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I realize this is way off-topic of the usual fare for WUWT, but I’d be remiss in my duty as a patriot and an American if I didn’t at least pass it on so that it will get wide distribution. One of my Facebook friends is a police officer who I’ve learned to listen to. He passes this on to me, and I’m passing it on to you as a public service. Take caution, be aware, and don’t let these extremists ruin your 4th of July holiday.
Jeff Greeson writes:
To everyone that reads my wall, ESPECIALLY in big cities: The freakout over the 4th of July is real. I get intelligence that you don’t get, and the FBI is serious this time. Go out and be an American, but keep a charged cellphone with you, and don’t let fear of being called a racist stop you from calling [in] something in that is suspicious. And for the sake of all that’s holy, if something makes your Spidey sense tingle, GET YOUR FAMILY AWAY FROM IT.
He cites this essay from a former “spook”:
Anything But Routine, Redux
Two days ago, former Deputy CIA Director Michael Morrell said there was “nothing routine” about warnings of possible ISIS attacks in the CONUS during the 4th of July weekend.At the time, we noted it was quite unusual for a former intelligence official to be so blunt in his assessment. Mr. Morrell (who made the observation on CBS This Morning) went on to say that he “wouldn’t be surprised if we’re sitting her a week from today talking about an ISIS attack in the United States over the [July 4th] weekend.”
Now, we’re beginning to see why Morrell offered such a dire prediction. Shepard Smith of Fox News reported last night the FBI is establishing special command centers in 56 cities around the country, to prepare for possible terrorist attacks during the holiday period.
Not to be outdone, ISIS quickly posted a map, showing the locations of those command facilities. Twitter and the blogosphere quickly exploded, with some wondering how the terror group could quickly access such sensitive information. Turns out it wasn’t so hard after all; the command centers are located at FBI field offices, except those in Alaska, Hawaii and Puerto Rico. That information is readily available to anyone with internet access.
But there are more signs of mounting fears about a possible weekend attack. A federal official told Gateway Pundit that FBI agents scheduled for vacations over July 4th have been told to cancel their plans, and report for duty. The same source also reports that FBI agents are telling family and friends to avoid “official” holiday celebrations. This mirrors earlier claims that ISIS may target large community gatherings on the 4th, hoping to inflict maximum casualties.
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Good to be alert. Not like you can count on Obama to protect you….
When seconds count, police are only minutes away – at best. Forewarned is forearmed. You are your own first line of defense. The Second Amendment is your friend.
if I am lucky its 10 minutes away and thats only if local sheriff is nearby.
I self stitch wounds and got 12gage for …varmints….
The second amendment; America’s original homeland security.
The federal government has already exposed who they consider the main opposition groups that are not going to go along with their agenda:
1. “rightwing extremists”
2. “antigovernment groups”
3. critics of the “outsourcing of jobs”
4. gun control resistors
5. returning “military veterans who possess combat skills” recruited into potentially violent groups because they are “disgruntled, disillusioned, or suffering from the psychological effects of war”
6. those who believe in “antigovernment conspiracy theories related to gun confiscations, citizen detention camps, and a Jewish-controlled ‘one world government'”
7. “Anti-Semitic extremists” who “attribute these losses to a deliberate conspiracy conducted by a cabal of Jewish ‘financial elites'”
8. those who “oppose free trade agreements”
9. those “with the perception that illegal immigrants were taking away American jobs”
10. those who are antagonistic toward the new presidential administration’s issues of “immigration and citizenship, the expansion of social programs to minorities, and restrictions on firearms ownership and use”
11. those who harbor any hostility toward “federal law enforcement’s handling of the confrontations at Waco, Texas and Ruby Ridge, Idaho”
12. Constitutional militias with a “renewed participation in paramilitary training exercises”
13. those who “believe that a ‘New World Order’ would bring about a world government that would usurp the sovereignty of the United States and its Constitution, thus infringing upon their liberty”
14. those who fear “the U.S. Government’s role as either complicit in a foreign invasion or acquiescing as part of a ‘One World Government’ plan”
15. those who “bemoan the decline of U.S. stature and have recently focused on themes such as the loss of U.S. manufacturing capability to China and India” and “China’s investment in U.S. real estate and corporations”
16. And that is merely a fraction of the potential “domestic terrorist threats” in this country that are identified by the federal government as enemies of the state.
Tell me, are you on that list?
Remember what happens to people when regimes like our current leadership wants take away your guns. Just ask the 170,000,000 slaughtered in the 20th Century.
said, “When seconds count, police are only minutes away”
I called 911 a few days ago. all operators where busy for 10 minutes before a hanged up the phone. It was an emergency the emergency was already over.
Josef Stalin once said “Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas.”
An eye opener to why democrats are bombarding you with PC and want to take your guns?
So if nothing happens its Obama’s FBI being alarmist. If something does happen its because Obama’s FBI didn’t protect us.
No matter what happens, blame Obama. He’s to blame for everything. Dow rises? Obama got out of the way of the free market. Dow falls? Obama’s economic policies are ruining everything.
Something bad happens? Blame liberals. Something good happens? Gloat that liberals failed to spoil it for everyone.
The Fox News daily catechism once again arrives on WUWT and the comments get captured by the rapid-fire fake commentariat who find fault with everything and everything is somebody’s fault.
http://www.businessinsider.com/labor-force-participation-rate-falls-to-38-year-low-2015-7
Yeah. necessarily skyrocketing electric costs will do that to ya.
Of course, we can fix that by exporting the rest of our manufacturing to Brunei, a la TPP and TiSA.
Aw, c’mon, this is Bush’s fault. For a bonus, you can pick any one of three to blame, or all three if you’re feeling free.
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only an idiot assumes someone watches a specific channel.
Why’d you single out Fox and ignore CBS?
“Why’d you single out Fox and ignore CBS?”
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Because one is a news service, and the other is the cheerleader for the GOP.
John A
You are a trollin tool. Blame FOX. Blame any value of alerts.
Warmist Regards,
Well that’s the way this country works.
The POTUS gets the credit or the blame that goes with anything that happens.
Anyone who doesn’t want to wear that coat, shouldn’t run for that office.
And we could easily make a list of WUWT denizens who actually voted for the current wearer of that coat. Some even admitted to having done it twice.
So look elsewhere if you want to find somebody with an agenda. Well look in a mirror; because you clearly have one.
Why else would you attempt to derail a perfectly rational caution posting.
The snakes eat the ones that don’t either look before they leap, or jump high enough when they do.
After all, our dear friend Obama the Magnificent (tongue firmly in cheek) richly deserved to win the Nobel Peace Prize after a mere two weeks in Office. There’s obviously nothing he can’t do. Ipso facto he gets the blame for everything.
Rational people – even conservatives – don’t operate like you think they do. They consider the evidence and act and draw conclusions accordingly. Don’t let hysteria and dislike of conservatives blind you to such facts.
Puddle regulation will do that to you.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/07/02/when-epa-worries-about-regulating-puddles-it-has-gone-too-far/
Waah waah waah.
That is how you guys treated Mr. Bush.
@John A
Exactly the same was done to Bush — except that it continues to this moment. The one thing that stands out for me is that our current president, the “leader” of the free world, himself said that ISIL (ISIS) is JV (junior varsity). He just doesn’t get it. So take your liberal BS excuses and put them where the sun don’t shine.
To all my USA friends, be careful viligant and safe. I know, having grown up under the murderous threats of Irish Republican terrorists it is hard, but don’t let the filth get you down. In my little country (Ulster) of not quite 2 million souls, we lost about three thousand people to terrorists. So pretty much everybody was touched. The first IRA victim’s funeral I attended I was four years old. The last I was 24. My wife lost a school friend when his train home from school was blown up by the IRA. Another off duty soldier was shot 12 times whilst waiting for his wife to finish work. His three year old son was in the car with him, but this did not deter the terrorists.
So enjoy the celebrations, be careful but do not underestimate the depravity of the terrorist
No better answer to Obama who wishes to remove all privately held guns.
What if the object is to end the people’s celebration of 4th of July? I mean this is an important part of American culture and the leftist wants to undermine your culture? Not?
Obama needs more than ever enemies?
The same source also reports that FBI agents are telling family and friends to avoid “official” holiday celebrations
and THAT is precisely what ISIS intend, sowing fear. So they win on this.
It is also suits the purposes of the globalists. If they could do away with July 4 celebrations, they would. National fervor, together with devotion to anything other than their environmental religion, is contrary to their totalitarian agenda.
No, they want to kill infidels for the glory of Allah and the Caliphate, in hopes of making us submit to Allah. Fear is a means to that end only if you surrender.
It seems that FBI and the Government have already surrendered. If you do as they suggest you surrender too.
Are you out of your mind? Did we surrender previous wars when we used rationing? Did the UK surrender to the IRA when they got rid of trash cans in London? It is not surrender to acknowledge you are at war.
omegapaladin July 2,
The day after the underground attack in London on 7/7 the underground was back in use and people were complaining that the lines that had been bombed were not already back up and running normally.
It’s an attitude thing. Behave as you would want to, but be cautious. It can be hard to get out of the habit of checking under your car before you get into it. Is that a win?
They ain’t won yet (its two days away), sounds like you gave up ?, on us.
This will push the government closer to implementing a police state so it’s a step toward wins for Isis and for the control freAk left.
Police States are associated with right wing governments, not left wing governments, unless you are saying we are now a communist police state. And if you think we are a communist police state, you need to identify who the communists are.
Davidgmills,
I’m going to respond to your comment with an extract from a letter to the Editor that was published in today’s “The Australian” newspaper. I hope it helps you develop a deeper understanding.
“Left-wing affinities
…..The political spectrum is not linear but resembles a Mobius strip. It has only one surface and no beginning or end. This means that extreme Right and extreme Left of politics abut and are indistinguishable.
The German Nazis, considered to be right-wingers, were in fact National Socialists. Their early membership was largely ex-communist; they had socialist industrial policy and fought against German communists. Fascists are supporters of a dictatorship; that makes that left bastion, Stalinist Russia, fascist by definition. Nowadays, this hypothesis explains the affinity of our left-wingers with jihadists…..”
I hope that helps. Unfortunately, the Online edition of “The Australian” is behind a pay-wall, so there’s not much to be gained by providing the URL.
Here is the official U.S. federal government and military documentation confirming that they are erecting an extensive framework and infrastructure of internment camps in the United States, in preparation for use your imagination (terror, war, economic collapse and mass civil unrest):
In 2009 the National Emergency Centers Act (H.R. 645), was introduced in Congress, mandating the establishment of “national emergency centers” to be located on military installations for the purpose of providing “temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance to individuals and families dislocated due to an emergency or major disaster,” according to the bill. In addition to emergencies, this legislation is designed to “meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security,” an open-ended mandate which could mean just about anything they want it to mean, including the forced detention of American citizens in the event of widespread rioting after a national emergency or total economic collapse.
In February of 2010 the Internment and Resettlement Operations (FM 3-39.40) was leaked, a U.S. Army manual outlining policies for processing detainees into internment camps both globally and inside the United States. That is against the Law of Nations.
In 2009 the National Guard posted a number of job opportunities looking for Internment and Resettlement Specialists (31-E) to work in “civilian internee camps” within the United States, with the job description: “Internment/resettlement specialists are primarily responsible for day-to-day operations in a military confinement/correctional facility or detention/internment facility.”
In December of 2011 Halliburton subsidiary, Kellogg Brown & Root (KBR), a government defense contractor, issued a Project Overview of anticipated requirements in “establishing a National Quick Response Team for our current Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and U.S. Army Corps of Engineers (USACE) work,” and was specifically seeking sub-contractors to staff and outfit “emergency environment” camps located in five regions of the continental United States.
In 2006, KBR was contracted by Homeland Security for $385 million to build detention centers designed to deal with “an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S.,” or the rapid development of unspecified “new programs” that would require large numbers of people to be interned. Does that ring a bell? It should. It’s called “Immigration Reform,” and they have been planning this for a very long time.
Soon after KBR’s announcement, a little-known Army document surfaced, entitled Civilian Inmate Labor Program. The unclassified document describes in detail Army Regulation 210-35, first drafted in 1997, which underwent a “rapid act revision” in January of 2005 and now provides a policy for the creation of labor programs and prison camps aboard Army installations and other U.S. military bases.
Congressman W.G. “Bill” Hefner (D-NC) wrote a now infamous letter to Zell Setzer of Setzer Insurance and Associates, Salisbury, NC, on March 24, 1997, regarding information “pertaining to the Army’s policy and guidance for establishing civilian inmate labor program and civilian prison camps on Army installations.” Congressman Hefner confirmed to Mr. Setzer that “the program has been funded, staffed, and does not reflect current Army policy,” denoting a preconceived future agenda. That is the very definition of a secret agreement (a conspiracy between two or more people).
Under the indefinite detention provision of the National Defense Authorization Act For Fiscal Year 2011, which was signed by Barack Hussein Obama on New Year’s Eve of 2011—when most of the Congress was home on Christmas vacation—American citizens can be legally (not lawfully) kidnapped and detained indefinitely without charge or trial, and subjected to extreme rendition with no due process of law.
I wonder which member of our founding fathers could have seen these times coming. I’d say none were wearing rose colored glasses and were cautiously optimistic. It was predicted we might not be able to hold on to our God given freedoms and rights as free born individuals.
davidgmills
A police state is being built before our very eyes complete with almost absolute surveillance of our every move, work, text message, email, phone call, trip, purchase, doctor visit and CO2 molecule emitted.
Who is building it? I’d argue it started under Bush and is continuing under Obama. Don’t tell me Bush is a republican, he let a VP of socialistinternational.org get elected in Iraq after we ousted Saddam. Bush is also close friends with Tony Blair, another member of socialistinternational.org and his father, when president, said a few times on TV that we (the US) should join a new world order under the UN.
No EFFING way!
As to the left being control freaks, that is true. It is the democrat party that spews our massive amounts of regulations every year. According to my thesaurus, regulation is another word for control.
Who are the commies? Well, you can find Bill Clinton giving talks at the Party of European socialists (PES), Madeline Albright is a PES member, Jeffry Sachs is a PES member, Joseph Stiglitz, Clinton’s former ECON advisor is a member of Socialist International (SI) and along with Jeffry Sachs, has advised the Pope on climate change. Carol Brower is another SI member as is Gordon Brown. And the Pope has said that governments should redistribute wealth to the poor (which is socialism) and also gave communism a back-handed compliment.
SI states on their website that they want nothing less than world government. They work closely with the UN.
A global socialist world and government is happening right before our eyes. If you can’s see it, all I can say is, Jonathan Gruber.
I would disagree. This present danger should remind us of what we should be practicing every day. Prepared alertness, awareness and vigilance. This passed down way of living is from a long direct line of stubborn fighting Irish ancestors who fought in clan wars, the American Revolution, the Civil War, and survived the Oregon Trail dangers. In our modern society we have softened to the dangers of living in a still natural world to the point that we mistake a proper amount of vigilance for fear.
When I go fishing, I always turn around now and then and look behind me. Is that fear? Should it keep me away from the joy of fishing along a stretch of fast running water just because cougars are known to hunt there? Nope. It’s just using the good sense God gave me thanks to all those ancestors. And I kill what I shoot at.
The real meaning of “gun control”.
There are enough top level predators in NE Oregon to be worried about such things. Been trailed by Cougar myself. My worry is active arson in the dry west. There is much to be concerned about…
Gun control is a firm grip and an accurate shot.
Amen. Eagles soar, rats cower.
Following is an example of what the fear mongers have bread that a gentleman shared on another blog:
The rabid, foam-at-the-mouth Marxist Socialist Liberal Left can be very violent against people who carry.
Bought a double rifle hard case at a gun store in a mall in Corpus Christi, TX once, on the way back though the mall on the way to my truck, I stopped off for a coffee at a coffee shop. Before I could order .in walks this pushy broad and seeing me in line to order, she walks around me to place her order ahead of me. Then, and only then does she turn notice me, and then notices I am leaning on my new case.
Asks me if that’s a gun? I say no, it’s a gun case. She starts to go off on me for carrying a loaded firearm in a mall, and threatens to throw her coffee on me if I do not leave.
So I pointed out that had she not rudely cut in line I would have had my coffee and been gone already.
She began to verbally berate me and continued her threats to throw her coffee on me. I said well that’s one way to find out if I have a weapon in this case or not. Got the distinct impression that she was a man-hating public school teacher.
By this time the Barista was just finishing the rude feminazi’s order, and I asked the Barista if she was honestly going to had that dangerous weapon to this obviously unhinged and hysterical woman who has been verbally abusing me this whole time in this establishment in full view of you the shop employee and you did nothing and said nothing, knowing full well I had been standing here patiently waiting to order before the rude unhinged feminazi goose stepped in to your shop.
You heard her verbally abuse me, you heard her threaten to attack me with hot cup of coffee when she gets it, and you are going to sell her that weapon and hand it off to her so she can assault me with it?
Before you hand her that cup, I have to tell you, that once my lawyer wins the assault case against this woman and this franchise, and I end up owning this here coffee shop, I’m going to have to fire you for not having any common sense and not lifting a finger to protect your customers.
What do you want me to do? The barista asks. Well for starters don’t arm that woman with her weapon of choice, and perhaps you should call security; before you become a witness to an assault and loose your job.
At that point the Liberal was so hot and turning several shades of crimson, she could have steamed her own milk. She was definitely on her way to going full Chernobyl.
So the barista pulls back the Liberal’s coffee, and asks me what I’d like. Told her I was in a hurry and said I’d have what the other gal was having. So she sold me the liberal’s Latte and I sat there and drank it in front of her till she stormed out.
Once I walked out of the shop the crazy Liberal started screaming that I had a gun, inside the mall. So I poked my head back in the shop and asked the barista to call security and had a seat to watch the show.
Liberal gal, now in full melt down was frothing at the mouth, as if she’s just steamed her own milk. Security guards show up wave to me, and start laying into her for creating a scene in public. Security guard knew me, and had seen me walk into and out of the gun store earlier. Barista comes out and tells security what’s going on.
So he didn’t even pay any further attention to me, which had the oh so smug Liberal gun hater in tears, as she thought she had me when she saw security coming. I left the mall with her latte and my new gun case.
All of that, was just for open carrying an empty rifle case. I can barely just imagine the snit-fit had she caught sight of my CCW.
Molon Labe
great story highflight
It never ceases to amaze me of the illogical thoughts and actions of the liberal progressive.
Pushback is the only way.
It mystifies me how their tweets, Facebook pages and links can remain in public view, spreading terror and giving many would be acolytes instructions on terror tactics or encouraging them to join in jihad. Surely those clever techie guys at the big tech companies involved can close them down as soon as they appear?
Tonyb
“It mystifies me how their tweets, Facebook pages and links can remain in public view, spreading terror and giving many would be acolytes instructions on terror tactics or encouraging them to join in jihad. Surely those clever techie guys at the big tech companies involved can close them down as soon as they appear?”
Yes, but would they stop there?
Next it would be sites like this one.
Margaret, Very perceptive.
Not sure why it is so difficult for readers here to make the connection that the same government which says CO2 is a “dangerous pollutant,” and that nasty deniers are a “national security threat,” is stirring up terror over terrorists.
Obama: “Denying it, or refusing to deal with it endangers our national security. It undermines the readiness of our forces.”
Obama tweeted, ““This is a big moment in the fight against climate change — stick it to climate change deniers…”
In case the connection is unclear, let’s spell it out: Global warming deniers are national security threats. It’s time to take action against them. Terrorists are national security threats. It’s time to take action against them.
It’s called parallelism, and it leads to very, very bad things.
If you are not on the climate alarmist bandwagon, you are in the crosshairs of this government.
If you don’t think this administration would happily brand “deniers” as terrorists and therefore valid targets, you have not been paying attention.
Margaret
Thanks – my concern, too.
Yes, I abhor the ISIL fetishistic Sadists.
But we – the non-ISIL folk – need space, too.
Conflicted – and far from certain my [UK] government – or any other – will get it right, even third time . . . .
Auto
And that is why so little headway is being made. If you’re going to “make war” on ISIS then do so, and that means shutting down their comms systems. Refusing to do so because sometime, maybe, perhaps, in the future your government might do that to you is plain silly. It makes as much sense as being against the D-Day preparations because “the Federal Government might use that knowledge to invade Texas”.
Hold back and you get what you’ve got. A pissant crew that isn’t afraid of you. If you have total air superiority and the enemy is openly holding victory parades, then you might as well go home. You’re not doing anything useful.
@ur momisugly climate reason. Did you ever hit it on the nose, but that “social media” also provide intel to the various governments . You have to know your enemy but I agree shutting them down for a set piece of time and then allowing them back in could pinpoint them even better. Although (as in the spy novels) teck is not the only way to share information.
I agree that it’s wrong to change your holiday plans because of unsubstantiated threats. Doing that makes them successful and encourages more threats in the future. But it is certainly not wrong for authorities (or WUWT) to make us aware of such threats so we can be as alert and as prepared as possible. It’s just information. Do what you want with it. No one is forcing you to cancel your plans and stay home.
I’m with Leif on this one. And what makes it all the more convincing was to discover that the FBI uses a large amount of outsourced intel these days (they can’t afford have the agents to do it internally but can pay 3X to 4X for outside consultants), i.e. private security companies serving up “realities” that are used to make government policy and move a country’s emotions. Those private security companies don’t stay in business if they don’t produce the threats. Sound familiar?
Brian Michael Jenkins (RAND Corp) is the top terrorism expert in this country and considered one of the world’s leading terrorism authorities, over four decades in the business. He won’t even talk to the press these days because they mangle his words, including the Wall Street Journal after Murdoch took over. He regularly appears before Senate and House committees. He wrote in How a Decade of Terror Changed America:
In one appearance before the Senate, Jenkins said,
The question to ask is how these ISIS arrests were determined. Were they home-grown ISIS movements, or did someone sneak through our borders? The Brits were bombed for 57 days straight by the Germans and they had the good sense to put up signs: “Keep Calm and Carry On.”
Without having any sort of knowledge about these specific potential threats, it may be wise to remember that the government that is issuing these dire warnings is the exact same government that is issuing dire warnings about CO2, coal, and SUVs.
In case you haven’t noticed a pattern, a common-thread, it is “alarmism.”
Climate Alarmism is just another thread of the administration’s “scare the citizens” tactic.
And they have stooges to play the roles in their drama, just as the stooges play roles in the global warming alarm drama:
“THE United States has been narrowly saved from lethal terrorist plots in recent years — or so it has seemed. A would-be suicide bomber was intercepted on his way to the Capitol; a scheme to bomb synagogues and shoot Stinger missiles at military aircraft was developed by men in Newburgh, N.Y.; and a fanciful idea to fly explosive-laden model planes into the Pentagon and the Capitol was hatched in Massachusetts.
But all these dramas were facilitated by the F.B.I., whose undercover agents and informers posed as terrorists offering a dummy missile, fake C-4 explosives, a disarmed suicide vest and rudimentary training. Suspects naïvely played their parts until they were arrested.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-helped-along-by-the-fbi.html?_r=0
That’s called a sting, and last time I checked it was part of standard police conduct.
A sting is directed against real targets.
Obama’s FBI is manufacturing terrorists. Their targets are pitiful, retarded, deranged losers, by and large.
There’s a great book on this scare-mongering tactic, called The Terror Factory.
The author provides details here:
If they are willing to kill Americans, then the fact that they were handed fake bombs isn’t relevant.
They are real targets and they are real terrorists.
Mark,
Sorry, there are real terrorists who want to harm American interests. Using American funds to create fake terrorists is a waste of time and resources that could be spent against real targets. But that is really, really hard. It’s much easier to set up fake terror plots and entice retarded and crazy people into them.
As a judge at one of the fake terrorist trials said: “I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that there would have been no crime here except the government instigated it, planned it and brought it to fruition,” said U.S. District Judge Colleen McMahon at the sentencing of four men from Newburgh, N.Y., convicted on terrorism charges. She added, “That does not mean there was no crime.”
Deranged losers have done a fair amount of killing over the past few years, if you recall. If someone is willing to put on a suicide vest and go out to use it, they are a criminal. As long as you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they believed the weapon was real, you can commit attempted murder with a fake weapon.
Paladin,
No argument–the threat to our safety is crazy people–not ISIS or CO2!
As the judge in one of these scam trials said–paraphrasing–Yes, these poor twits committed crimes. But they committed crimes conceived of by FBI agents or informers, with fake weapons provided by the FBI, in wild plots right out of an action movie.
With the billions of dollars the FBI spends on these fake operations against crazy people, and the billions of phone and internet conversations they monitor, you’d think they’d be able to stop one real terrorist plot.
They have not yet.
Fall back strategy? Scare-mongering.
“It almost seems like the government is creating a theatrical event that produces more fear in the community,” said Michael German… a former FBI agent who worked undercover.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/documents-provide-rare-insight-into-fbis-terrorism-stings/2012/04/13/gIQASJ6CGT_story.html
kent. Sorry but we see the same sort of thing downunder. How about the FBI and other security services stop what they’re doing for a month, let a few bombs go off and then go back to work? Would that convince you?
The security forces are victims of their own success. Because they stopped an attack at a major venue and didn’t make loud noises about it, you and eveybody else have no clue as to just how close (perhaps) hundreds came to being killed.
How about you let them do their job?
John, You see what down under? Law enforcement creating “terrorists” from retarded and crazy people?
Why not let them do their job? In fact, that’s exactly what I’m proposing. Do their job–that is to stop real terrorists.
They are spending our tax dollars, billions of it, and NOT stopping real terrorists. Instead they feed this incredible scare-machine to justify more budget. It’s a self-licking ice cream cone.
Is their job really to create terrorists, plots, weapons, and more, so that they can then stop them?
“In the case of the “Newburgh Four,” for example, a judge said the government “came up with the crime, provided the means, and removed all relevant obstacles,” and had, in the process, made a terrorist out of a man “whose buffoonery is positively Shakespearean in scope.”
http://www.salon.com/2014/08/03/how_the_fbi_is_creating_terrorists_partner/
When you have people employed as police officers that don’t know the difference between right and wrong this is what you end up with. Fake and/or enticed crimes. It’s wrong to entice a person to commit a crime.
When a country loses its sense of morality this is an example of what happens.
And a knowledge of what the 10 Commandments mean is no longer relevant.
The best antidote to this nonsense is BBC Adam Curtis’ The Power of Nightmares: The Rise of the Politics of Fear. It’s also highly entertaining . . . and banned in the US. No public television channel would broadcast it even though it was offered to them for free. The film was made before the Newburgh Four, but it covered the Detroit cell that was ‘uncovered’, and the Lackawanna Six that Bush Jr claimed he thwarted. See the FBI as Keystone Cops.
For the record (I forgot the link for Curtis’ documentary) here it is: http://www.personalgrowthcourses.net/video/power_of_nightmares_politics_of_fear
I agree. Most of the so-called threats and arrests are of dumb punks tricked into
attending a meeting by law enforcement. Then, they don’t catch the real terrorists
until it’s too late (like the Boston marathon). This latest fear mongering may have
something to do with the new bill that is being put forth proposing yet another
wing of Homeland Security.
http://reason.com/archives/2015/07/02/dont-be-terrorized-by-your-government-th
http://reason.com/blog/2015/07/02/three-strange-claims-in-mother-joness-re
Yep, the politicians rant on and on about gun control, this threat and that threat, and the unconstitutional war on terrorism which then is diverted and subverted to include everyone…you and your neighbors are now terrorists; yet they are the ones that have over time done the vast majority of murderous acts of terror. MSM perpetually avoids truth while using brainwashing propaganda indoctrinating the masses. No one will save the US from it’s self inflicted disease of hate mongering…..thought I had some Scotch…cheers!
This is the one about the new Homeland dept.
http://reason.com/blog/2015/07/01/bill-would-create-new-homeland-security
ISIS is just one of many substitutes for fear, needed and used by fearmongers. So the sheeple will rally behind the “leaders”, may they be Obamas, dumbasses, goalposts or reasonably intelligent politicians (I have seen only very very few of that ilk). And the sheeple will be grateful for being protected and well looked after, even if the NSA spies on law abiding citizens.
Mods, why is my comment still in moderation? Something wrong with it?
What about the two Jihadists who showed up with machine guns at the Draw Mohammed contest in Garland, TX? And then the contest organizers were criticized because the violent response was “entirely predictable”. How could it have been predictable if all Islamic terror is manufactured by the FBI?
Did the FBI get these two with machine guns to drive to Garland?
And what about Islamic terror in other countries? It would be strange if our country were the only country in the world where all the Islamic terror is created by the FBI. Especially since we’re the “Great Satan.”
Think about it.
TA,
Think about it? Not only do I think about it, I’ve lived it. Counter-terrorism and Islamic extremism are a couple of my specialties.
When you set out to intentionally offend a specific group, don’t be surprised when they are offended. When you offend a specific group in a way that they take very seriously, don’t be surprised when they take it very seriously. Geller and her minions are agent provacateurs. Want to see a violent reaction? Drive into a Southeast DC (or South Central LA, or South Chicago, or Harlem, or….) housing project with a confederate flag and start espousing your hatred for rap music and its performers. You’ll get what you are asking for. As did Geller. And it would be entirely predictable….
Violence in regional civil wars has nothing to do with the USA. There are numerous regional civil wars going on–including the one with the most horrendous atrocities–in South Sudan, all sides of which are Christians.
The actual existential threat to America and our citizens is the invasion waves rolling over our Southern border–and it’s got nothing to do with Sharia–just ask Donald Trump.
In about the same time period that Geller has been screeching “Sharia!” at the top of her lungs, the Obama administration released floods of illegal aliens into our country instead of deporting them. Many of those they caught and released were convicted of crimes in the US, but were released any way. And in that group (which far outnumbers any “Islamic terrorists” set up by the FBI), 121 illegal aliens celebrated their freedom in America by murdering an American.
That’s just murders by convicted criminal illegal aliens who were not deported. Those who are not caught, by some estimates, murder thousands of Americans every year. And they are killing thousands of more Americans every year by drunk driving.
Rapes, kidnappings, robberies, assaults? Virtually uncountable.
And you’re worried about a couple punks going after Geller and her hate-mongers?
“According to information provided by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), up to 121 homicides in the U.S. could have been avoided between Fiscal Year 2010 and FY 2014 had this administration removed from our borders aliens with criminal convictions instead of releasing them back into society where they could commit more crimes,” the letter states. “I am writing to ask whether the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), the State Department, and the Justice Department are fully leveraging existing tools and resources to prevent these dangerous outcomes.”
@kentclizbe, very good comment at July 3, 2015 at 9:05 pm about Pamela Geller, whom I consider a domestic terrorist. Along with Steve Emerson, Frank Gaffney, Daniel Pipes, and Bill French. The Tennessean‘s Religion Editor, Bob Smietana, did a major investigative series on their so-called non-profit orgs paying themselves exorbitant salaries and other perks after fund-raising millions through fear of Sharia. Smietana followed the money and revealed the scam they were pulling throughout Southern Christian churches. “Anti-Muslim crusaders make millions spreading fear”.
But don’t forget about Guatemala during Fiscal Year 2010 and FY 2014 (Sept. 30 to Sept. 30). If you will recall, they discovered there were full-page ads being placed in the local Guatemala papers with the US Immigration (ICE) seal on it saying the borders were open, if you could afford to ‘get up there’. Remember how Biden had to go down to find out what was going on, and that’s how they discovered this newspaper campaign? Smugglers, charging up to $18,000 per in some cases, placed the ads. NPR, in a rare act of unbiased news, did major stories on it, interviewing everyone involved. Some of these duped people sold all their possessions, borrowed from relatives, and sold their houses to take advantage of the phony US program. The first hint of what was going on was revealed by a TX judge who was processing so many illegal single-mothers with children that he couldn’t understand it. Through translators they were able to determine that they had been told in Guatemala that it was all completely legal. IIRC there were 50,000 in one six-month period, and they ran out of detention centers. Children and toddlers were sleeping on the cement floor in un-air-conditioned detention centers in TX over the height of the summer because ICE ran out of beds. Biden authorized a newspaper campaign in Guatemala and Nicaragua to say the immigration program was a lie.
But what also came through were the worse elements in their society trying to avoid prison at home. People from Nicaragua were streaming into Guatemala to take advantage of this as well. So much for an attentive US embassy in these countries.
Whoops. Put this question in the wrong thread: “Mods, why is my comment still in moderation? Something wrong with it?” Referring to comment at July 4, 2015 at 1:41 pm. Thx.
“… the only thing we have to fear is fear itself—nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance.”
FDR
isn’t that the guy who ordered the internment of american citizens and the forfeiture of their property because they had japanese ancestors?
just pointing out that FDR had a bit of unreasoning fear himself…
And Obummer does his able best to prevent the able, willing, and stupendous Kurdish Peshmerga from winning the fight. Facepalm.
And Turkey, our wonderful NATO ally.
The only force in that region that should be armed and enforced are the Kurds.
Maybe that is the reason the US prevent that from them…
Now you’re talking.
Perhaps somebody can explain to me why the Israelis don’t arm the Kurds on the quiet?
That would get right up Obama’s nose.
maybe cos the israelis want the kurds oil?
they arm many others on the QT I gather
and dont answer to anyone about their own nuke activity
lsvalgaard July 2, 2015 at 11:01 am
“The same source also reports that FBI agents are telling family and friends to avoid “official” holiday celebrations
and THAT is precisely what ISIS intend, sowing fear. So they win on this.”
You’re Much More Likely to Be Killed By Lightning than by a Terrorist
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/09/youre-68-times-more-likely-to-be-hit-and-killed-by-lightning-than-murdered-by-a-terrorist.html
And:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/02/see-something-say-something-campaign-could-allow-people-to-label-any-american-a-suspected-terrorist-just-like-in-nazi-germany-or-stasi-east-germany.html
And while we’re at it:
http://technoccult.net/archives/2010/03/03/who-really-said-when-fascism-comes-to-america-it-will-come-wrapped-in-the-flag-and-waving-a-cross/
Actually, you’re more likely to drown in your bathtub than by a terrorist’s hand. The number put it in perspective:
http://reason.com/archives/2015/07/02/dont-be-terrorized-by-your-government-th
This is only true because there are so many more bathtubs in America than terrorists. And remember, a bathtub won’t come at you with murderous intent and won’t chase you if it misses the first time.
We don’t have conceal and carry laws because of bathtubs, jorgekafkazar.
…actually your more likely to be killed by law enforcement and governments. So, in the end, all of this militarization is to protect THE STATE from THE PEOPLE during mass civil unrest, most likely due to an engineered economic collapse, the resulting loss of jobs, income and pensions, the curtailment of food production and distribution, starvation, disease, and everything else that cascades from a lack of essential commodities and emergency services. That’s what all of the federal law enforcement and military training manuals say they are planning for, one way or another.
I am a climate skeptic, but being skeptical of the desire of Islamic Supremacists to murder us is pure ostrich mode. Yes, it is not likely that we will by killed by terrorist, nor are we likely to be struck by lightning. That doesn’t mean that telling people to avoid golfing in stormy weather is a scaremongering.
The idea of criticizing the See Something, Say Something campaign is ridiculous. It’s nothing more than standard policework. If I see someone fiddling with a bunch of cars or dropping some drums by the side of the road, I am going to call that in. The police have been running tip lines like CrimeStoppers for years. A tip is not probable cause for arrest.
I’m quite familiar with the history of fascism, thank you very much.
Paladin,
Instead of ostrich, why not emulate an empiricist?
Why would you accept the scare-mongering about terror-threats from the exact same crowd from whom you reject scare-mongering about CO2?
“Terror threats” and “climate threats” are two arrows in the same quiver–tactics for controlling you and our society.
The empirical facts are: ISIS is engaged in an intra-religious regional civil war for control of territory that has been contested for millennia. The only reasons they taunt us are two: first for publicity, and second because we’re inserting ourselves in the regional conflict.
The only threats to Americans are to those American thrill-seekers who bumble their way onto the battlefields of Iraq/Syria/Lebanon/Yemen.
The losers who fall prey to the FBI’s stings in America, and to the ISIS social media messages, are the same losers who hate our culture–thanks to the anti-Normal media, Hollywood and academia/education.
actually, a tip can be probable cause for an arrest.
“You’re Much More Likely to Be Killed By Lightning than by a Terrorist”
That’s cold comfort to the relatives and friends of the people killed in the Lindt cafe siege in Sydney here in Australia. I bet none of them are thinking “well who cares they probably would have been hit by lightning soon anyway”.
It’s real. We’re lucky here in Australia that a plot to kill people at the ANZAC Day commemorations earlier this year was foiled in advance. I’m not suggesting that you should refrain from whatever you’re proposing to do to celebrate the 4th – in Australia the response to the terrorist threat was record crowds at just about every Dawn Service across the country – but be alert.
and as in the Pt Arthur incident JUST ONE or TWO ARMED citizens would have had a good chance of stopping the killers.
but nooo our idiot howard goes n basically removes the citizens means of defence!
now we hear daily shootings deaths etc and?
theyre UNregd guns imported or old ones kept back in the handin and gone awol.
also curious is how many legal regd and logged guns seem to get stolen so fast
and the crims know who where and how to find them?
someones either selling that supposed secure govt file info or hacked the system
theres quite a few of us reckon the pt arthur dude was a setup
and Lindt?
the story of our so called security ballsups in series on that mongrel who should have been deported waaaay earlier is a bloody farce!
“ozspeaksup
July 3, 2015 at 3:46 am”
Yes, Howard did change gun ownership laws, due to pressure from the limp wristed anti-gun crowd. We now have more illegal and homemade guns on the streets of Australia than before. We even have AusPost workers and customs officials at sea/airports who allow guns through the border, illeegally. So, we now have more illegal guns and, surprise surprise, more gun related crime.
New Zealand is the same. I recall a case years ago of two robbers, on private farmland, were trying to steal private property (Quad bikes if I recall). The farmer/owner fired his legally owned and registered shotgun at the robbers. Didn’t kill or injure them. He was sent to jail for a good few years.
I personally would prefer citizens to be allowed to buy, license, train to use and use handguns, specifically for home defense. But then there are rules (Like having them locked up in a gun case/safe) which makes access to them rather difficult when you really need them.
That’s cold comfort to the relatives and friends of the people killed in the Lindt cafe siege in Sydney here in Australia. I bet none of them are thinking “well who cares they probably would have been hit by lightning soon anyway”.
But the point is still valid. Do you expect people to hide in their homes because of the fear of terror? In Australia more people die due to animal attacks each year than of terror attacks over the course of a decade. This does not mean that terror attacks cannot happen; only that we can’t live our lives in fear of very improbable events.
said, “You’re Much More Likely to Be Killed By Lightning (and bathtubs) than by a Terrorist”
Don’t underestimate your enemy. Bathtubs are not your enemy.
Their potential is much greater mass death then lighting or a bathtub. Actually there is no comparison.
Islam (the Ideology of Islam) has killed over 250 million people in it’s 1400 years not counting war. Two largest mass slaughters were in India +80 million and 150 million in Africa. The main contributor to those figures was the Ottoman Empire. During this time they controlled about 1/2 of Europe including Southern France and half of Italy.
They created a white slave trade out of Cordoba Spain which amounted to over a million white Christians slaves most shipped to Arabia. White slaves where mostly sex slaves from the tellak boys in the Turkish baths to the harem girls. For a comparison less then 600,000 blacks where sent to the US colonies and US total from the Arab Slave trade.
The Islamic countries today are fragments of that Empire and the Islamic State is attempting to reform that Islamic State or theocratic State.
Ox,
Interesting, and anomalous, view of history.
However, taken on your own terms, you’ve described an internal, regional civil war raging over the erroneous division of a defunct empire.
While you’re missing several important components of the actual story (Shi’a vs. Sunni, the role of the European colonial powers in the mis-division of the Ottoman territories, and more), you’ve essentially got it correct.
The only thing missing is: What American interest is put at risk by the barbaric war in Syria/Iraq/Lebanon?
This entire discussion is about the “terrorist threat” alarmist scare-mongering in the USA for this holiday.
Our nation is not at risk by an intra-religious (Sunni vs. Shi’a) territorial civil war in the Levant. The only risk is to thrill-seekers who venture into the war zone. And to us if we keep inserting ourselves into their war.
In the meantime, the descendants of Catholic conquistadors are actually invading our country–killing, raping, stealing, and rending the very fabric of our constitution (aliens being given the right to vote, etc).
So, congratulations on your (albeit flawed and exaggerated) history of the Middle East. But we don’t live there–we live in Keokuk, Tampa, Sacramento, and Raleigh. No Islamic ISIS threat (except the fake ones ginned up by federal law enforcement). But lots of Catholic threats from the South.
Feliz Navidad, and Adios America!
kentclizbe said, “you’ve described an internal, regional civil war raging over the erroneous division of a defunct empire. ”
That defunct empire was based on the Islamic theocracy system of government which is being reformed and the threat we face. It’s in the process of being reformed and that is the threat we face.
While it’s being reformed we will be attacked there is no avoiding that. We are their primary enemy
If we could just alter the system of incentives, these threats might abate. I am thinking here of the kind of inducements that would stay the hand of your ordinary adversary. Like the assurance of total annihilation of said adversary, his or her entire tribe, the neighborhood, the city, the host nation. That used to work.
It is harder to make it work when the adversary professes not to care for worldly things, that he or she is an agent of a deity who desires purity of doctrine even at the price of wholesale slaughter. But it is still possible to make it work, because the adversary’s family, friends, neighbors, countrymen, may not be equally willing to suffer annihilation in exchange for an unprovoked attack. So their behavior may be altered, and their altered behavior may include throwing the adversary off a roof before it’s too late.
However when you cannot credibly convey assurance of destruction, nobody is going to be motivated to do anything except attack you; or ignore your pleas for help or mercy.
Which is about where we are.
Owen said: “If we could just alter the system of incentives, these threats might abate….”
That reminds me of a story floating around 30 or 40 years ago when the Palestinians were heavy into kidnapping. According to the story they kidnapped a Russian diplomat. The Russians found out the individuals that performed the operation, and kidnapped one or more of their families. They then put the word out that they would be happy to either trade the families back for their diplomat or just make all of them disappear. They got back their diplomat and as far as I know never had to worry about kidnapping again
Hostage trading is an ancient and pervasive balance of power ploy. It is probably true that the whole point of kings marrying off their sons and daughters to rivals, was at root a form of hostage trading to keep the peace.
Owen said: “If we could just alter the system of incentives, these threats might abate….”
Incentivize those men who stop a terrorist threat with the same promise that the terrorists get from their Imam’s; but Instead of 42 virgins in the bye-and-bye, offer them a stay at some sugar shack in Nevada free of charge. (If married, give them an all-expenses-paid vacation with their wife to a resort of their choice.)
Isn’t that already one of the perks for the Secret Service? 🙂
they don’t respect threats, they only respect action. as for the neighbors etc. they’re just hostages that must comply or die, regardless of their own views.
Our top security adviser says we’re safe as can be….
http://www.weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Screen-Shot-2015-07-02-at-12.48.51-PM-550×609.png
We all know who the enemy is.
The left has allowed it ooze into our lives.
I don’t feel like saving the green/left/socialist/anarchists from what they have done to this great society.
I will do as I please, come what may. And what may come is not unlike what is happening every day in the middle east, Britain, Indonesia etc. Sorry. I just don’t care to expend energy trying to protect the animals that have ruined my world.
ISIS have declared war on : Iraq, Syria, Libya, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Russia, Europe, America, The Christians and the Shia. They are good at internet propaganda, suicide bombing, brain washing young men and young girls and hopeless at creating a modern educated economy that allows both men and women reach their full capacity as loving and loyal citizens. Yes they will cause atrocities, but they will be beaten.
It is those few, select Middle Eastern nations which have escaped ISIS attention and wrath which raise the eyebrows…
Since the terrorist acts abroad and the outrageous things perpetrated by our government, the media, and some citizens don’t fret the public, the only reason that any government official might try to scare people for nefarious reasons would be a reflection of his own stupidity.
IMHO, the federal government is hugely exaggerating these warning ins order to create fear and justify laws which reduce individual freedoms. If there is a plot, it is probably 3 teenagers with fake explosives, recruited and equipped by FBI agents.
Bingo! Go to the head of the class.
Or as John Stewart put it so succinctly “7 dipshits in a warehouse”.
I seem to remember ‘two dipshits’ in a sedan with a rifle almost shutting down DC. Imagine what 7 dipshits could do. This is what asymmetric warfare is about.
Ian, You’re missing the point.
The 2 dipshits in a sedan in DC did it ON THEIR OWN. They were not instigated and facilitated by law enforcement.
Go about your lives. Fear is what they feed on. They warned British tourists not to go to Tunisia. Some may say it was foolish, but to give in is what they want, and it means they win. When the IRA was bombing London, my then girlfriend and I (now my wife) went there more than we would normally have done. You have to show cowards that you are not afraid. The IRA were a bunch of gutless, brainless morons, and so are Islamic fundamentalists.
It wouldn’t surprise me if there were not a few idiots out there with grandiose plans they have absolutely no chance of implementing. It’s not those you have to worry about. It’s the smaller independents that don’t mind trading a couple of Kafirs (INFIDELS) for a few dozen virgins in paradise that you need to watch out for. There are hopefully a lot less of them running around ’cause they’re a lot harder to locate.
Outside the Middle East, more people die from falling in the bathtub than from terrorism. So don’t let a government scare prevent you from enjoying the 4th.
But if you’re fortunate enough to live in the 41 states where concealed carry is allowed, bring your weapon. If it hits the fan, you might need it.
What about the ten’s of thousands killed each year on roads, don’t hear much about that oh wait better not let the government start another 1000 regulations.
Keep Calm
but Pack heat.
And wear a flack jacket and helmet….
+1
Well, yes. But. Honestly, is my Sig M11-A1 a good counter to an AK47? Better than nothing I will grant you. But its really intended to even the odds against more domestic criminals armed with a knife or handgun. I would be much better off with my AR15 SBR slung over my shoulder. Fortunately, here in Oregon I could actually do that, except that if I want to go to the rodeo on the 4th, its private property, and for all their pontificating about patriotism and American traditions, they ban firearms, including licensed concealed carry. I have little doubt this was forced upon them by their insurers. So (at least in theory), I would be totally unarmed when visiting this event. A perfect arena for a nice bloody terrorist attack.
Hence the results in Colorado. He went into a place that advertised there was a gun ban. I’m waiting for the lawsuit against the owner/operator of the venue responsible for this policy, citing their failure to protect citizens when they deprived them of the ability to protect themselves.
Doug Ritter July 2, 2015 at 11:16 am
You’re Much More Likely to Be Killed By Lightning than by a Terrorist
The article quoted studies deaths ONLY of Americans. This would be akin to saying that, prior to entering WWII, the chances of being an American citizen killed by Nazis or Japanese was less than the chance of being killed by lightning. A statement entirely true and completely irrelevant. The threat is real and if not contained it comes to your shores eventually. Suddenly, in a single day (the bombing of Pearl Harbour),nobody would be so vacuous as to compare those deaths to the number of people killed by lightning. They’d look like callous and complete idiots for doing so. Is that what you propose we wait for?
War is far away until it comes to you, and it will if it is not stopped while still far away. For the poor souls being murdered by the thousands by ISIS and their ilk, this article isn’t just an insult, it is a crime of selfish indifference and a naive inability to perceive danger when it is staring you in the face.
I don’t know if there is any serious threat to July 4 celebrations, and I don’t live in the US. But to diminish the threat to the world through such a twisted up pile of misdirection, selective use of facts, and to paint it as something that happens far away and so doesn’t much matter is a combination of naivete and evil rolled up into one.
Go out and be an American, but keep a charged cellphone with you…”
Go out and be an American, but keep your weapon close with some extra mags….”
There fixed it.
I agree with your premise, just not sure how it helps against bombs 🙂
Celebrating the Fourth of July is apparently a provocative act. It’s definitely much more than a micro aggression. We may have to look to college professors and the new left for guidance on this dilemma. I’m afraid that breathing not only releases tons of CO2, but it is also offending many who are obviously much holier than we are,
Do I really need a sarc tag?
Some college know it all hippy said it was a milliagression. Must be. Those are 1000 times worser than microagressions.
“The FBI is serious this time” … Then tell them to stop THEIR involvement with terror and make believe threats and focus on the real ones! If they quit wasting resources making stuff up then maybe they’d have enough to get the real job done.
http://www.projectcensored.org/4-fbi-agents-responsible-for-majority-of-terrorist-plots-in-the-united-states/
As you are probably aware, security and intelligence services get mixed up in all sorts of games. Two of the most fascinating episodes I have read involved the FBI in the Oklahoma Bombing, and the CIA’s possible involvement with the murder of the British Queen’s husband’s uncle, Lord Mountbatten. In his book, Member of Parliament, Enoch Powell, alleged that the CIA (at least) helped in the murder, and all but pulled it off for the IRA. The CIA were afraid that Ireland’s non-alignment in NATO would be damaging. Mountbatten had also just given a strong anti-nuclear speech, which might have far-reaching implications. The CIA figured that a unified Ireland would be a NATO Ireland. The IRA managed to pull off two ‘spectacular’ murderous episodes at the same time – something they weren’t really capable of doing.
Things go on, you know.
++++ 😉
I don’t understand why they don’t shut down the training camps they know are here. They even have an Islamic town. No outsiders allowed.
Because Obama is a Muslim.
Irrelevant. Obama is a willing part of a power structure that is growing and thriving on feeding fear to the people. The last thing that power structure would allow him to do is remove the source of alleged threat.
If you really believe Obama has a strong religious conviction on any subject then I would ask that you suggest some evidential basis for this conclusion?
Evidence? See his actions in regard to the Middle East.
Well, if they really want to launch an attack, they seem to have picked the one day I’ll be armed AND have a hundred pounds of fireworks. So, bring it, boys.
lsvalgaard: …THAT is precisely what ISIS intend, sowing fear. So they win on this.
LeGore School (El Monte City Schools) is just a block from the El Monte airport. Prior to 9/11 I would walk my class over to the airport once a year, where they were brought up to the control tower a few at a time and shown how the air traffic was managed. After 9-11, all non-essential visits to the facility were stopped, IMHO, a reasonable short term response while the authorities assessed the situation. It is now many years later, and I have not heard that the restrictions have been lifted. Perhaps people will sleep better at night, knowing that our airports are protected from potential eight year old terrorists.
Leif is right. To the extent that they have induced foolish fear, the terrorists have already won. We need to keep our heads. The devil is real enough, but he’s not hiding behind every bush.
My own version of your story concerns the local water treatment plant. Pre 9/11 we used to take the kids’ Cub Scout and Brownie troops through there, and it was pretty cool. The children enjoyed it, and they developed a more visceral connection to the stuff that came out of their water tap at home.
Ever since 9/11 the treatment plant has been closed to the public. One more way in which our children are severed from knowledge about the technologies that are keeping them alive.
You have a lot more to fear from a $20 trillion dollar debt than you do any ragtag, bag-o-meatballs bunch of terrorists.
What if they had a nuclear weapon? Gee, I wonder where they could get one of those? National debt is important, sure, but what will nuclear terrorism do to the world economy? Suppose a city, any city in the world, is destroyed by a single bomb?
C’mon. That can’t even pick the low hanging fruit like slipping inside the Mall of America on Black Friday with a dozen Kalashnikovs. If they ever got their hands on a nuke they would accidentally blow up a village in Syria or something. Or Iran would sell hem a dud.
“brians356
July 2, 2015 at 12:45 pm”
A nuclear bomb would not be needed. All that would be needed is a “dirty” bomb, a simple explosive wrapped in cesium-137, strontium-90 or iodine-131 for instance.