The Guardian's Dana Nuccitelli uses pseudo-science to libel Dr. John Christy

By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley

One Dana Nuccitelli, a co-author of the 2013 paper that found 0.5% consensus to the effect that recent global warming was mostly manmade and reported it as 97.1%, leading Queensland police to inform a Brisbane citizen who had complained to them that a “deception” had been perpetrated, has published an article in the British newspaper The Guardian making numerous inaccurate assertions calculated to libel Dr John Christy of the University of Alabama in connection with his now-famous chart showing the ever-growing discrepancy between models’ wild predictions and the slow, harmless, unexciting rise in global temperature since 1979.

The chart, described by Nuccitelli as “simply another example of cherry picked data … presented in a multiply misleading way”, shows his comments. Each comment is then given in more detail in bold face, followed by the truth in Roman face.

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1. “The data are misleadingly misaligned” to start in 1979, so as “to visually exaggerate any difference between the models and data”. Instead, Mr Nuccitelli opines that they should have been aligned to a common baseline some decades in length.

Altering the baselines does not alter the trends. Nevertheless, to test Mr Nucccitelli’s allegation that Dr Christy had “misleadingly misaligned” the data, trends on the models’ predictions (red), satellites’ observations (green) and radiosondes’ measurements (blue) were expressed as centennial-equivalent warming rates of 2.22, 1.00 and 0.86 Celsius degrees respectively. The warming rate predicted by the models is thus some 2.22.5 times the warming rates observed by the satellites and radiosondes. The graph, therefore, correctly reflects a real and widening discrepancy between prediction and observation. Note also that the CMIP5 predictions were made in about 2010, so that nearly all the red curve represents hindcasts: yet still the models’ trend is excessive.

2. “No uncertainty ranges are shown whatsoever”. When they are taken into account, “the observations are consistent with the range of model projections”.

Data since 1979 for the CMIP5 models were not to hand. However, in 1990 IPCC (AR1, p. xxiv), on the basis of “substantial confidence” that the models on which it relied had captured all essential features of the climate, predicted near-linear warming of 1.0 [0.7, 1.5] Celsius degrees over the 36 years 1990-2025, equivalent to 2.78 [1.94, 4.17] Cº/century. The boundary between the two zones, marked with the red needle in the clock-graph below, is the IPCC’s then best prediction: warming equivalent to about 2.8 C°/century by now.

The very wide range of predictions made by the IPCC is shown as orange and red regions. The observed warming on the RSS and UAH satellite datasets, again expressed as centennial equivalents, is shown by the two green needles. The HadCRUT4 dataset, to Dr Jones’ credit, publishes its combined measurement, coverage and bias uncertainties, which are about 0.16 Celsius degrees either side of the central estimate. The satellite uncertainties are smaller. It is plain that there is no overlap whatsoever between the exaggerated predictions made by IPCC in 1990 and the rates of global warming since then shown by the satellites.

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3. “Observational data disagreements are hidden,” because “Christy’s graph also averages together multiple different observational datasets, which aren’t in terribly close agreement.”

In the present context, disagreements between trends on the RSS and UAH satellite datasets, for instance, would only be material if either of the datasets showed a trend close to the trend on the models’ predictions: otherwise, such differences would be inconsequential when set against the far wider difference between the trend on each observational dataset and the trend on the models’ predictions.

To test whether the two satellite datasets “aren’t in terribly close agreement”, their spline-curves and trends from 1979-2015 were separately determined and plotted. Results showed that the two curves are visibly in reasonable agreement.

To verify this, copy each graph on to a PowerPoint slide, start the presentation and then use the up and down arrows in rapid succession to make a blink-comparator.

Their centennial-equivalent trends are within a tenth of a degree of one another, whereas the differences between each of the two observed trends and the model-predicted trend are each an order of magnitude greater than the difference between them.

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4. “The chart isn’t peer-reviewed or easily reproducible”, in that “Christy doesn’t say which observational data sets he’s averaging together”.

Mr Nuccitelli did not email Dr Christy and simply ask for the information. On one occasion when I asked Dr Christy for some data to assist me in a paper I was writing, I received the requested data within 24 hours. My questions about the data were answered promptly, courteously, fully and helpfully. Furthermore, the chart is plainly labeled indicating that it was prepared using the online and publicly available Climate Explorer program and data maintained by the Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute.

Had Mr Nuccitelli done a little homework, he would have been able to find the following widely-circulated graph that actually lists 73 of the models used by Dr Christy, and shows IPCC’s ever-increasing confidence in the “consensus” proposition that recent global warming was mostly manmade. In fact, as Mr Nuccitelli knows full well (for his own data file of 11,944 climate science papers shows it), the “consensus” is only 0.5%. But that is by the bye: the main point here is that it is the trends on the predictions compared with those on the observational data that matter, and, on all 73 models, the trends are higher than those on the real-world data.

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5. “We don’t live on Mount Everest: the average elevation of the bulk atmosphere shown in Christy’s graph is 25,000 feet, which is just below the peak of Mount Everest, and not far below the elevation at which commercial aircraft generally fly. The temperature at such high elevations isn’t very relevant to humans.”

Mr Nuccitelli seems unaware that IPCC (2007), following Santer (2003), regarded the atmosphere six to eight miles up as highly relevant to humans: for that was the altitude of the model-predicted tropical mid-troposphere “hot spot”, the supposed “fingerprint” of manmade warming. The “hot spot” was supposed to warm at twice or thrice the tropical surface rate:

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The models were as wrong about this as about everything else. There is no “hot spot”, as the following graph from Karl et al. (2006) shows.

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If, therefore, Santer and IPCC had been correct that the “hot spot” was a fingerprint of anthropogenic global warming, the absence of the “hot spot” would have been the end of the profitable climate scam. However, the models and those who profit from their bizarre predictions were as wrong about this as they are about their other global-temperature predictions.

The truth is that the “hot spot” ought to appear if there is any significant warming of the atmosphere, and that its absence in real-world radiosonde measurements, shown in Karl’s graph, provides powerful confirmation that the satellite lower-troposphere datasets, rather than the surface tamperature datasets that Mr Nuccitelli criticizes Dr Christy (keeper of the UAH satellite dataset) for not showing on his graph, are accurate in showing little or no warming over the past two decades.

Furthermore, since the rate of warming diminishes with altitude, the effect of including the mid-troposphere with the lower troposphere in Dr Christy’s graph is actually to show a discrepancy between models’ predictions and real-world observations that is somewhat smaller than it would have been if the analysis had been confined to the lower troposphere alone.

Mr Nuccitelli also seems unaware that no small reason why John Christy’s graph shows temperature changes in the combined mid-troposphere and lower troposphere is that these are the zones in which the radiosondes take their readings.

6. “The rest of the global warming data show climate models are accurate. … For example, climate models have done an excellent job predicting how much temperatures at the Earth’s surface would warm.”

To test this remarkable assertion, the predictions of medium-term global warming made by the IPCC in 1990, 1995 and 2001 (red needles) were compared with the observed warming rates reported by three terrestrial (blue needles) and two satellite (green needles) datasets. The results showed that over each timescale – 26, 21 and 15 years respectively – the models had very greatly over-predicted the warming rate.

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7. “And then there’s ocean heating. … Climate models are doing a very good job predicting the rate at which the oceans are heating up.”

Mr Nuccitelli appears unaware that in the 11 full years of ARGO bathythermograph data that are available at the time of writing, from 2004-2014, the rate of warming of the upper mile and a quarter of the ocean was equivalent to just 1 Celsius degree every 430 years, as the graph of ARGO data shows.

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Furthermore, the temperature profile at different strata shows little or no warming at the surface and an increasing warming rate with depth, raising the possibility that, contrary to Mr Nuccitelli’s theory that the atmosphere is warming the ocean, the ocean is instead being warmed from below, perhaps by some increase in the largely unmonitored magmatic intrusions into the abyssal strata from the 3.5 million subsea volcanoes and vents most of which Man has never visited or studied, particularly at the mid-ocean tectonic divergence boundaries, notably the highly active boundary in the eastern equatorial Pacific.

How good a job are the models really doing in their attempts to predict global temperatures? Here are a few more examples:

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Mr Nuccitelli’s scientifically illiterate attempts to challenge Dr Christy’s graph are accordingly misconceived, inaccurate and misleading.

A report of the inaccuracies should be sent to the editor of The Guardian with a request for an explanation, for the inaccuracies, delivered in the snide, supercilious tone that is Mr Nuccitelli’s disfiguring trademark, are calculated to be unfairly damaging to Dr Christy’s reputation as a scientist.

In the event that the editor fails to take appropriate action against Mr Nuccitelli and his low brand of yellow journalism, the case should be referred to the newspaper editors’ watchdog body by way of a formal complaint, whereupon The Guardian will be compelled to correct its inaccuracies.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2016/feb/19/republicans-favorite-climate-chart-has-some-serious-problems

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February 20, 2016 11:14 am

Dana’s not the sharpest knife in the drawer…he’s more like a plastic spork…riding a scooter. 🙂
Wasn’t there a guy here yesterday named Dan that was all in a huff about defamation laws and such? I wonder if his “funds” are available to be used against Dana’s attack on Dr. Christy’s work? (sarc)

Reply to  Aphan
February 20, 2016 6:57 pm

” [ … ] not the sharpest tool in the shed [ … ] ” a tool none the less.

ConTrari
Reply to  Aphan
February 21, 2016 6:10 am

Not the sharpest tool, agreed. But a fake rubber theatre knife still achieves dramatic effect.

February 20, 2016 11:21 am

The Guardian used to be a really good newspaper. Until it discovered global warming a couple of years ago – rather late in the game, but they jumped in with both feet and now they won’t shut up about it, while real crises go unreported. It doesn’t have my respect any more. I wouldn’t bother complaining to their editors or their board – they will just twist your words in a prominent rebuttal of your complaint, and try to make you (whoever wants to make the complaint) look like a Neanderthaler.

Telboy
Reply to  Smart Rock
February 20, 2016 4:17 pm

No, it was never a really good newspaper – it always had a distinct undeclared socialist bias and was so full of typos that it was universally known as “The Grauniad”

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Telboy
February 20, 2016 9:51 pm

The Grauniad has never been suitable for anything other than lining budgie cages.

Mike
Reply to  Telboy
February 21, 2016 1:38 am

The Guardian is UK Labour Party’s newspaper. There is nothing “undeclared” about it left-wing bias.
It does do some outstanding journalism and is active in opposing government and spy agency over-reach, opposing gagging of the press etc.
Sadly, their usual jounalistic standards seem to thrown out of the window when covering climate. There is an almost daily stream of factually incorrect claims that they decline to correct when they are pointed out.
Should anyone wish to point out factual inaccuracies the readers’ editor can be contacted at:
guardian.readers@guardian.co.uk
Abuse will just be ignored , so at least take the time to present a credible criticism.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/dec/04/paris-climate-talks-what-difference-will-temperature-rises-really-make
If anyone wants an example of how completely screwed up and ignorant they are on science : cite this article, which claims that in a 4C warmer world ocean pH will decrease by 109% !!
That would take it into negative pH range , clearly they do not even have high school science knowledge to see how absurd that claim is.
Furthermore they attribute the garbage to the IPCC / Met Office at the bottom of the article.
Scientific nonsense and false attribution of their own stupidity.

indefatigablefrog
Reply to  Telboy
February 21, 2016 12:06 pm

Yeah, anyone outside of the U.K. who would like to try and comprehend or anticipate what the Guardian’s editorial position would be should simply ask themselves, “what would the Kremlin wish for?”
So, then we should expect the Guardian to support such nonsense as western unilateral nuclear disarmament (tick), a curb on the powers and scope of western intelligence (tick), the dismantling of the traditions of family cohesion, heterosexual preference, judeo-christian religious dominance, military spending (tick, for all of those) the disruption of the mechanisms of free market capitalism, (tick) and the expansion of state spending towards the ultimate dream of 100% of GDP being spent by the state – i.e. centralized state control and communism (tick).
As usual however, the western useful idiots have no idea where these brilliant modern ideas all came from…

rw
Reply to  Telboy
February 23, 2016 1:22 pm

Yes, it’s worth going back and reading about how Malcolm Muggeridge, who worked at the Guardian in the 30’s tried to warn the Western world about the forced famine in the Ukraine and was forced to quit the newspaper for his troubles.

Baz
Reply to  Smart Rock
February 21, 2016 12:35 pm

If you listen, you can hear the ticking…as the clock counts down…to the Guardian’s demise into yet another online news outlet. Tick…tick…tick…

MarkW
Reply to  Smart Rock
February 22, 2016 2:26 pm

The Guardian has always been a mouthpiece for the far left.

February 20, 2016 11:27 am

Mostly libel laws do not really get into scientific disputes in the US. Several clear cases of libel have been dismissed, largely as the judge did not understand any science (eg Lott v. Levitt).

indefatigablefrog
February 20, 2016 11:37 am

The guardian is seemingly incapable of correcting or retracting any non-factual nonsense that it publishes.
It is still possible to view their declaration that “Australasia has hottest 60 years in a millennium”.
Even though the paper upon which this claim was based, was retracted within hours of publication.
The link in their article carries a person to the place where the Gergis paper no longer exists.
The paper was retracted because it was scientifically flawed, or wrong, in ordinary terms.
But, the Guardian is only interested in the promotion of the original alarmist deception.
Because, as the great psychologist Lewandowsky (sarc) once demonstrated, “lies are likely to stick in your mind and resist information that debunks them”.
And nobody has made better use of that realization than Lew, Nutticelli, Cook and their chosen and compliant propaganda spouting mouthpiece, the Grauniad.
Here is the article based upon the retracted Gergis paper. Check the link:
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2012/may/17/australasia-hottest-60-years-study

Chip Javert
Reply to  indefatigablefrog
February 20, 2016 5:35 pm

frog
I doubt the Guardian is in the business (and I mean BUSINE$$) of “facts” – they only want “circulation”.
re: “…as the great psychologist Lewandowsky (sarc) once demonstrated, “lies are likely to stick in your mind and resist information that debunks them” – yea; so did Goebbels.

Gerry, England
Reply to  Chip Javert
February 21, 2016 5:20 pm

They get very little circulation which is why it is making big losses every year. If it wasn’t for all the copies the BBC buys to ensure everyone is on message it would be in big trouble.

Doug Allen
Reply to  indefatigablefrog
February 21, 2016 4:16 pm

The Guardian also ‘”protects” their readers from an other points of view. After posting civil responses with links to data that negate their reporting, I was blocked from any further posts over a year ago. Slate magazine and Scientific American has done the same, shameful behavior by any standard.

Reply to  Doug Allen
February 22, 2016 8:39 am

Mr Allen points out a very typical feature of the Guardian. It does not believe in free speech or democratic debate: only in proselytizing for whatever hard-Left causes are currently fashionable. Its print edition will soon go the way of the “Independent”, Britain’s other unlamented Communist daily. Thereafter, its online presence will carry less and less weight. If it had made some attempt to tell the truth, it would have stemmed the precipitate decline in its circulation, but the ideologues who edit and write for it preferred Communism to survival. They will end up with neither.

Harry Passfield
February 20, 2016 11:40 am

Quite right, Dana: ““We don’t live on Mount Everest: the average elevation of the bulk atmosphere shown in Christy’s graph is 25,000 feet, which is just below the peak of Mount Everest” – but then again, neither do we live in the depths of the oceans, even though “Climate models are doing a very good job predicting the rate at which the oceans are heating up”. So, which is it, Dana, wet or dry? Where do you live?
BTW, Dana: ‘Predicting’? Get with the program; isn’t it supposed to be ‘Projecting’?

Chris Hanley
Reply to  Harry Passfield
February 20, 2016 12:48 pm

“… we don’t live on Mt Everest …” but the oceans (0 – 700m) which are presumably well observed are heating up nicely as predicted according to Nuccitelli.

Harry Passfield
Reply to  Chris Hanley
February 20, 2016 1:57 pm

Chris: Your comment is not capable of being understood. At its most basic level I have no idea whether you are supporting or denying Nucitelli’s premise. I’d appreciate you expand on it.

Reply to  Chris Hanley
February 20, 2016 8:48 pm

Chris:
We must have missed where Nuttifruticelli predicted the oceans would warm at a rate equivalent to 1°C over 430 years.
Please provide the exact link where Dana manages this amazing bit of prognostication? While you’re at it, please provide Dana’s explanation/prediction for why the ocean is warming at depth, but not at the surface.
Please note that Dana is not known for honesty nor attention to accuracy; e.g. his parlaying 0.5% consensus as 97.1%.

DD More
Reply to  Chris Hanley
February 21, 2016 9:56 am

Chris did you just direct us to research conducted by someone in the pay of BIG OIL???
http://www.populartechnology.net/2013/07/dana-nuccitellis-paycheck-funded-by.html
Dana Nuccitelli is an alarmist blogger at Skeptical Science and The Guardian. He is also co-author of the falsely manufactured Cook et al. “97% consensus” paper. A shocking revelation was that Nuccitelli’s employer Tetra Tech is funded by “Big Oil”. Further research reveals that Tetra Tech is specifically being funded by ExxonMobil to lead the design and construction of their new 386-acre campus north of Houston, Texas. Tetra Tech was also hired by ExxonMobil to draft an environmental assessment for the Montana Department of Transportation to transport giant oilfield equipment modules through Montana to the Kearl Oil Sands in Alberta.
During a lawsuit that involved the National Wildlife Federation and the Sierra Club, Tetra Tech demonstrated their loyalty to “Big Oil” by testifying in defense of ExxonMobil’s proposal. “Hydrogeologist Bill Craig of Tetra Tech spent the morning on the stand as a defense witness called by MDT and Imperial Oil/ExxonMobil. Tetra Tech was hired by the oil company to draft the environmental assessment MDT required for the Kearl module project” Hypocritically, Nuccitelli railed against the development of Alberta’s oil sands, while simultaneously cashing his paycheck ExxonMobil helped pay for.

First rule of Climate Alarmists is ‘Never-Believe-Anything-From-Someone-From-Big-Oil’ You loose.

Barbara
Reply to  Chris Hanley
February 21, 2016 12:56 pm

LECTRIX, LLC, Merchant Transmission Developer
MATL – Montana Alberta Tie Line
SATL – Saskatchewan Alberta Tie Line
“LECTRIX owns a controlling interest in Roeder & Company, LLC. Roeder & Company, LLC is a tax credit syndicator (new markets and renewable energy tax credits), and renewable consultant.”
LECTRIX is an Oregon company.
“New Markets” is a U.S. Federal grant program.
This is science?

Barbara
Reply to  Chris Hanley
February 21, 2016 1:01 pm
MarkW
Reply to  Chris Hanley
February 22, 2016 2:29 pm

They are only warming up if you assume that a few dozen sensors are capable of measuring the temperature of the entire ocean to a few thousandths of a degree.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Harry Passfield
February 20, 2016 1:33 pm

+1, Mr. Passfield.
******************************
Anyone confused by D.N.’s propaganda: Just ask him, “Now where exactly did AGW proponents conjecture warming would start to happen?”
(Hint: It wasn’t “where we live.”)
(FYI: It hasn’t happened yet.)
Formerly Confused: “Well, then why in BLAZES is he going on so?”
Science Realist: CO2 UP. WARMING STOPPED. Bwha, ha, ha, ha, haaaaaaaaaa!
#(:))
FC: Yeah, okay, but, why does he waste his time?
SR: ££
“Follow the yellow brick road.”

Janice Moore
Reply to  Janice Moore
February 20, 2016 1:42 pm

FC: Heh, SR! I called D.N. to ask and he just hung up on me.
SR: What a surprise. Okay, here’s ntesdorf with the answer: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/02/20/the-guardians-dana-nuccitelli-uses-pseudo-science-to-libel-dr-john-christy/comment-page-1/#comment-2149699

Reply to  Janice Moore
February 22, 2016 9:47 am

Janice,
Waht do you expect? He’s just another of John Cook’s neo-Nazis:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8apmfouVO-Y/U3CCBVFmwPI/AAAAAAAABKU/Ci-CsSKCF0g/s1600/Herr+Dana.gif

Reply to  Harry Passfield
February 20, 2016 2:20 pm

“We don’t live on Mount Everest: the average elevation of the bulk atmosphere shown in Christy’s graph is 25,000 feet, which is just below the peak of Mount Everest”
Soooo….Dana is rejecting the only truly global measurements we have have because “We don’t live there”!?
So is he saying the only measurements that matter are where we do live? Then the most accurate measurements, to him, would be those most under the influence of the Urban Heat Island effect?
(That is where people live.)

Reply to  Gunga Din
February 20, 2016 2:40 pm

Impecable logic, and a great sound bite to add to my collection. Thanks.

Eugene WR Gallun
Reply to  Gunga Din
February 20, 2016 8:18 pm

For some odd reason I suddenly had a picture in my mind of Mr. Everest, snow all the way up except at the very top where it had all melted and bare rock was exposed.
Upper atmospheric heating, global warming proved!!!!
Perhaps I need a doctor.
Eugene WR Gallun
.

John Peter
Reply to  Gunga Din
February 21, 2016 12:32 am

Sounds as if the temperatures of the oceans are now a “no no” in climate change as we don’t live there. Bad for Karl 2015. Bob Tisdale can retire. What nonsense.

Guy
Reply to  Gunga Din
February 21, 2016 1:42 am

I mostly live in my house, office, and various malls. The temperature ranges from about 68 F to 75 F year-round. The trend line is flat.

Chris Hanley
Reply to  Harry Passfield
February 20, 2016 2:30 pm

“Chris: Your comment is not capable of being understood …”.
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I agree with your comment re Nuccitelli, I was being sardonic, one of my failings.

Reply to  Chris Hanley
February 22, 2016 12:55 am

Chris:
Apologies to you!
While your remark did strike me as not in character, I completely missed any sarcastic sardonic hints. A sometimes failing many excellent critics have until they blurt out, “I’m being sarcastic!”, to us denser specimens.
Keep up the wit!

seaice1
Reply to  Harry Passfield
February 21, 2016 2:57 am

Possibly he is suggesting that atmospheric data are not the appropriate dat set to use. Surface temperatures would be a better metric.

Michael D
February 20, 2016 11:41 am

I must say, milord, that although I admire you as a great source of wisdom, I’m not a big fan of the clock graphs.

richardscourtney
Reply to  Michael D
February 20, 2016 12:52 pm

I must say, Michael D, that although I abhor anonymous internet popups as wasters of pixels on my computer screen, I’m not a big fan of trolls who say they don’t like effective graphical presentations.

Reply to  richardscourtney
February 20, 2016 6:41 pm

I abhor anonymous internet popups as wasters of pixels on my computer screen

Mr. Courtney,
I respectfully submit that some of us feel strongly the need to retain some anonymity in order to not have our livelihoods stolen from us by those in power because we don’t subscribe to the obviously wrong consensus.
I believe the Federalist Papers arguing for the ratification of the US Constitution, possibly the most powerful and uplifting document defining a method of governance in history were published anonymously (Publius) rather than under the authors’ names (Madison, Hamilton, Jay).
I believe that the content of a post should be evaluated on its merit rather than by the “title on the cover”.
…just sayin’

Mike O.
Reply to  richardscourtney
February 20, 2016 7:50 pm

Are you one of those guys that expects consensus?
To be honest, I too don’t like clock charts. That doesn’t take away from the fact that I loved the article.

richardscourtney
Reply to  richardscourtney
February 20, 2016 10:24 pm

Boulder Skeptic:
I did assess “the content of a post” from the anonymous internet popup posting as Michael D and I responded to it in THE SAME MANNER and using as similar language to it as possible.
From behind a screen of anonymity you have waved two ‘red herrings’ in attempt to support “Michael D”. As I said, I abhor anonymous internet popups as wasters of pixels on my computer screen.
Richard

Reply to  richardscourtney
February 21, 2016 8:13 am

Reading for comprehension…

…in attempt to support “Michael D”

Nice try. I don’t see any words where I was supporting Michael D’s comment about clocks. I simply made the point that the anonymity issue, about which you generalized, is more complex than you appear to realize and is in some cases justified. Not all of us are in such a comfortable position as you appear to be.
It appears that others were trying to help you gain some understanding of your overreaction to his comment as well, to no avail. I’m done.

richardscourtney
Reply to  richardscourtney
February 21, 2016 9:48 am

Boulder Skeptic:
Your excuses for posting ‘red herrings’ in support of an anonymous troll end with you writing something true; viz. you write “I’m done”.
Richard

MarkW
Reply to  richardscourtney
February 22, 2016 2:32 pm

Boulder Skeptic: Richard has a history of getting bent out of shape whenever he finds out that people are still allowed to have opinions he disagrees with.

Reply to  Michael D
February 20, 2016 4:02 pm

Yes Michael, I find them too revealing. I like an obfuscatory upside down trend chart in femto joules per pentad warming on the right hand side.

Chip Javert
Reply to  Michael D
February 20, 2016 5:52 pm

michael d
What am I missing here? A guy makes a single post on a long thread and it looks like a respectful & civil comment about personal preference for data presentation and gets kicked like a rabid dog.
Not good.

mebbe
Reply to  Chip Javert
February 20, 2016 7:08 pm

I’m with you, Chip.
Michael’s “not a big fan” and Richard starts abhorring him. There is the possibility of further escalation of extravagant expression since Richard takes swipes at not only the semi-anonymous Michael but at each of the other, many anonymous commenters, and, in addition, those that don’t share his taste in graphical representation.
Civility serves to shield individuals from the unpleasant reality that they are not as tough as they think they are.

richardscourtney
Reply to  Chip Javert
February 20, 2016 10:38 pm

Chip Javert and mebbe:
What are you doing, trolls of the world unite?
The completely anonymous Michael D made a ‘side swipe’ at the above essay, and I replied to that in the same manner and using as similar language to it as possible.
You are you claiming my reply “kicked {Michael D} like a rabid dog”. Well, if so then the anonymous Michael D certainly deserved more than my mild reply because my mild reply was to his/her/their/its having “kicked {Viscount Monckton} like a rabid dog.
Richard

MarkW
Reply to  Chip Javert
February 22, 2016 2:33 pm

Anyone who doesn’t agree with Richard is a troll. Be careful, it won’t be long until he labels you a neo-national socialist.

richardscourtney
Reply to  Chip Javert
February 22, 2016 11:32 pm

MarkW:
Your loathsome fascist beliefs are your problem. Stop trying to smear me because of them.
Richard

Michael 2
Reply to  Michael D
February 20, 2016 8:42 pm

I like the speedometer graphs. It is an excellent “moment in time” presentation where the other graphs portray movement in time.

Reply to  Michael D
February 21, 2016 9:11 pm

It would be most helpful if Michael D and Mike O were to say what sort of graph would more clearly show the discrepancy between prediction and reality than a clock-graph.

February 20, 2016 11:44 am

That end link is not working.

bjc70
Reply to  ST Triane
February 20, 2016 5:42 pm

And it’s still not working 403

Kev-in-Uk
February 20, 2016 11:44 am

It seems like ages since I’ve heard anything of this psuedo scientist – maybe he just wanted to be talked about yet again?

seaice1
Reply to  Kev-in-Uk
February 21, 2016 3:02 am

I would be careful referring to Monckton in that way.

AndyG55
February 20, 2016 11:56 am

1. Yes, Dana has deliberately misaligned the graphs, stretching the scale etc to try to hide the discrepancy….intentionally misleading for the gullible.(you)
2. There is so much range in the climate models that they are a farce.. yet they STILL miss the side of the barn.
3. Only the much adjusted Ratpac balloon series (in the hands of rabid alarmists) doesn’t agree with the satellites. The ONLY surface data in the world that is UNTAMPERED, un UHI affected, and evenly spread matches the satellite data trends almost exactly. This confirms the satellite data extraction algorithms. Its called “validation” something which NO climate model or mal-adjusted surface data set has managed.
http://s19.postimg.org/8lgilst2r/USA_January.png
4. Peer review is for journal publication, nothing more.
5. The AGW hypothesis says that the atmosphere should warm faster than the surface… FAIL !!
6, Matching to their deliberately fabricated temperature data is meaningless, especially when the likes of Mann is in charge of the data and modelling.
They are LYING about the sea level rise, they show an acceleration in the tide gauges.. there is NONE. and look at the massive range they predict.. that isn’t science, its pure supposition .. and they still have to bend the data to just sneak inside it. What a FARCE !!!

Janice Moore
Reply to  AndyG55
February 20, 2016 1:23 pm

+1!!

Reply to  AndyG55
February 20, 2016 1:42 pm

“4. Peer review is for journal publication, nothing more.”
Some people are surprised to find that Albert Einstein only had one paper peer reviewed and it was a minor one later in his fabulous career. (or so I have been told — even I am not old enough to remember the early 1900s)

AndyG55
Reply to  markstoval
February 20, 2016 2:50 pm

All it is, is someone deciding if they think an article should be entered into the literature.
Choose the right someone at a journal…. and all sorts of crap can get through. (as AGW has amply proven)
….. and all sort of good science can be blocked.

seaice1
Reply to  markstoval
February 21, 2016 3:06 am

Peer review has come to take the place of editor review as the number of papers has grown way to high for editors to keep up alone.

Reply to  markstoval
February 21, 2016 3:55 am

“Peer review has come to take the place of editor review as the number of papers has grown way to high for editors to keep up alone.”
If peer review was only a way to “keep up” then the reviewers would be known publicly and so would their comments. The “team” admitted using “peer review” to stop their “enemies” and reward their “friends”.
“Peer review” is the great enemy of science and of the people. It is a way to enforce group think and obedience to the party line. It is even better than controlling who gets grants.

Barbara
Reply to  markstoval
February 21, 2016 2:15 pm

Had a professor who said government science funding would become science by committee.

Reply to  markstoval
February 22, 2016 12:59 am

One of my favourite journals, though I no longer subscribe, is the Journal of the American Statistical Association. Most papers are reviewed in the normal way, but they used to have a practice where a paper deemed particularly noteworthy would have “comments” by two or more separate (named) authors/groups, and a “rejoinder” at the end. As a reader, I found this extremely valuable. The comments were in effect mini-papers themselves and provided amazingly helpful context.
The problem with this is that it is extremely demanding of the reviewers’ time: they not only have to read and understand the original paper, they have to write several pages of publication-quality response giving extra background, appropriate criticism, and alternatives. This takes time, and the publication cycle is already slow, and as someone who has both reviewed papers and been on an editorial paper, I can tell you I was never paid a single cent.
Einstein published a number of papers in Annalen der Physik. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annalen_der_Physik says that “theoretician Max Planck (1907–1943, had been associate editor from 1895).
In [those] times, peer-review was not yet standard. Einstein, for example, just sent his manuscripts to Planck who then subsequently published them.” I think we can safely say that Planck read the papers first. “Peer review” exists in order to cope with a torrent of submissions not all good.

CaligulaJones
Reply to  markstoval
February 22, 2016 7:05 am

This website has become daily reading for me:
http://retractionwatch.wordpress.com/
Seriously, reading some of these cases makes me wonder why anyone still thinks that peer review should be on a pedestal these days.

Reply to  AndyG55
February 20, 2016 4:07 pm

AndyG55: it isn’t pure supposition. That would have some legitimacy. It is deliberate manipulation. That is fraudulent.

Reply to  AndyG55
February 20, 2016 7:57 pm

AndyG55, looks like a good validation to me. Would be interesting to see how the various surface data approaches compare against USCRN.

AndyG55
Reply to  oz4caster
February 20, 2016 9:02 pm

USCHN and ClimDiv are almost an exact match to USCRN…….
TOO exact to be real…
TOO exact to be anything but data-matched manipulation.

AndyG55
Reply to  oz4caster
February 20, 2016 9:05 pm

See how the graph above has lots of discrepancies….
This is what you expect from different data sets.
What you see in the link below is tantamount to fr**d.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/national-temperature-index/time-series?datasets%5B%5D=uscrn&datasets%5B%5D=climdiv&datasets%5B%5D=cmbushcn&parameter=anom-tavg&time_scale=p12&begyear=2005&endyear=2015&month=12

Taphonomic
February 20, 2016 12:09 pm

Christy’s work basically replicates the findings of Meehl et al. 2014 that the climate models are good for nothing (even with hindcasting, more than 97% of the projections in 2015 do not match the data since 2000)
https://e-nautia.com/clubargon/disk/Partage/Hiatus/Nature%20Climate%20change%20sept%202014.pdf
It’s funny that we don’t see Dana excoriating Meehl.

February 20, 2016 12:34 pm

I agree that The Guardian should be required to explain the innacuracies in the piece, but any request should not be in a snide supercilious tone. Any communication should be made in a polite scientific way. No need to decend to their level.
But the way their circulation figures are going, how long are they going to be around anyway?

Chip Javert
Reply to  Oldseadog
February 20, 2016 6:11 pm

Oldseadog
Attached link shows UK newspaper (inc Guardian) circulation since about 1955. The Guardian circulation appears to always have been relatively low (bottom of the bird cage?).
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/UK_daily_newspaper_circulation_1950_present.svg
While circulation appears to have never exceeded 500k (and is indeed declining), current on-line readers is estimated at over 40M.

Reply to  Chip Javert
February 21, 2016 2:52 am

A strange but predictable phenomenon and I guess they are going the way of the Independent with a switchover to online. They have a prominent online presence much like the Mail and the Telegraph do but what is funny is that by allowing comments almost every piece of bovid ordure they put out gets shredded in the comments. What to do? Stop allowing comments in which case people will not even bother to click on what has at that point become a very obvious propaganda blog or continue with comments enabled and be made an embarrassing laughing stock out of? There is one other mode they could of course adopt and that would be to report the news in a fair and unbiased way. Nah – just kidding.

emsnews
Reply to  Chip Javert
February 21, 2016 5:17 am

Yes, a few British papers allow comments these days. Virtually none in the US do this online. Or if they do it like the NYT, it is very rare and only for ‘social’ type stories, not science.

Reply to  Chip Javert
February 21, 2016 6:39 pm

“Yes, a few British papers allow comments these days. Virtually none in the US do this online. Or if they do it like the NYT, it is very rare and only for ‘social’ type stories, not science.”
That has not been my experience.

February 20, 2016 12:34 pm

It looks like you will have to file an offical compliant with authorities. I’d also include references to the other more erroneous articles, to show the evident trend of misinformation and disregard for the truth.

Reply to  EcoGuy
February 20, 2016 1:29 pm

Something for our fearless Lord Monckton to take up perhaps?

February 20, 2016 12:35 pm

…the case should be referred to the newspaper editors’ watchdog body by way of a formal complaint, whereupon The Guardian will be compelled to correct its inaccuracies.

The UK has a regulator for journalism. But it does not apply to the Guardian.
This is because the Guardian is not interested in the truth or accuracy of it’s reporting. As such it has refused to be regulated.
This is acceptable because the Guardian has chosen to cease to be a newspaper
It is now, at best, a source of comedy.

CodeTech
Reply to  M Courtney
February 20, 2016 9:46 pm

They need a disclaimer: “The contents of this paper are for entertainment purposes only”
Sadly, I can think of a dozen papers that warning would apply to, and more than one TV news network.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  M Courtney
February 20, 2016 10:01 pm

“A source of comedy…” Yes, my budgie laughed so hard, he lost his load on the Grauniad today.

commieBob
February 20, 2016 12:39 pm

2. “No uncertainty ranges are shown whatsoever”. When they are taken into account, “the observations are consistent with the range of model projections”.

Translation: Because our lowest projection is within shooting distance of the observations, you have to believe that our highest projections are realistic.
I’m pretty sure there is a formal logic error here but I have no clue what it would be.

Chris Hanley
Reply to  commieBob
February 20, 2016 9:13 pm

It’s a fortiori reasoning turned upside down — like Mann’s proxy Tiljander data.

February 20, 2016 12:48 pm

We don’t live on mount Everest, but neither does TLT. It is weighted to the surface.comment image
The weighting function can be graphically averaged to a median elevation of about 11,300 feet. Most people don’t live there either. Personally spent a lot of time above that climbing.
Carbonists seem to be having a hard time understanding that the surface thermometers can warm from energy that is taken from a higher elevation. The primary CO2 bands have been saturated since before the industrial revolution, probably even the last glacial maximum. Adding CO2 lowers the altitude of extinction and brings the energy closer to the surface.
Warming our thermometers cannot be defined as warming when “the planet” the energy is merely stolen from above.

jimmi_the_dalek
Reply to  gymnosperm
February 20, 2016 5:26 pm

Which weighting function is that? It does not look like either RSS nor UAH5 nor UAH6. The fact that these three products cannot agree on the definition of TLT is curious.

Reply to  jimmi_the_dalek
February 20, 2016 8:23 pm

That particular weighting function is UAH. Don’t remember which version. Got if from Roy Spencer’s website maybe a year ago?
There is no “one true” weighting function. They are measuring temperatures from near the surface to the lower stratosphere. The weighting is just a call. RSS has always been different, and even has different partitioning between levels. RSS has a TTT (total troposphere), UAH does not…

jimmi_the_dalek
Reply to  jimmi_the_dalek
February 20, 2016 9:51 pm

No it is not UAH. That looks like this,
http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/MSU2-vs-LT23-vs-LT.gif
However your comment that there is “no one true weighting function” is correct and is in my opinion the primary problem with satellite based temperature measurements – there is no “one true” temperature – it is all models

Reply to  gymnosperm
February 21, 2016 3:53 pm

We don’t live on mount Everest, but neither does TLT. It is weighted to the surface.

But the chart in question is showing TMT.

Reply to  Bellman
February 21, 2016 6:56 pm

The chart in question shows TLS, TMT, and TMT, assuming the chart in question is the one I posted. The graphic evaluation that derives a median weighting of 3.44 km is TLT (in red)comment image

Reply to  Bellman
February 22, 2016 3:30 am

gymnosperm, sorry, by the chart in question I meant the one produced by Dr. John Christy in the main article, not the one showing the relative weighting function.

J Martin
February 20, 2016 12:52 pm

Unfortunately it’ll take another ten years before the Guardian goes bust, so we might have to put up with that annoying scooter rider for a while yet.

Chip Javert
Reply to  J Martin
February 20, 2016 6:18 pm

J Martin
Given current Guardian circulation of <200k (and declining) and their 40M on-line readers, it pretty much comes down to how much they earn for on-line advertising…

Another Scott
February 20, 2016 12:53 pm

Better just to ignore Nuccitelli. His type thrives on attention. Using logic to point out the flaws in his reasoning won’t change a thing about him.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Another Scott
February 20, 2016 1:20 pm

Yes, indeed, Scott (another one! 🙂 ).
However…
It is not D.N. for whom this post (and each of the many excellent comments – WAY TO GO, WUWT SCIENCE GIANTS!) was written.
*************************************
D.N. (on behalf of Big Wind, et. al.) sits at his microphone, shrieking year after year: “Sacrifices!! Herren, er, People! You must make sacrifices or our race will die!!!”
Christopher Monckton and the Science Realists (on behalf of Truth) go on the air to broadcast: “Keep calm and carry on. Pay no attention to that man. He is telling you l1es.”

Tom T
Reply to  Another Scott
February 20, 2016 6:23 pm

Correct someone like Danna wants attention. The only attention he can’t stand is mocking. It’s best to mock and humiliate him.

Rik Myslewski
Reply to  Another Scott
February 20, 2016 9:32 pm

“Better just to ignore Nuccitelli. His type thrives on attention.” Sorry, m’man but you’ve just spewed m’tea up m’nose — meaning, y’think that ol’ “ain’t I smart!” Mockton is any different?

Reply to  Another Scott
February 21, 2016 6:54 pm

No one knows what Nuccitelli wants except him. I for one don’t give a rat’s rear end about what he wants, or what you think is “better” or best either.
The flaw in YOUR logic is assuming that using logic to point out the flaws in his reasoning should only be done if it changes “a thing about him”.

William Astley
February 20, 2016 12:58 pm

Excellence summary. Succinct observational, analysis based criticism of AGW and defense of Christy’s assertions. The warmists can keep their gig going as long as there is no significant cooling.
The corollary to the analysis/observational facts (no tropical tropospheric hot spot, 18 years without warming when atmospheric CO2 is rising throughout the period) is that observation and analysis supports the assure that the majority warming in the last 150 years was not caused by the increase in atmospheric CO2.
The following (the latitudinal warming paradox) is further observational proof that the warming in the last 150 years was not due to the increase in atmospheric CO2.
As atmospheric CO2 is more or less evenly distributed in the atmosphere, the potential for the CO2 mechanism should be the same for all latitudes. As the greatest amount of long wave radiation is emitted in the tropics, the most amount of CO2 warming should have occurred in the tropics not high latitude regions, ignoring the fact that the absorption spectrum of water vapor and CO2 overlap which reduces the CO2 forcing by a factor 4 with most of the reduction occurring in the tropical regions.
http://www.eoearth.org/files/115701_115800/115741/620px-Radiation_balance.jpg
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/ipcc-ar5draft-fig-1-4.gif
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0809/0809.0581.pdf

Limits on CO2 Climate Forcing from Recent Temperature Data of Earth
The global atmospheric temperature anomalies of Earth reached a maximum in 1998 which has not been exceeded during the subsequent 10 years (William: 18 years and counting). The global anomalies are calculated from the average of climate effects occurring in the tropical and the extratropical latitude bands. El Niño/La Niña effects in the tropical band are shown to explain the 1998 maximum while variations in the background of the global anomalies largely come from climate effects in the northern extratropics. These effects do not have the signature associated with CO2 climate forcing. (William: This observation indicates something is fundamental incorrect with the IPCC models, likely negative feedback in the tropics due to increased or decreased planetary cloud cover to resist forcing). However, the data show a small underlying positive trend that is consistent with CO2 climate forcing with no-feedback. (William: This indicates a significant portion of the 20th century warming has due to something rather than CO2 forcing.)
….The effects in the northern extratropics are not consistent with CO2 forcing alone.
An underlying temperature trend of 0.062±0.010ºK/ decade was estimated from data in the tropical latitude band. Corrections to this trend value from solar and aerosols climate forcings are estimated to be a fraction of this value. The trend expected from CO2climate forcing is 0.070g ºC/decade, where g is the gain due to any feedback. If the underlying trend is due to CO2 then g ~1. Models giving values of greater than 1 would need a negative climate forcing to partially cancel that from CO2. This negative forcing cannot be from aerosols.
These conclusions are contrary to the IPCC [2007] statement: “[M]ost of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations.”

Comment:
The 1 dimensional no feedback calculations for the expected warming for a doubling of atmospheric CO2 were done with a dry atmosphere and ignored the increased convection caused by the CO2 increase. Redoing the 1 dimensional calculations with using a conservative estimate of water vapor in the atmosphere and reducing the lapse rate due to increased convection reduces the surface warming for doubling of atmospheric CO2, no feedbacks by roughly a factor of 16 from 1.2C to 0.075C.
As the CO2 forcing in logarithmic half of the warming 0.075/2 or 0.037C can be attributed to the increase in atmospheric CO2. Therefore 95% of the 0.8C warming observed in the last 150 years is due to the solar cycle increase.
As there are cycles of warming and cooling in the paleo record that correlate to solar cycle changes, the logical suspect for the cause of the warming in the last 150 years should have been solar cycle changes.
Ocean sediment analysis indicates that regions of the North Atlantic were roughly 10C colder than current, 400 years ago in the coldest period of the Little Ice age. The fact that regions of the Atlantic ocean were anomalously colder than current requires an explanation and is further proof the cause of the warming in the last 150 years was not due to the increase in atmospheric CO2.
There is a great increase in dust from the Mongolian desert deposited on the Greenland ice sheet during the cyclic cold periods. The increase in dust is attributed to an increase in speed of the jet stream. There has very recently been an increased in the speed of the jet stream which the media is now reporting. An increase in wind speed over the oceans will caused increased evaporation cooling.
GCR is now the highest ever record for this period of the solar cycle. What is inhibiting the GCR cooling (all else being the same there will be more cloud cover when GCR is high) is solar wind bursts from coronal holes. The solar wind bursts create a space charge differential in the ionosphere which in turns cause there to be a current flow from high latitude regions to the equator. The movement of current causes cloud changes 40 to 60 degrees and at the equator.
This is what to expect next if the sun was the cause of the warming in the last 150 years and if the solar cycle has been interrupted.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

emsnews
Reply to  William Astley
February 21, 2016 5:22 am

About increased wind speed especially in the Atlantic regions: is it not surprising that the New World was discovered during this time period and sailing between Europe and the New World took off like a rocket? This is when my own family came over, during the Little Ice Age, to trade in beaver pelts.

Reply to  emsnews
February 21, 2016 7:29 pm

What I find surprising is that you seem to think that increased wind speed, “especially in the Atlantic” was some kind of requisite/determining factor in both the discovery of, the New World, and rapid increases in sailing from Europe to that New World.
If no New World had been discovered, there would have been nothing to “sail between”. And the jet stream flows FROM the US and TOWARD Europe, so increasing jet stream speeds don’t exactly work in favor of rapid sailing from Europe to the US.
I’m suggesting plunder and colonizing a new continent were far more relevant factors than wind speed.

MarkW
Reply to  emsnews
February 22, 2016 2:40 pm

Cutting a few days off the journey didn’t hurt.

February 20, 2016 1:14 pm

Nucitelli’s assertion about averaging satellites and sondes hiding large divergences is either gross ignorance or deliberate misrepresentation. The 3 satellite records (NOAA has STAR and it agrees generally with UAH and RSS) and the four sonde datasets can all be found together in slide 20 of the joint NOAA Karl/NASA Schmidt press conference Jan 20 announcing 2015 as hottest evah! Available at both the NCEI and GISS websites.
His complaint about lack of error bars around the climate model ensemble mean is statistical nonsense. You can compute an ensemble mean and graph the result as Christy did. But it is statistically meaningless since the runs do not all come from the same model population. Apples and oranges make fruit salad. Scooter Nuttercelli whining about lack of graphed statisical error uncertainty is equivalent to complaining about not dividing by zero.
Guardian’s editors allowing such wrong silliness says all anyone needs to know about why its readership is in such sharp decline.

February 20, 2016 1:26 pm

Small quibble: AFAIK for CMIP5 2005 was the final hindcast year, and 2006 the first projection year.
https://rclutz.wordpress.com/2015/03/24/temperatures-according-to-climate-models/

Reply to  Ron Clutz
February 20, 2016 2:46 pm

You are correct. There was a final version of the ‘experimental protocol’ published IIRC 2011. The first mandatory run to be submitted to CMIP5 was the 30 year minimum hindcast. Modelers had the initialization options of average Dec 2005 or Jan 1 2006. Same initialization for all subsequent ‘projections’.

February 20, 2016 1:32 pm

There are many reasons why the twit Dana Nuccitelli is wrong and the climate computer games “models” are wrong.
One reason the models are wrong is that they don’t model much other than CO2 very well. How can a model that does not do clouds or atmospheric moisture predict future climate? (just one example of many)
Mainly though, they have their entire speculation wrong (the CO2 delusion does not even rise up to “theory” level) Okulaer (Kristian) took a look at theory vs. observation a while back and it is a very informative short read. I recommend it:
“How AGW isn’t happening in the real Earth system …” https://okulaer.wordpress.com/2015/11/15/how-agw-isnt-happening-in-the-real-earth-system/

Janice Moore
Reply to  markstoval
February 20, 2016 1:37 pm
Reply to  Janice Moore
February 20, 2016 1:55 pm

Good to see you back Janice. I was busy teaching classes and missed that whole comment and replies. Thanks ever so much for the link. 🙂
I would only add that you matter to me here. You have (apparently) the time, knowledge, energy, and dedication to post much truth here. I always learn something from your posts (that I knew and forgot or that I never knew before)
Keep up the good work.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Janice Moore
February 20, 2016 2:11 pm

Mark — you just proved that you must be an excellent teacher. Thank you, so much. Your affirmation makes me want to do my very best!

Reply to  markstoval
February 21, 2016 6:07 am

I always find it irksome when people – and particularly realists – describe CAGW as a theory. It is not a theory and it is furthermore grossly misleading to raise what amounts to nothing more than an ill-posed hypothesis to that lofty status. It is an outré fringe hypothesis which in thirty years of intense effort and funding which makes the Manhattan project look like an obscure side issue has failed each and every test before it. Each and every hurdle it attempts to heave its flyblown carcass over it hooks a foot and falls flat on its face and yet, the undead thing lurches on down the track propped up on all sides by its faithful prophets of doom. More properly it is an insult to call such a farce a hypothesis even.

Reply to  markstoval
February 21, 2016 6:58 am

markstoval on February 20, 2016 at 1:32 pm
“There are many reasons why the twit Dana Nuccitelli is wrong and the climate computer games “models” are wrong.
One reason the models are wrong is that they don’t model much other than CO2 very well. How can a model that does not do clouds or atmospheric moisture predict future climate? (just one example of many)”

markstoval,
It is even reasonably arguable that the models wrongly represent CO2, given the sensitivities are grossly wrong.
John

February 20, 2016 1:35 pm

How is that big CO2 Hot Spot going over the Tropics, Nuccitelli? Also the CAGW hypothesis says that the atmosphere should warm faster than the surface. How is that working out, Nuccitelli?

Janice Moore
Reply to  ntesdorf
February 20, 2016 2:08 pm

Well, from the loud silence…. I think we can conclude that D.N. has nothing to say. So, in case Formerly Confused (from my comment) comes in:
SR: Here, FC, is a good place (or two) to find out just how the AGW “hot spot” is NOT working out — at all:

We will focus the discussion on the tropics as the hot spot is most pronounced there in the models. Core questions are of course whether we can detect/have detected a hot spot in the observations and if not what are the implications for the reliability of GCMs and our understanding of the climate?

{Note: to date, there has been no “hot spot” detected: Crispin in Waterloo nicely summarizes the state of the issue here: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/05/14/claim-climate-scientists-find-elusive-tropospheric-hot-spot-over-the-southern-ocean/#comment-1934829 }
Marcel Crok here: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/07/16/about-that-missing-hot-spot/
(good comment thread — e.g., Bob Tisdale talks about CO2-driven model failure vis a vis SST’s)

Svend Ferdinandsen
February 20, 2016 2:22 pm

Alignment?
You don’t need alignment. These climate models should be able to find the real temperature measured in Celcius. It is claimed they are based on real physics, so why is it so difficult to produce a real average temperature, or regional temperatures. It is not hard to figure out relative changes, when you make a lot of assumptions, but what is the real model baseline. The real world does not deal with anomalies, it works on real temperatures, especially near the freezing point of water.

Reply to  Svend Ferdinandsen
February 20, 2016 2:54 pm

SF, you are on target making a big point. In essay Models all the way Down I reproduced a peer reviewed papers chart showing actual modeled temperature hindcasts for both CMIP3 and CMIP5. That mess of discrepancies of +/- about 3-4 degrees C is completely hidden by converting each models actual to its own anomalies, then comparing only anomalies. A dirty warmunist trick to hide the truth about how bad the climate models actually are.

Reply to  ristvan
February 20, 2016 7:01 pm

say what???
Oh my. I thought I was paying very close attention and that’s the first I’ve heard this. I will delve into this point more and would very much appreciate pointers to references, but my already low opinion of climate models just got lower. And by the way I use models ALL THE TIME in my job and understand why validated models work and are useful and why junk models don’t. I’ve created physical models. I believe in models. But climate models are junk science.
Thanks for this comment, ristvan.

Keitho
Editor
Reply to  ristvan
February 21, 2016 12:22 am

That is a very good, and extremely important, point.

AndyG55
February 20, 2016 2:55 pm

One issue with the models is that even if they had the physics correct, they are hind-casting to a heavily altered temperature data set.
They will ALWAYS have a spurious warming trend built into them because of that.
The fact that they stuff up or leave out major bits of the physics, just makes them even worse.
The shear range of projections shows that they mostly have NO IDEA what they are doing,
and even then, they can’t hit the side of a barn !

Michael Carter
February 20, 2016 3:12 pm

“Furthermore, the temperature profile at different strata shows little or no warming at the surface and an increasing warming rate with depth, raising the possibility that, contrary to Mr Nuccitelli’s theory that the atmosphere is warming the ocean, the ocean is instead being warmed from below, perhaps by some increase in the largely unmonitored magmatic intrusions into the abyssal strata from the 3.5 million subsea volcanoes and vents most of which Man has never visited or studied, particularly at the mid-ocean tectonic divergence boundaries, notably the highly active boundary in the eastern equatorial Pacific”
Apparently the science is settled on this subject as well – even for some skeptics. Calculations have been made on heat output of various volcanoes and multiplications made using what we know about submarine volcanism. The impact is considered insignificant
There are number of potential heat sources and mediums, not just effusive basaltic styles found in MORs. The existence of floating pumice is evidence of explosive silicic eruptions of the type found at Yellowstone and the Taupo Volcanic Zone, New Zealand (both active). These are a very different animals. Also take into account hydrothermal systems
We need to know ‘how insignificant’. Would it not have made sense to do some chemical analysis on the Eastern Pacific Warm Blob? Cheap at the price
Accurate elimination is a powerful tool in science

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