Ocean Acidification: Trying to Get the Science Right

Guest Essay by Kip Hansen

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Preview: In this essay I will discuss the efforts of various scientific bodies and individual scientists to regularize, to bring into line with correct scientific procedures, the budding field of science investigating the effects of increasing atmospheric concentrations of CO2 on the oceans, its chemical make-up including pH, the atmosphere/ocean carbon cycle and what those changes might mean for ocean organisms over the next 100 years – a subject popularly known as Ocean Acidification (hereafter OA).

The 6 August 2015 issue of the journal Nature carried a highlight article under the subject heading Ocean Acidification entitled “Seawater studies come up short — Experiments fail to predict size of acidification’s impact.” (.pdf here)

The Nature highlight article, by Daniel Cressey (a full time Nature reporter based in London) states:

“The United Nations has warned that ocean acidification could cost the global economy US$1 trillion per year by the end of the century, owing to losses in industries such as fisheries and tourism. Oyster fisheries in the United States are estimated to have already lost millions of dollars as a result of poor harvests, which can be partly blamed on ocean acidification.

The past decade has seen accelerated attempts to predict what these changes in pH will mean for the oceans’ denizens — in particular, through experiments that place organisms in water tanks that mimic future ocean-chemistry scenarios.

Yet according to a survey published last month by marine scientist Christopher Cornwall, who studies ocean acidification at the University of Western Australia in Crawley, and ecologist Catriona Hurd of the University of Tasmania in Hobart, Australia, most reports of such laboratory experiments either used inappropriate methods or did not report their methods properly.”

(all in reference to Cornwall and Hurd ICES J. Mar. Sci. http://dx.doi.org/10.1093/icesjms/fsv118 ; 2015 )

followed by:

“Cornwall says that the “overwhelming evidence” from such studies of the negative effects of ocean acidification still stands. For example, more-acidic waters slow the growth and worsen the health of many species that build structures such as shells from calcium carbonate. But the pair’s discovery that many of the experiments are problematic makes it difficult to assess accurately the magnitude of effects of ocean acidification, and to combine results from individual experiments to build overall predictions for how the ecosystem as a whole will behave, he says.”

(Just to be clear, the two quotes above are from the Creesey Nature highlight.)

The paper by Cornwall and Hurd is a masterful piece of science of a type rarely seen in academia today (with a few exceptions to be discussed later). It investigated the experimental design of the current crop of papers in a scientific field and evaluated whether or not the study designs and results analyses used were appropriate to return scientifically meaningful results.

This paper was published in International Council for the Exploration of the Sea (ICES) – Journal of Marine Science. Here’s the abstract:

“Ocean acidification has been identified as a risk to marine ecosystems, and substantial scientific effort has been expended on investigating its effects, mostly in laboratory manipulation experiments. However, performing these manipulations correctly can be logistically difficult, and correctly designing experiments is complex, in part because of the rigorous requirements for manipulating and monitoring seawater carbonate chemistry.

To assess the use of appropriate experimental design in ocean acidification research, 465 studies published between 1993 and 2014 were surveyed, focusing on the methods used to replicate experimental units. The proportion of studies that had interdependent or non-randomly interspersed treatment replicates, or did not report sufficient methodological details was 95%. Furthermore, 21% of studies did not provide any details of experimental design, 17% of studies otherwise segregated all the replicates for one treatment in one space, 15% of studies replicated CO2 treatments in a way that made replicates more interdependent within treatments than between treatments, and 13% of studies did not report if replicates of all treatments were randomly interspersed. As a consequence, the number of experimental units used per treatment in studies was low (mean = 2.0).

In a comparable analysis, there was a singnificant decrease in the number of published studies that employed inappropriate chemical methods of manipulating seawater (i.e. acid–base only additions) from 21 to 3%, following the release of the “Guide to best practices for ocean acidification research and data reporting” in 2010; however, no such increase in the use of appropriate replication and experimental design was observed after 2010.

We provide guidelines on how to design ocean acidification laboratory experiments that incorporate the rigorous requirements for monitoring and measuring carbonate chemistry with a level of replication that increases the chances of accurate detection of biological responses to ocean acidification. “

(I have added paragraphing to the above for readability – kh)

Note: Despite heroic efforts, I have been unable to find a freely available full copy of C&H 2015 online. Chris Cornwall kindly supplied me with an Advance Access .pdf copy of the full study and the supplemental information file. Those wishing to read the full study should either email Dr. Cornwall requesting a copy or email me (my first name at the domain i4 dot net).

First, let me point out that Chris Cornwall and Catriona Hurd are OA research insiders. Unfortunately, the title of the Nature highlight makes their study sound like an indictment of OA research, which it is not.

Chris Cornwall tells me (in personal communication) that their study has been generally well received in the OA field and that “Many scientists have received the suggested solutions with open arms.” And while the Nature highlight will go a long ways towards making the points raised in C&H 2015 clear to scientists all across the OA research field — a good thing — he felt that the Nature piece had elements that were “overly dramatic or incorrect” which had been latched onto by the popular press. Further, Chris says “Debates between scientists about improving a field of research do not invalidate that field, contrary to that reported by the Daily Mail.”

(Late addition: Chris Cornwall responds to the Daily Mail here. There is some slight contradiction between his public statement and his published paper but he does have to continue to work in the field – Cornwall and Hurd intentionally did not publish the details of their analyses of the 465 papers – which ones were appropriate and which inappropriate and why – they only published, as a supplement, a list of the titles of those studies surveyed, for what I assume is the same reason.)

Just what have he and Catriona Hurd done? They have looked at published OA papers from 1993 to 2014 – 465 of them, which must have been an incredibly time consuming task — mostly laboratory manipulation experiments (manipulating atmospheric CO2 concentrations associated with ocean water tanks, usually with oceanic organisms, and pH manipulation of the same). They evaluated each one for inappropriate experimental design and/or analysis of results. The main issue and the major problem with the papers, though not the only one, dealt with the replication, or lack of, of experimental units.

Definition: Experimental units for this discussion can be thought of as individual tanks of sea water + organisms to be studied + treatment (or lack of treatment, in the case of a control tank). In the following diagram, from Cornwall and Hurd (C&H 2015), only experimental designs precede by the letter A are acceptable – all those preceded by B are not. (ref: Hurlbert 1984). (In 2013, Hurlbert used the definition “the smallest… unit of experimental material to which a single treatment (or treatment combination) is assigned by the experimenter and is dealt with independently …”).

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The point being that “Regardless of the degree of precision that the treatment is applied and its effects measured, if treatment effects are confused with the effects of other factors not under investigation, then an accurate assessment of the effects of the treatment cannot be made.” If experimental units are not independent, if they are not truly randomized, if co-confounders can be seen to exist, then the results are not scientifically reliable.

What did C&H find in this regard? Out of the 465 OA studies done between 1993 and 2014, “The proportion of studies that had interdependent or non-randomly interspersed treatment replicates, or did not report sufficient methodological details, was 95%.” That leaves just 5% of the studies judged to have appropriate experimental designs.

We all know that there are many things that can go wrong in lab experiments such as these, those which take months and months, require constant monitoring of finicky details and that can be sabotaged by a moment’s inattention of a lab assistant. These factors we understand and are part of the difficulty of all lab work. But when the original experimental design is insufficient for the purpose from the outset then time, money, and effort are wasted and results become difficult or impossible to interpret – certainly impossible or very difficult to use to perform any sort of meta-analysis across studies.

Further, “the number of experimental units used per treatment in studies was low (mean = 2.0).” Think about that — imagine doing a medical study, an RCT, but using only 2 patients per cohort. Then consider that there are obvious co-confounders with the two patients, such as being siblings! No journal would touch the resultant paper – it would have no significance at all. Granted, one might get away with reporting it as a Case Study, but it would never be considered clinically important or predictive. And yet that is precisely the situation we find generally in OA research – very small numbers of experimental units poorly isolated, often with co-confounders that obfuscate or invalidate treatment effects.

C&H report (at the head of the discussion section):

“This analysis identified that the most laboratory manipulation experiments in ocean acidification research used either an inappropriate experimental design and/or data analysis, or did not report these details effectively. Many studies did not report important methods, such as how treatments were created and the number of replicates of each treatment. The tendency for the use of inappropriate experimental design also undermines our confidence in accurately predicting the effects of ocean acidification on the biological responses of marine organisms.”

The authors maintain nonetheless that even poorly designed studies contain useful information, even if getting at it requires a full re-analysis of reported results. Some experiments however are hopelessly compromised by poor study design.

Having determined the biggest problem to be:

“Confusion regarding what constitutes an experimental unit is evident in ocean acidification research. This is demonstrated by a large proportion of studies that either treated the responses of individuals …. to treatments as experimental units, when multiple individuals were in each tank, or used tank designs where all experimental tanks of one treatment are more interconnected to each other than experimental tanks of other treatments (181 studies total).”

C&H proceed to give suggestions on proper experimental design that will prevent the problems found in the majority of previous studies as well as a series of suggestions regarding statistical evaluation of results. They attempt to set a gold standard for OA research in which known problems are avoided to improve reliability, significance, and usefulness of results.

C&H recommend 1) various approaches to be determined and adopted before the OA manipulation system is designed, 2) lab layout and randomization of the positions of experimental tanks, 3) measurement schemes to avoid pseudo-replication and statistical confusion caused by treatment of measurements — either interdependent measurements treated as independent, or multiple measurements of the same unit treated as independent measurements, and other similar offenses, 4) tips for reviewers (and self-review by authors) . Those interested in the details of this should read this section of the study – it is a valuable lesson in how complicated good experimental design can be even for “simple” hypotheses (I give suggestions above on how to obtain a full copy of C&H 2015).

This study follows up on a major effort in 2010 along the same lines – an effort by the European Project on OCean Acidification (EPOCA) – which produced the booklet “Guide to best practices for ocean acidification research and data reporting” (mentioned in C&H 2015), which gave strict guidelines meant to correct the 21% of pH perturbation experiments that, as of 2010, had been found using methods that did not properly replicate real ocean carbonate chemistry (see sections on seawater carbonate chemistry). The good news from C&H 2015 is that the percentage of studies that contained gross carbonate chemistry errors in the OA studies after 2010 were reduced to just 3% (down from 21% before 2010). The rest of C&H 2015 is the bad news: even though the “Guide to best practices…..” contained an entire section on “Designing ocean acidification experiments to maximise inference” (Section 4 of the guide), 95% of studies surveyed in 2014 failed to meet minimal standards of experimental design (some of these, of course, must have been carried out before the guide was published – nonetheless, C&H report no improvement in experimental design between 2010-2014).

This new field is to be congratulated on its internal attempts to set itself right – to correct endemic errors in its research and educate those involved in better ways to conduct that research so that results will be significant and meaningful in the real world – results that not only are correct and get published, but that add to the sum total of human knowledge.

And yes, it is a shame that so much effort and so many research dollars have been spent for results that, so far, cannot tell us very much that is reliably useful and almost nothing that can be considered accurately predictive. But the hopeful thing is that this field of endeavor is actively engaged in self-correction.

Try to imagine such a thing happening in some other field of Climate Science – insider scientists producing a survey of research that points out that the majority of those studies about some aspect of Climate Science are seriously flawed and will have to be redone with experimental designs and statistical approaches that will actually produce dependable, scientific results.

Back in the OA world, Chris Cornwall has expressed his hope that their new paper in ICES – Journal of Marine Science (and the Nature editorial highlight which significantly raised its profile), will bring improvements to OA experimental design over the next five years similar to those improvements they found for the chemistry aspects of OA studies post-2010.

I hope so too – Chris Cornwall and Catriona Hurd have my congratulations and I wish the entire OA field success, looking forward to new research based on proper experimental design and correct oceanic carbonate chemistry.

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And elsewhere in Science?

Psychology has been rocked by this NY Times story – “Many Social Science Findings Not as Strong as Claimed” which reports about the Reproducibility Project: Psychology.     The original report summary is here: Estimating the Reproducibility of Psychological Science. The Times quotes Ioannidis (author of “Why Most Published Research Findings Are False”):

“Less than half [of 100 experiments were able to be replicated]— even lower than I thought,” said Dr. John Ioannidis, a director of Stanford University’s Meta-Research Innovation Center, who once estimated that about half of published results across medicine were inflated or wrong. Dr. Ioannidis said the problem was hardly confined to psychology and could be worse in other fields, including cell biology, economics, neuroscience, clinical medicine, and animal research.”

The Reproducibility Project (RP) was attempting to validate studies, not invalidate them. They involved original authors in the design of replication attempts. Psychology has long known that many of their journal articles reported experiments that were unlikely to be correct, which exaggerated effect size and significance or did not report real effects at all. The RP is trying to help Psychology as a field of research to regain some semblance of reliability and public confidence, especially after a series of high profile exposés of falsified data and subsequent retractions.

Ioannidis gives a series of suggestions in his “Why Most Published….” paper on what could be done to improve this dismal record.

Reading Ioannidis will give you a lot of insight into what is wrong with CliSci research. Among the suggestions: “large studies with minimal bias should be performed on research findings that are considered relatively established, to see how often they are indeed confirmed. I suspect several established “classics” will fail the test.” For examples of this, see “Contradicted and initially stronger effects in highly cited clinical research” and, from the Mayo Clinic, “A Decade of Reversal: An Analysis of 146 Contradicted Medical Practices” .

Annemarie Zand Scholten & her team at the University of Amsterdam have produced an online course at https://www.coursera.org called Solid Science: Research Methods primarily aimed at social science students/researchers on the theory and practice of proper experimental design.

In the field of forecasting, J. Scott Armstrong has been leading the way with “Standards and Practices for Forecasting.”. There are several leaders in Statistics as well, battling against the dreaded “P-value hacking” (and here).

Those of us (if there is an “us” amongst readers) who believe we need better (not just more) and Feymanian-honest (not just correct) science should applaud these efforts to improve various fields of research, to point out their flaws while avoiding the temptation to “throw the baby out with the bathwater”.

A lot of the ongoing conversation regarding what to do about the what-some-believe-to-be-broken peer-review system include such things as advanced registration of all proposed experiments with their hypotheses, approvals, proposed methods and metrics. Along with this, repositories for all research data and results, raw and processed, all findings, along with resultant papers and subsequent corrections. I believe all these efforts should be supported as well.

I encourage readers to share, in comments, other “self-correction of science” efforts that they are aware of.

It is long past time to end Climate Science’s standard approach which seems to be “Instead of Correction, Collusion.”

(and “Yes, you may quote me on that.”)

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Author’s Comment Policy: I am happy to try to answer your questions about the topics I have brought up in this essay. I act here as a free-lance science journalist, and not a climate or oceanic scientist. Though somewhat knowledgeable, I am unable, and mostly unqualified, to answer questions regarding the science of AGW, CAGW, Global Warming, Global Cooling, Climate Change, Sunspot numbers, solar irradiation, ocean/CO2/carbonate chemistry or other related topics – and will not engage in conversations on those issues. It would be nice if comments here could be about the positive side of self-correcting science efforts and not on the “I knew those blank-ity-blank ocean acidification guys were full of it” side. Thank you for reading.

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co2islife
September 6, 2015 6:19 am

BTW, CO2 is Algae food. It will result in more algae, more O2 in the oceans, more life and the foundation for huge oil reserved millions of years in the future. Mother Nature isn’t stupid or fragile, she has billion of years experience in working through these issues.

What ever happened to “Acid Rain”. I haven’t heard about acid rain since childhood.

It lost its fund raising impact, so the environmentalists went on to create another one. DDT>Acid Rain>Coming Ice Age>Ozone Hole>Global Warming>Climate Change>Ocean Acidificaiton
They have an endless number of crisis to create. BTW, this documentary made way back in the early 1980s predicted the Global Warming crisis when The Coming Ice Age was still the rage. I’m sure it was discounted as a conspiracy documentary back then.
https://youtu.be/WY2VQtGgAJA

co2islife
September 6, 2015 10:56 am

What ever happened to “Acid Rain”. I haven’t heard about acid rain since childhood.

The fund raising impact decreased so the environmental groups needed to manufacture another crisis. The progression since the early 1960s has been DDT>Acid Rain>Garbage on the Highways>Coming Ice Age>Running out of Gasoline in 10 years>Save the Whales>Ozone Hole>Global Warming>Running out of Land Fills>Climate Change>Save the Polar Bears>Ocean Acidification
BTW, CO2 is algae food. More CO2 will increase Ocean Algae, Ocean O2, Aerobic Ocean Life, Ocean Life that eat Algae, Ocean Life that eat Ocean Life the Eat Algae, and the dead algae will set the foundation for new oil reserves in the next few million years.
BTW, this documentary made in the early 1990’s detailed the coming global warming scare when the coming ice age was all the rage. I’m sure it was discounted as a conspiracy theory documentary. I don’t know if it is based on truth, but looking back it had some pretty predictive aspects.
https://youtu.be/p010d9oxD8c

co2islife
September 6, 2015 11:20 am

Human caused, indeed, but not of human origin anymore, as most of the original emissions are replaced by CO2 from other reservoirs, mainly the deep oceans. About 1/3rd of the original human used fossil fuels still are remaining in the atmosphere, as can be seen in the decreasing δ13C level in the atmosphere and the mixed layer of the oceans:

Note, this chart shows the &delta13C; flat to increasing during the little ice age, and then falling once the globe started to warm. That seem to imply a natural event, possibly due to Henry’s Law and the warming of the oceans and the increase in plant growth. Do plants show an affinity to &delta13C; over C12? Man isn’t the only thing that burns fossil fuels, volcanoes rise up through coal and oil deposits, and turn plenty of ancient carbon sourced into CO2. What is the CO2 composition of the sea floor deposits? Ancient Algae? Under seas volcanoes pump CO2 into the oceans and atmosphere 24X7. Do any studies even guess at how much CO2 is pumped into the oceans by volcanoes? Are they even close to being accurate?
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/sponges.jpg

co2islife
September 6, 2015 12:01 pm

About 1/3rd of the original human used fossil fuels still are remaining in the atmosphere, as can be seen in the decreasing δ13C level in the atmosphere and the mixed layer of the oceans:

Help me understand this chart and the concepts.
1) Burning fossil fuels releases CO2 with C12, not C13 because plants prefer C12 over C13.
2) “then the surface water does not mix very much with the deeper waters, so that when the plankton dies, it sinks and takes away 12C from the surface, leaving the surface layers relatively rich in 13C.”
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/sponges.jpg
Here is a chart from the IPCC, it shows the ratio of C13/C12 decreasing, implying either C12 increased or C13 decreased or both.
Figure 2: Annual global CO2 emissions from fossil fuel burning and cement manufacture in GtC yr–1 (black), annual averages of the 13C/12C ratio measured in atmospheric CO2 at Mauna Loa from 1981 to 2002 (red) (IPCC AR4).
http://www.skepticalscience.com/images/co2_vs_emissions.gif
With the surge in plant growth you would think much more C12 would be would be being pulled out of the oceans and put into the atmosphere through decomposition and burning. C12 should be a market of photosynthesis and plant growth. How do they adjust these values for the huge surge in tree and plant growth?
Trillions and Trillions of Trees make that ‘giant sucking sound’ of CO2 from the atmosphere
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/09/03/trillions-and-trillions-of-trees-make-that-giant-sucking-sound-of-co2-from-the-atmosphere/

Retired Kit P
September 6, 2015 3:29 pm

“scientifically means less alkaline and, by definition, more acidic”
I am so old! How old am I? I am so old that when I took environmental chemistry a tini, tiny bit less alkaline was still alkaline. OA is scaremongering pure and simple. Suggesting that doing the science better make it less ‘scaremongering’ is phony baloney. Yes, Kip I think you are being dishonest and you may want to avoid occupations where there are criminal penalties for trying to mislead people.
One of my nuclear jobs was keeping Ph.D. scientists honest for DOE. The model for the geological repository (Yucca Mountain) required inputs from many disciplines. Data points had to track able and traceable to meet NRC regulations. The format of model input documents was controlled by procedures. Ph.D. scientists are are not good and following procedure. I was running out of red ink when I found an input document done correctly. I looked up the author to find out why and he said that he wrote the procedures. I made a template for the procedure so Ph.D. scientists could just cut and paste. A subsequent DOE audit made it a best practice. Honesty requires a disciplined approach and sloppy work is not honest.
Since the science were being paid for by ratepayers, DOE thought they should explain the science in such a way that the public could understand. A Ph.D. scientists who was geologist used the term ‘fugacity of CO2 in water’. Since I had not heard the term before, I commented. He explained that it was a common term in geology but the explanation would very lengthy without increasing understand for the reader. Since we had access to a database of scientific research, I searched for ‘fugacity of CO2 in water’.
One of things I found was reach by NOAA about the fate and transport of CO2 in the ocean. Real science not fear mongering. Seems there is a lot we do not know and calls for closing down coal plants may be a bit premature.

co2islife
Reply to  Retired Kit P
September 7, 2015 4:50 am

One of my nuclear jobs was keeping Ph.D. scientists honest for DOE. The model for the geological repository (Yucca Mountain) required inputs from many disciplines. Data points had to track able and traceable to meet NRC regulations. The format of model input documents was controlled by procedures. Ph.D. scientists are are not good and following procedure. I was running out of red ink when I found an input document done correctly. I looked up the author to find out why and he said that he wrote the procedures. I made a template for the procedure so Ph.D. scientists could just cut and paste. A subsequent DOE audit made it a best practice. Honesty requires a disciplined approach and sloppy work is not honest.
Since the science were being paid for by ratepayers, DOE thought they should explain the science in such a way that the public could understand. A Ph.D. scientists who was geologist used the term ‘fugacity of CO2 in water’. Since I had not heard the term before, I commented. He explained that it was a common term in geology but the explanation would very lengthy without increasing understand for the reader. Since we had access to a database of scientific research, I searched for ‘fugacity of CO2 in water’.

I’ve been making the case for a Scientific Data and Conclusion Verification and Validation Agency and it sounds like you pretty much have already implemented it in the DOE. What you described is exactly what is needed for Climate “Science.” I’ve always made the case that if double blind research and analysis was applied to Climate Science like the FDA requires for Drugs the majority of Climate “Scientists” would be behind bars. Their research and conclusions simply aren’t justifiable when commonly accepted scientific ans statistical practices are applied to them. The only reason we have this climate change nonsense is because fox has been guarding the hen house. They have corrupted the system from top to bottom, and rely on a corrupted “Peer/Pal” review process over reproducibility. Applying double blind testing will remove this problem. Also breaking the process down into components like military contractors do to ensure that on one single employee knows the whole system or end point. The problem with climate “science” is they have a defined end-point, so they design research to reach that pre-determined endpoint.

Retired Kit P
Reply to  co2islife
September 7, 2015 12:33 pm

“already implemented it in the DOE”
I do not have a lot of respect for either DOE or EPA when it comes to rigorous and honest science. DOE is a welfare system for Ph.D. scientists at national labs that used to make weapons before the end of the cold war. It is not about completing a project on time, under budget, safely, with good quality, it is about spending all the budget so you will get more next year.
On the other hand, I have a great deal of respect for the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC). Nuclear related DOE projects must be get a license to operate. Verification and validation of models and computer programs is also an NRC requirement.
For example, there is a standard model for predicting offsite dose for various accidents with core damage. The model assumes that the water in the containment is 100% buffered to a basic pH to keep I-131 in solution so it will not leak from the containment. New designs of PWRs now have a large pool of water inside containment like old BWRs. The NRC asked us how much water of the water was not buffered which turned out to be 10 %. I got tasked with designing the solution but 98% was the best I could do. Looking at the calculation, there is a 75% margin to the regulatory limit, so I asked the chemistry folks to perform a new calculation. With none of the water buffered , there is a 74.8% margin.
My point is that the NRC looks very closely at the science but will accept alternative approaches if sound science justifies it.

September 6, 2015 5:37 pm

There seems to be this notion that coal fired power plants are the lone source of evil CO2 while NG, bio-gas, methanol, oil, gasoline, diesel fuel, etc. are all somehow lesser evil or maybe even benign evil. The heart of CAGW is a not so hidden agenda against coal fired power plants.
Coal plants typically produce about 2,000 lb CO2/MWh, NG steam or simple cycle CT about 1,200 lb CO2/MWh, NG fired CCPP about 700 lb CO2/MWh. There is no carbon containing fuel that produces 0 lb CO2/MWh. (btw a watt is not energy, a watt is power, energy over time, i.e. Btu/h or kJ/h)
As I understand it the Fed/EPA goal is to reduce CO2 output from the power generation sector by 30%. Some say reduce coal fired CO2 by 30%. They are not the same.
30% reduction in power generation CO2 times 38% of US CO2 contribution times 19% global CO2 contribution = 2.27% reduction in global CO2. Whoopee.
Eliminating half of coal fired generation: 0.5 * 0.245 * 0.19 = 0.0233 or 2.33% of global CO2 burden.
Massive economic disruption for an inconsequential solution to a non-existent problem.

September 7, 2015 12:12 am

Kip Hansen September 6, 2015 at 11:11 am
Reply to Alcheson ==> As an expert, perhaps you will read the seawater carbonate section of the EPOCA booklet and let us know if you think they have it right. If they have it incorrect, then they will simply waste more time, effort, and research funds. Looking forward to your input on that.

Kip Hansen, have you actually read the EPOCA booklet!!
I took your advise and after reading it, I can’t believe that you could have written the post you did, if you had actually read it yourself! This deserves a whole post on its own.
That booklet is the most flagrantly political piece of propaganda dressed as science, I have ever read. What ever else it is, it isn’t science. I’ll just quote a few lines, to jog your memory:

The chemical changes associated with the increase of CO2 in the oceans are often referred to as ocean acidification*.

* Ocean acidification is italicised in the original. The preamble makes it clear that the field of “OA” is specifically associated with anthropogenic CO2.

Research on ocean acidification has a primary goal of advancing our understanding of the consequences for marine organisms and ecosystems of future changes in ocean chemistry caused by the anthropogenic rise in atmospheric carbon dioxide levels. Though interesting as a basic research theme, ocean acidification science should play a key role in the development of national and international policies for reducing CO2 emissions. To communicate the science of ocean acidification effectively to industrial leaders, the public and policy makers, the science community must present the results and research implications in clear and consistent terms that relate directly, if possible, to terms used currently in climate discussions, such as atmospheric CO2 levels and potential stabilisation targets. To this end, ocean acidification research programmes should be considered, designed, and reported in the context of realistic ranges for atmospheric p(CO2) levels.

Society and the field of ocean acidification science will benefit from the standardisation of atmospheric carbon dioxide levels as the common currency for discussion of perturbation studies. Use of atmospheric levels will promote the effective communication of results from ocean acidification studies to policymakers, and increase the impact of ocean acidification science in the development of climate adaptation policy.

Ocean acidification is an undisputed fact. The ocean presently takes up one fourth of the carbon CO2 emitted to the atmosphere from human activities. As this CO2 dissolves in the surface ocean, it reacts with seawater to form carbonic acid, increasing ocean acidity and shifting the partitioning of inorganic carbon species towards increased CO2 and dissolved inorganic carbon, and decreased concentration of carbonate ion. Since the beginning of the industrial revolution in the 18th century, surface-ocean acidity has gone up by 30%. The current increase in ocean acidity is a hundred times faster than any previous natural change that has occurred over the last many millions of years. In the case of unabated CO2 emissions
the level of ocean acidity will increase to three times the preindustrial level by the end of this century. Recovery from this large and rapid perturbation will require tens of thousands of years.

I don’t know where to begin to critique this dross. If even an average reader can’t detect the BS here, what hope is left!

co2islife
September 7, 2015 5:24 am

Help me find a natural explanation for this chart: The concepts it is based upon are.
1) Plants show an affinity for C12 over C13 because it works better with their processes.
2) Plant material is C12 rich, as is oil.
3) Algae pull C12 out of the water, leaving H2O C13 rich.
What natural process could explain this chart other than simply burning fossil fuels.
1) The chart is garbage, combining inaccurate proxies with instrumental data, ie Hockeystick Part Deux?
2) More vegetation has been pulling C12 out of the oceans and releasing C12 through decomposition and combustion?
3) C13 doesn’t bubble out of the oceans at the same rate of C12 due to its higher weight? Basically Henry’;s Law’s diffusion coefficient is different for C12 than C13? Basically a 1°C increase in ocean temperatures releases a greater % of C12 than C13.
4) Something has been acting as a C13 sponge and absorbing C13 over C12?
5) There simply isn’t that much C13 out there, so any increase in CO2 will increase the C12/C13 ratio. C13 is constant because plants and the oceans don’t sequester it, so any increase in atmospheric CO2 would be largely be C12. 95% of atmospheric CO2 is natural. Bogs produce huge amounts of CO2, largely all C12. Warmer bogs release more C12 through decomposition. Do warmer oceans release more C12 vs C13 due to Henry’s Law?
Any other ideas would be appreciated.
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/sponges.jpg

scribblerg
September 7, 2015 6:45 am

What a bizarre tone of voice and end conclusion to make. We know for certain now that the science being shoved at us on OA is largely bunk. That is a direct implication of the paper published. Why am I not supposed to react with, “I knew those scientists were activists and politically and selfishly motivated”? I did know they were, I can tell time and time again by the pose and the tone of voice – they are not objective or even trying to be anymore.
Most scientists today are credential pursuing wannabe elitist careerists who’s fondest hope is to advance their careers, not their fields. Why? Because our society rewards careerists/credentialists – and such people hold the power now in media, govt and academia. Maintaining their grasp on power is their agenda, not “truth” or even science. It’s true throughout the humanities in the academy, and has been for a while. Such people run universities now – why would their Marxist power mongering not infect the rest of the institutions they control utterly?
I see it throughout society now. Signaling and credentials and career is what matters most – not the quality of one’s work. Much of this is due to govt subsidy of higher education which allows it to become corrupted due to interests that are created by such an institutional setting. The field of Political Economy predicts these outcomes.
Such institutions are vulnerable to corrupt, politically motivated, power hungry hacks, just as all institutions in a free society are. The most important element to the functioning of a free society is personal virtue, but today, what’s more important is what school you went to, who you studied under, your “worldview”, your ideology and personality. This is what it felt like to be in the Soviet Union, where power and favors and privileges were ostensibly distributed based on merit (same pretense exists in Chinese society today) but in reality what’s being protected are interests and political power.
Too bad if the author doesn’t like me pointing this out. The truth stings, but this is what we are doing to our society. We are crushing open, free inquiry in society with “scientism” or the “pretense of knowledge” as Hayek called it. This is a direct consequence of the Gramscian Counter-Hegemony the New Left sought to bring on by overtaking the institutions of our society and controlling them for “the revolution”. And if you think I’m being hyperbolic, you must have missed that we have a POTUS who taught Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals as a field handbook for political activism. His means sought to corrupt every institution in our society and make it’s agenda about ideology and power, and the left has succeeded. This kind of garbage is what will ensue.
Desperate careerists and climbers with little virtue are the type of people who succeed in such a world. “In a time of universal deceit – telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell

co2islife
September 7, 2015 7:48 am

When massive forest fires like the Yellowstone and other fires occur, what is the quantity of C12 that is put into the atmosphere, and what is the ratio of C12/C13?
Numbers in Yellowstone
9 fires caused by humans.
42 fires caused by lightning.
36% (793,880 acres) of the park was affected.
http://www.nps.gov/yell/learn/nature/1988fires.htm
Largest fires:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires
Man can’t come close to the CO2 producing capabilities of Nature:
Matheson Fire
In 1916, high winds blowing through the forests of Ontario, Canada turned a small fire into an inferno that destroyed nearly 800 square miles of forest. The towns of Matheson, Cochrane, and Nushka Station were destroyed in minutes. The death toll reached an unheard of 223 for the country, although the actual number was probably higher. The fire led to the passage of tougher fire safety laws for northern Ontario.
http://www.firesciencedegree.com/top-25-wildfires-of-all-time/

Retired Kit P
Reply to  co2islife
September 7, 2015 2:08 pm

When considering the carbon cycle biomass returns to its mineral form either through decay or fire producing greenhouse gases carbon dioxide, methane, or nitrous oxide. There is no rule that says man can not collect said biomass and use it for food, building material, energy, or fertilizer. That is what man did for about 10,000 years.
Since 90% of ghg is natural, it would be a good idea not to focus coal power plants of cars.
Forest health issues in semi-arid forest of the west are caused by a well intentioned policy of fighting natural fires that is part of the ecosystem. Not the forest have too much low quality biomass that causes the fires to be more intense than natural fires.
There are low impact methods to remove the excess biomass. Yes we can kill baby trees and use them for energy to solve a problem. Unless you are the Sierra Club.

September 7, 2015 8:05 am

Kip Hansen September 7, 2015 at 6:59 am
Reply to Scott Wilmot Bennet ==> I hope you read past the obligatory introduction and executive summary, which by design and intent in these days of politicized science are flagrantly alarmist, and got down to the basic science and the chapters laying out how to correct the research that was being done to get results that will inform us more clearly about what is happening now and what might happen in the future. It is worth the effort.

Yes, I did read every word. I took chemistry at high school and I remembered just enough to give me a good grasp of the essentials dealt with by the formulae provided. But the point is, that none of it deals with the question of “OA”, it is just assumed! For example, if you add a load of C02 to the ocean, by their definition you are acidifying it! I kid you not, that is as far as it goes! And it does go further by scarring the hell (I imagine) out of any would be scientist that might attempt to measure “OA”, with the frightening prospect of $50,000 worth of necessary equipment that might give you some kind of measurement that will most likely be too inaccurate to quote in peer review! I do not exaggerate, this document is ridiculous when looked at with anything other than the rose coloured and partisan glasses of group think.
Here is what I really think they think:
“OA is beyond doubt and debate but we can’t verify it and it is unverifiable!
However, use these guidelines to maintain a consistent focus on increasing atmospheric C02.”

Editor
September 7, 2015 9:43 am

Reply to SWB ==> Yes, you have the basic chemistry try right — “if you add a load of C02 to the ocean (or any other water), by their definition you are acidifying it” — that is exactly what the field of study is about. That is also true — just a basic fact of chemistry, no getting around it. You may like to kick and shout about the way the term “acidification” is used — but if you get over that, let them set a definition as “adding CO2 to water” (eg: adding carbonic acid == “a very weak acid formed in solution when carbon dioxide dissolves in water.”) is what they call “acidification”. If one keeps “acidifying” a solution, its pH gets lower and lower. Basic chemistry is not something that requires quite so many exclamation marks.
And you have something else quite right too. In order to really do the science right, to investigate what effects we might see in oceanic waters and the organisms there, one has to do expensive research, difficult finicky research — not just but a couple of fish tanks, a few tropical fish or bits f living coral, and slop in some acid. Both EPOCA and C&H2015 call the field to task for trying to do the research “on the cheap” — both fiscally and in the amount of effort and understanding expended.
And there simply is “no doubt” that adding more CO2 to thew atmosphere and thus the ocean, the pH of the ocean will go lower. How much? How soon? What will the effects be? Will effects be positive or negative? (and by whose standards?) Does it matter? These are the questions OA research is trying to answer.
And yes, they are raising money on the Climate Scare bandwagon — very effectively, thank you.
The point is, their own insiders are insisting that they do the science right. If they do, they there will be something to think rationally about — the results of correctly done and analyzed results.
In today’s continuing endless battle of various sides in the ever expanding number of recognizable Science Wars — one must ignore the cannon fire and rocket volleys and look at the larger issue — the science and how it is progressing.
OA Research is one field that is demonstrably trying to hold the line — get the science right.

September 7, 2015 10:10 am

KIp, do you really believe what you say above? I wonder how worldly you are. Do yo really consider the advise you just gave me is more than token? Without a serious lack of imagination, you could not think what you just wrote is an answer to my various and considered posts. As to your critique of my grammar I’ll not respond!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😉

Richard
September 7, 2015 12:15 pm

Here’s a little calculation we can do to determine the maximum possible contribution from nature to the CO2 greenhouse based on figures from the IPCC and NASA
i) It’s generally accepted that the CO2 concentration increased by about 100ppmv between glacials and interglaicals and this increase is assumed to be global
ii) According to the IPCC (I think it was in AR4 or AR5) “the global mean temperature changed by 4ºC-7ºC between ice-ages and warm interglacial periods”
iii) According to NASA the global surface temperature has increased by as much as 1.5C since 1850 (although I think some would agree that is too high)
Assuming a temperature increase of 5.5C (the average) we get a linear relationship between CO2 and global temperature of around 18ppmv (close to Ferdinand’s figure above of 16ppmv).
Also, assuming the global surface temperature has increased by 1.5C then that gives us an oceanic temperature-induced increase of around 27ppmv.

chipstero7
Reply to  Richard
September 7, 2015 12:20 pm

18ppmv per degree sorry

grumpyoldman22
Reply to  Richard
September 7, 2015 5:31 pm

I have been trying to get someone out there to give me a scientific definition of global (surface) temperature. I could perhaps then see what relevance it could have to atmospheric heat content. The same info has also been sought for ocean temperature. If I could have definitions I could understand how it can be measured and consequently altered by some action.
It is this lack of proper definition and general lack of understanding of how a model-based term is applied to actual atmospheric or oceanic behaviour that invariably leads debate insidiously back to using terms that include ºC (or Farenheit or Kelvin) in the arguments of both sides. As soon as ºC appears in the debate there is the presumption that the quoted value has agreed validity unless challenged at each appearance.
My view is that we do not have the means to measure sufficient samples of atmosphere or ocean temperature simultaneously at any point of the time continuum to be somehow averaged and used meaningfull in a debate on climate. The same question can be asked of climate itself: define climate first then measure it and compare changes over time.
If the real parameter can’t be measured except from models how can we hope to propose causes and effects?

Editor
Reply to  grumpyoldman22
September 8, 2015 8:03 am

Reply to grumpyoldman22 ==> A fair question — perhaps more appropriately asked in response to a essay or column dedicated to Global Temperature issues.

Reply to  grumpyoldman22
September 8, 2015 9:31 am

“…define climate first…”
For what it is worth IPCC AR5 glossary defines climate as weather averaged over 30 years.

grumpyoldman22
Reply to  grumpyoldman22
September 8, 2015 3:17 pm

There are definitions like this in Wikipedia too. They are not scientific in any way and consistently deflect giving an answer to my problem.
Kip Hansen reply of 8:03am is also a deflection. I believe the OA addicts have entrenched the ficticious global temperature in their pseudo science about reduced alkalinity.

co2islife
September 8, 2015 4:06 am

There seems to be this notion that coal fired power plants are the lone source of evil CO2 while NG, bio-gas, methanol, oil, gasoline, diesel fuel

Reality is stranger than fiction today. The Democrats fight Nuclear Power in the US and promote Nuclear Power in Iran, in fact Obama wants us to give Iran the fissile material. Once the agreement is signed Iran gets to export their oil, which will depress gas prices and increase fuel consumption and CO2. Democrats also claim like Chamberlainesque fashion that by arming our enemy to the teeth it will somehow prevent war, an if Iran with a Nuclear Bomb will be more reasonable that without. Democratic logic at its best. They fight Nuclear Power here at home while they fight to get an already energy independent nation Nuclear power and eventual a bomb. To top it off, the Iranian military will do the inspections to make sure they remain in compliance, and no US official will be allowed in Iran.

Reply to  co2islife
September 8, 2015 9:38 am

“…if Iran with a Nuclear Bomb…”
There is a big difference between reactor fuel and bomb fuel. And there are plenty of nuclear power countries capable of becoming nuclear nut jobs, i.e. Pakistan, North Korea, et. al. Why single out Iran? Oil?

co2islife
Reply to  Nicholas Schroeder
September 11, 2015 6:35 pm

Why single out Iran? Oil?

I don’t know of any other Nation we are actively trying to give nuclear material too, nor do I know of any other Nation that refers to the US as the great satin, and vows to erase Israel from the map.

James at 48
September 8, 2015 8:57 am

Lots of research money being blown on looking at a speculative source of acidification meanwhile the real ones are very easy to measure and understand.

September 9, 2015 11:05 am

Who is Kip Hansen really? Who ever he really is, he has just posted and promoted a propaganda piece that is incontrovertibly pure. I have know idea who this identity is. Either he isn’t who he’s says he is, or he has a feeble grasp of reality. Anthony, I trust you know who Kip Hanse really is!

Editor
Reply to  Scott Wilmot Bennett
September 9, 2015 11:15 am

Reply to SWB ==> Use the new climate science search engine at Climate of Sanity and Freedom and search “Kip Hansen”.

Reply to  Kip Hansen
September 11, 2015 7:10 am

Kip, yes you posted a wonderful piece on the importance of rigour in the scientific study of “Flying Spaghetti Monsters”* You may not be a useful Idiot but I think this post was a mistake for you and useful to others.
Have you thought at all about the silliness you’ve been dragged into. Please take some time to really think about this polarised world view you have been sold and suckered to defend. As a journalist perhaps you know that the notion of two sides to every story is a myth. There is only one real story and you are currently supporting the myth. Ocean acidification as a field of study, is indefensible and oxymoronic. The study of Ocean chemistry, well that is something worthy of defence!
*Richard Dawkins discussed this in his “God Delusion”, a book not unlike Carl Sagan’s “Demon Haunted World”.

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