Quote of the week: Obama's Climate Claim in Alaska

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As commenter “Bad Andrew” says:

You have got to do a post on this. Meanwhile, other countries laugh:

Obama Rebuffed As Superpowers Refuse To Sign Arctic Climate Agreement

On Sunday and Monday, foreign ministers and other international leaders met in Anchorage, Alaska to attend the Conference on Global Leadership in the Arctic. As a sign of the importance the United States placed on the Alaska forum, President Barack Obama attended. He used the conference as a platform for urging swifter action to combat climate change. After the conference, the representatives of the Arctic Council members signed a joint statement affirming “our commitment to take urgent action to slow the pace of warming in the Arctic.” China said that it needed more time to review the document before signing. But RT had a different take, saying that China and India “opted not to sign the document” because “reducing emissions entails huge expenditure and loss of economic effectiveness.” The failure to come to an agreement at the GLACIER conference sends a troubling signal for the Paris summit, and for U.S.-China cooperation in general. –Shannon Tiezzi, The Diplomat, 1 September 2015

The US-led GLACIER environmental conference in Anchorage ended with a joint declaration calling for more international action to tackle climate change. But Russia (the world’s leading oil and gas producer), China (the world largest producer of goods), and India with its huge emerging economy opted not to sign the document, however nonbinding it might appear. For China and India reducing emissions entails huge expenditure and loss of economic effectiveness, and for Russia the upcoming environmental deal brings additional costs to the oil and gas extraction industries. Moscow is boosting Russia’s presence in the Arctic, including militarily, for at least two reasons: future hydrocarbons extraction and the Northern Sea Route, a much shorter way from Asia to Europe, which could soon be operable year-around because of less ice in the Arctic Ocean. —Russia Today, 1 September 2015

While visiting Alaska and becoming the first American president to enter the Arctic Circle, President Obama announced Tuesday he would speed up the acquisition of icebreakers to help the U.S. Coast Guard navigate an area that Russia and China increasingly see as a new frontier. The announcement is the latest power play in the Arctic north, where melting ice has led to a race for resources and access. Forty percent of the world’s oil and natural gas reserves lie under the Arctic. Melting ice also would lead to new shipping routes, and Russia wants to establish a kind of Suez Canal which it controls. More than a Cold War, Russia may be preparing for an Ice War, and the Pentagon is taking note.  –Jennifer Griffin, Fox News, 2 September 2015

 

The quote from Obama:

“If we do nothing, Alaskan temperatures are projected to rise between six and twelve degrees by the end of the century ”

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mwhite
September 2, 2015 11:56 am

“If we do nothing, Alaskan temperatures are projected to rise between six and twelve degrees by the end of the century ”
http://media.breitbart.com/media/2015/09/Table-2.jpg
It’ll be a tropical paradise what with all that warming in the 20th century!!!

September 2, 2015 11:57 am

Old tree-stumps in glaciers that shrink.
It once was much warmer – you think.
We can learn from the past
warm and cold will not last.
You cannot get this? – Seek a shrink.
http://lenbilen.com/2015/09/01/on-president-obamas-visit-to-alaska-check-the-tree-stumps-in-the-retreating-glaciers-a-limerick/

Windsong
September 2, 2015 11:58 am

More on ice breakers. And, don’t forget shippers in the Great Lakes are requesting more robust breakers after two heavy ice years.
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/weapons/RL34391.pdf

Dawtgtomis
September 2, 2015 12:04 pm

Thanks buddy, got to laughing and just about wiped out a fence with the haybine. Unintended consequences…

Dawtgtomis
Reply to  Dawtgtomis
September 2, 2015 12:06 pm

Sorry misplaced that- was DBStealey: September 2, 2015 at 10:51 am

Pamela Gray
Reply to  Dawtgtomis
September 2, 2015 7:37 pm

Would that be a hay baler? And you must be from…?

Steve P
Reply to  Pamela Gray
September 2, 2015 9:40 pm

Haybines cut; balers bale. Haybines are also known as MoCo – mower/conditioner.
” Traditionally, hay is cut with a sickle-bar mower. A haybine or swather, either pulled by a tractor or a self-powered unit, combines the mower with a reel that stands grass up for the cutter, a conditioner that crushes the stems so the hay will dry faster, and a windrower, which can be set to leave the cut hay in windrows or spread out.”
http://www.sheepscreek.com/rural/hay.html
I’m not a farmer, but I do like to look up stuff when questions arise to satisfy my own curiosity. Apparently some haybines are internet-ready, at least in Hooterville. Dawt may correct me on all of this, but as he may be getting untangled from his fence, I thought I’d jump in.
https://www.google.com/search?q=haybine&biw=1366&bih=613&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAmoVChMIxM_q5oDaxwIVS5WICh1C-wJP

DD More
September 2, 2015 12:09 pm

According to Deborah Kurtz, the physical science program manager for Kenai Fjords National Park where Obama hiked Tuesday, the Exit Glacier, which flows from the Harding Icefield has retreated 800 feet since 2008, 187 in 2014 alone.
“Climate is the primary driver of ice loss,” she said, adding that Harding Icefield is 10% smaller than it was in 1950. She called what has been seen in recent years an “unprecedented rate of warming.”

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-84333175/
But –
Unlike many glacial terrains where cooling trends reduce summer melting, bringing on glacial advances, the Kenai Fjords glaciers move forward when warmer weather brings moisture-laden storms to the coast. Air is rapidly forced over the abrupt mountains and drops copious snowfall onto the Harding Icefield.
http://www.nps.gov/akso/nature/science/ak_park_science/PDF/2004Vol3-1/Ecological-Overview-of-Kenai-Fjords-National-Park.pdf
So if there is less ice, is Resident Obama now confirming it is getting cooler?
Changes in magnetic susceptibility (MS), organic-matter content (OM), and biogenic silica (BSi), record environmental changes since ~9500 BP. Goat Lake is situated ~450 m north of a drainage divide at ~70 m above lake level that separates the lake basin from the Harding Icefield (HIF) outlet glacier. Sediment analyses focused on the last 1000 yr; this interval includes a sharp transition from gyttja to overlying inorganic mud at ~1660 AD, which marks the first time since the Pleistocene deglaciation that the North Goat Outlet Glacier (NGO) of the HIF overtopped the drainage divide to spill meltwater into Goat Lake. One 14C age of ~1470 AD from a subfossil log buried by till in the NGO valley requires ~145 yr for the outlet glacier to have thickened 150 m to the elevation of the drainage divide where it remained until ~1890 AD. Since ~1890, the NGO has thinned 150 m and retreated 1.4 km, back to where it was in 1470 AD.
https://nau.edu/uploadedFiles/Academic/CEFNS/NatSci/SESES/Forms/Daigle_2006.pdf
Current glacier positions last seen in 1470.
See also – Calkin Wiles 1992

kim
September 2, 2015 12:10 pm

I was struck by his comment that while he’s President the United States will lead the world in fighting climate change. Methinks he’s got an inkling that in fact the US leads in skepticism of the ‘Catastrophic’ in AGW, and methinks he’s got an inkling that the Democrat nominee is going down, in part over this issue.
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Catcracking
Reply to  kim
September 2, 2015 12:40 pm

Let’s hope his leadership is a effective as that against ISIS which he vowed to destroy.

Catcracking
September 2, 2015 12:15 pm

The inconvenient truth about receding glaciers in Alaska, please let the President know, the MSM will ignore the facts:
http://juneauempire.com/stories/010501/Com_Glacier.shtml#.VedDyflVhBe

September 2, 2015 12:35 pm

To me, it was not clear that, Canada, Norway, Iceland, Denmark (Greenland) were present.
Indeed,

GLACIER took place during the U.S. Chairmanship of the Arctic Council, but is not an Arctic Council sponsored event. –source

It seems those countries were there. List of Heads of Delegations
http://www.state.gov/e/oes/glacier/docs/246443.htm
Couldn’t help but notice that Canada sent the Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of Canada

Charlie
September 2, 2015 1:32 pm

He renamed Mt Mckinley Denali when most people in Alaska already called it Denali. Wow,what a hero! Now if somebody calls it Mikinley will they face a summons? Is it ok forAmerican Indians to call it Mikinley? I never knew of a president that claimed his legacy on all fabricated and useless symbolic issues. Climate change, Affordable care act, shaking down police officers in citiess that riot and shaking hands with Cuba. Progress indeed

Alx
September 2, 2015 1:48 pm

That’s funny the Obama administration this past Monday gave approval to allow drilling for oil off the Alaskan coast, a major victory for the petroleum industry and the Alaskan economy. BTW fossil fuels is integral to Alaskan economy. The glaciers are not.
That’s the thing about Obama he can get liberals to vote using climate change hysterics while telling the oil companies, “Drill baby drill!”. The man speaks with forked tongue and is good at it.
Or as it will be put in the next speech, “I will save Alaska from climate change and bring economic prosperity to Alaskans.” The cognitive and practical dissonance be damned.

Don Gleason
September 2, 2015 1:52 pm

Would anybody be surprised to find the Sea Level Trend at Sitka, AK, is DOWN! Stick that in your teleprompter.
http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_station.shtml?stnid=9451600

Reply to  Don Gleason
September 3, 2015 3:06 pm

I am not surprised that Sitka is moving. Whether it was moving up or down I didn’t know.
Sitka sits near a mostly transform fault moving at 5.5 cm/yr.
But the mountains exist for a reason.
Physics of the Earth and Planetary Interiors, 54 (1989) 241-257
Elsevier Science Publishers B.V ., Amsterdam – Printed in The Netherlands

old construction worker
September 2, 2015 3:32 pm

Obama wants to build more ice breakers: Viva Yahoo News: Obama pushes for more U.S. ice-breaking might in Arctic:
Reuters
By Roberta Rampton
My comment was: Why do we need any ice breakers? According to “CO2 drives the climate” alarmist the Arctic will be ice free. According to Big Al the Arctic should have bee ice free back in 2009.

Marcus
September 2, 2015 3:55 pm

Great idea..Let’s build ice breakers because, ummm , well , ummm there is no ice ????

zenrebok
September 2, 2015 4:49 pm

Secular Apocalypse, whats not to like?
First they never come true, only the bad actors change, and then not by a huge degree. The script changes, but its the same story every time.
I recall the Romantic comedy ‘2012’ with John Cusack, playing John Cusack in the lead role, couldn’t stop laughing.
The formula is as follows…
‘Something, something, something SCIENCE!,
Something, something, BAD HUMANS!,
something, something, GOOD HUMANS!,
Special Effects!!!,..DISASTER!,
Rich White people die en mass,
Poor huddled masses inherit the earth,
Mucho mucho Sophistry voice over ending.
(Often Morgan Freeman, cos James Earl Jones – Darth Vader init)
Cue Sun coming up over unrecognizable landscape with statue of liberty crumbling in background.’
Over and over again for the last twenty years.
Handy Hint: Inspect your children’s minds.
Note: Cognitive dissonance smells like burning hair, cordite, diesel exhaust and freshly tilled earth.

phlogiston
September 2, 2015 4:50 pm

Obama’s Alaska climate-change sleepover just got gate-crashed by the CHINESE NAVY:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34131429
Is someone trying to give Obama a gentle hint as to where a real threat is coming from?

NW sage
September 2, 2015 5:51 pm

The quote from Obama:
“If we do nothing, Alaskan temperatures are projected to rise between six and twelve degrees by the end of the century ”
This needs to be added in the interest of completeness: ‘And if we do anything the Alaskan temperatures are projected to rise between six and twelve degrees in the same time period.’
The probabilities of both are the same.

Steve
September 2, 2015 6:03 pm

This is in the category of “A man will say anything if it helps him get laid”. Obama doesn’t really care about climate change. His life is all about becoming a rich celebrity who people think has a good heart. Politically he takes the side of the issue that seems more caring and makes him seem more like Robin Hood. Less war so fewer people are hurt, more taxes on the rich to help the poor, better health care for the poor, and save the planet from greedy people exploiting it. There is no thought involved in his political positions other than what looks better to Hollywood. He also uses his position as president to increase his status as a celebrity, appearing on talk shows (over 10 times) and inviting movie stars to sit with him at fund raisers. This Alaskan trip was perfect for him because he got to be a guest on the “Bear Grylls” show and go on a trip to save the planet. What acting president goes on a reality TV show? He has us all fooled, racking up outrageous bills for his lavish vacations, the “Vacationer in Chief”‘s only concern about any issue is that he supports the side that makes him more popular with the Hollywood crowd he wants to build his status with.

Ed
September 2, 2015 6:14 pm

Six to Twelve degrees rise in temp by the end of the century, huh? Was that in °F or °C?
What a maroon.

co2islife
September 2, 2015 7:15 pm

The Obama Legacy. Lie after lie after lie. He is making Jimmy Carter look competent.
http://media.breitbart.com/media/2015/09/Table-2.jpg

September 2, 2015 7:43 pm

He probably never heard of the Nananne-ice-classic. Check yr 2013 – not that long ago:
http://sled1.library.uaf.edu/sled/?q=content/what-are-official-breakup-dates-and-times-nenana-ice-classic

Steve P
September 2, 2015 8:11 pm

Fishy Foot Fetish Follies & Derivative Doggerel Department
While the media are fawning
Big Salmon are spawning
North to Alaska!
They go North, the Rush is on.

or:
Those boots were made for Obama
But watch out what he do
One of these days a fish is gonna
Spawn all over his shoe

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20150902/NEWS02/150909746
Chip Javert
September 2, 2015 at 11:31 am
Despite what many think, there is no record of Abe Lincoln writing or uttering those well-known words about fooling people, which inconvenient truth however, makes them no less true.
http://isp.netscape.com/whatsnew/package.jsp?name=fte/lincoln/lincoln
(Just be glad I didn’t post the picture of the squirting salmon)

Gerald Machnee
September 2, 2015 8:21 pm

They might build ice-breakers for the wrong reason and eventually look good. As the ice increases in the next number of years they will need the breakers. Of course they will blame global warming for the increase.

September 2, 2015 9:51 pm

“Obama and Ignorance – An Infectious Disease”
http://rhymeafterrhyme.net/obama-and-ignorance-an-infectious-disease/

Zeke
September 2, 2015 10:38 pm

“I had a chance to meet with some Native peoples before I came in here, and they described for me villages that are slipping into the sea, and the changes that are taking place — changing migratory patterns; the changing fauna so that what used to feed the animals that they, in turn, would hunt or fish beginning to vanish. (sic) It’s urgent for them today. But that is the future for all of us if we don’t take care.” ~Obama via comment by Steve P
Natives are always so handy to prove one’s own point. If I have seen it once I have seen it a thousand times.
In this video, a man from the Sioux reservation shares his dream, and asks for help interpreting the dream, “since no one has all the answers.”
Chief Shares His Dream of President Obama
https://youtu.be/sywLXEPdVNY
I could not bring myself to shorten this video.

Charlie
Reply to  Zeke
September 3, 2015 6:56 am

It just sounds like your run of the mill Obama dream. Obama representing something else he says he is. It is just a dream though. I am not going to comment on spirituality but I don’t believe any ethnic group or tribe to have any deeper knowledge of such principles over another. To me dreams are mostly just your brain playing mental movies that reflect your anxieties, thoughts and emotions while you are asleep and the veil is off. It doesn’t tell me much other then possibly what this chief was thinking or feeling at some point.

Zeke
Reply to  Charlie
September 3, 2015 9:25 am

Charlie says, “To me dreams are mostly just your brain playing mental movies that reflect your anxieties, thoughts and emotions while you are asleep and the veil is off.”
I really like that description. We all understand the importance of language in conveying meaning to each other. In the case of language, the more specific and measured, the better.
But people also speak in images, pictures, and analogous stories. People communicate in pictures because not everything we know can fall into words. The fact that we dream shows that we speak in images. Y’shua often spoke in parables. “Why do you speak to them in parables?” Most myths are a kind of parable, conveying things which cannot be described, only shown. Perhaps that is why we enjoy movies. The number one rule for a good movie is “Show, don’t tell.”
In sleep the right hemisphere may speak while the language center is “down,” or the “veil is off,” as Charlie put it.The brain is really made of two brains, which operate very differently, but equally and in parallel. We know a little bit about that because of split brain patients, whose corpus collosum has been severed. The people who have lost connectivity to the right hemisphere can function but they cannot understand any kind of idiom. For example, they can be very startled by statements like “it’s raining cats and dogs.” “I could eat a horse.” For split brain patients, this can cause considerable anxiety and there are various ways they may use to cope with idioms which are so incomprehensible to them.
And the tyranny of the linguistic and syllogistic is sometimes balanced by warnings and humor from visual dreaming. After all, reason and appearances can be very misleading, and sometimes the non-linguistic side must alert us to our own conclusions or extrapolations which are often actually based on very limited data.

September 3, 2015 12:56 am

So it would still be colder than a well digger’s butt