Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach.
Sometimes when I’m reading about renewable technologies, I just break out laughing at the madness that the war on carbon has wrought. Consider the Ivanpah solar tower electric power plant. It covers five square miles in Southern California with mirrors which are all focusing the sun on a central tower. The concentrated sunlight boils water that is used to run a steam turbine to generate electricity.
Sounds like at a minimum it would be ecologically neutral … but unfortunately, the Law of Unintended Consequences never sleeps, and the Ivanpah tower has turned out to be a death trap for birds, killing hundreds and hundreds every year:
“After several studies, the conclusion for why birds are drawn to the searing beams of the solar field goes like this: Insects are attracted to the bright light of the reflecting mirrors, much as moths are lured to a porch light. Small birds — insect eaters such as finches, swallows and warblers — go after the bugs. In turn, predators such as hawks and falcons pursue the smaller birds.
But once the birds enter the focal field of the mirrors, called the “solar flux,” injury or death can occur in a few seconds. The reflected light from the mirrors is 800 to 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit. Either the birds are incinerated in flight; their feathers are singed, causing them to fall to their deaths; or they are too injured to fly and are killed on the ground by predators, according to a report by the National Fish and Wildlife Forensics Laboratory.”
– David Danelski, Solar: Ivanpah Solar Described as Deadly Trap for Wildlife,” Riverside-Press Enterprise, April 8, 2014.
But of course, that’s not what made me laugh. That’s a tragedy which unfortunately will be mostly ignored by those good-hearted environmentally conscious folks suffering from chronic carbophobia.
The next oddity about Ivanpah is that despite being powered by light, it is light-years away from being economically viable. Like the old sailors say, “The wind is free … but everything else costs money”.
But being totally uneconomical doesn’t matter, because despite costing $2.2 billion to build, Google is a major shareholder, so at least they could afford to foot the bills for their high-priced bird-burner …
… get real. Google would much rather use taxpayer dollars to burn birds alive than foot the costs themselves. Being good businessmen and women they sought and got a $1.6 billion dollar taxpayer funded loan, presumably because no bank on the planet would touch the project. And if the banks wouldn’t touch it, why should you and I?
But that’s not enough for these greedy green pluted bloatocrats. Now, they are applying for a $539 million dollar GIFT of your and my taxpayer money in order to repay the money that you and I already lent them … we should give them the money to repay ourselves? Give an unimaginably wealthy company money to repay us what we have loaned them? Have I wandered into a parallel universe? This is GOOGLE, folks, and they’re trying to poor-mouth us?
And of course, that’s not what made me laugh either. That is another tragedy which unfortunately will be ignored by those who wish to see electricity prices rise … you know, folks like President Obama, who famously said:
Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket …
Of course, such an electricity price rise would mean nothing to him, like every recent President he’ll leave office a multi-millionaire. And such an energy price rise means nothing to the Google execs who are burning birds alive … but for those of us here on the ground, causing the electricity rates to skyrocket is not the moral high ground, it is a crime against the poor.
So that is no laughing matter at all.
No, the part that I didn’t know about Ivanpah (and other solar steam plants), the part that got me smiling, was that there is a problem with a solar tower that is generating steam. This is that steam turbines don’t do well at all with half a head of steam. For full efficiency a turbine needs full pressure steam in order to operate. And it has to have full pressure, not when the valves are closed to let the pressure build up, but when the turbine is actually using the steam.
And since you can’t store steam, that in turn means that Google can’t start up their you-beaut solar tower until fairly late in the morning.
Well, the solution that the good engineers hired by Google came up with was simple.
Start the sucker up using natural gas. That way, first you can heat the cool boiler water before the sun comes up. Then, as more and more solar energy comes online during the morning, you can taper off on the natural gas.
But having a solar plant that runs on natural gas, although funny, wasn’t the best part … it gets better:
One big miscalculation was that the power plant requires far more steam to run smoothly and efficiently than originally thought, according to a document filed with the California Energy Commission. Instead of ramping up the plant each day before sunrise by burning one hour’s worth of natural gas to generate steam, Ivanpah needs more than four times that much help from fossil fuels to get plant humming every morning. MARKETWATCH
These good folks have underestimated the amount of fossil fuels that the plant would need by a factor of four, and they want us to follow their lead in reorganizing the world’s energy supply? And of course, in the familiar refrain, the taxpayer is expected to foot the bill for their ignorance and their inept calculations.
So now, I find out that the Ivanpah plant runs on natural gas four hours a day, and I gotta say, I did find that funny. But in the most ironic twist of all, the above link goes on to say:
Another unexpected problem: not enough sun. Weather predictions for the area underestimated the amount of cloud cover that has blanketed Ivanpah since it went into service in 2013.
And that brought the joke all the way around. I found that hilariously ironic. Because of alarmism based on computer model predictions of rising temperatures in 100 years, we’ve built a fossil-fuel fired solar plant which is already in trouble because of failed computer model predictions of the clouds over the next few years … don’t know about you, but that cracked me up.
Now, even the best solar energy conversion devices don’t operate 24 hours a day, or even 12 hours a day. Generally, eight hours a day or even less is the norm. And that has been cut down by clouds … so at present, dreaded fossil fuels are likely providing a third of the energy to fuel the plant.
Gotta say, I don’t know whether to laugh or cry about things like the natural-gas powered Ivanpah solar power plant fiasco. On the whole I have to favor laughter … but dear heavens, the damage that environmentalists are doing in the name of the environment is appalling. Burning birds alive in the name of making energy prices skyrocket? Have we sunk this low? Really?
In any case, my best guess is that this is a self-limiting problem, or it would be without subsidies. The “levelized cost” of solar thermal is horrendous. It is the only technology which is more expensive than offshore wind, and it is the most expensive of the commonly analyzed grid-scale renewable choices. It won’t work without the kind of multi-million dollar taxpayer subsidies that the Google folks think that they deserve … me, I would never have given them the loan of taxpayer money in the first place, that’s the bank’s job, not the government’s job. More to the point, I think they deserve to pay the damn loan back themselves.
Let me close on a more optimistic note. The referenced article says:
Bird carnage combined with opposition by Native American tribes to industrial projects on undeveloped land has made California regulators wary of approving more. Last September, Abengoa and BrightSource abandoned their quest to build a solar-thermal project near Joshua Tree National Park when the state regulator told them the plant’s footprint would have to be cut in half.
In March the Board of Supervisors of Inyo County, a sparsely populated part of California that is home to Death Valley National Park, voted to ban solar-thermal power plants altogether. “Ivanpah had a significant effect on the decision making,” said Joshua Hart, the county’s planning director.
If the final end of Ivanpah is the end of any further Ivanpahs ever, I suppose that I’d say that Ivanpah was worth whatever it cost … although I’m sure the birds would have preferred a different path to that outcome. As long as Ivanpah is in operation birds will continue to be burned alive in the name of driving up electricity prices … and these monomoniacal carbophobes still think that they have the high moral ground regarding fossil fuels?
Because I rather suspect that neither the birds nor the poor would agree …
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Almost as good as the Spanish “solar panel” farce, where the panels also generated power at night because electricity from such panels can’t be distinguished from pretend solar energy from diesel fueled generators which some astute operators used to earn a quick buck given the lavish subsidies.
A simple question
How do they manage to keep all those mirrors constantly clean & shiny ?
Must be pretty dusty out they
One gust of wind could kill the reflective effect of the mirrors I would have thought
Ah just found how the mirrors are kept cleaned
“Ivanpah uses about 32 million gallons of groundwater each year to keep its boilers full and mirrors clean”
Source:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2014/11/11/thermal-solar-energy-some-technologies-really-are-dumb/
I may be wrong but aren’t they complaining about water shortage in California
My sister lives in a New England state, She can get $24,000 solar panel installation for $8,000 after subsidies. Even after getting the panels at 1/3 the actual cost it is still debatable if it is worth it. She is looking at a better return by upgrading her old furnace to a more efficient model at about half the cost.
They are getting so desperate I just heard one of these solar panel ads yesterday on the radio extolling how proud you’ll be to have solar panels running your air conditioner. ~Something~ tells me that even the most efficient typical home solar panel roof installation (~500 sq ft?) is probably not going to generate enough power to supply the surge to start up the compressor of a common one room window air conditioner during much more than a ~4 hour period at mid day – on a clear day – with inverters that can take the surge. (And anyway don’t most people turn on their air conditioners in the evening and at night for after they come home from work and later go to bed?)
A factor of four. Estimates of costs off by a factor of four. I am not forgetting that benefits are probably off by the same factor, but that makes less of a splash since benefits – if estimated accurately – are arguable and negligible anyway.
Doubling your power bill and then doubling it again. And then paying taxes to make that happen. Sounds like a hidden cost factor on top of a minimum proven factor of four for false benefits promised. Only possible with the cooperative efforts of cronies, government and politicized science, journalism and education. We would already know all of this from Spain if it weren’t for “the cooperative efforts of cronies, government and politicized science, journalism and education.”
“…Ivanpah tower has turned out to be a death trap for birds, killing hundreds and hundreds every year”
I completely disagree with that assessment. I think it could be killing 10’s of thousands of birds every year because for every bird that flies in close enough to the tower where the intensity is hot enough to singe them enough to then cause them to catch fire and fall within “counting distance” – there have to be dozens more that encountered less intensity at a further distance away from the tower that did not singe them enough to fall anywhere near there but nonetheless ultimately kill them from injury – maybe miles away.
Is there any effort to determine the affect on the birds exposed to the region of lower intensity light – a region MUCH larger than the immediate death zone nearer to the tower?
The array of mirrors looks like a lake from a distance from the air. Aside from the occasional desert mirage seen only from a very low incidence angle, there is only ONE element in nature capable of reflecting the sky over a large area – WATER. Look at any aerial view of the facility and that is what it looks like. What could be more attractive to a tired and hot desert bird flying along at ~500 feet than to see what it thinks is a huge shimmering lake 5 miles away?
How much can a bird be singed “a little” and continue to survive, especially in the desert? If it’s normal range is to fly say 30 miles to get to food or water within its territory – what happens if singed flight feathers reduce that range to 5 miles? It will likely die of exhaustion and/or thirst unable to fly any further and … IT WILL NOT BE COUNTED BY GOOGLE.
Then there is their eye sight. How much can a desert bird be partially blinded, permanently or temporarily it doesn’t matter, before it affects their ability to navigate around obstacles, negotiate a safe landing, avoid predators, find real water/food, etc. ?
I’d like to be wrong with my assessment and I think there is a good way to determine it one way or the other. If I am correct the average count of birds killed per day will be decreasing – because there are fewer and fewer of them left within a 100 miles of the place! (Oh look … the problem is going away by itself!)
Living in the desert is a tougher life for birds or any animal so their population is MUCH lower there than in less arid places. We could be looking at avian genocide here – and government helped!
Great point – walking (or in this case, flying) wounded who eventually succumb to their injuries or at best have a shortened life span due to being permanently impaired.
“If the final end of Ivanpah is the end of any further Ivanpahs ever, I suppose that I’d say that Ivanpah was worth whatever it cost” reminds me of the demotivator “Mistake” poster:
It could be that the purpose in your like is to serve as a warning to others
grrr…should read ‘life’
There are many problems with so called “renewable energy” and this is just one of the more obvious ones. While working on a related project I researched many of the issues with solar and wind and came to realize that one of the biggest problems is integration into the power distribution grid. Because, as yet, there is no efficient energy storage system for electricity produced by solar and wind there is no way to coordinate power production with demand. The grid is a demand driven system and the generation facilities must respond quickly to fluctuations in that demand. This is relatively easy to do with hydro, fossil fuel and nuclear systems but is very difficult for wind or solar unless the generator facilities are significantly over built which adds to the cost. Without a viable energy storage system it can be shown that the grid becomes dangerously unstable when solar and wind contribution gets much above about 15 percent of the total generating capacity. This is the ugly little secret that the greeners don’t want anyone to know about.
Not to worry, some well-placed party donations will keep the project going and management bonuses flowing. See Solyndra bonuses
Also not mentioned in any of Ivanpah’s literature is the fact that they are providing you with “output” power. Their subsidies are based upon power generated. Therefor they generate the electricity, measure it, deliver it to the grid and then tap into the grid and get the power that they need to operate the plant. Look at the plant. Every one of those mirrors has a complex control system with servos and motors and controllers all powered on all of the time all using electricity. The pumps in the tower have motors, controllers etc. all using power. A conservative estimate is about 10% of rated power. Since they are only making about 180 (on average) after you subtract another 40 megawatts you are left with 140 Megawatts of energy delivered to the grid. It is like you buying diesel fuel for your fuel tank on the farm and the delivery truck uses fuel from the tank to drive the tanker to your farm – but you pay for the amount of fuel that he pumped into his tanker before he left the fuel depot.
All electric generation stations do this, Nuclear, coal, gas, hydro, wind, whatever. At least with Nuclear the percentage of “house” power is much less than with wind.
Where is the house power of a passive, fixed tilt solar farm? You might have two employees housed there in a small building and a couple vehicles parked outside.
Suggest you look up the definition of Heliostat Any source will do Here is one from the State of CA describing Ivanpah. From http://www.energy.ca.gov/sitingcases/ivanpah/index.html
“Electricity would be produced by each plant’s Solar Receiver Boiler and the steam turbine generator. The heliostat mirrors would be arranged around each solar receiver boiler. Each mirror tracks the sun throughout the day and reflects the solar energy to the receiver boiler. The heliostats would be 7.2-feet high by 10.5-feet wide (2.20-meters by 3.20-meters) yielding a reflecting surface of 75.6 square feet (7.04 square meters). They would be arranged in arcs around the solar boiler towers asymmetrically.”
To assume that each heliostat only uses 1 watt (absurdly over conservative) means it is using 173,500 watts. It is probably more on the order of 10 watts each. Wikipedia claims it deploys 173,500 heliostats. I did not count them, you can. And there is still the matter of all of the pumps needed to pump the water that makes the steam and the salt that is heated that heats the water, and, etc. etc. etc.
PV solar farm that is
And which PV Solar farms are you speaking of. Rancho Seco Solar PV has sun tracking panels. I have seen them move. Many others do. Further my estimation of 10 watts was rather low. They draw 1 amp at 125 volts or 125 watts. Multiply that by 173,500 = 21,687,500 watts or 22 megawatts.
Worse yet, control system at most power stations are energized 24/7/365 which means these controllers are using 40 megawatts even when they are not making electricity. Or do you know of a mini-solar panel on each that is powering each of these control systems.
We called it “power-for-power” in my corporation. Power houses have energy requirements, and solar plants obviously can’t get their electricity from their own generation.
Actually here in the UK., solar tidal flow and tidal barrage are all more expensive than offshore wind, which is only three times wind onshore, which is only three times what coal costs..
Old-timer train drivers knew they had to start the fires at 06:00, to be ready to roll by 07:30, but the modern ‘scientist’ does not. I really do think we are going backwards….
Good lively essay.
“underpredicted the cloud cover”? Where have we heard that before?
So this is how the story of the burning bush got started. It was a misplaced mirror.
A gas-powered solar power plant is pretty damned funny.
Is the water well pumping record a public document? Or is it in the permit application?
The engineering companies who’ve worked on it love this cash cow (cash cow for them … not for anyone else). In addition to underestimating the negative impact of the Southwestern Monsoon’s cloud cover, I have to wonder if this thing is not making its own weather. There must be a heck of a thermal above it (ergo cumulus development).
Talk about making your own weather, when you take a trip look in the sky above and down wind of a large mall in a city out in the countryside away from the city. You will see a cloud caused by the evaporative coolers used for the mall HVAC unit. Summer and winter. Some of these can be seen on Google/Bing Maps with the satellite view. What do they do to AGW?
This disaster will be propped up until another administration inherits the failure.
No wonder Google held large fund raising events for the Bird Scorcher-in-Chief. It was for this and the near zero tax on foreign earnings game they were running.
$2.2 billion is an insane price for a power plant, whose average annual output is 45.6 MW, of which 13% is generated by burning natural gas, therefore only 39.7 MW is generated by solar power.
It would be 50 times cheaper to sell &. uninstall 347,000 mirrors, 75.6 square feet each, and use natural gas all the time, including nights.
That way habitat of the desert tortoise would be saved along with $1.6 billion public money and no mass killing of birds would occur ever. Looks like fair trade.
It’s not insane if you are on the receiving end of that money!
It pays to have friends in the White House and Congress, doesn’t it? Myself, I have to pay for everything I have and if I earn more, I keep less.
We certainly have the best government money can buy.
Willis Eschenbach,
a needed compilation.
energy for free – ever seen a documentary of everyday maintanenance on north sea wind parks.
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war name ‘VikingExplorer’, stepping in Trotzki’s shoes:
yes, you dwell on troubles. As wall street dwells on ‘volatibilty’.
Sly. You’ve got youre share.
Asking for more?
Hans
volatility
of course. Thx. Hans
Lateral thinking. Breed many flying ducks in the water recovery ponds. Form a joint venture with KFC, then you are cooking with gas 4 hours a day. Get the Law on side with special discounts for Beaks. Get pilots aboard with the promise of some free old boilers.
………..,
Jokes aside, think about some energy flow paths at Ivanpah. Before it was built, those square miles of land were part of the natural cycles of radiating energy upwards and cooling the earth. After building, there is much ground in shadow, radiating and cooling the ground less than before. Much of the radiated heat is now diverted away from escaping to space so directly, making instead some detours through boilers, steam turbines, electrical devces.
In essence, Ivanpah has altered the natural energy flow processes, trapping heat energy near the ground and delaying its escape to space.
Which are precisely the main reasons why so many people are scared stupid by greenhose gases.
GHG work has already been criticised for taking too little advice from statisticians. Maybe more diagnostic logicians are needed as well.