Guest essay by Eric Worrall
The long running Rossi E-CAT cold fusion saga may be about to collapse in a heap of lawsuits, with accusations flying, of intellectual property theft and fraudulent energy technology claims. The dispute appears to centre around the non-payment of an $89 million licensing fee, upon successful completion of a $11 million e-cat test. Industrial Heat claims E-cat does not work, and they are therefore refusing to pay any additional money.
RESEARCH TRIANGLE, N.C., April 7, 2016 /PRNewswire/ — We are aware of the lawsuit filed by Andrea Rossi and Leonardo Corporation against Industrial Heat. Industrial Heat rejects the claims in the suit. They are without merit and we are prepared to vigorously defend ourselves against this action. Industrial Heat has worked for over three years to substantiate the results claimed by Mr. Rossi from the E-Cat technology – all without success. Leonardo Corporation and Mr. Rossi also have repeatedly breached their agreements. At the conclusion of these proceedings we are confident that the claims of Mr. Rossi and Leonardo Corporation will be rejected.
Industrial Heat continues to be focused on a scientifically rigorous approach that includes thorough, robust and accurate testing of promising LENR technologies. Our goal remains to deliver clean, safe and affordable energy.
SOURCE Industrial Heat, LLC
New Energy Times, a news outlet dedicated to low energy fusion news, is scathing in its criticism of Rossi and his E-Cat.
Andrea Rossi, a convicted white-collar criminal with a string of failed energy ventures, is suing Thomas Darden, JT Vaughn, and their affiliated companies Cherokee Investment Partners LLC, Industrial Heat LLC, and IPH International B.V. for fraud. Rossi is accusing them of stealing his intellectual property.
Judging by all available facts known to New Energy Times, although Rossi and his Leonardo Corp. may have some patents and patent applications, there is no evidence that he has any working system that can produce commercially relevant amounts of excess heat based on what is contained in Rossi’s published intellectual property.
According to the complaint, Industrial Heat had paid Rossi $11 million for a license to what he calls his Energy Catalyzer, or E-Cat, an assembly of copper pipes that he says can produce 1 megawatt of commercially useful excess heat from low-energy nuclear reactions (LENRs). Attorney John Annesser, with the Silver Law Group in Islamorada, Florida, is representing Rossi. Annesser has been licensed for four years. Before that, he worked as a general contractor.
According to the license agreement, Industrial Heat was supposed to pay Rossi another $89 million after the successful completion of a one-year operating test in February 2016. Some of the accusations in the complaint, filed in U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida, appear suspicious.
The full text of Rossi’s lawsuit is here (courtesy of New Energy Times).
The original Fleischmann cold fusion efforts were an attempt to produce conventional nuclear fusion reactions in an unconventional way – to use an electrically stressed platinum Palladium lattice to create the extreme compression required to ignite a nuclear fusion reaction.
There is an expected radiation signature of nuclear fusion reactions – emission of fast neutrons. Nuclear fusion production of neutrons is so prolific, that many commercial neutron generators actually use a nuclear fusion core as the source of radiation.
Although Fleischmann’s experiments were never satisfactorily replicated, Fleischmann’s original claim included detection of helium and neutron fusion products.
Rossi took his claims in a different direction. Rossi explained the lack of radiation from his E-Cat, by claiming he is harnessing new type of nuclear reaction, which uses the weak nuclear force (conventional fusion uses the strong nuclear force).
We all hope that one day nuclear fusion power plants will be possible (Nuclear fusion for other purposes, such as neutron generation, is already very possible, and has been for a long time). I am a fusion optimist – I believe the fusion power problem is on the verge of being solved.
Rossi’s exotic explanations about how his apparatus produces nuclear energy without radiation leave me cold. If I am wrong, Rossi will receive an abject personal apology, which most likely would be lost in the vast snowdrift of personal fan mail he would undoubtably receive. But at this point in time, I am very skeptical of Rossi’s claims.
Update (EW): The Fleischmann experiment used a Palladium electrode, not Platinum (h/t Steamboat McGoo)
I’m surprised so many posters here at WUWT are dropping their sceptical attitude (the positive, enquiring scepticism, the Feynman kind) when it comes to subjects other than global warming. Rossi and his kind, they come in all shades from the the fraudster to the overeager researcher, have been making promises since the Fleishcman and Pons claims in 1989.
“Real labs” – like at major universities, research institutes and major corporations have failed to replicate energy release or anything nuclear. In well designed experiments watched over by a multidisiplinary staff they just don’t find anything that require fusion to happen and they never detect the tell tale high energy radiation.
For a lab set up to work with radiation this is easy to measure and categorize and would reveal the underlying process. Please don’t invest in anyone before they provide this kind of data.
Ask yourself:
If E-Cat is working why is Rossi not lisensing it to the likes of GE, Siemens, Kawasaki and Hyondai since his presentation in 20111?
With the patent process stalled outside Italy, why haven’t they able to documented it works to the satisfaction of the EU and US patent offices?
Many a good sceptic has looked into this and taken the time to explain what fails to come together in Cold Fusion in general and E-cat in particular. In the best tradition of the educationg scientis (think Judith Curry or Roy Spencer) they write things like
https://medium.com/starts-with-a-bang/the-e-cat-cold-fusion-or-scientific-fraud-624f15676f96#.f7ykxitx3
Before you brand me a nattering nabob of negativism, please check out google, wikipedia or arxive.org for articles on Cold Fusion / E-Cat for relevant concerns from scientists that has looked into the matter and taken the effort to report their issues. They have no commercial gains from this but do it in the name of science because they see people can be misled by what is at best wishful thinking but possibly also a scam.
There is a difference between skepticism, and denial absent evidence.
Rossi’s behavior is not unique. The classic example has been the Wright Brothers, who wanted to profit from their invention and so did not display it to the public; they wanted to sell it to the highest bidder.
As a result, they gave very private, closed demonstrations. For years, the editors of Scientific American did not believe the Wrights had achieved what they claimed, for precisely the same reasons you give here.
I am not “credulous”. I am skeptical. I am content to wait for real evidence before making pronouncements.
The Modus Operandi of E- Cat was suspicious-sell first, research later. It had a fishy smell to me. Sounded too good to be true…….Still ,Rossi had plenty of limelight for these years. Been following it for several years-always seemed too good to be true.
We need a WUWT museum of fabulism. Items to be included-a hockey stick, suitably mounted up a backside of said inventor. Next exhibit-an original IPCC report that has not been used as toilet paper. Bathrooms of said museum will have IPCC report printed toilet paper, complete with UN logo. Do note, among the dishes served at the cafeteria- hotdogs with chilli and prune relish. Rusting burned (from catching fire) and rusted wind turbines complete with mangled eagles. A little library of books churned out by Mr Flannery for some “inspiration” at the bathroom if the hotdogs not one’s style.
It is funny to see people disbelieve climate science and fall for ecat scams on the same page.
Steve,
Ecat scat seems to be quite popular. I’m not eating it. I’m not buying it either.
Mr. Mosher…I think few disbelieve climate science, just like few disbelieve climate change.
It is “climate science” they are skeptical of.
Climate liar “climate science” most particularly.
Hell, I studied climatology for a few years in college.
I drink up real science as a salve for my soul.
Steven Mosher: people disbelieve climate science
Who disbelieves climate science?
Except several groups verified an effect before he ever sold it. For there to be nothing here a range of groups from several nations were all in on the scam, before he ever attempted to sell it for a paltry amount. Where mosher is surprised people think there might be something here Im rather surprised after reading the comments that most of the third party groups who tested this are not being referenced. If this is a complete scam it is a rather strange one when you go over the groups who verified an effect.
This seems like the last place in the world anyone should believe anything is true just because some other person said it is so.
We all know people will say and do anything…any…thing…if the price is right.
If I find out most other climate skeptics believe this stuff is true but just needs to right person to make it work…well…
Here is a far easier way of making money
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-35994279
“Tata Steel made hundreds of millions of pounds selling carbon emissions permits given for free under a European Union emissions trading scheme, experts say.”
No need for cold fusion just play the green energy game.
We shouldnt forget the post from Anthony Watts back in 2011 regarding Rossi
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/11/27/andrea-rossi-and-the-magic-coffee-pot-reactor/
Personally, I think that’s one of Anthony’s more forgettable posts. 🙂
Ric Werme, What has been the progress in the last 4 !/2 years? One steam table running 24/7/365 at a single Denny’s would be more than what has been demonstrated. How about powering the traffic lights at a busy intersection in Los Angeles, Singapore or Beijing? How about for pumping water in the Imperial Valley or Torrey Pines Golf Course?
Per Rossi-related stuff the major progress has been:
Developing the Hot-Cat, something that runs hot enough to be able to produce high pressure steam. (The original E-Cat was limited to boiling water and similar process heat applications.) This is what ran in the month long test at Lugano.
Developing the “E-Cat-X” that can produce electricity directly. Rossi has said very little about this, but has said something about a test unit going to a potential customer in the UK.
Getting a better handle on controlling the devices, and getting them to run without external power.
Avoiding external demands to produce scientific papers to make the science establishment happy, or dealing with requests for traffic lights when there is a huge amount of R&D work to do. I find it odd you’re focused on public displays. You have a lot to learn about why most corporations keep new products secret until a few months before they’re released. (Rossi has a lot to learn in that area too.)
Non-Rossi stuff includes a greatly increased interest in the field, both among people interested in reproducing the E-Cat and among people interested in doing things differently. I’ve lost track of everything that’s going on.
Ric Werme: Developing the Hot-Cat, something that runs hot enough to be able to produce high pressure steam. (The original E-Cat was limited to boiling water and similar process heat applications.) This is what ran in the month long test at Lugano.
Developing the “E-Cat-X” that can produce electricity directly. Rossi has said very little about this, but has said something about a test unit going to a potential customer in the UK.
So it could power a yacht on a round-the-world voyage, should Rossi or someone choose to do so?
“something about a test unit going to a potential customer in the UK”? If he’d give me the unit on consignment, I’d test it for him. I’m a statistician enrolled at ResearchGate, and my published papers get downloaded and read from time to time. I’m small fry, but Rossi seems to have had trouble getting reliable partners. He could trust me not to halt the test when it became “boring” (that’s from a Rossi quote about an earlier test); showing that a device is working is never boring.
I do a binge read of Rossi-related stuff about every other year. I’ll be on the look-out for working installations of those devices. Think of all the school and municipal swimming pools on the look-out for cheap, reliable heating. And the strip malls, fitness centers, and homeowners associations that could use cheap, reliable electricity.
Ric Werme: I find it odd you’re focused on public displays. You have a lot to learn about why most corporations keep new products secret until a few months before they’re released. (Rossi has a lot to learn in that area too.)
that is based on his past pronouncements of imminent production and descriptions of how the units work, and descriptions of the tests that the units have passed. Reliable delivery of manufactured products has generally been about 2 – 3 quarters in the future. According to a quote above, Rossi is accelerating production now. According to his descriptions and accounts of his devices, he does not need to license the technology to produce whole units. He could buy the components and have them delivered to an assembly plant, and like the Japanese auto manufacturers, he could have multiple vendors for the parts. Only his fuel system is secret, and he could produce (as he claims to have already) sufficient fuel for at least a few manufactured units per week.
We can address a lot of these topics again when next I binge read in response to something here. If I am wrong, you and others will be rich from backing Rossi, and you can gloat over me.
This type of nuclear fusion does happen in the universe.
It occurs in the biggest supernova events for just a few minutes duration as the universe’s very largest stars end their lives. Not everyday supernovas, only the very largest ones.
Could it happen in a cold reaction chamber. Maybe? It you want to get rich, just prove that you can do it. You would be rich regardless of patents and everything else. Very simple demonstration that should be easy to set-up and you are a world hero.
That was always missing in this picture. We are only left with “maybe” when a simple demonstration was all that was required.
+ a whole big bunch
Perhaps to prevent world changing inventions from being held up by greed and the desire to corner a market, or fear of having them stolen by others who are faster to market, or better situated to take advantage of said developments , perhaps if there was some big automatic prize for the first person to demonstrate a technology that could lift the bulk of the world out of energy poverty (or whatever metric could be chosen for such breakthroughs), then we could all be spared the charlatans and hasten utopia on earth.
The sad case of Nikola Tesla comes to mind, who is almost surely the man most responsible for the electrical energy that powers so much of our lives, and yet whom died in poverty.
Lets assume the physics did work. There is still a huge step to an energy producer. One must convert the heat and protect against the neutrons. Highly nontrivial. Especially if you want it to be economical.
One of Rossi’s claims is no radiation from his ECat.
There is no known aneutronic fusion process that involves protons (hydrogen) + nickel into copper that does not involve the production of gamma photons.
http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2011/12/05/the-nuclear-physics-of-why-we/
Production of such gamma photons would be strong evidence that the e-CAT is doing what Rossi claims.
Yet the results of the obvious experiment have never been presented
Rossi and his e-CAT were a fraud, to sucker the scientifically illiterate, from the start and continue to be so.
Rossi is a “con man”. Pons and Flieschmann were (Flieschamann has passed on) not con men.
The Electric Power Research Institute, through SRI Int. duplicated P&F’s claims, carefully and in detail. All availible on their webside. No really “good theory”. But also, no way to scale.
The paper is on the SRI International site, not the EPRI site.
You can read it, if you are not up to speed with your electrochemistry, it will make your head hurt.
Short story. They are doing calorimetry. Typical is 80 ma in to the cell, heat out equal to ~100 ma. So they see excess heat. They prepare the electrodes, get `60% of them show some effect. They compare the electrode grain/crystal structure to observed activity.
Is that millamps?
That is not a unit of heat, or even energy, or even power.
What is the voltage?
5 milliamps is how much current my brains sends to my wrist and finger muscles to type this.
E-cat is a scam. There are myriad ways by which the so-called videos could/would have been faked.
As for other forms of fusion – the reason it continues to be 50 years away, and why this gap has yet to close, is that the containment systems are fundamentally unstable. Many creative ways have been thought up, but so far that I have seen – none actually fix the problem of localized magnetic eddies causing instability which in turn causes unpredictable leakage – i.e. a constantly high possibility of localized environmental damage leading to catastrophic failure of containment.
The process of fusion in the sun doesn’t have to worry about this because containment isn’t an issue.
Cold fusion attempts to get around this via some arcane, chemistry like function, but yet again the problem is that even *if* fusion is occurring, it occurs as a quantum randomness function – i.e. unpredictable – which again is fundamentally unsolvable.
Now for the sanity check part of this comment:
Thus cold fusion theory isn’t a well understood quantum function like in Flash memory/Fowler Nordheim, but a very poorly understood and documented function more like Casimir radiation.
I’d also note that Fowler-Nordheim is not actually well understood in the physics sense, but is well understood in the engineering sense. There aren’t good physics-based explanations why Fowler-Nordheim tunneling is so predictable in a flash memory cell but not in pretty much all other situations other than the validation that electrons are indeed wave-particles rather than particles.
Cold fusion, on the other hand, is neither well understood in a physics sense NOR in the engineering sense. Pun intended.
It is very well understood in the *wink and a nudge* sense.
Polywell Fusion has an answer for the instabilities (oscillating beams). Can it produce net energy? It has never been scaled up enough to give a yes/no.
Polywell architecture is another example of a nice sounding idea. However, it still uses magnetic fields. As I note above, there are fundamental problem with magnetic fields.
There are also likely problems with wave-particles. Even should the target hydrogen, helium, deuterium atoms be controlled, the containment has to control all of the other particles that can result.
Thus far, it hasn’t been done – at least with any system that actually produces net power.
Maybe they will sell it to the Chinese like like Hillary did with A-123.
Sale of Michigan company to China may haunt Clinton
http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2015/06/05/clinton-sale-michigan-china-gop/28525387/
WASHINGTON – National Republican Party officials are questioning why Hillary Rodham Clinton did not intervene in the controversial 2013 sale of high-tech battery plants in Michigan to a Chinese firm when she was secretary of State and could have done so.
At a campaign stop in New Hampshire last month, Clinton, the leading Democratic candidate for president, expressed concerns about the sale of A123 Systems — built with millions in government aid — along with those of other new energy firms, to Chinese investors, calling them “unfortunate” and a “serious” problem for high-tech industries in the U.S.
“That does concern me because a lot of foreign companies, particularly Chinese companies … are looking to buy American companies,” she said in response to an entrepreneur who mentioned A123’s sale while commenting that venture capital for new energy technology has largely fled overseas.
Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus, in a statement to the Free Press, called Clinton’s remarks “lip service” considering that as the former secretary of state, her department had a “role in signing off on these sales,” including A123’s to Wanxiang in early 2013.
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http://dailybail.com/home/links-chinas-wanxiang-wins-us-taxpayer-funded-a123.html
Secretary of State Clinton Announces 100,000 Strong Foundation
http://100kstrong.org/2013/01/24/secretary-of-state-clinton-announces-new-foundation/
Wanxiang, the University of Chicago, and the Paulson Institute Sign New 100,000 Strong Initiative Agreement
http://100kstrong.org/2016/01/26/wanxiang-paulson-institute-and-university-of-chicago-sign-new-100000-strong-initiative-agreement/
Read the article and the current comments–still don’t know what is going on with Rossi. I do not see how it could work and not produce neutrons–wouldn’t it require rare helium isotopes?
Cold fusion is, and always was, a crock.
Read Gary Taubes’ “Bad Science” for the story of incompetence, wishful thinking and hysteria surrounding the original cold fusion debacle.
There is SOMETHING moving around under Rossi’s cloak. It walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck. Rossi says it’s a swan. For years and years people have been paying Rossi to remove the cloak. For years and years, Rossi has taken the money and failed to remove the cloak, always with the excuse that the swan will fly into the hands of others. I find it incomprehensible that the man can still get up a crowd.
LENR explained:
https://youtu.be/lfrJzkpzCyg
This is the side of con-artists many don’t realize: They don’t care if they are outed as cons. They *want* *your* *money*. We see this demonstrated by the climate crisis hustlers, UFO pushers, etc. daily. Rossi is just being very blatant about it.
The only thing that Rossi has succeed in doing to-date is separating suckers, er, credulous investors from their money
The physics of proton + nickel aneutronic fusion:
scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2011/12/05/the-nuclear-physics-of-why-we/
Ra-ro (as Scooby would say).
The LENR effect has been demonstrated by MFMP in open experiment, Navy SPAWAR, NASA, and other independent sources. A few references:
http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/
https://youtu.be/VymhJCcNBBc
http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/sensors/PhySen/docs/IPAG12_Presentation.pdf
http://www.elforsk.se/Global/Omvärld_system/filer/LuganoReportSubmit.pdf
http://etiam.fi/files/Report_part5.pdf
Perhaps the physics of LENR has been explained by the Swedish Institute of Space Physics.
papers – Institutet for rymdfysik
The real issue is whether or not the 350 day test sponsored by Rossi and Industrial Heat that was reported to have been monitored by an independent evaluator approved by Rossi and IH, actually produced heat with a COP>6. There is a law suit involved, the report is not available.
Since Rossi and IH have been working closely together since 2012 and IH [not Rossi] was responsible for the E-CAT LENR experiment in Sweden with the resulting Lugano report , why did it take this long for IH to say “it doesn’t work”?
Considering there is a law suit disputing $89M, that IH sold E-CAT to the Chinese government, and IH convinced a big UK investment firm to invest $50M or so; if there is any truth to be found on the internet, it is buried in B.S. and guarded by lawyers.
There is simply far too much money at stake to expect the truth to come out except perhaps in the trial. I’m willing to wait to see if the real facts come out in the trial.
Well since I’m a big fan of “ideation” I suppose that IH could be one of those secret and abusive Gov. “front companies” that is attempting to suppress what would be a technology very upsetting to the established order (and it wouldn’t be the first time).
The simple test: Does energy out, exceed energy in? Get rid of the smoke and mirrors and the flubdubbing and gobbledygook, and answer that question directly. It usually works every time. None of these inventions/ devices, demonstrate the existence of surplus energy.
If I’ve learned one thing watching Rossi, it’s that no public demonstration will ever convince anyone. There is always some trick that could explain the measurements of excess power.
talldave2: If I’ve learned one thing watching Rossi, it’s that no public demonstration will ever convince anyone.
Rossi has never conducted a demonstration long enough to show that excess power was produced. If he could produce excess power, he could have been selling it for years.
In 2009 60 minutes asked the American Physics Association to find them an independent scientist skeptical of LENR.
He went off to a lab in Israel, and came back convinced. As noted, many papers show excess heat.
Here is the 60 minutes video:
I think much evidence exists to support LENR. The issue of Rossi is separate from LENR being real or not. All Rossi has to do is deliver a product.
Regards,
Albert D. Kallal
Edmonton, Alberta Canada
I think the lack of neutrons is a problem only if one accepts the name “cold fusion” with the stress on fusion. Looking at documented transmutation products example Ni -> Cu but probably several transmutation steps in Ni before producing stable Cu it looks much more probable that what we see is a series of transmutation reactions not “fusion”. Of course D is consumed but the expected fusion “ash” isn’t produced (He and neutrons).
What is the problem? If fusion products aren’t found it probably isn’t fusion. If transmutation products are found (wrong isotope ratios) then it probably is transmutation.
Sigh.
On another note, if one cares to look, AMOCO, and Shell both had successful CF experiments in the ’90s. Los Alamos as well, in fact one of the leading lights of this area of research is a retired LANL physicist.
People are using metallized carbon nano-tubes successfully, as well as dual lasers with a beat frequency in the Terahertz range to stimulate reactions. The probable reaction chains are being studied, and some of them discarded. Research into the interaction via Brillouin zones within the reactive materials is underway and showing results. There are many, many other research projects worldwide, Russia, China, Japan, India, Italy, US, Canada – all of them are looking, slowly uncovering the secrets of lattice-based nuclear reactions. The existence of tritium as a byproduct is essential to demonstrate that an nuclear reaction has occurred. No, Tritium, no nuclear reaction as far as most of the current researchers are concerned. There are reaction chains which don’t require cloud-like miracles to happen, and no the probabilities don’t favor them normally or they’d be a lot more common. There appear to be at least three different reaction types, one of them occurring biologically and well documented.
All this real progress has been overshadowed by the get rich quick artists. TANSTAAFL. It will still take years more research to get things to where we’ll be able to have H2-Ni, Pd, Pt, or Ti batteries/reactors.
For those who are interested, follow the ICCF meeting publications. For those who aren’t or simply think it’s nonsense, just ignore it. The Universe is what it is, it is knowable, but it doesn’t give knowledge away for free, it take effort, many times a very lot of effort. Willis is a very good example of someone putting in the effort to understand what the Universe is about in one small but significant (for us) area.
Followed Rossi with curiosity and bemusement for a few years. There are actually several companies in the nickel-fusion LENR niche; Blacklightpower was one of the first, with their crazy “fractional electron states” and “hydrinos” which never made much sense. Rossi was a better publicist and his theory made more sense, but he’s also been able to deliver a commercial product.
Peer review means very little in the physical sciences, replication is the only real validation. Many of these experiments show significant power, but they have not been widely replicated, either because the whole thing is measurement error or because no theory is adequate to properly prepare experimenters to consistently obtain the same results (these kinds of technical issues doom new products all the time, even in areas of physics that are well-understood).
It looks like there is something going on in these LENR experiments (NASA is looking at this with some level of seriousness), but so far no one seems to have a theory than can result in anything commercially useful.
*also been unable to deliver a commercial product
“crazy “fractional electron states” and “hydrinos” which never made much sense.”
And if you think that physicists have all the answers, well here is one of those with an overview opinion of the field:
“Nevertheless, as a physicist travels along his (in this case) career, the hairline cracks in the edifice become more apparent, as does the dirt swept under the rug, the fudges and the wholesale swindles, with the disconcerting result that the totality occasionally appears more like Bruegel’s Tower of Babel as dreamt by a modern slumlord, a ramshackle structure of compartmentalized models soldered together into a skewed heap of explanations as the whole jury-rigged monstrosity tumbles skyward.
It would be surprising if the strange world of subatomic and quantum physics did not lead the field in mysteries, conceptual ambiguities and paradoxes, and it does not disappoint. The standard model of particle physics, for instance (the one containing all the quarks and gluons), has no fewer than 19 adjustable parameters, about 60 years after Enrico Fermi exclaimed, “With four parameters I can fit an elephant!” Suffice to say, “beauty” is a term not frequently applied to the standard model.”
Following is “view all”:
http://www.americanscientist.org/issues/pub/the-man-behind-the-curtain/99999
Following is page 4:
http://www.americanscientist.org/issues/pub/the-man-behind-the-curtain/4
So instead of using /0 as the special ‘view all’ flag they picked an arbitrarily large number =99999 and test for that, breaking the special case where a document does extend to 99,999 pages. If that happens (depending on how it’s coded) either the 99999th page or ‘view all’ function would be unavailable. With miniaturization and embedded systems… some day our entire civilization could be dangling from a single shoddy assumption like this.
There is evidence that this has actually happened. We seem to have misplaced the whole 13th century.
That is like Enrico Fermi saying, “With four parameters I can fit an elephant. But five and six are OK.”
Was it Fermi who said that…?
Point being that physicists are generally an arrogant and incestuous lot that will viciously attack any idea outside their circle, unless they can somehow purloin it for themselves. Note the attacks that occurred to those “cold fusion” Utah chemists with data at MIT manipulated to prove the opposite. So I would not automatically shoot down R. Mills theory of “Hydrinos” or physicist’s grandstanding that hot fusion is the only viable process at this level of LENR.
90% of the universe is composed of something that may not even be in the standard model String and M theory? Not even wrong? Pond and Fleischman found something real and I think Rossi has too. With sharks like IH circling it’s no wonder Rossi keeps his cards close My understanding was that Rossi could get a device patent but not one to cover the operating principle as he did not have an explanation that conformed with known physics. This is why he has to be so careful. I have followed this for years and even wrote to Rossi and was directed to Leonardo for distribution info five years ago So far it’s just as well I didn’t have the millions they were looking for. Lol!
TANSTAAFL, you know.
If unlocking massive energy could be accomplished with so little energy so easily, the Universe would be one never ending scream of torment. [looks around] No torment! Only unhappiness.
Schrodingers E-Cat: Dead inside and outside the box.
I’m sure it’s hiding, right under that thimble… no, this thimble… OMG no, I mean that other thimble over there..
Hell, Rossi can get ten million more just by producing the cat:
http://41.media.tumblr.com/59zTzQzwEnl1hxf8s8omKo75o1_400.jpg
Mr. Worral, I too look forward to your abject apology for representing the WUWT group-think view.
The one year trial of the 1 MW LENR plant was to be judged by the ERV (expert independent evaluater) jointly chosen and paid for by IH and Rossi. His report is supposed to be be very favorable, showing the plant operated with a COP ~50. The contract calls for a minimum COP of 6. As you have not seen it your bias is showing. Rossi has sued IH for not paying up. You piece suggests it is IH who is the aggrieved party.
Mats Lewan lays out the story clearly in his blog Impossible Invention that also has links to the legal documents. https://animpossibleinvention.com/blog/ I recommend you read this before writing about something you know little about.
From the three statements from Rossi he attaches, these three points will need some explaining by IH.
1. IH built the reactors used at Lugano and then delayed the start of the 1 MW plant trial by a year. They also filed patents without Rossi’s permission including a co-inventor whom Rossi said invented nothing.
2. Rossi gave IH the full IP and IH used it to make E-Cats that they demonstrated to Woodford, that resulted in Woodford investing about $50 million.
3. Brillouin has always made only electrolytic reactors before their agreement with IH in in April 2015. Then Brillouin made a public demo in Capitol Hill ( Washington, DC) with a device that is the Copy-Cat. Strange coincidence.
ps. With your ability to hide the facts you might be able to get a job at the IPCC.
If you believe there is groupthink occurring here, you are either not paying much attention or are simply disingenuous.
Oh, Adrian’s paying attention all right and he doesn’t like WUWT at all. Probably for the free-thinking that goes on here. A newcomer to this site, or even one not paying much attention, would have no reason to attack. Maybe Adrian is a “progressive” professor at a University or one of those “consensus scientists” – we seem to get a few of those.
You only have to look at some of the later comments to see that I was right about group think. I have written about LENR at least half a dozen times over the last several years. Several of my comments have been censored. The few replies I have received are always negative, saying it was pseudo science. As they didn’t learn about it at school they think LENR is impossible.
A,D,Everard,
I have visited this site daily for ~10 years. I have been convinced the IPCC had got it wrong for longer. Saying Worrall could apply for a job with the IPCC was the worst insult I could think of.
As no one follows LENR here most don’t know about the E-Cat QuarkX that will supersede the old design E-Cat. This pencil sized device (100 Watts) operates at up to 1400C and produces electricity directly. I doubt anyone here will believe that either.
I think everyone here will believe it when they see it, and when someone is making and selling these devices, and the buyers are mailing power and selling it for a profit.
But right now we seem to be at the “give me money for this great wonderful think I claim to have” stage.
Anyone with only the knowledge that is available at this point who is anything but skeptical at this point is a dupe.
We all know of plenty of instances where a lot of sciency talk substituted for actual verification, and in a great many of such cases, it turned out there is no “there” there.
If it is for real that fusion can happen and cheap power produced in an apparatus which can be built by any reasonably handy mechanic, fantastic.
Let’s see it.
BTW, I myself see a wide range of views expressed here, from “it is real and anyone who is not buying it is close minded”, to “this is a total and 100% scam, a con artists hoax, it’ll never work no how no way”, and then many somewhere in between.
With some overlap across the gamut of opinions.
Talk to some warmists or faithful Democrats, who question none of the dogma of the group to which they identify, no matter how ridiculous or obviously misbegotten…that is groupthink.
Do you suppose people ought to believe it because someone claims it is true?
Backing up a bit, does the apology have to be abject?
No contrite apologies accepted, then?
Mr Worrel offered abject.
Then the offered word should be accepted.
There is nothing in present physics which precludes LENR.
There is a lot, however, that precludes LENR as a controllable, net positive energy source.
All the hand-waving in the world cannot make up for a lack of reproducible test data.