EPA's gross negligence at Gold King Mine includes disappearing 191 incident photos from their website

WUWT contributor Russell Cook notes:

EPA has scrubbed all 191 photos off their photo log / list view pages http://www.epaosc.org/site/image_listview.aspx?site_id=11082 . If the #1 item at this page is an accurate indicator, the scrub took place on Sunday.

I had visited that site last week when the event first happened and I wrote my first report, and I can confirm that the photos below, plus many more, are now gone.

What could have rendered all those photos, which were previously labeled “Security Level: Public“, as now not for public viewing?

GoldKing blowout eyewitness

What is the EPA hiding with this unwarranted action? – Anthony Watts


 

Fear-mongering, pollution standards and negligence rules don’t apply when EPA is at fault

Guest essay by Paul Driessen  

On August 5, an Environmental Restoration company crew, supervised by US Environmental Protection Agency officials, used an excavator to dig away tons of rock and debris that were blocking the entrance portal of Colorado’s Gold King Mine, which had been largely abandoned since 1923. Water had been seeping into the mine and out of its portal for decades, and the officials knew (or could and should have known) the water was acidic (pH 4.0-4.5), backed up far into the mine, and laced with heavy metals.

But they kept digging – until the greatly weakened dam burst open, unleashing a 3-million-gallon (or more) toxic flood that soon contaminated the Animas and San Juan Rivers, all the way to Lake Powell in Utah. To compound the disaster, EPA then waited an entire day before notifying downstream mayors, health officials, families, farmers, ranchers, fishermen and kayakers that the water they were drinking, using for crops and livestock, or paddling in was contaminated by lead, cadmium, mercury and arsenic.

Three million gallons of turmeric-orange poisonous water and sludge is enough to fill a pool the size of a football field (360×160 feet) seven feet deep. Backed up hundreds of feet above the portal into mine adits, stopes, rooms and other passageways that begin at 11,458 feet above sea level, the flash-flooding water had enough power to rip out a road and propel its toxic muck hundreds of miles downstream. (You can review EPA’s incompetence and gross negligence in these project photos* and post-disaster images.)

Anyone who follows mining, oil spill and power plant accidents knows the EPA, Obama White House and Big Green environmentalist rhetoric: There is no safe threshold for chemicals. They are toxic and carcinogenic at parts per billion. The water will be unsafe for years or even decades. Wildlife will die. Corporate polluters are criminals and must pay huge fines. We will keep our boots on their necks.

This time the White House was silent, and Democrats and eco-activists rushed to defend EPA and shift the blame to mining and mining companies. EPA officials made statements they would never use if a private company had caused the blowout: EPA had simply “miscalculated” how much water had backed up. It was just trying to stick a pipe into the top of the mine to safely pump liquid out for treatment. We were “very careful.” Contaminants “are flowing too fast to be an immediate health threat.” The river is already “restoring itself” back to pre-spill levels, EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy insisted.

The evidence strongly suggests that EPA never studied or calculated anything, had no operations plan vetted and approved by state officials or mining experts, was not trying to install a pipe – and was grossly careless and negligent. Toxic sludge was carried and deposited along hundreds of miles, contaminating water and riverbeds, where it will be stirred up for years during every heavy rainfall and snowmelt.

Mining engineers told me the prudent approach would have been to push or drill a 4-inch pipe through the rubble into the mine, to determine the water pressure, toxicity and extent of water backup in the mine – and then build a strong cofferdam below the portal – before proceeding. Simply removing the debris was stupid, dangerous and negligent, they said. It will take years now to correct the damage and assess costs.

A week after the great flood, EPA finally built a series of retention ponds to contain and filter out heavy metals and chemicals. But the August 5 surge and sludge are still contaminating Colorado, Utah, Arizona and New Mexico rivers, in arid regions where water is scarce and precious. The Navajo Tribal Unity Authority says meeting EPA standards for clean drinking water could double the tribe’s costs for building a new treatment plant and cost millions more in testing and operating expenses.

EPA says it will pay for testing, property damage, human injuries and hauling safe drinking water. But will it pay to truck in safe water for livestock and irrigation, and pay for crops and livestock lost because there is no water in the meantime, and cover millions in lost incomes for outfitters and hotel operators during what would have been their peak tourist seasons? Exxon paid such costs after the Valdez spill in Alaska; BP did likewise after its Macondo spill in the Gulf of Mexico; so have coal companies.

Shouldn’t EPA do likewise, instead of asserting “sovereign immunity” despite its gross negligence? Shouldn’t it cover these costs out of the millions of dollars it uses for employee bonuses and to payenvironmental activists and public relations firms to promote its image and agenda – instead of sticking taxpayers with the tab via special appropriations? Will EPA reimburse state and local governments and private charities for assistance they have already rendered? Will it fire the irresponsible officials, or at least demote and discipline them? Will Environmental Restoration pay its fair share?

Under standards that EPA and environmentalists apply to the private sector, Gold King was a disaster. However, the accident could also be an impetus for reflection and responsible regulatory reform.

Anti-mining pressure groups and factions within EPA will use this accident to press for new layers of mining rules, bonds, payments and liabilities. They are unnecessary – and will only restrict the jobs, expertise and revenues needed to ensure that exploration, mining, reclamation and repair of abandoned (orphan) mines are done properly. Modern mining, processing and pollution prevention methods are vastly superior to those employed even 50 years ago, and do not cause the exaggerated impacts alleged by Earthwatch EarthJustice and others. Moreover, the metals and minerals are essential for the wondrous technologies and living standards, the health, housing, transportation and recreational pursuits, that we enjoy today.

The Gold King blowout was predictable and preventable. The mine was leaking slightly polluted water, but the problem was not serious and was being addressed, and the former mining town of Silverton, CO had repeatedly asked EPA not to intervene or make Gold King a Superfund site. Mining engineers and other experts were available, and some had offered their insights and expertise. EPA ignored them.

EPA – and all government agencies – should end their We-know-best and We-know-what-we’re-doing attitudes … and seek outside advice from real experts in the trenches. They should also develop careful operating plans, assess worst-case scenarios, and take steps to ensure that the worst doesn’t happen. Sometimes they just need to do nothing, get out of the way, and let the private sector handle problems.

But they should support Clean Water Act and other revisions to make it easier, less costly and less fraught with potential liability for companies or coalitions of dedicated parties to fix pollution discharge problems at the relatively few abandoned mines that are leaking contaminated water at worrisome levels.

EPA’s new view that these pollutants are not as toxic as previously claimed – and that nature can and does clean things up – is refreshing, even if self-serving. (My use of “toxic” in this article mostly reflects currently prevailing agency, activist and public health industry attitudes and safety standards.)

Standards for maximum contaminant levels and maximum safe exposures are often absurdly low, and the concept of “linear no threshold” (that there is no safe exposure or blood or tissue level for lead, cadmium, arsenic and other metals) is outdated and wrong, Dr. Edward Calabrese and other experts argue.

Pollution, exposure and blood levels are often safe at significantly higher levels than regulations currently allow. Moreover, low levels of exposure to radiation and many chemicals can actually provide protection from cancer, disease and pollutants. While this concept of hormesis is generally ignored by current regulations, we know that a little alcohol improves heart functions, whereas a lot causes multiple problems; an 80 mg aspirin can prevent strokes, but a bottleful can kill; and many vaccinations inject disease strains that cause a person’s immune system to produce antibodies and prevent the disease.

The Obama EPA is already using WOTUS rules on water and a Clean Power Plan on electricity generation and climate change to control virtually everything we make, grow and do. Congressional committees, presidential candidates, businesses and citizens need to get involved, debate these issues, ask tough questions, and work to implement appropriate reforms. Our courts and Congress must not allow another collusive sue-and-settle lawsuit – or a new regime of government controls and mine closures that would drive yet another nail into the coffin of western state and local economies … and cleanup efforts.

Gold King presents a teachable moment. Let’s make sure we learn the correct lessons.

Paul Driessen is senior policy analyst for the Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow, author of Eco-Imperialism: Green power – Black death, and coauthor of Cracking Big Green: Saving the world from the Save-the-Earth money machine.

* It appears that EPA deleted its entire photo album, so that people can no longer view them. We are trying to find a citizen archive of the images and will link to it, if possible. Again we have “the most transparent administration in history” (quoting President Obama) at your service.

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Paul Westhaver
August 18, 2015 6:06 pm

Anthony and Paul, you guys are spooky good. 191 photos? Holy cow! And I bet you have a copy of everyone of them. I promise not to cross YOU guys.

Reply to  Paul Westhaver
August 18, 2015 7:32 pm

Paul, your hero the social anthro-apologist actually thinks that she has a solution. She actually thinks.

Reply to  Paul Westhaver
August 18, 2015 9:11 pm

Whoa! Indebted to Anthony for including my screencapture of that pair of photos from EPA’s page with Paul Driessen’s report. As Paul was partway through writing his article, which has also appeared at other sites over the weekend such as TownHall, I figured it would be a good idea to see if an archive link could be made to preserve all the photos. While this one I created on 8/12 https://archive.is/iDLpb initially worked (or seemed to, anyway), now it only shows the first of 32 pages and 5 of the 191 photos. But at least it proves they were all there.

toorightmate
Reply to  Paul Westhaver
August 18, 2015 10:24 pm

They have been archived with Hillary’s emails – for safe-keeping.

pete j
Reply to  toorightmate
August 19, 2015 8:46 am

Together with copies of Obama’s real birth certificate, college transcripts and SS number; Hillary’s cattle trading records and the missing Rose law firm files …

climatereason
Editor
Reply to  Paul Westhaver
August 18, 2015 11:51 pm

Early on you say;
“What could have rendered all those photos, which were previously labeled “Security Level: Public“, as now not for public viewing?”
Why not ask someone at the EPA why they have disappeared? Knowing the reason will help to debate the answer better.
tonyb

Barbara Skolaut
Reply to  climatereason
August 19, 2015 10:10 am

Do you think they’ll actually ANSWER? Or, if they do, tell the truth?
That’s cute.

Ben of Houston
Reply to  climatereason
August 19, 2015 12:52 pm

Not even the TCEQ can get straight answers out of the EPA. They have taken literally years to respond to basic queries on my part. Good luck

Auto
Reply to  climatereason
August 19, 2015 12:59 pm

Barbara
+ quite a lot!
I do not assume that – tonyb – the Climateguy’s comment was naivety; he has too many bonus points in my recollection.
So – a wonderful one-two!
Enjoyed!
Auto

FlameCCT
Reply to  climatereason
August 19, 2015 1:50 pm

Hey Tony,
I’m sure the Obama Administration will get on that request; right after Lois Lerner’s emails and Sec.St. Clinton’s emails.

Reply to  climatereason
August 19, 2015 2:50 pm

They are now classified as CYA restricted documents.

average joe
Reply to  climatereason
August 19, 2015 7:30 pm

Trump could de-claw the epa on his first day in office – I’d vote for him on that promise alone. Instill a new administrator that would rescind the declaration of CO2 to be a pollutant.

TeeWee
August 18, 2015 6:26 pm

Did the EPA or their agents have permission from the land owner to set foot on this property? Did they have a warrant from the Court to begin work on that private property? What legal aithority does the EPA or their agents have to even take this type of action? What was their plan, did they have an emergency plan in case of unexpected events? Are the persons in charge of this disaster still employed bunthe EPA or the govern,ent? Will the US Justice Department investigate and being charges against those responsible? We should demand Congress hold hearings.

temp
Reply to  TeeWee
August 18, 2015 6:53 pm

From another news piece the owner has stated that the EPA was going to fine him $25,000 per day if he didn’t grant access.
http://www.independentsentinel.com/gold-king-mine-owner-epa-incompetents-forced-their-way-on-to-his-property/
One of the many pieces about it… its a very typical tactic used by all .gov groups. Threaten or just straight start fining, force the person to spent millions to hire lawyers and go to court, drag the case out until the person is out of money, take what they want. Mann is using a very similar tactic against styen with .gov support.

Reply to  TeeWee
August 18, 2015 8:08 pm

“Did they have a warrant from the Court to begin work on that private property?”
No such thing as private property to communists.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Mark and two Cats
August 18, 2015 10:24 pm

“You didn’t build that.” –Karl Marx

Barbara Skolaut
Reply to  Mark and two Cats
August 19, 2015 10:12 am

“No such thing as private property to communists.”
Except their own, of course.

george e. smith
Reply to  TeeWee
August 18, 2015 8:44 pm

Don’t you know that pond of mine tailings was a designated wetland by the EPA.

jimmyjoe
Reply to  TeeWee
August 18, 2015 10:44 pm

Do you imagine that they conducted an Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) and got it approved before starting any work?

jeanparisot
Reply to  jimmyjoe
August 18, 2015 11:28 pm

Probably backdating that right now.

BFL
August 18, 2015 6:45 pm

Could be just typical government arrogance combined with typical incompetence. Might have been the same result had they contracted it to the lowest cost bidder (typical government rule) with typical lack of effective oversight. Explains why we typically get substandard results.

deresk nee
Reply to  BFL
August 19, 2015 5:10 am

dnee-Thanks for the heads up ! they can’t run a lemonaid stand without our money!

Reply to  BFL
August 19, 2015 8:36 am

As a just-former employee of the Oregon Dept. of Transportation (ODOT), and a centrist-liberal (on many social issues), I take a lot of exception to blanket negative statements about government and civil servants. ODOT struggled (and struggles) against the same anti-government attitudes as all departments, of course, but the incompetence I saw was nearly always on the part of the contractors, made all the more problematic by the way the Right has forced lowest-bidder contracts, design-bid-build programs (govt can say Yea or Nay, but not otherwise get involved). Google “Pioneer Mountain to Eddyville”, which was supposed to be the last major new freeway project in Oregon for the foreseeable future. What a predictable private-sector disaster this has become!
On he other hand, the Department of Administrative Services (DAS)–my word, I keep expecting someone to expand that acronym with German or Russian words, Newspeak scary ones. Can’t say enough bad about that organization, and, of course, it behaves exactly like the EPA with respect to other departments here in Oregon. Between the silly* legislature and DAS, many of Oregon’s once-illustrious public-sector programs (such as transportation) have become the province of the well-oiled palm.
I don’t mean to assert that there is no incompetence (or worse) among civil servants–they are fully human–but it isn’t they, typically, of whom you rant, but, rather, the policy-setters. And the civil servants I worked with [insert note about sample bias here] were typically among the most competent workers I have had the pleasure to work with.
I think that if I have a point (says the rambler), it might be that because of several social factors, the evolving model by which modern governmental bodies are forced to do business has, in itself, the result that most of the population, inside and outside government, never really has a say in how business is conducted. Let’s rail against specific examples of incompetence, by all means, because it is not only our right, but our duty; all I am asking is to make sure we focus it. As many of my liberal friends will point out, the past successes of the EPA (and the entire country under it!) will stand in the history books, but right now, the overreach is causing people to want EPA abolished, the manifest good along with the obvious bad. How about we craft new laws that put meaningful oversight back in the hands of Congress, and let Congress say “No” when it should. How about we put actual Constitutional lawyers and scholars into the courts; how about we hold everyone to the same legal standards, in and out of government, and reserve “sovereign immunity” to the POTUS and members of Congress, etc., as required by the Constitution, and during their term in office only. For example, the deeds in Silverton should, I am sure we all agree, be actionable under ordinary law. And while “we” are at it (armchair legislator?), why do we not enforce, where appropriate, the “truth in advertising” laws to all advertising including propaganda.
* The legislature here in Oregon, as in surrounding states, can’t decide what it is, but I suspect most members of both houses think they are attending a high-school “model U.N.”, where, of course, everything is theoretical and therefore harmless. I’ve replaced the perennial question “What were they thinking?” with “What? Were they thinking?”

Michael Jankowski
Reply to  Don Newkirk
August 19, 2015 10:04 am

The “right” forces taking low-bidders and using design-bid-build contracts? Really?
This sounds more like an on-call contract based on RFQ selection and negotiated rates. But in any case…even in a low-bid acceptance setting, the low-bidder can be dismissed from the selection process based on past performance, lawsuits, etc. There is no mandate on using bad contractors.

Reply to  Don Newkirk
August 19, 2015 12:34 pm

The substantial difference that we must never forget is that government is vested with the power to coerce using deadly force, something we never give to any private contractor. And when government digs its heals in on an issue, it has all the financial resources of sovereignty and the tax base to bring to the court battle. And because of this government employees sometimes act like the gods and think they have the moral high ground no matter how wrong they may be.

rw
Reply to  Don Newkirk
August 19, 2015 1:07 pm

How about we stop characterizing CO2 as a dangerous chemical. Or do you believe this is the hottest year on record?

TeeWes
Reply to  Don Newkirk
August 19, 2015 2:18 pm

Aaaaahaaaa! A man from the DOT. Should we talk about how state gasoline tax and federal HTF money is being frittered away on bike and hike trails, snowmobile trails and research on hovercraft, or on bus shelters and storage and or law enforcement pvertime holiday encorcement, rather than building and repairing streets, roads, highways and bridges? The gasoline tax money is being wasted on non road projecs. Yeah…this is a little off topic but you started It.

MarkW
Reply to  Don Newkirk
August 19, 2015 3:49 pm

I really love the way the govt apologist actually thinks that the govt shouldn’t hire the lowest priced qualified bidder.
Then again, the govt isn’t spending his money.

jim fisher
Reply to  Don Newkirk
August 31, 2015 3:21 pm

I can’t help but to agree with you. I work with regulators every day, and individually they are some of the most dedicated people I know. Handcuffed by the administration and institutions they work for.

Reply to  BFL
August 19, 2015 11:03 am

I was wondering when WUWT was gonna get around to this story. As usual, this site goes at it from a completely different – and as yet uncovered – angle.
Government, any government, has now become unspeakably bad at public works.
http://dragineez.com:8774/HalethorpeDebacle.html
I’m taking pictures to this very day further documenting the incompetence. Literally 3 years into a 1 year project, and it’s still not done. But it’s the lack of concern about the negative impact this has on those who use or are serviced by these works that really appalls me. Same with the Gold King mine. I’ll bet there was a local telling them “You know, this might not be a good idea.”

petelj
Reply to  BFL
August 19, 2015 3:35 pm

Incompetence and corruption are far too common throughout government. Just look at (Cat 3) Hurricane Katrina, which a court has found the Army Corp of Engineers’ levee to be the costliest/worst civil engineering disaster of all time but is not liable for damages due to sovereign immunity.
Or, how about “super storm” Sandy, which wasn’t even considered a hurricane when it hit land, was made more costly due to government subsidized flood insurance for beach front homes, building on filled in wetlands and making no provision to prevent the subway tunnel system that ran under the East River from flooding, despite higher historical storm surges.

Tom J
August 18, 2015 6:48 pm

It must’ve been Hillary Clinton that ‘accidentally’ erased those pictures. If not, then it was possibly a movie maker in California who was violating his parole with an Internet movie production. Somehow that caused it. Or, maybe it was a coal train of death that broke through the dam and then carried away the pictures.
I know, it was an insufficient budget that caused all of this.

empiresentry
Reply to  Tom J
August 18, 2015 8:49 pm

Another one: Right wing conspiracy and entrapment, “old news”, “what does it matter now?”, “the shutdown made them do it”. I also notice the snark lofo trolls have gone underground with this and Clinton.
Will Jimmy Buffett and his circle of musicians do another protest?
Will he protest the oil floating on water or will he ignore the heavy metals that will be entrenched in the sand and sediment for the next 15 years?
Will EPA allow for suctioning of sand and sediment to rinse, filter and return it?
Or will EPA claim this is contaminating the stream water just like they do to keep people from filtering sand for gold flakes.
Perhaps EPA will be allowed to respond to this man-made disaster instead of being told to wait ….like the EPA and Coast guard were told to during the BP release. How fortunate the Obama EPA waited until the oil hit the shores when they could claim maximum damages and bill 3 times the amount. Once the states began their action on the shores, Oblunder could not sit idle any more.
Under Clean Water Act notifications had to be made within 24 hours and the response from the command includes notification of all municipalities and water intake points downstream. A review of the National Response Center records doesn’t show anything from EPA or the contractor on that date. On 8-10-15, there is a report from EPA. (http://www.nrc.uscg.mil/). Nothing on other reporting sites.

jonesingforozone
August 18, 2015 6:51 pm

Federal web sites should be compelled to allow archiving by the Internet Archive on demand.
This is a copy of the robots.txt file on the http://www.epaosc.org server:

# go away
User-agent: *
Disallow: /

CodeTech
Reply to  jonesingforozone
August 18, 2015 8:19 pm

Cool – a 20 year old web site.
My, how we’ve progressed!

empiresentry
Reply to  jonesingforozone
August 18, 2015 8:50 pm

wow. just wow.

August 18, 2015 6:55 pm

IS this an EPA site?
http://www.epaosc.org
Friends of EPA, no doubt, but It doesn’t look official.
But what is the cross linking between epaosc.org and epa.gov?
And why does it not allow internet archive robots?

Reply to  Stephen Rasey
August 18, 2015 7:54 pm

This is a warning box on the epaosc.ORG login page.
https://www.epaosc.org/site/login.aspx?ReturnURL=%2fsite%2fregionmap.aspx%3f

In processing and accessing U.S. Government information and information systems, you acknowledge that you fully understand and consent to all of the following: 1) you are accessing U.S. Government information and information systems that are provided for official U.S. Government purposes only; 2) unauthorized access to or unauthorized use of U.S. Government information or information systems is subject to criminal, civil, administrative or other lawful action; 3) the term U.S. Government information system includes systems operated on behalf of the U.S. Government; 4) you have no reasonable expectation of privacy regarding any communications or information used, transmitted, or stored on U.S. Government information systems; 5) at any time, the U.S. Government may for any lawful government purpose, without notice, monitor, intercept, search, and seize any authorized or unauthorized communication to or from U.S. Government information systems or information used or stored on U.S. Government information systems; 6) at any time, the U.S. Government may for any lawful government purpose, search and seize any authorized or unauthorized devices that stores U.S. Government information; 7) any communications or information used, transmitted, or stored on U.S. Government information systems may be used or disclosed for any lawful government purpose, including but not limited to, administrative purposes, penetration testing, communication security monitoring, personnel misconduct measures, law enforcement, and counterintelligence inquiries; and 8) you may not process or store classified national security information on this computer system.

It sure looks like an official government site. But doesn’t quite say it is.
You go to the Login Registration
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/08/18/epas-gross-negligence-at-gold-king-mine-includes-disappearing-191-incident-photos-from-their-website/
And it looks like anyone can register, especially with the Input fields: Title, Organization, Address, City, State, Zip, Phone and Fax number. It isn’t like it is referencing a GSA directory.

Reply to  Stephen Rasey
August 18, 2015 7:56 pm

The epaosc.org login registration link is: https://www.epaosc.org/site/register.aspx

george e. smith
Reply to  Stephen Rasey
August 18, 2015 8:47 pm

So does that apply to Hillary Clinton’s illegal private server with classified Government documents on it ??
just asking.

Reply to  Stephen Rasey
August 18, 2015 8:52 pm

Look at the SSL certificate for https://www.epaosc.org (click on the padlock icon, look at connection then certificate info details:
Country: US
State/Province: NEW JERSEY
Locality: Edison
Organization: US ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY
Organizational Unit: ENVIRONMENTAL RESPONSE TEAM
Common name: http://WWW.EPASOC.ORG
The SSL certificate was issued by Symantec, and presumably the site owners had to demonstrate their credentials to get it…

Reply to  Stephen Rasey
August 18, 2015 8:08 pm

Email rwc (at) eclipse.net is associated with ~10 domains
domreg (at) verison.com is associated with ~348 domains
Registrant Org: US Environmental Protection Agency is associated with ~9 other domains
Dates Created: on 2001-07-13 – Expires on 2016-07-13 – Updated on 2012-10-12
IP Address 54.208.107.139 – 2 other sites hosted on this server 
IP Location United States – Virginia – Ashburn – Amazon.com Inc.
ASN United States AS14618 AMAZON-AES – Amazon.com, Inc. (registered Nov 04, 2005)
The reverse lookup (via domaintools.com) for rwc (at) eclipse.net gives the following
d _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ e.org 2000-04-23 —
e _ _ _ _ c.info 2014-04-08 —
e _ _ _ _ c.net 2001-01-26 NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC.
e _ _ _ _ c.org 2001-07-13 —
e _ _ _ _ _ _ _ c.org 2004-02-25 —
e _ _ _ _ _ d.org 2014-09-15 —
e _ _ .org 1996-01-06 —
e _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ t.org 2001-01-25 —
e _ _ _ _ _ _ o.org 2001-01-25 —
j _ _ _ _ _ p.com 1998-07-07 NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC.

Reply to  Stephen Rasey
August 18, 2015 8:21 pm

I think epaosc.org is an officially unofficial FOIA-dodging website to conduct official business unofficially.
For a final coincidence the registering email is rwc
R… W… Richard Windsor ??? .
Circumstantial, not proof. But what are the odds?

Reply to  Stephen Rasey
August 18, 2015 8:52 pm

It won’t be the final coincidence, for here is another.
The domaintools.com who is “epaosc.net” lists the following Emails:

abuse (at) web.com is associated with ~9,655,082 domains
rwc (at) verison.com is associated with ~10 domains
ertsupport (at) epa.gov is associated with ~7 domains
domreg (at) verizon.com is associated with ~348 domains

The reverse lookup for ertsupport (at) epa.gov lists

e _ _ _ _ c.info 2014-04-08 --
e _ _ _ _ c.net 2001-01-26 NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC.
e _ _ _ _ _ _ _ c.org 2004-02-25 --
e _ _ .org 1996-01-06 --
e _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ t.org 2001-01-25 --
e _ _ _ _ _ _ o.org 2001-01-25 --
e _ _ _ _ _ _ r.org 2012-04-27 --

Ken
August 18, 2015 6:59 pm

Thanks for putting this up, it will help with some of my anti mining friends, I am in mining

August 18, 2015 7:01 pm
george e. smith
Reply to  dbstealey
August 18, 2015 8:50 pm

Yellow is my favorite color.
Come to think of it, that yellow and that blue monochromes, together make white light with the highest luminous efficacy of 400 lumen per watt.
Only EPA could have planned for this to happen.
g

Jer0me
Reply to  dbstealey
August 19, 2015 3:42 pm

And I have to wonder how long it would have been before this became public if there had been no discolouration. The 24 hours could have easily been 24 days…

Neo
August 18, 2015 7:14 pm

Me all know that industry personnel are busily monitoring ever statement by the EPA for the proper language to use the next time they pull a FUBAR of their own.
You will be able to see every quote start with …
“Like the EPA says …” .. or ..
“In the words of Gina McCarthy, the yada yada yada is ‘restoring itself’ “

george e. smith
Reply to  Neo
August 18, 2015 8:51 pm

Dyathink that the acidified coral reefs could be doing the same; reconstituting themselves ??
g

Bob in Castlemaine
August 18, 2015 7:22 pm

Doubtless there’s now poisonous sludge in the Animas and San Juan Rivers, but seems to me, there’s a whole lot more of the stuff at 1200 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W., Washington, DC 20460?

Auto
Reply to  Bob in Castlemaine
August 19, 2015 2:00 pm

1600 too?
Auto in England
Or have I misremembered ??

markl
August 18, 2015 7:49 pm

This administration cannot be trusted. No conspiracy theories needed. Crony politics at its’ worse. Wake up and vote.

pwl
August 18, 2015 8:15 pm

To regain some accountability of government all records must be in the public domain at all times; to ensure this happens should it come to light that the government is keeping secrets all those involved are prosecuted for violating the public trust and access to information that the people own. Also, any “secret” actions are not official government business and thus illegal. Just a thought for change. Even a watered down version of this would make a huge difference.

TeeWes
Reply to  pwl
August 19, 2015 2:40 pm

The classified and secret documents of the USA State Department were kept in a closet in a bathroom of the Secretary of State along with her towels and toilet paper. Like she said, what difference does it make?

JohnB
August 18, 2015 8:17 pm

The thing is that “the EPA” do not compensate anybody for anything. Any money paid by the EPA to fix their own bungle comes directly from the taxpayer.
They won’t be fined because that leads to the absurdity of the taxpayer taking the taxpayer to court in an attempt to get the taxpayer to pay a fine to the taxpayer. The only winners are the lawyers.
Far better to get your Congressman to have heads roll at the EPA.

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  JohnB
August 18, 2015 8:53 pm

Happens at the state level frequently — in the Great State of Washington. [The real State on the left coast.]

F. Ross
Reply to  JohnB
August 18, 2015 9:03 pm

“Far better to get your Congressman to have heads roll at the EPA.”
True, if we could only get Congress to do ANYTHING that actually would help the country and that was devoid of party politics.

Ralph
August 18, 2015 8:24 pm

I guess the epa and BO admin don’t know about the wayback machine:
https://archive.org/web/

Reply to  Ralph
August 19, 2015 5:27 am

“Page cannot be crawled or displayed due to robots.txt.”

Curious George
August 18, 2015 8:29 pm

When EPA screws up, it won’t be as toxic as EPA thought previously. The only truly toxic substance is carbon dioxide.

Editor
Reply to  Curious George
August 18, 2015 10:25 pm

EPA’s new view that these pollutants are not as toxic as previously claimed“. Of course they aren’t. The toxicity of a substance isn’t in any way dependent on its chemical components, only on its source. If the source is the EPA, it’s harmless (even EPA CO2 is completely harmless). But if the source is private industry then it’s toxic, period.

johnanother
August 18, 2015 8:35 pm

Thank you for the concise and well researched article.
I had first noticed when the Durango Hearld carried several of the EPA photos that there where many missing between the before and after. But the ones there told quite a tale. Also I noticed on the USGS stream flow data for Cement and Animas there where interesting changes in the days after the event.
One thing you seemed to have missed in the article was that a local geologist Dave Taylor (yes, I was born and raised on the Animas) predicted this exact event a week before in comments to the Silverton paper.
No non-government hydrologist would have ever signed off off on any part of this operation.
As for the 24 hr delay in reporting, a careful perusal of the photos would give most the impression that these folks where very, very busy during that time. Look at the stain levels and the fresh earth movement in in relation to the benign trickle before and after. One of my favorites, for other reasons, is the one showing a pH test strip smeared with mustard yellow test material next to it’s color metric chart. I was under the impression that it was a huge mistake to use pH test strips in any material that may stain the reactive portions of said strip.But as far as the actual pH, I’m sure someone used a properly calibrated meter or at least titrated the filtrate. Any way, it was just a really bad idea to back up acidic water, under pressure, into miles of nook and fissures in miles of rock containing the metals that every Apple Iwhatever uses.

August 18, 2015 8:45 pm

EPA asserting “sovereign immunity” ! They are not sovereign! The federal government is a creation of the states and is directed by the Constitution to be SERVENT. Time to push this pig back into it’s box….pg

KTM
August 18, 2015 9:41 pm

When a Chevron pipeline burst and spilled oil down Red Butte Creek, the government bean counters were quick to demand that money be set aside.
Our city councilman held a meeting to assure everyone that the money was going into a fund, and they would make sure Chevron paid. My sister asked them what the money was going to be spent on, and her question was met with an awkward silence. Apparently they thought it was going to be their own private slush fund, for whatever they deemed appropriate, and never thought about the actual cost of remediation when demanding money.
Over time the remediation did take place and the property owners alongside the stream are still in litigation with Chevron over additional damages to the value of their properties.
If the EPA had triggered the same spill, I’m sure they would have flown in for a quick press conference, said “OOPS!” and left our community out to dry.

jorgekafkazar
August 18, 2015 10:27 pm

The only meaningful punishment would be to cut the EPA budget by an amount necessary to cover the damages, leaving them just enough over to keep the lights on.

Felflames
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
August 19, 2015 12:09 am

You are much too kind.
I would sell the buildings vehicles they use, fire the lot of them, and take the remedial funds needed to fix this out of thier pension funds.

Scott
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
August 19, 2015 1:30 pm

Right idea, wrong monetary target. Don’t hit them in their budget, they’ll just go crying poverty to congress next year and get the money back plus interest. You can’t really punish the agency as a whole (it’s not a person) but you can punish the people involved.
Hit them directly in the personal pocketbook. Absolutely anyone involved in this incident, from the agency director on down, does not get a raise, promotion, or bonus of ANY kind for the next 5 years. Either that, or they resign and are ineligible for federal employment for the next 5 years. Any contractor involved has their contract ended and they are ineligible for any federal contract for the next 5 years.
If they decide to stay on the job, the next 5 years will NOT count towards seniority or any other metric measured by years on the job (including retirement benefits). This prevents the promotions, etc. from buffering and the person getting 5 years worth of promotions, pay grade increases, etc all at once when the 5 years is up. If they’re involved in another such incident within that time, the 5 year clock is reset.
An example:
A 10 year agency veteran is involved in a colossal clusterfrak like this. Five years from now, he’ll still be a 10 year veteran. As far as raises, promotions, bonuses, and retirement benefits are concerned, those 5 years never happened. They should consider themselves lucky they still have a job.

Nik
August 18, 2015 11:26 pm

The site also cannot be crawled by the internet archive because of robots.txt placed in the website to prevent crawling. What are they tring to hide?

climatereason
Editor
August 18, 2015 11:58 pm

As a Brit I find the general level of antipathy towards the EPA to be mystifying. In Britain we have a broadly similar body called the Environment Agency. They drop a few clangers sometimes but generally there is no particular dislike of them as they would be seen to be generally on the environments side and against those who would want to pollute or degrade it.
What’s the back story on the EPA so that I see this continuous narrative of dislike at best, hatred at worst?
tonyb

Felflames
Reply to  climatereason
August 19, 2015 12:15 am

The EPA is controlled by the white house , congress has no oversight or control.
As such, it can be used as a political weapon with not much in the way of limits.
If it exsisted in other western countries,and tried some of its more unsavoury tactics, there would likely be jail time for some of its directors.
It also has a disdain for releasing FOIA documents.

Reply to  Felflames
August 19, 2015 2:27 pm

Don’t forget sue and settle.
EPA pays off NGOs and their lawyers.
Some of the money gets kicked back to the democrats for vote buying.
John Beale and Richard Windsor got away with screwing the American people.

Mani Borshwein
Reply to  climatereason
August 19, 2015 12:45 am

This is a bit more than a clanger. Imagine the uproar if this had been done by a Mining company, it would have been on international news in 400 languages, the lead story in the Guardian for 4 weeks, we’d be hearing about all those poor old fish, riverbank animals, wildlife that drink from the rivers, the crops that are laid waste because the watering system is out of use. But no, if the authorities do it, it obviously has none of those effects.

seedy
Reply to  climatereason
August 19, 2015 2:50 am

I am both American and British and a mining engineer and deal with both the EPA in US and the EA in UK. To summarise, the EA is essentially idealistic but naive while the EPA is totally focused on assigning “financial responsibility”, for which read “blame”. This is not the first time they have screwed up in the Animas drainage – the Summitville fiasco twenty years ago was a classic. The EPA then sued, not the company involved, but the CEO personally for huge sums.
The really sad thing is that years ago the mining industry in Colorado offered to perform remediation work on old mines, particularly in the Silverton area, that predated the modern permitting and site closure practices but were essentially told “if you touch it, you become responsible”, so nothing was done. See http://www.northernminer.com/news/editorial–opinion–epa-s-bungled-summitville-cleanup–glass-houses/1000102146/

spren
Reply to  seedy
August 20, 2015 7:57 pm

You are describing one of the unintended consequences of the “Superfund” project seeking to clean up toxic sites from years ago. Anyone who could be seen as becoming a responsible party could find themselves responsible for the entire cleanup costs of the site. This really discouraged people who had many innovative ideas of possible uses for the sites.

derek nee
Reply to  climatereason
August 19, 2015 5:16 am

Stay away from us! You live in some really misguided world.Your own Gov’t is messed up when they changed from coal to nat. gas to some new style of energy!Show me how it works in your latitude.?You do realize your very far north!Wake up and freeze.

markl
Reply to  climatereason
August 19, 2015 8:56 am

limatereason commented: “What’s the back story on the EPA so that I see this continuous narrative of dislike at best, hatred at worst?”
The EPA declared CO2 a hazardous pollutant and is proceeding to shutter businesses and energy production facilities to support their edict. Can the EA change the facts of science/life to back a political mandate?

rogerthesurf
August 19, 2015 12:13 am

Governments are hard to prosecute.
We had an accident in my country in 1995 where 14 people were killed by a negligent government department. Eventually there were a few resignations but no one got prosecuted. Crown immunity of some sort it seems.
Some blamed government spending cuts but it was clearly and simply an administration that had no control over its employees or any way to check their performance.
http://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/cave-creek/
In China the top executive would have been shot, in Japan he would have committed suicide, but in the western world government employees cower but are never to blame and never would admit it.
Cheers
Roger
http://www.thedemiseofchristchurch.com

Scarface
Reply to  rogerthesurf
August 19, 2015 12:52 am

In the West they get a bonus and continue their campaign of destruction somewhere else.

August 19, 2015 12:44 am

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August 19, 2015 12:45 am

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Reply to  vukcevic
August 19, 2015 7:56 am

The above pic is a widely copied one, appearing in a Reuters article, showing the aftermath. Much of the missing EPA photos are of the day after, but there were photos of the day before and several of the flow as it began happening, and it wasn’t readily obvious to me that any large containment area had been constructed. Perhaps the method of digging out the mine entrance and the lack of preparation for any large scale containment was a damaging thing. Meanwhile, a three-pic composite I made on Aug 12 is here:comment image

DD More
Reply to  Russell Cook (@questionAGW)
August 19, 2015 10:48 am

You can tell the leaning of many reporters by the words they use.
As the Animas River begins to recede it reveals a sludge left behind just north of Durango Colo., on Friday, Aug. 7, 2015, from the Gold King Mine spillage that happened on Wednesday north of Silverton Colo. (Jerry McBride/The Durango Herald via AP)comment image&w=480
The whole point of the project was to make Colorado’s water safer.
Instead, while working to clean a mine in the San Juan mountains last Wednesday, workers with the Environmental Protection Agency unintentionally made the problem worse. A plug at the Gold King Mine site failed, the mine’s owners told the Denver Post, releasing three million gallons of toxic yellow sludge into Colorado’s waterways. By Sunday night the plume had reached Farmington, N.M., more than 100 miles to the south.
http://mmc-news.com/news-what-the-epa-was-doing-when-it-sent-yellow-sludge-spilling-into-a-colorado-creek-86970.dbv
Yes dirt/rock ‘Plugs’ tend to FAIL when you dig them up with a backhoe.

Scarface
August 19, 2015 12:48 am

Scorched earth policy.