I attended this session yesterday, and I cam away with the impression that these researchers are holding their noses while they are forging ahead on the issue.
From the press release:
Religion and Climate Change
Scripps Institution of Oceanography at UC San Diego climate and atmospheric scientist V. Ramanathan will discuss his perspective as a council member of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences on the transformational role religious leaders can play to bring awareness to the urgency of climate change to protect people and nature. Ramanathan will discuss his view on religion and climate change during the American Geophysical Union (AGU) Fall Meeting Union presentation “The Role of Religious and Scientific Leaders in Bringing Awareness to the Urgency of Climate Change,” Monday, Dec. 14, 2:40 p.m., Moscone South 102.
“As a council member of the Pontifical Academy and watching from within the powerful moral voice of Pope Francis, I believe a partnership with religion is a powerful new venue for researchers reticent about publicly voicing their grave concerns about climate change,” said Ramanathan.
Ramanathan, a member of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences since 2004, co-convened “Sustainable Humanity, Sustainable Nature, Our Responsibility,” a joint workshop of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences and the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences at the Vatican last year. The event was an unprecedented gathering of natural and social scientists, philosophers, and theologians.
On the final day of the historic workshop, Ramanathan met with Pope Francis and used the opportunity to draw the Pope’s attention to the fact that three billion of the world’s poorest people who do not use fossil fuels to meet their energy needs will nonetheless suffer the worst consequences of climate change.
“We will bring massive public support for urgent actions only when the impacts of climate change and its origins are taught in every church, every temple, every mosque, every synagogue, and other places of worship,” said Ramanathan.
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@ur momisugly YOU — any religious leaders hustling for AGW whose tenets include the book of Proverbs:
The Lord detests lying lips… . (Proverbs 12:22)
And if you try to claim, “But, we didn’t KNOW…,” when God asks you about this someday…
my guess is God’s response will be:
“But, you knew that you did — not — know, yet you spoke with confident authority. Your reckless disregard for the truth or falsity of what you said which hurt so many of my children was an abomination in my sight. Look, there, and see the millions, MILLIONS, of souls who lived in misery and abject poverty thanks — to — the l1es you told about human CO2.
You would now blame me? You would slander me to justify yourself? (Job 40:8)
I gave you a gift: free will.
And you chose to l1e.
………. and yet……… even now…….. turn, and I will forgive.”
What next in the AGW cult’s assault on the essence of science? Climate change prayer beads?
Lol, maybe… . They DO have in their AGW High Holy Bargains Galore Store: crummy holy lightbulbs; holy electric cars; holy bamboo underwear; holy laundry detergent that doesn’t work; and holy necklaces made out of recycled cardboard.
Tell me you didn’t actually buy any of these …errr, ummm …holy products ??
Are you kidding Marcus? With Snuggies and collapsible Star Wars cookware available if you order NOW…? 🙂
Have to buy the detergent (the fantasy science mongering envirostalinists made it illegal to sell it in the U.S. after ~2010). 🙁 The rest? NO WAY. Mainly, I am an anti-“green”/”sustainable” buyer — those terms or the like on a product label make me NOT buy it)
Aphan, why do want your cookware to collapse ?? Doesn’t that kinda mess up the oven…and what the heck are ” Snuggies “, Kleenex tissue ?
CAGW is a religion and is now proposing a merger with the Catholic Church of Rome. Papal indulgences will now be exchanged on par with Carbon Dioxide Credits.
I’m not a Roman Catholic, so I speak with slight hesitation, here, but it appears to me that the Pope has, if not explicitly declared, strongly hinted, that to emit excessive CO2 is a venal sin. Given the large number of R.C. members worldwide, AND MILLIONS OF THEM ARE IN VERY POOR COUNTRIES, this is a potentially significant bit of mal-theology.
No doubt the Pope will issue a Papal bull declaring CO2 a venal sin. Question is…will be park the plane and paddle across the pond, next time he wants to visit America?
Mods, you really should fix that error I told you about 6 hours ago, it makes Anthony look bad !!
RE:
” I attended this session yesterday, and I cam away with the impression that these researcher ”
Should be CAME not CAM ???
Lol, Marcus — good for you to keep trying to help out Anthony. Just writing to you here to remind you that it happens ALL the time (people try to help out with the grammar/style/spelling/typos) — and reponse is: _________________________. Didn’t want our wonderfully enthusiastic Marcus to feel like it might be a personal thing and wanted to affirm your caring enough to SAY SOMETHING!!! 🙂
(remember that “50 shades of red” post of mine to Gary Pearse on the bogus litigation thread? aaaaaaaaaaaa looks like I’ll have to write that again someday— he never read it!!! And I really want to thank him, for it meant so much)
All your effort and he didn’t even read it ….how cruel !! LOL
( well, at least it isn’t only me that gets ignored !! )
And thank you for thinking of me !!
Hey Janice, Gary Pearse is on the newest post, in case you want to yell at him !! tee hee hee….
LOL — thanks, Marcus! I’m not in the “chase him down” mood, now … another time
— “yell at him” — I LOVE IT! lol (kind of fun once in awhile,… er…. every other MINUTE!! )
#(:))
AWWW, come on , pweeeease !! LOL
Perhaps the researchers also came away asking each other to watch each other’s back for incoming religious acolytes who would try to evangelize their scientific work product.
John
I bet they fix it for you !!…GGGRRRrrrrrrrr……………….LOL
Marcus,
I could use a good fixer upper kinda faithful secretary for assisting in commenting here. Please make a referral of them to me, Appreciated. But tell them not to growl, it upsets my 1 year old granddaughter and 3 year old grandson.
John
When the pope is called upon – that´s when we know for sure that the science is weak!
Yes! That is the upside to this disgusting tactic. It reeks of the rank sweat of desperation.
I’d say that’s about it for “climate science”. Any of you folks out there who’re real scientists need to get out while the gettin’s good because it gets pretty ugly after this.
Try to imagine any scientist in the past actually asking the Pope to advance your hypothesis. Galileo is spinning in his grave.
It’s tremendously sad. We’re literally on the cusp of a new dark age.
There can be no truce between science and religion.
– John B. S. Haldane
The enemy of science is not religion. Religion comes in endless shapes and forms… The true enemy is the substitution of thought, reflection, and curiosity with dogma.
– Frans de Waal
“Science and religion are based on different aspects of human experience. In science, explanations must be based on evidence drawn from examining the natural world. Scientifically based observations or experiments that conflict with an explanation eventually must lead to modification or even abandonment of that explanation. Religious faith, in contrast, does not depend only on empirical evidence, is not necessarily modified in the face of conflicting evidence, and typically involves supernatural forces or entities. Because they are not a part of nature, supernatural entities cannot be investigated by science. In this sense, science and religion are separate and address aspects of human understanding in different ways. Attempts to pit science and religion against each other create controversy where none needs to exist.”
The National Academy of Sciences
http://www.nas.edu/evolution/Compatibility.html
Nicely put, but, what the heck are ” Snuggies ” ?
Aphan appears to have the “life” I do not so, Marcus, here’s your answer: go on line and Bing “Snuggies” — it appears to be a really DUMB LOOKING ITEM that only an intellectually impaired person would find appealing (and that’s fine — not trying to put those people down, just a fact about who might even possibly use one; they have their eccentric ideas…). I’ve seen TV ads for them and COULD NOT BELIEVE they were aimed at adults!!
http://www.mysnuggiestore.com/?gclid=CJep0paO38kCFUNffgodSYcKyQ
Janice wants the Bikini Bathing Suit one, third row, left side. We can all chip in on it together. *g*
No matter how much she pretends she does NOT want it….
Oh, MAN! Aphan — I hadn’t seen that before. Talk about being “impaired” — WHO IN THE WORLD??????
I am chuckling — thank you for that!
I am REALLY, REALLY sorry I asked !! Now my little brain has short circuited….Why oh why did I look …..
I think I’m turning ” 50 shades of Green ” !!! LOL
Ok, so it’s an ugly blanket with arms…and no I don’t want one thanks….
Religions can and do make empirical claims right and left. Want to eliminate Christianity? Produce the body of Jesus. Paul was pretty explicit about this. Ultimately, you either believe the primary witnesses were telling the truth or they were not.
My comment immidiately above was a response to the NAS statement. Intervening material was not under consideration.
We (well, most of us…. there is someone on this thread about whom I am seriously wondering…. ) read you, Juan Slayton. NOT about snugglies, heh.
And, right on. The empty tomb is the key. Eye witnesses — Roman soldiers up for the death penalty for letting it happen… . Book: Who Moved the Stone by Frank Morison (http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/who-moved-the-stone-frank-morison/1111630242?ean=9780310295617 ) summarizes the evidence nicely.
And…. look as hard as they might…. they’ll never find it for…. “Christ is risen!”
#(:))
Juan-
The statement says “Religious faith, in contrast, does not depend only on empirical evidence”, it does not say religious faith does not depend on empirical evidence at all.
Science is the religion of many believers of climate change. When a philosophy becomes so deeply rooted that it will not accept opposition to its position the position becomes a religious one, not a scientific one. True science invites skepticism (examination). Climate change is like a giant snow ball rolling down hill. It doesn’t matter if it can be proven wrong. Believers will cling to their faulty studies and to climate PC to make their points.
I have met some religious leaders. It is staggering how ignorant they are.
Ignorance is an equal opportunity affliction.
“The event was an unprecedented gathering of natural and social scientists, philosophers, and theologians.”
And socialists.
Joseph Stiglitz, a member of SocialistInternational.org and a former Clinton admin economic advisor was there as was Jeffery Sachs who can be found giving speeches at the Party of European Socialists.
“The Role of Religious and Scientific Leaders in Bringing Awareness to the Urgency of Climate Change,
The title of the presentation by Ramanathan is misleading. It should have been:
“How dogma of United Nations climate theory can be strengthened by religious and scientific leaders”
(Dogma – is a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.)
Exactly!