From the “weepy Bill McKibben” department.
Climate alarmists were out rattling their doomsday sandwich boards again, repeating their absurd claim that a few degrees of warming, even if it occurs, may wipe out the human race.
According to the Washington Post;
What it’s like when your job is to predict the end of humanity
As recently as 2009, Camille Parmesan had a career that most scientists can only dream of.
That year, the University of Texas professor was named one of Atlantic Monthly’s 27 “Brave Thinkers” for her efforts to save species whose habitats are threatened by climate change.
The distinction — which placed Parmesan on a list alongside Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg and Barack Obama — arrived two years after she shared a Nobel Peace Prize with Al Gore for serving as a lead author of the Third Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).
Camille Parmesan. (Plymouth University) Camille Parmesan. (Plymouth University)
But beneath the acclaim, Parmesan recalls, her work left her “professionally depressed” and panicked — so much so that she eventually abandoned her life in the United States for a new one on the other side of the Atlantic, according to the environmental news website Grist.
“To be honest, I panicked 15 years ago — that was when the first studies came out showing that Arctic tundras were shifting from being a net sink to being a net source of CO2,” she told Esquire’s John H. Richardson for a recent piece about the emotional toll of climate science. “That along with the fact this butterfly I was studying shifted its entire range across half a continent — I said this is big, this is big. Everything since then has just confirmed it.”
If you make it past Parmesan’s sharing of her angst, without losing your lunch, and through the middle of the article, the final obstacle to your digestive equilibrium is an appearance by Nobel Laureate Michael Mann, who provides readers with a detailed description of his personal multiple climate nightmares and depressive breakdowns.
Mann and Parmesan probably hope that baring their souls to the world will stir feelings of empathy, amongst people who haven’t warmed to their science. However I suspect that repeatedly revealing in depth, just how alien and strange the leaders of the climate alarmist movement are, will have the opposite effect to what they intend. People who can’t enjoy a pleasant sunny day, without experiencing intense depression, are in a mental state pretty far removed from what I think most people would consider “normal”.
Note: Parmesan might also be depressed because her work claiming extinction of the Edith’s Checkerspot butterfly was found to be horribly wrong.
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This goes right along with the nonsense in this report just released by the G-7. http://www.newclimateforpeace.org/#report-top
Climate Change as the excuse for taxation without end and even further governmental control over the economy.
Not just the economy.
That’s why in 2005 the UN moved to make sure that the term sustainable applied to society, culture, the economy–everything.
They even have a term for the shift-the Great Transition that they are working on with the OECD. It comes out in the education work I track and then describe once I dig far enough. Now it all just rains via emails from the various involved entities. All at taxpayer expense with usually tax-free salaries and amazingly generous benefits.
The introduction to the G7 alarmist document reads:
‘Climate change is a global threat to security in the 21st century. It will stress the world’s economic, social, and political systems. Where institutions and governments are unable to manage the stress or absorb the shocks of a changing climate, the risks to the stability of states and societies will increase.’
‘Islamic extremism’ could just as well be substituted for climate change in this statement, but that is a real threat and therefore far too difficult to deal with, so the politicians concentrate on saving us from the bogeyman of climate change.
It’s a putsch, expected to be consummated in Paris. Someone forgot to invite Gaia.
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Heh, and ‘sustainable’ as commonly understood and expected to be realized, is cripplingly sclerotic.
Oooh, the ‘smart’ end of the whip.
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Camille Parmesan it’s time for a reboot and try some real Brave Thinking.
To be honest, I panicked when cream of the crop, dreamy scientist Camille Parmesan panicked 15 years ago. Camille has the Global warming grant money, the paid lecture tours and the whirlwind lifestyle of traveling to a 100s of different climate symposiums /climate conferences’ all 1st class on the taxpayers dime. Surely they must have helped to ease the pain. the anxiety, the drudgery of life in the fast lane?. Has the Pause secretly given you time to Pause or give 2nd thoughts to your terrifying belief system, hasn’t the money and lifestyle become the real driving force. Camille you are a victim of your own forced feed back looper friend, get out and meet normal people! I dare you!!!!!!
PS. Camille do you pay indulgences (maybe to the Pope of climate, or to Al Gore’s failed Carbon trading fiasco) or buy carbon credits from the Carbon mafioso ( In the crooked Carbon credit fraud trading market, does it assuage your carbon burning lifestyle????
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Robin
July 14, 2015 at 10:36 am
That’s why in 2005 the UN moved to make sure that the term sustainable applied to society, culture, the economy–everything……”””””
So Robin, when you say the United Nations moved, does that mean that the local population went extinct, or did they just go uphill and north to a different part of Geneva.
When I was in Geneva in March 2014, I used to see electric trains go by all the time, taking the “Nations ” Route. On one trip in the area, the train I was on actually passed by what seemed to be the United Nations buildings, and there was some sort of riot or demonstration going on in the streets.
Maybe they were demonstrating against the UN moving to somewhere else.
So I don’t know where they moved to, but I can see that it would affect the local economies of both the old and the new locations.
I sure wish they would move out of New York.
Anyway, there are no San Francisco Bay coyotes in my neighborhood any more so I guess they must have gone extinct. Well its possible that they just got old and died.
This butterfly duo certainly seem to be a couple of real Bobby dazzlers.
I don’t have any dandelions in my lawn any more so I never see butterflies on my lawn. But they probably just moved to my daughter’s place, because you have never ever seen such a dandelion filled lawn as the one my daughter has.
I bet I could pick 1,000 dandelion flowers on her front lawn today; and her lawn is no bigger than mine.
Butterflies aren’t stupid. They go were the flowers are, and when people put Roundup on their dandelions, then the butterflies go to someone else’s garden, and look for flowers there. They can fly, so they don’t really care if it is uphill or downhill; they can still get there.
I tend to agree with those who say that this woman needs to see a psychiatrist.
Ricky Ricardo used to call them Pee-sick-ee-uh-trists, with the accent on the ‘sick’.
You have to be sick, to get your jollies sitting and listening to other people’s most private fears and phobias; and taking their money to do it. And why would you offer them any kind of relief, which will just stop them coming to you to waste even more money.
But I would still like to know just where the UN moved to.
g
No respiration without taxation!! I think that’s what they’re after.
The AGW “Chicken-Little’s” are becoming neurotic wrecks.
‘Camille Parmesan’ did NOT win any part of a Nobel Peace Prize!
It is a shame that the author couldn’t bother to do any fact checking, especially since this fact is easily checked.
Ms. Parmesan’s paper (correspondence that got published and utilized by the IPCC) was found, subsequently to be wrong. The ‘Edith’s Checkerspot butterfly’ is not in danger of extinction from ‘climate change’ nor are the butterflies extinct in the areas she based her paper on. Camille Parmesan chose to misinterpret locale changes as the plant growth matures, and instead claimed climate change was the cause.
What Ms. Parmesan, Mr. Mann and the others need is visits to therapists; not to go weeping about their failures to gullible newspaper authors.
Heads up to – ATedK
No respiration without taxation!! I think that’s what they’re after.
They have it already. Including the ground you walk on and the air you breathe.
+1
Climate change is the equivalent to the wars of 1984 or was it brave new world, the reason for the taxes and angst.
Climate Change is now the excuse du jour for pre existing mental conditions it seems.
Lets face it, ‘Climate Science’ simply attracts catastrophists, narcissists looking for a flag to wave and professional whingers. It used to be religion was the reservoir from which a ‘end of days’ scare campaign would draw its sustenance, now its pasteurised, homogonised pseudo psyience with added permeate. It really belongs in a category with ‘creation science’.
Chill
I dunno about climate science being on par with creation science, after all the Big Bang is Creation and the universe isn’t eternal so I think climate science is on a much lower rung on the ladder of believability
Bryan A says ” and the universe isn’t eternal ”
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I don’t think you can make that statement logically.
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I also don’t think you can provide evidence of it either.
Joel,
Do you believe that the current universe started with the Big bang and is currently expanding from an unspecified point in 4d space/time?
Do you believe that the Universe is Constant, always has been, always will be, eternal?
Expanding, not expanding?
Or do you prefer to be undeclared?
Forgot
Finite or infinite?
They are right about the danger, but miss the point entirely. The real danger comes from the false belief that mankind is somehow responsible for climate change which leads to the even more dangerous belief that man can ‘fix’ it by redistributing wealth under the guise of climate reparations.
Love the picture. But what is unstated is “Climate Change” – up or down is still a change. And why all the winter jackets if it is so warm?
LOL, DD. I, too noticed that some of these protesters were wearing serious jackets. OK, so maybe it was a cold day – but their attire didn’t add a lot to the credibility of their message.
However, I, too, confess to be plagued by depression. I find it thoroughly discouraging that so many (supposedly highly qualified, erudite scientists and lay AGW advocates) appear to be incapable of critical thinking.
From the Hoisted by their Own Petard department…
No need to be depressed about computer simulation predictions. From SpaceWeather.com come several amazing statements concerning computer predictions, all of which also apply to climate simulations (sadly for some).
“According to a double-dynamo model advanced by researchers at Northumbria University, solar activity could drop by 60% in the 2030s, mimicking conditions during the Little Ice Age of the 17th century. A widely copied quote-fragment from lead researcher Valentina Zharkova notes that “…we found that our predictions showed an accuracy of 97%.” In fact, the model has never successfully predicted any future solar activity. So far it has only been used to “predict” solar cycles from 1976 to 2008. Almost any model can be fine-tuned to match the past. As forecasting tools, previous dynamo models have failed spectacularly. The double-dynamo model of Zharkova et al may yet prove to be correct, but until it passes the test of correctly predicting future solar activity, there is no reason to worry about an historic decline in sunspots, much less an Ice Age.”
Yes, I caught that one too. The model prediction may well be 97%, but the announcement is, how shall we say, , premature.
Sorry everybody, I can not resist. Form the article:
So this is the way forward. We do not win this fight with data, analysis, and reason. We just criticize them until we drive them crazy or they move to Europe. Either way, it is a Big Win.
YES!
Not for Europe it isn’t!
I don’t know. It would be hard to pick the loonies out from the crowd over there.
One can only assume that they’ve always been mentally ill.
Professor of Meteorology
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so he teaches weather not climate.
Actually, I’m pretty sure he teaches divination.
Tree rings… tea leaves… it’s all the same when only one of The Chosen is qualified to read them.
Is it not “tree ring”, rather than “tree rings”?
Hear-tell he only studied the one tree.
I echo Old ‘un.
Enough folk moving to Europe.
Many are very willing to work in wealth-creating industries [fewer of those, though, since the Teuro].
Much competition from Nobel Laureates [those in Europe when we (yes, we all) won the Nobel thingummy for being European, I think] – never mind the industrious millions who have joined us since.
Still, the City of London continues to need staff – like – Assistant Ranger Coulsdon Common (Fixed Term 18 Months) – on about £20,000 per year – but I don’t know if the Mann-made guy is ready for that.
Auto
+100, but B. Sanders needs to lead the parade. Maybe we can convince them they walk on water for the trip?!?
If we have another Little Ice Age, “walking on water” will happen more frequently!
Globull worming heat is a special heat, you have to believe in it to feel it ( like magic, voodoo & all religious claptrap ) . But you’d think the sandwich-board man would be in shorts & a sun hat !!
He doused himself in sun screen before heading out, you dont want that ugly vitamin D production going on when everybody is watching! better to take a a pill every day, at least you know what’s in it, never know what else is in those sun rays……
How pathetic….
I feel the Climate Liar’s pain. Oh wait, I don’t.
They spawn an entire subset of emotional nitwits who populate places like the Climate Council’s facebook page…while banning anyone who dares say “SNAPOUDAVIT”….
97% of climate scientists
Suffering from stress,
That’s settled, it’s a consensus,
Well more or less!
Please leave link to all the rest of your good stuff.
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Kim thanks for the comment
It was most kind;
Here’s where the rest of my stuff
You can find:
http://rhymeafterrhyme.net/
Climate alarmists always remind me of Big Foot hunters. See that broken branch? A Big Foot did that. See that storm? Climate change did that. Of course when you look at the advanced climate station temperature data there has been no warming in the contiguous US in the last ten years. Or when you examine the satellite global temperature data there has been no global warming for over 18 years.
“shared a Nobel Peace Prize with Al Gore”
Really?
They have apparently confused IPCC TAR with IPCC AR4. Dr. Christy was also a lead author (a section chief,in fact) of IPCC TAR, come to think of it.
At the current Plymouth U website, you see Ms Parmesan NOT listed as a Nobel prize winner ( https://www1.plymouth.ac.uk/150/highlights/lectures/Pages/Camille-Parmesan.aspx ). At this screencapture ( http://gelbspanfiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Camille-Parmesan-Nobel-winner-103014-1024×755.jpg ), you do. There is a reason why that label disappeared. http://fakenobellaureates.com/how-you-can-help/comment-page-1/#comment-964
The neurotic always needs something to fear. Climate alarmism provides a basic need for the neurotic. So, let us please not knock it. OK? Help the neurotic, proclaim the dangers of climate change!
Life is tough for emo-scientists.
Methinks they do enjoy being martyrs for “the Cause”.
The virtue signalling is very strong with the true believers.
Even when they aren’t, they keep telling each other how much their caring has caused them to suffer.
If you are given to weather-related depression, leaving Texas for England seems like a peculiar choice.
Michael
In England we get Lows – and Highs!
And a lot else – in most 24 hour periods.
That’s why weather forecasting here is – for more than about 48 hours ahead, even today, with the Good Dame Ella Gloom-bucks’ new hyper-computing toys – very little different from astrology with numbers, although they do get on TV.
Auto
When you do get your Highs, do you inhale, or do you imbibe?
They should be more worries about their jobs……they may be assimilated like some others …..
Whinebots would not be hard to make 😉
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2015/07/us-navy-to-3-d-print-ships-brick-laying.html
Parmesan says, “That along with the fact this butterfly I was studying shifted its entire range across half a continent — I said this is big, this is big. Everything since then has just confirmed it.”
And then there is the Kudzu expanding its range
http://www.jjanthony.com/kudzu/images/cabin.jpg
The destruction of soybean plants by the bean plataspid or kudzu bug
The cane toad in Australia,
and this Tamarisk Beetle
http://www.lvwash.org/assets/images/help_explore_beetle.jpg
Tamarisk Beetle
“With documented populations now ranging from Chihuahua, Mexico to California, and up into Oregon, Idaho, Wyoming, and Kansas, the tamarisk beetle (Diorhabda spp.) has quickly become a part of many riparian ecosystems in the West. The efficacy of the beetle, which damages tamarisk through repeated leaf defoliation, is apparent across portions of many western states and parts of northern Mexico, where large areas of beetle affected tamarisk can be observed.
The beetle was released over a decade ago by the U.S. Department of Agriculture in an attempt to manage tamarisk. Since then, the beetles quickly expanded their range.”
These all have anthropogenic causes for their spread and subsequent depredation: Government introduction programs.
it is truly amazing how selective global warming is in its effects. truly amazing:
global warming only kills “good” insects.
global warming helps “bad” insects thrive.
for example: butterflies and honey bees – killed by global warming. mosquitoes and flies – spread by global warming.
Yes, it’s almost as if they carefully select information so that…hey!
Unfortunately, it spreads yuppies, too.
Well, there’s a kind of Maxwellian demon involved in all of this. (But they only mention it in an appendix.)
Zeke– The concept of a static climate, or static universe for that matter, is an impossibility. Earth’s climate has ALWAYS been changing and will continue to do so.
Without question, global cooling is what humans must fear, not warming…. The Earth has been cooling steadily for the past 8,000 years since the Holocene Maximum… Humans didn’t cause the warming then, nor during the numerous warming periods since, which occur roughly every 1,000 years…
From all empirical evidence, the Medieval Warming Period 1,000 years ago was roughly 2C warmer than now. There were no climatic “depredations” back then, conversely, the MWP was an era of record crop yields for the ear, relatively rapid population growth and relatively fast economic growth….
The empirical evidence shows the increase in CO2 from 280ppm to 400ppm has perhaps contributed around 0.2C out of the 0.85C total global warming since the end of the LITTLE ICE AGE in 1850… Who cares? LITTLE ICE AGES are not good for the environment; cold kills. We should be ecstatic global temps have recovered since the LITTLE ICE AGE…
Let’s continue to address REAL problems of REAL manmade pollutants, as we are doing:
http://www.epa.gov/airtrends/aqtrends.html
Let’s forget about wasting $10’s of trillions trying to reduce manmade CO2 emissions, which only have a tiny warming effect and huge benefits in increasing crop yields and forest growth (roughly 25% increase since the 1950’s). Burning cheap fossil fuels has been a HUGE boon to improving people’s lives and standards of living. To deprive men of fossil fuels will result in the death of 10’s if not 100’s of millions of people, which is morally reprehensible.
Wind and solar energy are awfully expensive, insufficient and inefficient ways to generate energy and a complete waste of capital. Let’s wait until cheaper and cleaner forms of energy are developed and stop needlessly flushing $trillions down the toilet on failed uncompetitive energy for no reason whatsoever.
China’s first Thorium Molten Salt reactor goes on line THIS YEAR and they expect to have a commercial MSR design ready for worldwide rollout by 2023….
Can’t you just wait a few more years, Zeke? Need I remind you that there hasn’t been a global warming trend in 19 years, despite 30% of all manmade CO2 emissions since 1750 being made over just the last 19 years….
Jeez, Zeek…
Just this week the US government imposed a 240% tariff on solar panels from China! So much for ‘making solar energy cheaper’.
If China solar panels are too expensive and need to be subsidized; and US solar panels can’t compete with China panels pricewise, then why does anyone believe they will ever be cost competitive.
The Gummint is jacking up the price of China panels with tariffs, and then robbing US taxpayers to subsidize those peple who don’t mind swilling at the public trough for their fetishes.
@SAMURAI
Thank you for your remarks and link.
I was pointing out that those weeds and pests had been introduced in the US and Oz through government programs. That is what I meant by “anthropogenic” causes. Perhaps there is a book in this subject for someone.
I apologize for not being more clear.
Here is my current Most Hated Invasive Insect:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhynchophorus_ferrugineus
The destruction to beautiful old palms lining streets and in gardens is terrible, besides crop palms.
I have one as a paperweight. He’s #20 of large wicked insects.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31-c2uVYENL.jpg
This blighter is truly destructive of millions of acres.
Asian Long Horned Beetle
http://www.nyis.info/user_uploads/images/AsianLongHornedBeetle_Coin_ExitHole.jpg
They also kill citrus trees.
http://images.linnlive.com/f224e446a9097079383819a880fe7088/c96d7b8f-2a88-42df-b52f-73ffadb24c6e.jpg
“Each female citrus long-horned beetle can make up to 200 eggs after mating, and each egg is separately deposited in tree bark. After the beetle larvae hatches, it chews into the tree, forming a tunnel that is then used as a place for beetle pupation (the process of growing from larvae to adult). From egg-laying to pupation and adult emergence can take twelve to eighteen months.
Infestations by the beetle can kill many different types of hardwood trees as well as citrus trees, pecan, apple, Australian pine, hibiscus, sycamore, willow, pear, mulberry, pigeon pea, Chinaberry, poplar, litchi, kumquat, Japanese red cedar, oak, and Ficus.”
Scary, these bugs are, huh?
Here is what we should be spending time and money on…fighting actual problems.
Bless their little hearts. Perhaps all future grants should include lifetime mental benefits at the Dr. Kevorkian Mental Health Institute.
Probably they are all depressed because they realise that the gravy train is about to dry up.
Surely it’s getting wetter . . .
Ummmm . . .
Oh! Sorry1
The Gravy Train will dry up . . . Ohhhhhh – I do so fervently hope so . . .
Auto – with suddenly high hopes of andrewm’s computer model!
At least Parmesan has all that cheese to fall back on.
Hey, I thought that after Bill McKibben took the time to sit down and talk with Anthony that it was time to drop the “weepy.” He may get emotional about stuff but based on Anthony’s account it was a genuine and classy move.
Mark, you beat me to it by half an hour. I was hoping we could drop that particular
jab in the interest of civility.
Otherwise have to agree with this post.
I also agree with the post. Anyone that believes they’re making a big sacrifice as salaried faculty at a research university should be publicly mocked and sent to the gulag for re-programming.
I was thinking about that also. But then how do we refer to Bill M?
The entity formerly known as weepy Bill M?
How does one abandon their life in the US while working at University of Texas, Austin since 2000?
UT Austin is not part of the U.S.
Mike in Houston
Today we leave for Kingston, Ontario to present testimony to the Queen’s University investment people who have been challenged by 350.org to divest themselves of all fossil fuel related holdings, including investment funds that have anything to do with fossil fuel holdings.
The mere mention above of 350.org above provokes a response:
Unlike the foolish shepherd in Aesop’s fairy tale, 350.org works on the thesis that if they can get everyone to cry wolf, the wolf is real because almost everyone thinks it is. They vilify people who do not cry “Wolf” with them as ‘misled’ and ‘wolf-deniers’.
They particularly target audiences like high school children who do not know what a wolf looks like. 350.org then defines every ordinary thing around them as ‘wolf’, ‘wolf in sheep’s clothing’ or ‘invisible, powerful wolf coming back to bite you’. They conduct wolf-spotting classes and promote wolf-protection schemes then solicit funds to conduct more of them.
When no wolves can be found they will proclaim their efforts a success and ask for more money to carry on their campaign at other educational institutions.
Tell your investment people that selling oil company interests after oil has fallen from $120 to $50 a barrel is what the boys and girls in Houston call “locking in your losses”.
“Tell your investment people that selling oil company interests after oil has fallen from $120 to $50 a barrel is what the boys and girls in Houston call “locking in your losses”.
This is akin what the person at the brokerage house told me in June of 2001 when I was moving my elderly mother’s retirement funds from 100% stocks to tax free municipal bonds, Anyone can look up how this decision fared over the subsequent years.
When long term trends are broken, the herd will quite often bolt. Best not to be the last one holding the bag.
Which seems like a better idea, “Locking in losses” or “Sticking with your losers”?
Many so-called retail investors have a tendency to sell the stocks that have been profitable, and keeping the ones that are down. This strategy is logically flawed, and history shows it to, more often then not, be a poor choice.
Stated another way, if I was wrong to own a particular stock, why should I keep being wrong? To wait until I get back to even on that trade?
Often best to takes ones lumps and move on to greener pastures.
Locking in losses is not always a bad idea, especially if you lock them in before they become bigger if/when oil falls to $35, or if you then use losses to offset gains and hence lower one’s tax burden.
Besides, investments are best viewed in terms of the then-present situation, not where one came from or bought in.
Not advocating for(or against) divestment, but one may be well advised to consider both sides when contemplating investment decisions.
Besides all of that, it seems to me that divesting of fossil fuel related stocks means getting out of all major index funds. Which means, if one also wants to remain invested in equities, stock picking. Which is very risky.
Best speak to your Stock Option Swami about navigating those straits.
Towards 700ppm ! 🙂
Good luck with that. My alma mater is but an intellectual shell of what it was decades ago.
and birds, bees, trees and animals are thriving in cities of concrete, tarmac and glass, up to 16 degrees hotter than the surrounding countryside.
O, the humidity!
I hope that “Dr.” Mann does indeed have nightmares and breakdowns as he deserves them given all the poor who have suffered due to his scam. The “heat or eat” problem in the UK that I have read about being just one small part of the suffering due to his stupid “hockey stick”.
Jesus, Joseph, and Mary — look at the temperatures of the Holocene and see where we are headed! We are headed out of the interglacial and into a full blown ice age. (yes, I know we are in one now … but still)
I wish the CO2 delusion were real, then we would have hope of beating the coming ice age; but it is just not so.
[Please do not threaten innocent nightmares and breakdowns on Mann. It is not site policy to threaten innocents by associating them with or assigning them to climate scientists. 8<) .mod]
Mods.
I just can’t figure out why my comment went to moderation. Was it the word “sc@m”? Or was it that word along with the good Dr. in question?
~ Mark
It’s the S word.
Don’t use the f word that is similar in nature to the s word either. fr@ud.
The only thing that gives these alarmists “climate nightmares and depressive breakdowns” is when there isn’t any warming or climate disruption. Whenever there is a violent storm, a killer heatwave, or a “hottest year ever,” these people can’t hide their manic excitement. Sea ice melting in the Arctic thrills them, but sea ice expanding in the Antarctic depresses them and causes them to go into denial. They truly have a form of “bipolar” disorder. But it’s not the prospect of doom that panics them. It’s the prospect of being wrong.
‘Mann and Parmesan probably hope that baring their souls to the world will stir feelings of empathy, amongst people who haven’t warmed to their “science”.’ – fixed.
Not just the prospect, the probability of being wrong.