BREAKING News – Major Terrorist Atrocity in Paris, Just Weeks until COP21

See Update 6 – a poll has been added about whether the COP21 climate conference in Paris should continue as planned.

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Editorial cartoon by Josh

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

BREAKING NEWS – a major Terrorist attack is in progress in Paris, which will shortly host the COP21 Climate Conference. At least 140 40 people are reported to be dead, up to 100 hostages still unaccounted for.

According to Sky News Australia;

French police officials say at least 40 people have been killed in multiple attacks in Paris, including one near the Stade de France sports stadium and another at a concert venue.

French Media is reporting at least 60 people have been killed.

Fifteen of the victims have been killed at the Bataclan concert hall in eastern Paris, with reports saying a further 100 people have been taken hostage.

Others have been killed in explosions near the stadium just north of Paris, where a France-Germany football match was taking place, and in a restaurant shooting.

Read more: http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2015/11/14/casualties-in-paris-restaurant-shooting.html#sthash.CgFoL84x.dpuf

Lets us all hope that French authorities manage to stop this horrific terrorist attack, with minimal further loss of life.

UPDATE by Anthony: I wonder if President Obama will rethink his threat priorities now, this from the White House Twitter feed in April:

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Update 2: I will add, that this is a terrible terrible thing, and I think I speak for all WUWT readers that our hearts go out to the victims and their families in Paris. Let’s hope there is a swift end to this, and that the guilty will be brought to justice.

Update 3: France is under a state of emergency, and has closed its borders:

“French President Francois Hollande declared a state of emergency and in a televised address to the nation announced that he was closing the country’s borders ‘to make sure that those who have committed these crimes can be stopped.’ He also indicated that authorities knew who was responsible for the attacks.”

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/11/13/dozens-killed-in-paris-terror-attacks?int=9b9e08

Update4: Meanwhile, Al Gore’s 24 hour climate change webcast is hosted at the Eiffel Tower.

http://news.yahoo.com/al-gore-hosting-climate-telethon-paris-eiffel-tower-163634484.html

It appears the 24 hours of reality/act on climate video feed is off now, probably a sensible thing to do.  Screencap from https://www.climaterealityproject.org/24hoursofreality

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Update 5: questions about COP21 already being asked according to BBC Europe editor Katya Adler:

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Update 5: Watch France 24 Live in English 

Update 6: Poll added, since this is being discussed in media worldwide now.

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David Thomson
November 13, 2015 6:53 pm

How much carbon dioxide and other pollutants will be released into the atmosphere with the release of bombs against ISIS? Did the President think about that when he declared Climate Change to be the most pressing threat to Earth?

ferdberple
Reply to  David Thomson
November 14, 2015 7:58 am

The EPA has decreed that all bombs must be carbon neutral, non-toxic and composed of only organic, recycled material. The military has announced a research program to build the “next generation” weapons from flour, water and recycled newspaper.
In promoting his policy of Shame and Blame, President Obama announced that in future, all enemy combatants will be fitted with paper-mache dunce caps and forced to take a time-out in the corner until they learn to behave.

MarkW
Reply to  David Thomson
November 14, 2015 8:25 am

Flour dust makes a pretty good explosive.

BFL
Reply to  MarkW
November 14, 2015 9:11 am

Military copy; fuel air explosive:
http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/dumb/fae.htm

pat
November 13, 2015 6:58 pm

reminder:
6 Nov: Associated Press: France to reinstate border controls for UN climate meeting
Authorities are on alert for violent protesters as well as potential terror attacks.
(Interior Minister) Bernard Cazeneuve said on BFM television Friday that the controls will be in place for a month as part of larger security measures around the Nov. 30-Dec. 11 conference. He did not elaborate on how tightly the borders would be controlled or how the border checks would be carried out…
***Activist groups say they were informed that the French controls would begin Nov. 13…
A major protest march is planned through Paris Nov. 29, in addition to several other smaller-scale actions.
France faces routine protests that are largely peaceful but sometimes degenerate into violence by an extremist fringe. The country saw particularly violent protests during a NATO summit in Strasbourg in 2009.
http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/cae69a7523db45408eeb2b3a98c0c9c5/Article_2015-11-06-EU-France-Climate-Conference/id-f6867ba09b914bb680e8b6c9f5e3402d

polski
November 13, 2015 7:04 pm

Have been saying to my friends for a year now. I feel sorry for the next generation, the peace as they expect will not be there. Current policies will make the world far less safe with more terrorist actions common. Leaving for Paris next weekend on the way to Spain, wonder what is in store?

Janice Moore
Reply to  polski
November 13, 2015 8:06 pm

Dear Polski,
Go acting according to the fact that your personal safety is ENTIRELY up to you (if you own a handgun, carry it, if you think you can get away with its not being confiscated). Carry food and water and basic first aid. Avoid large crowds. Assume anyone “dangerous looking” is. In short: travel as you would through a war zone — because that is exactly what Paris is.
Take care and be safe!
(and let us know if you make it to Espana okay — okay?)
Janice

mebbe
Reply to  Janice Moore
November 13, 2015 10:06 pm

C’mon, Janice!
Arriving at Orly with a pistol in your pocket does not end with confiscation of said weapon.
Your grasp on reality is tenuous.
Please, do not go to Paris right now.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Janice Moore
November 14, 2015 10:04 am

Well, mebbe… I thought my qualifier: “if you think you can get away with its not being confiscated” was enough to put my remarks in the sane column.
Thanks for the insult — good for my character, no doubt.

November 13, 2015 7:09 pm

These attacks seem conveniently timed so the world’s leading crooks can make a big showing at the climate conference and condemn terrorism at the same time.

Reply to  Mark
November 13, 2015 7:34 pm

Yes, the deadliest mass murder in French history was very conveniently timed.
Are you for real?

Janice Moore
Reply to  Menicholas
November 13, 2015 8:15 pm

Mass murder in 6 locations in one city on the same day was planned; a fortiori, it was timed.
At this time, the world’s attention, though misguided, is on Paris due to that “greatest” of all threats, “climate change”.
Mass murderers feed off attention.
I think Mark is being logical and realistic.

ferdberple
Reply to  Menicholas
November 14, 2015 8:04 am

very conveniently timed.
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this timing was not coincidental. it is naive to assume it was. the bigger question is: who benefits?

MarkW
Reply to  Menicholas
November 14, 2015 8:30 am

Are you arguing that these attacks were spur of the moment? If not, then they were timed.
Jihadists often pick the date of their attack based on historical events.

Reply to  Menicholas
November 14, 2015 9:32 am

I responded to this comment:
“These attacks seem conveniently timed so the world’s leading crooks can make a big showing at the climate conference and condemn terrorism at the same time.”
The obvious implication is that Mark is implying that “the world’s leading crooks” hand a hand in planning the attack to precede the climate conference, so it can be used by them (These leaders) to score extra points by condemning terrorism.
Who pretends to know, at this stage, what the particular motivation was? Of course we all know the general motivation.
Who pretends to know why last night was chosen? Was this the original timing of the plan?
Obviously it was planned, and it may be it was planned for a Friday night because that is when the most people are out and about, or maybe it was random. Maybe that it was Friday the 13th was significant…maybe not.
Did I say it was not planned?
Janice, no offense, but I wonder if you thought very hard or looked closely at what Mark said before proclaiming his ridiculous comment to be a product of a “logical and realistic” person?
Ferdberple: Naive to assume what? Which coincidence?
That the proximity of the COP 21 meeting was the reason for choosing a Friday night a few weeks before the conference? What are you even saying?
I will repeat what was saying…that Mark made a paranoid statement that implies that COP21 leaders had a hand in planning this. Are you guys also 911 Truthers?
MarkW; I am arguing that the attacks are convenient for no one…not for the dead people, not for the COP21 conference, which I think will almost surely have to be cancelled or at least disrupted, not for terrorism apologists, not for Democrats, and not for much of anyone that I can think of.
So, now Planned means timed? Timed means not spur of the moment (only an idiot would think such a coordinated attack was anything but carefully planned)? What historical event? Mark was saying that this was very convenient for the leaders at the COP21, as it gives them a soapbox to denounce terrorism while they rail against modern society.
IMO, none of you is making a bit of sense on this, although i usually appreciate and agree with many other comments you make.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Mark
November 13, 2015 11:13 pm

Seem? Uh, not much.

Catcracking
November 13, 2015 7:18 pm

We must offer our condolences to those who have lost loved ones.
Meanwhile the Administration is doing every thin possible to bring more Syrians to the US.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/syria-refugees-u-s-centres-1.3308576
“The Obama administration is moving to increase and accelerate the number of Syrian refugees who might be admitted into the United States by opening new screening outposts in Iraq and Lebanon, administration officials told Reuters on Friday.
The move comes after President Barack Obama pledged in September to admit an additional 10,000 Syrian refugees in 2016, torn by four years of civil war and disorder.
Manitoba social agencies gear up for Syrian refugee arrival\
Justin Trudeau’s promise to take 25,000 Syrian refugees this fall ‘problematic’
The U.S. State Department confirmed the plans to open a refugee settlement processing centre in Erbil, Iraq, before the end of 2015, and to resume refugee processing in Lebanon in early 2016, said spokeswoman Danna Van Brandt.
The White House would not say how many additional refugees it may take in beyond the 10,000, but two senior administration officials said they are seeking ways to increase the number”?”
Is it time to rethink the po licy?

Reply to  Catcracking
November 13, 2015 7:35 pm

This was before today.
Today is 9/11/2001 in Europe.

Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  Catcracking
November 13, 2015 7:39 pm

My memo to Merkel goes double for Obama:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/11/13/breaking-news-major-terrorist-atrocity-in-paris-just-weeks-until-cop21/#comment-2071578
But he has no interest in bringing more Christians into America, only Muslims, preferable Arab.

MarkW
Reply to  Catcracking
November 14, 2015 8:32 am

Didn’t I read recently that the administration had decided not to grant Syrian Christians refugee status?

hunter
November 13, 2015 7:25 pm

One of the faux science social madnesses of the 20th century, Eugenics, was derailed by WWI.
The other, Marxism, sadly was not.
Today we have so-called “cliamte change”, our 21st century faux science madness, being derailed by the reality of terrorists acting out their perverted religious beliefs.
Will this be enough to wake our leaders out of their hypnagogic stumbling towards more wasted efforts on the so-called “climate change” obsession?

rogerknights
Reply to  hunter
November 15, 2015 3:20 pm

I think you meant, “by WWII.”

TA
November 13, 2015 7:25 pm

The attacks in Paris are a part of the Obama legacy. Obama chose to bugout of Iraq and let the Islamic Terror Army run wild, and this is one of the things you get, along with hundreds of thousands of muslim refugees who are quickly turning Europe into a caliphate.
The president of France is now talking about taking strong military action. It’s about time someone started trying to clean up Obama’s mess. Obama won’t lead, maybe France will.
TA

goldminor
Reply to  TA
November 13, 2015 7:45 pm

Plus the Libyan affair went very poorly. Luckily for Egypt the army took care of Morsi, or who knows what that would have led to if he had been able to hold onto power. Overall, I can not imagine that there could be a president worse than our current one for the change without hope that he has helped foment in the world.

NZ Willy
Reply to  goldminor
November 13, 2015 9:01 pm

Worst President by miles, Carter is totally eclipsed.

MarkW
Reply to  goldminor
November 14, 2015 8:33 am

Obama is Carter’s favorite president.

goldminor
Reply to  MarkW
November 14, 2015 8:33 pm

So Obama wanted to outdo Carter. Very interesting, and he has been successful in his efforts. His legacy is now complete.

TA
Reply to  goldminor
November 14, 2015 1:34 pm

Barack Obama is the greatest enabler of Radical Islam in the history of the world. Noone else even comes close. He is in a league of his own. His actions and inactions have allowed the Islamic Terror Army to grow from a minor problem to a major world threat, and he has now made a deal with the Mad Mullahs of Iran to give them $150 billion extra dollars with which to increase their funding of worldwide terrorism. Not to mention giving the Mad Mullahs nuclear weapons. They must still be marveling at their good fortune.
Obama has done major damage to world secuity, and he still has 14 months left in Office. And we can’t look to him to fix the problems he created. He and John Kerry act like they are innocent bystanders when they describe the horrors taking place in the Middle East, and now in Paris.
TA

TomRude
Reply to  TA
November 13, 2015 9:30 pm

The president of France is now talking about taking strong military action. It’s about time someone started trying to clean up Obama’s mess. Obama won’t lead, maybe France will.
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If so, it would look like the false flag may work after all. Putting NATO troops on the ground would hamper the efficient Russian/Iranian campaign, preserve certain sensitive assets from destruction and de facto create a toxic climate for Assad while surrounding Latakia with NATO military hardware. I wonder who would benefit from this turn about? Could it be…

Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  TomRude
November 13, 2015 9:36 pm

Well, as noted, the 10th arrondissement is called “Little Turkey”…

goldminor
Reply to  TomRude
November 13, 2015 11:49 pm

President Hollande is forced to issue strong statements and response, or he will be soon looking for another line of work. I also found my thoughts turning to who would benefit from this situation, as this could certainly be a much more devious plot than meets the eye.

Reply to  TA
November 14, 2015 9:49 am

Note the hastily called Syrian summit which Kerry organized real quick, and now suddenly their are calls for peace in Syria by at least two of the factions, and a timetable for elections given…within 18 months.
laughable…spin control on steroids is how I see this “summit”.
A lot of people are seeing that this is a very bad day for Democrats, for John Kerry and the entire Obama wrecking crew, and for a whole lot of other people, as nothing changes attitudes and influences elections faster and more surely than an overt act of war.
This was not Charlie Hebdo being attacked. Many liberals are sick of free speech as it is, as evidenced by the entire PC movement and recent specific statements that have gotten a lot of press. Charlie Hebdo could be seen as “asking for it”.
But none of the people having coffee on a Friday night, or at a soccer match, or a concert, or out for drinks with friends, can be seen as having asked for anything.
This is a big in your face act of war by radical Islamic fundamentalists, and no one can deny it or put any lipstick on it.
Just like 9/11, this changes everything.
And I strongly suspect this may be just the beginning. If the incident at the Bavarian border on November 5th turns out to have been related to this attack, that will tie the recent “refugees” to Paris, and the implications that the foxes are now in the henhouse will be clear to all.

hunter
November 13, 2015 7:28 pm

One of the faux science social madnesses of the 20th century, Eugenics, was derailed by WWI.
The other, Marxism, sadly was not.
Today we have so-called “climate change”, our 21st century faux science madness, being derailed by the reality of terrorists acting out their perverted religious beliefs.
Will this be enough to wake our leaders out of their hypnagogic stumbling towards more wasted efforts on the so-called “climate change” obsession?

601nan
November 13, 2015 7:29 pm

COP21 party (and Al Gore) looks to be game-over.
Not just about the “safety” of the 40,000 “delegates” but the lives of the 74,000 child prostitutes to service the French President, his government, the US President and his government and the UN and its crony NGOs and HMOs.

Tucci78
Reply to  601nan
November 13, 2015 8:14 pm

With great sensitivity and perspicacity, 601nan remarks:

Not just about the “safety” of the 40,000 “delegates” but the lives of the 74,000 child prostitutes to service the French President, his government, the US President and his government and the UN and its crony NGOs and HMOs.

Hm. I hadn’t given any thought to that at all.
And youth unemployment rates are already so high throughout the countries of the developed world….

They asked each other countless riddles, such as who played the Cisco Kid and what was Krypton. In the end Dildo won the game. Stumped at last for a riddle to ask, he cried out, as his hand fell on his snub-nosed .38, “What have I got in my pocket?” This Goddam failed to answer, and growing impatient, he paddled up to Dildo, whining, “Let me see, let me see.” Dildo obliged by pulling out the pistol and emptying it in Goddam’s direction. The dark spoiled his aim, and he managed only to deflate the rubber float, leaving Goddam to flounder. Goddam, who couldn’t swim, reached out his hand to Dildo and begged him to pull him out, and as he did, Dildo noticed an interesting-looking ring on his finger and pulled it off. He would have finished Goddam off then and there, but pity stayed his hand.
“It’s a pity I’ve run out of bullets,” he thought….

— Henry Beard & Doug Kenney, Bored of the Rings (1969)

goldminor
November 13, 2015 7:41 pm

On another note, there was a serious tour bus crash in San Francisco today, which occurred at 3:00 pm PST today. I wonder if there is some connection to the attack in France, which took place at the same moment?

goldminor
Reply to  goldminor
November 13, 2015 11:44 pm

Further thought on the SF accident. How does the tour bus lose it’s brakes, and accelerate at the same time? Why doesn’t the driver shift to neutral, cut the motor, or apply the emergency brake? Supposedly the bus starts out of control in the 500 block on Post St, which is one way to the east. This tour bus then crashes at the end of the 400 block of Post St, or around 150 yards from where it goes out of control according to eyewitnesses. The entire stretch of Post is always very busy with traffic and pedestrians, and a tour bus is generally cruising slower than normal traffic as they point out the sites to see. Witnesses state that the bus was going very fast at this point, although the slope is not very steep on the street. The driver certainly has a lot of explaining to do regarding his inability to handle the vehicle. It is amazing that no one was killed outright, although there are 6 critically injured people.

November 13, 2015 7:50 pm

No time to read all the comments. I voted to cancel the ‘Climate’ show. Then, I would have voted for that anyway.
Why Paris? Because they can. It will get worse. A large number of those Syrian ‘refugees’ are young men. We’re not far behind.
/Mr Lynn

NZ Willy
Reply to  L. E. Joiner
November 13, 2015 9:04 pm

It is a poor poll because it doesn’t include the option: “COP21 is irrelevant to the events in Paris today”.

Krudd Gillard of the Commondebt of Australia
November 13, 2015 7:55 pm

Couldn’t see this COP21 thingy going ahead for two reasons.
It would divert too many police and other resources at a time when all good people are needed elsewhere.
All of the attendees at the COP21 are otherwise useful idiots (or worse) for the terrorists’ cause. It would be an insult to the dead and injured for them to have a public platform at this time.

Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  Krudd Gillard of the Commondebt of Australia
November 13, 2015 8:05 pm

Let them go to Cairo.

November 13, 2015 7:57 pm

I’d like to know who’s dancing over this, and where.

Rick K
November 13, 2015 8:05 pm

If COP21 really is to save the planet… our “last chance”… the delegates have no choice, do they?
They must go. It’s… for the planet, after all…

George Devries Klein, PhD, PG, FGSA
November 13, 2015 8:10 pm

A few comments:
1). Yes – COP21 should be cancelled. The French will not be able to guarantee the safety of 40,000 delegates and at least 79 (?) heads of state.
2). The horrific attack may mean the end of the European Union. With France and Belgium closing its borders, and other countries closing borders to migrants from the Middle East, the Schengen open border agreement is, for practical purposes, dead.
3). US response to Paris attacks seems weak.
That’s it for openers.

TomRude
Reply to  George Devries Klein, PhD, PG, FGSA
November 13, 2015 9:19 pm

“Nothing to share at this time,” the CIA press officer said on Friday night.
At the Je Suis Charlie march, although in Paris, Eric Holder did not bother…

RD
November 13, 2015 8:14 pm

But ISIL is the JV squad, according to Obama…

John F. Hultquist
November 13, 2015 8:32 pm

The meetings should be held. The location is a private-jet airport and France will be safer over the next 6 weeks than it would have been without the terror. The costs are already in place, and so on. The terrorists are not concerned with global warming nor worried about getting their share of the “climate reparations.”
Consider the Benghazi attack — a well planned terrorist operation and not a “spontaneous” response to an anti-Mohammed YouTube video. If the climate party in Paris was of interest to terrorists, why would they strike multiple targets just 2 weeks before the big fête?

Tucci78
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
November 13, 2015 9:08 pm

Mr. Hultquist asks:

If the climate party in Paris was of interest to terrorists, why would they strike multiple targets just 2 weeks before the big fête?

Reasonable. It would certainly be poor operational art, not to mention an expenditure of assets which would have been better retained to go after the much higher-value targets aggregating in Paris during the period 30 November through 11 December.
Though (as more than one reader commenting here appears to have remarked), the presence of so many chiefs of state would bring into Paris and its environs far greater numbers of security personnel than are normally maintained in that capital city, and would invoke surveillance technology far more pervasive and effective than what had prevailed in the run-up to this latest episode of jihadi bingo.
The caliphate command structure may have decided that the assets they’d brought into this theater of operations were either extremely close to being prematurely detected – meaning that this spasm of slaughter was precipitated on the basis of a “use-it-or-lose-it” perception – or the leaders had gained some insight into how the high-value targets attending COP21 would be hard targets, too difficult to seize or kill with whatever men and materials the sons of Allah had been able to get into the forward area.
Anyone care to speculate on what they’re saying about the implications of this assault over in Carlisle Barracks?

It is inaccurate to say I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office.

— H.L. Mencken

Editor
November 13, 2015 8:38 pm

I do not think it is appropriate to put COP21 and islamist terrorism on the “same page”, so I am not happy that this article has appeared here. I do think it is reasonable to cancel COP 21, but it can be done quietly and sensibly without a poll.
I consider “islamist terrorism” to be an appropriate term. The terrorism is clearly undertaken in the name of islam, just as the inquisition was undertaken in the name of christianity, but it is a seriously warped version of islam just as the inquisition was a seriously warped version of christianity. The use of “islamist” rather than “islamic” differentiates them from other muslims, who are at least as likely to be the victims.
The many statements here that the West will now wake up and crush Islamic State are not supported by history. History shows that the free world does hand-wringing best, and that more often than not it has to be pushed right to the brink before it will take really serious action. Islamist terrorists have been active for a long time. Sayyid Qutb is generally regarded as its initiator in 1964 – see eg. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma%27alim_fi_al-Tariq .The website http://radiobergen.org/terrorism/muslimterror_1977_2004.htm lays out some of the history, starting with the taking of 134 hostages near the White House on 9 March 1977. But that wasn’t the start. I passed through Cairo airport in 1970, the day after four Jumbo Jets had been hijacked. One of them had been blown up at Cairo and the pieces were still beside the runway. Back then, the terrorists went more for disruption than killing people, although they did kill people, but the current lot are now making killing people their chief modus operandi.
I would like it to be otherwise, but I fear that the free world will be afflicted with islamist terrorism for decades to come.

Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  Mike Jonas
November 13, 2015 8:44 pm

Tens of millions of Sunni Arabs view ISIS favorably, as shown by recent public opinion polls of Arab majority states.

Pedric
Reply to  Mike Jonas
November 13, 2015 11:06 pm

The Qur’an sanctifies killing and oppressing non-Muslims. Slavery is a right god-given to Muslims (Qur’an: those whom your right hand possess). The writings of the scholars of Islam, the mujtahidun, are full of violent contempt for Jews and Christians right from the earliest days.
Muslim slave-taking depopulated the entire Mediterranean coast between the 9th and 11th centuries. Muslim armed aggression against Europe stretched from Spain, through Sicily, the southern coast of France, and in Italy. The Crusades were in large part a reaction to that.
Until England put a stop to it, Muslim slave trading along the east African coast and across the Sahara took millions; other untold millions of captives died on that trek. Muslims raided for slaves not only across the Mediterranean and in Africa, but also up into the Caucasus. By the 12th century, the prior large and thriving population of Christians in North Africa was rendered extinct by slaving and massacre.
The dhimma is the condition of slavery to which captive non-Muslim populations are reduced. Christians and Jews (and Hindus) have no rights, and especially no right of defense against an assault by any Muslim for any reason; including for no other reason that that they are Christians or Jews. Resistance of any sort invokes jihad as a response. An imagined slight can produce murder justified by right under the dhimma. Dhimmi — the captive Jewish/Christian population — have no right to give testimony in court, because they are dogmatically convicted as liars for having supposedly falsified their scripture.
All of Earth belongs to god’s chosen — the Muslims. All non-Muslim societies are illicit and have no right to existence. It is a dogmatic precept that they are to be conquered, unless they surrender. Surrender brings the dhimma. The accepted and taught Islamic tactic is to temporize with treaties when too weak, and to attack when victory is likely. The entire non-Muslim world is the dar al-Harb — the House of War. The rest is the dar al-Islam — the House of Submission. You submit. They lord it over you.
All of this, and much more, is there for anyone to read in the history of Islam. Islam is a violent political system disguised as a religion. Violence is sanctified; it is an obligation of every Muslim.
What we see today isn’t Islamic extremism. It is traditional Islam. The Islam of the 9th through the 18th centuries. It is the Islam that murdered 2 million Armenians 100 years ago, and that oppresses the Copts today in Egypt.
Jihad died down for 150 years because no Muslim society was strong enough to pursue it. Now we’re seeing a re-emergence of the true and traditional face of Islam. It’s become more and more exposed over the last 60 years, stimulated in large part by the appearance among them of uppity Jews who dared, dared!, to raise their heads and fight back. There is only one Islamic answer to defiance: violent, murderous jihad.
I argued religion and science on-line for years against Muslims. I read their words saying Jews are their dogs, and that Europe is in their hands.
Islam makes its believers totally and implacably irredentist. It makes smart people stupid and stupid people violent.
Your freedom is an offense against them. They will feel themselves justifiably aggrieved until you are in your proper god-ordained place at their feet.
That’s their program. That’s our problem. It will take a Jeffersonian solution.

Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  Pedric
November 13, 2015 11:31 pm

It may come to the Isabella and Ferdinand’s “final solution”: expulsion or forced conversion.
The Caliphate considers any land that was once Muslim still to be Muslim. The Spanish Reconquest counts for nothing. Spain, southern France, Sicily, all Muslim. The Russian and Austrian-Hungarian liberation of the Balkans? Nothing. British liberation of Greece? Nothing.
In Muslim myth, the Crusades weren’t to free the Christian majority of the Levant from Islamic domination or to allow free passage of pilgrims to Jerusalem blocked by the Seljuk Turks. No, it was aggression. Never mind that a few Europeans in the Holy Land were as nothing as against what was coming, ie the Mongols, who massacred and enslaved whole populations, thoroughly destroying Baghdad.

Tucci78
Reply to  Pedric
November 16, 2015 3:29 pm

On 13 November at 11:06 PM, Pedric had written:

What we see today isn’t Islamic extremism. It is traditional Islam. The Islam of the 9th through the 18th centuries. It is the Islam that murdered 2 million Armenians 100 years ago, and that oppresses the Copts today in Egypt.
Jihad died down for 150 years because no Muslim society was strong enough to pursue it. Now we’re seeing a re-emergence of the true and traditional face of Islam. It’s become more and more exposed over the last 60 years, stimulated in large part by the appearance among them of uppity Jews who dared, dared!, to raise their heads and fight back. There is only one Islamic answer to defiance: violent, murderous jihad.
I argued religion and science on-line for years against Muslims. I read their words saying Jews are their dogs, and that Europe is in their hands.
Islam makes its believers totally and implacably irredentist. It makes smart people stupid and stupid people violent.
Your freedom is an offense against them. They will feel themselves justifiably aggrieved until you are in your proper god-ordained place at their feet.
That’s their program. That’s our problem. It will take a Jeffersonian solution.

Eminently quotable (and duly noted as such). Somebody’s been reading politically incorrect (dare we say “skeptical”?) sources with regard to Islamic doctrine and history.
Or else he sat through the same Comparative Religion course I got in parochial high school back in the early ’60s.

It is not an act of hatred against Muslims to point out the depredations of jihad ideology. It is a peculiar species of displacement and projection to accuse someone [of hatred] who exposes the hatred of one group…: I believe in the equality of rights and dignity of all people, and that is why I oppose the global jihad. Those who make the charge use it as a tool to frighten the credulous and politically correct away from the truth.

— Robert Spencer, About Robert Spencer, Jihad Watch

MarkW
Reply to  Mike Jonas
November 14, 2015 8:39 am

On what basis do you claim that Islamic terrorism is a distortion of Islam?

David Ball
November 13, 2015 8:53 pm

Misspelled dbstealey’s name twice. Geez, I owe you a drink, mod. Have a good night.

Zeke
November 13, 2015 8:53 pm

The UK should close its borders too.

November 13, 2015 9:00 pm

Time to deploy James Taylor (again).

November 13, 2015 9:02 pm

In the Left’s preverse world view, 1 extra part per 10,000 of CO2 causes everything from teenage acne to global jihad by Jslamic terrorists. It’s a strange world we live in.

Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
November 13, 2015 9:05 pm

Yes, but in just over a century it has gone from three molecules of the evil gas to four per 10,000 dry air molecules! That’s a third more and thus scary!

Reply to  Gloateus Maximus
November 13, 2015 9:15 pm

(1/3) x 0 = 0.

Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  Gloateus Maximus
November 13, 2015 9:25 pm

Not in “climate science” arithmetic.

Patrick
November 13, 2015 9:09 pm

When I read this today, I thought it has to be a hoax (No offence to anyone, host or postie), but then I see it is real. Having lived in that part of Europe in the 80’s, it was just a matter of time. Now, not pointing fingers at any one group, on thing I can say is common and that is unemployment. Many riots in Belgium, England, Spain, Italy etc in my experience. Idle young people. National service in the UK seemed to “soak” that idleness up.

Reply to  Patrick
November 14, 2015 6:10 pm

what do you really think, Patrick? No one thinks it is unemployment. No one thinks in the EU anymore the ministries of Truth take care of that.

Patrick
Reply to  Gary Pearse
November 14, 2015 11:54 pm

I said it is common unemployment leads to idle minds. Idle, young, minds that can be manipulated. Many of the riots I saw in Belgium and the UK in the 80’s, were young unemployed people.

November 13, 2015 9:11 pm

On the COP21 Paris survey, Should it be cancelled? This is exactly the mindset US President Obysmal wants.
So if its cancelled, to when? Delay the failure of COP2 prevents the failure.
He can do the same for US general elections in November 2016 to stop a Republican President from being elected. Delay the Democratic presidential failure to preserve his legacy programs until Dems can steal the election all together.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
November 13, 2015 11:34 pm

Think about what would have to happen to make that work, then make your travel plans accordingly.

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