems to be some indications that suggest IH could be dealing dishonestly, as per Adrian Ashfield’s post above. That will all play out eventually, but ultimately has no bearing on the reality of LENR.
There has been a *lot* of work done by a very diverse group of people, including many at reputable industrial or governmental agencies that have without question shown excess heat generation and in a couple of cases tritium production. It’s just that nobody seems to know how to replicate it, so it doesn’t count as science yet. We’re in the realm of phenomenology, akin to the chef’s secret of copper pots and eggs that Geoff Withnell mentioned above, or the fact that nobody knew why willow bark extract/aspirin worked as a pain reliever and anti-inflammatory for a century or so after it was discovered.
There’s absolutely no question in my mind that LENR is real (nor do I understand how there could be a question in anyone’s mind who’s read thoroughly on the subject), but we simply don’t know what’s going on yet. The fact that current theory suggests it couldn’t possibly be happening is simply an indication that whatever is going on isn’t covered by current theory, or at least by the way we’re applying it. Saying something can’t be happening because it doesn’t fit our theories makes about as much sense as claiming climate catastrophe is inevitable because computer models predict it.
Just because there may be hucksters and shady businesspeople who’ve latched onto the idea, or strikingly bizarre or inconsistent theories proposed to explain it doesn’t in any way invalidate that large numbers of respected researchers have seen excess heat and some evidence of nuclear reactions (the tritium thing).
I don’t want to start a flame war, so probably shouldn’t say it, but it’s more than a little mind-boggling to me that here of all places, we have people saying that something that’s been observed to happen couldn’t actually be happening because current theories (models?) can’t explain it.
A big problem with manufacturing a new technology is the learning curve in figuring out what you have and how to use it. Eric Worrall won’t be happy until there are GW electrical plants built by cities. (Heck, one is near enough to run all of New Hampshire.)
Little detail: the test E-Cat systems have either produced low temperature process heat, or have discarded the heat. The “Hot-Cats” should be usable to produce high temperature steam, but I don’t think they’ve been hooked up in a boiler yet.
Little detail: I think Rossi et al have had a lot of difficulty controlling the E-Cat. From what I gather, it’s almost a perfectly designed device if you want thermal runaway. In general you take fuel away from something and it stops converting energy. The fuel here is part of the device – nickel, lithium, and hydrogen. The main way to control it is to keep it cool enough so that the cooling system isn’t overwhelmed. I suspect it will be a while before anyone wants to be near a 1 GW E-Cat plant that could start producing 10 GW uncontrollably.
Before Rossi linked up with IH he was a lot more talkative and was quick to warn people keen on reproducing the effect to be very careful. They seem to have made a lot of progress in controlling the
beasts, but don’t expect the rapid scale up we’d like to see.
So it does not work yet. Like Eric, I would be impressed if it worked as well a wood stove in New Hampshire.
It will never work. Scam!
So if only there was a way to absorb a large amount of heat for a relatively short period of time… right. You know something to “sink” the heat in… A “heat sink” if you will… if only…
More weak-sauce excuses.
LENR has been replicated many times. See the links to ~1700 papers at http://www.lenrproof.com
A good introduction is Mats Lewan’s webinar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ3S3YMH96s&feature=youtu.be (That I have linked before)
Dave Etchells. Here, here.
Dave Etchells: I don’t want to start a flame war, so probably shouldn’t say it, but it’s more than a little mind-boggling to me that here of all places, we have people saying that something that’s been observed to happen couldn’t actually be happening because current theories (models?) can’t explain it.
I’d recommend some care in language and observation.
1. What has been reliably demonstrated is table-top (or bench-top) production of neutrons for making isotopes for biomedical research. Those devices are net consumers of electricity.
2. There is a much larger body of research “demonstrating” no consistency in heat or gamma radiation production. To date, those demonstrations are not reliably better than chance fluctuations in heat distribution and measurement error. It isn’t intrinsically more suspicious than the surprisingly large amount of non-reproducible research published in the medical and psychology journals, except that the rate of non-replication is much higher.
3. Rossi’s claims (and claims of a few other researchers) of consistent power production after an initial startup period. Had the claims been accurate and reliable over the last 6 years, there is no reason that working devices could not be in place all over, doing useful work. Now Rossi claims to be accelerating production units that produce either high temperature steam or electricity in 1MW amounts.
Nothing in class 1 suggests that class 2 devices are capable of producing net power beyond the electricity fed in during power up. Nothing in classes 1 and 2 combined supports Rossi’s claims of practical units any time soon. It would not take much to prove me wrong in the next 2 years. What I anticipate is increasingly baroque explanations of why the “successful” tests have not led to successful installations of power-producing units.
“There’s absolutely no question in my mind that LENR is real (nor do I understand how there could be a question in anyone’s mind who’s read thoroughly on the subject).”
Well put. Exactly so. Leave aside the Rossi saga for a moment and there is abundant evidence by now, cited in the 60 minutes video already posted and many many other places on the internet, much of it from experimentalists like Rob Duncan whose credentials are beyond reasonable dispute. Anyone who doubts this is either uninformed or engaging in groupthink.
What’s the latest from the Melvin Dumar Institute of Technology in Utah?
Is Polywell Fusion now a forbidden word? Because on of my comments up thread did not post. Or was it some other word?
M Simon, I wouldn’t be surprised. I have had several comments on LENR censored.
I would even think that it possible IH took a very large sum or promise from a government proxy source to tie this issue up in courts until a legislation platform can be erected to control the technology and monies and or taxes prior to its public release….
I don’t think it is possible to stop it now. There are other countries that have Rossi licenses. My guess is China will be the first because their pollution problem is so serious and their government can move faster.
The Chinese may be a lot of things, but they are not credulous suckers for these types of scams.
Here is a paragraph from a piece I’ve just submitted to my local paper.
“The Department of Energy (DOE) has failed miserably. Their record is a series of unmitigated disasters in renewable energy, the never ending clean up of the radwaste at Hanford, and major support for hot fusion projects whose success is always fifty years in the future. Even if the $25 billion ITER Tokamak reactor works it will never be an economical solution. It is supposed to run for up to eight minutes in 2025. DOE were largely responsible for shutting down research on cold fusion and have refused to look at recent progress. My letter of 7/7/2015 about LENR to the Secretary of Energy Dr.Moniz, carefully routed through the Director of the Office of Science Dr. Dehmer, has not been answered. DOE should be held accountable.”
Oh, try not to be so glum…I here there is one hot fusion project that is only twenty or thirty years away from possibly working. ( Albeit only as a proof of concept, not as a functional power plant. Since when does the Federal gubnamint decide on the worthiness of big money schemes by how economical or sensible they are. Sheesh!)
ps. They have lots of Worralls at DOE.
An interesting demonstration of excess energy must be distinguishable from a cheap magic trick. So far, nothing interesting.
Ric Werme April 8, 2016 at 12:50 pm
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“The “Hot-Cats” should be usable to produce high temperature steam, but I don’t think they’ve been hooked up in a boiler yet.”
Hooked up to anything ever?
even walking on a tin roof would be proof
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“Little detail: I think Rossi et al have had a lot of difficulty controlling the E-Cat. From what I gather, it’s almost a perfectly designed device if you want thermal runaway”.
So let one “runaway and stand back, heck a pile of molted metal would be fantastic proof!
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.” The main way to control it is to keep it cool enough so that the cooling system isn’t overwhelmed.”
So if we control it we can never use it or prove it? Wonderful.
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” I suspect it will be a while before anyone wants to be near a 1 GW E-Cat plant that could start producing 10 GW uncontrollably.”
How about starting with a 0.1 GW E-Cat plant that could start producing 1 GW uncontrollably.”
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I had a mate who believed in that Irish scam of 3% interest a day on his $10,000 investment.
Lots of happy testimonials.
He was so angry with me for a week when I showed him it was a scam, much richer but still angry.
Ric, keep the belief up in some form of limitless power, who knows what the world holds, but throw this particular version under the bus.
Not really, chemical energy can produce enough heat to melt metal. Think thermite. More impressive was the Lugano setup that ran for a month and produced a lot more heat energy than could be done with chemicals.
Don’t be silly.
The Hot-Cat can run at red heat levels. It needs a production design that can be used in a boiler.
A correction I believe:
$11 million isn’t the cost of the 1 year E-cat test, it was the amount paid for a successful (in IH’s eyes) 24 hour test to obtain the IP license from Rossi, which is supposed to include all his intellectual secrets and the right to sell the technology in certain territories (as well as the right to sublicense the technology as much as IH wants, apparently). I don’t think any mention has been made of the costs of the 1 year test itself, other than the plant is supposed to be 1 – 1.5 million.
There has been much sloppy data strewn around in this thread. See science reporter Mats Lewan’s more comprehensive take here.
https://animpossibleinvention.com/2016/04/09/heres-my-hypothesis-on-the-rossi-ih-affair/
Lewan’s writing is worthless(and absud) conjecture, however there are quite a number of excellent comments below the lewan nonsense.
For example
Also excellent coment by
Thomas Clarke April 9, 2016 at 17:19
and more by
maryyugo April 9, 2016 at 16:40
This is the third major fr@ud, of which we know, that Rossi has carried out. Much more on the Rossi saga at
http://freeenergyscams.com/
Maryyugo? I haven’t been following the LENR comments at any source closely for a while. Maryyugo is one reason why. She reminds me too much of Anthony’s Sou.
Ric Werme what you mean is that you have absolutely nothing to counter maryyugo’s posts. Below is an exerpt from one of his posts at
https://matslew.wordpress.com/2015/02/21/will-lenr-reach-mass-adoption-faster-than-any-other-tech/#comment-4709
Everyting that maryyugo writes is incontrovertably correct; of course a true believer doesn’t want to read maryyugo’s truth telling.
We are now in the Q2 of 2016. Let’s meet back here during Q2 of 2018, and review the progress of the E-Cat devices. I am betting that there still will be no installed device providing reliable work to a paying customer.
If an E-Cat could reliably produce hot water at a lower cost than simply heating the water by electricity, it could power an ammonia/water (aka “gas”) air conditioner for a substantial building. Given the E-Cat, everything else can be made from off-the-shelf parts.
oops, I meant “given the E-Cat fuel”
Rossi’s statement to the court under oath has legal consequences. IH’s press release does not. Note IH did not say the 1 MW plant did not work. Apparently the 1 MW plant has been refueled and is again working without Rossi being there. Until you see the ERV;s report (that supposedly says the COP was close to 50,) the court charge is the only thing with legal weight. Anything else you see is hearsay.
“The Physics of why the e-Cat’s Cold Fusion Claims Collapse”
http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2011/12/05/the-nuclear-physics-of-why-we/
It take a bit of effort to understand the physics of the claims being made,
however, the above article makes it clear why the e-CAT, so-called, is
obviously another fraud on the part of Rossi.
You should note that’s from 2011. Did they produce an update after the Lugano demonstration?
Not likely. The implacable critics of LENR rarely seem to update their conclusions based on new evidence. That’s why when someone like Rob Duncan does update his conclusions, it is so impressive. This writer maintains in 2011 that “In the past, claims of cold fusion have been unable to be scientifically reproduced under controlled conditions.” This was not true then (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VymhJCcNBBc), and it is even less true now.
I’m still waiting to make up my mind about the Rossi/IH dispute, but it seems highly probable whatever the outcome that the LENR revolution is now underway. There are too many other competent researchers in the field to stop it now.
Red herring.
The physics of aneutronic fusion has not changed in last five years,
just as it has not changed since atoms first formed in the universe post Big Bang.
Rather the correct question to ask is
“Has Rossi demonstrated gamma photon production by his setup which would lend credence to his claims?”
Or as the authors correctly noted,
“If aneutronic fusion is actually taking place in the e-CAT, then how come Rossi is not dead yet (from gamma radiation).”
The answer is that there is no aneutronic fusion taking place in the fraud that is the e-CAT built by the con man Rossi.
All that is being done is that the products are being “salted” in the mining sense with copper whose composition is that of the store bought variety rather than the products of aneutronic fusion.
If one understands the physics, then one can spend one’s time productively elsewhere rather than clutching at straws about news of such an obvious fraud.
No, Ignatz–LENR doesn’t require gamma ray production because the Low Energy Nuclear Reaction doesn’t obviously doesn’t work the same as “aneutronic fusion”. What you have done is added credibility to the existence of LENR rather than destroy it.
Are you one of those “theoretical nuclear physicists” that are so stuck in the paradigm of the past 100 years or more that something new is untenable and unfathomable? If so, you have antiquated yourself.
Correction: “doesn’t obviously doesn’t work” should be “obviously doesn’t work”.
Rocky road you clearly do not understand anything at all about nuclear physics or even language for that matter. If you understaood language you’d know what “aneutronic” means. Clearly you don’t. Rossi claims to be transforming nickel into copper by the addition of protons(the hydrogen). This is by definition “aneutronic fusion”. If fusion where taking place(and it isn’t) then there would be gammas.
Rossi is a serial fraudster. His first big one was Petroldraggon in Italy. Not a drop of oil produced. His next big one was perpetrated on the DOD/DOE with his Thermoelectirc generator. He collected a few million dollars for this one and none of the devices he delivered generated more than one Watt. Most generated nothing. None of them were constructed by Rossi. All were bought from a San Diego company and were junk of Russian origin.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://shutdownrossi.com/&gws_rd=cr&ei=jkcLV8PiOInQjAO536WoBw
http://freeenergyscams.com/
acementhead,
Please get you facts right. Rossi backed off the process being converting copper to nickel years ago. I don’t know of anyone who thinks that now except for you.
Unlike what you wrote, Rossi was aquitted of any wrong doing with Petroldraggon. He was cleared of any wrong doing with his thermoelectric contract too. I’m sure you won’t let any small details like that effect your libelous statements.
ps. Should you be interested (doubtful) you might start by following this link on Rossi’s history.
https://www.lenr-forum.com/old-forum-static/t-2384.html
AA My facts are correct. There is no such thing as “the ecat”. Rossi’s claims change all the time, as do the physical structures of his alleged “ecat”. The 1 Mw ecat is merely 102 of his original 10 Kw(claimed not actual) ecats cobbled together in a shipping container. The steam cat was claimed to convert nickel into copper. Originally Rossi claimed gammas but when questioned by Florida’ s Bureau of Radiation Control Rossi denied that any nuclear reactions were taking place
http://coldfusion3.com/blog/rossi-investigated-over-radiation-concerns-rossi%E2%80%99s-us-office-location-revealed
Whether Rossi was convicted or not is irrelevant, the fact remains that Petroldragon was a fr@ud. Rossi was unable to make oil from rubbish, as he had claimed to be able to do. Rossi was never tried for his Thermodynamic generator fr@ud. When the government idots throw away taxpayer money they are not keen to have their stupidity revealed in court, thus no trial for that fr@ud and thus no “cleared of any wrongdoing”. But again, conviction for fr@ud is irrelevant. Rossi claimed to be able to do something which he could not. He also claimed that he personally constructed the “generators”. He did not. That was a lie. They were secondhand junk for Russia.
Any site with ecat or LENR in the name is worthless. They are all fanboi sites where no dissent is permitted. Any post with criticism of Rossi or LENR is not published. The link below has an uncensored discussion. People may post in favour or against Rossi. I suggest you pop over and tell people such as ben m, a working nuclear physicist, that they are wrong and that Rossi does have the goods.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=288671&highlight=rossi+ecat
Adrian Ashfield April 11, 2016 at 12:46 pm
I am far more familiar with Rossi’s history than I should wish to be. I’ve wasted hundreds of hours, in the last 4 years, reading about Rossi and his various sc@ms. No site with lenr or rossi or ecat in the title is worth spending much time on as they all publish only comments in favour of Rossi. No criticism is permitted.
Below are links to site with unbiased information. The first site appears to be offline at present but the Google cache(link’s below) is functioning fine.
http://shutdownrossi.com/
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://shutdownrossi.com/&gws_rd=cr&ei=3jsMV4KMBM_kjwP-3LT4Bg
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://shutdownrossi.com/e-cat-science/hanno-essen-admits-recent-test-of-e-cat-not-science/&num=1&strip=1&vwsrc=0
More information at Free Energy Sc@ms
http://freeenergyscams.com/
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://shutdownrossi.com/e-cat-science/hanno-essen-admits-recent-test-of-e-cat-not-science/&num=1&strip=1&vwsrc=0
Didn’t Elizabeth Shue already demonstrate workable cold fusion?
RockyRoad April 10, 2016 at 5:28 pm wrote:
“No, Ignatz–LENR doesn’t require gamma ray production because the Low Energy Nuclear Reaction doesn’t obviously doesn’t work the same as “aneutronic fusion”. What you have done is added credibility to the existence of LENR rather than destroy it.”
I see. It’s special in that this one process can uniquely violate all know laws of physics.
Sounds like an investigation by the Roman Catholic church is more appropriate, as we are apparently witnessing a modern day miracle right in their own backyard.
Or the Amazing Randi.
“Are you one of those “theoretical nuclear physicists” that are so stuck in the paradigm of the past 100 years or more that something new is untenable and unfathomable? If so, you have antiquated yourself.”
😆 If ignorance is bliss, you’ve attained Nirvana.
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html
Rossi has what may be a well deserved terrible reputation. This is really not about him though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyroelectric_fusion
No David A you are wrong. It is absolutely about Rossi Below I quote the Heading verbatim.
As Rossi is the only person who claims to have an “ecat” and Rossi is the only person who, two years ago, claimed to have sold all his IP in “the ecat” to Industrial Heat then this post is all about Rossi and nothing else. Well his ecrap too I suppose.
Pyroelectric fusion has nothing to do with Rossi’s e-CAT.
It is a novel method to perform standard and well understood D-D (Deuterium – Deuterium) fusion.
Note that the required experiments, 1/ detection of 820 keV helium-3 nuclei and 2/ detections of 2.45 MeV neutrons, were performed and reported.
In the case of Ross’s e-CAT with aneutronic proton + nickel fusion, the analogous experiments would be to 1/ look for back to back 511 keV gamma photons and 2/ analyze the copper products for their isotopic mix which would be different from naturally mined and refined copper.
As this is a simple fraud being perpetrated by the con-man Rossi,
both key experiments have been studiously avoided.
See
http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2011/12/05/the-nuclear-physics-of-why-we/
Ignatz Ratzkywatzky, “I see. It’s special in that this one process can uniquely violate all know laws of physics.”
Well you make it clear that you are totally ignorant about the laws of physics. Obviously you haven’t read any of the many current theories of how LENR works, that don’t break any laws of physics.
The customer who was using the “test” process in an actual production facility in North Carolina for 352 days has now ordered 3 of these units for its’ facilities in Europe! That doesn’t sound like a failure of the process to me!
There is no “customer”. The President of “the customer” company is Rossi’s lawyer. It is just more Rossi lies and shenanigans.
Rossi has been lying about “the ecat” since the begining. He is still lying about everything.
http://freeenergyscams.com/andrea-rossis-e-cat-project-began-with-intentional-false-and-misleading-statements/