Full copy of the Pope's expected "climate encyclical" leaked, with translated sections

A copy of the Pope’s expected “climate encyclical” (in Italian) was leaked to the Italian press today.

climate-pope-coverOur friend Maurizio Morabito (who speaks Italian) translates and advises via email that his impression is that this is going to be seen as a “damp squib”.

He points to this paragraph in particular (translated mostly by Google Translate so there may be inaccuracy):

For poor countries, the priority should be the eradication of poverty and social development of their inhabitants; at the same time the scandalous level of consumption of certain privileged sectors of their population must be considered and better counter corruption. Of course, they must also develop less polluting forms energy production, but for this they have need to rely on help from countries that are grown much at the expense of pollution today the planet. The direct exploitation of abundant solar energy requires that you establish mechanisms and subsidies so that developing countries can have access to technology transfer, for technical assistance and financial resources, but always paying attention to concrete conditions, since the compatibility of the systems with the context for which they are proposed is not always properly assessed. The costs would be low when compared to risk of climate change. In any case, it is above all an ethical choice, based on solidarity of all peoples.

E. Calvin Beisner sends this translation of some other sections:

Here is a rough translation of the climate change portion of the Pope’s encyclical, Laudato Si, based on the L’Espresso published leak this morning in Rome (numbers followed by periods are presumably section numbers; other numbers are presumably page numbers):

 

The climate as a common good

  1. The climate is a common good of all and for all. It, globally, is a complex system in relation to many conditions essential for human life. Scientific consensus exists that indicates that we are very firm in

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presence of a worrisome warming of the climate system. In recent decades, that the heating was accompanied by the constant rise in the sea level, and is also hard not to relate it to the increase in extreme weather events, regardless of the fact that we can not attribute a cause scientifically determined at each particular phenomenon. Humanity is called to become aware of the need to change lifestyles, production and consumption, to combat this heating or, at least, the human causes that produce or accentuate. It is true that there are other factors (such as volcanism, and the variations of the orbit of the Earth, the solar cycle), but numerous scientific studies indicate that most of the global warming of recent decades is due to the large concentration of greenhouse gases (carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide and other) issued mainly because of human activity. Their concentrations in the atmosphere prevents the heat of sunlight reflected by the earth being dispersed in space. This is especially enhanced by the development model based on the intensive use of fossil fuels, which is at the center of the world energy system. It has also affected the increase in the practice of land-use change, mainly deforestation for agricultural purposes.

  1. In turn, the heating has effects on the carbon cycle. It creates a vicious cycle that exacerbates the situation even more and that will affect

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on the availability of essential resources such as drinking water, energy and agricultural production of the hottest areas, and will result in the extinction of the planet’s biodiversity. The melting of polar ice and high altitude threat of those escaping at high risk of methane gas, and the decomposition of organic matter frozen could further accentuate the emission of carbon dioxide. In turn, the loss of tropical forests makes things worse, since they help to mitigate climate change. The pollution produced by carbon dioxide increase the acidity of the oceans and impairs the marine food chain. If the current trend continues, this century could be witnessed climate change inau- fingers and unprecedented destruction of ecosystems, with serious consequences for all of us. Rising sea levels, for example, can create situations of extreme gravity when we consider that a quarter of the world population lives by the sea or very close to it, and most of the megacities are located in coastal areas.

  1. Climate change is a global problem with serious environmental implications, social, economic, and political distribution, area and are one of the main current challenges for humanity. Impacts heavier probably will fall in the coming decades on developing countries. Many poor people living in particularly

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affected by phenomena related to heating, and their livelihoods depend heavily from nature reserves and by so-called ecosystem services, such as agriculture, fisheries and forestry. They have no other financial resources and other resources that enable them to adapt to climate impacts or deal with catastrophic situations, and have little access to social services and protection. For example, climate change give rise to migration of animals and plants that can not always adapt themselves, and this in turn affects the productive resources of the poor, and they also see ob- bligati to migrate great uncertainty about the future of their lives and their children. Tragically, the increase of migrants fleeing poverty exacerbated by environmental degradation, which are not recognized as refugees will in international conventions and carry the burden of their lives abandoned without any protection legislation. Unfortunately there is a general indifference to these tragedies, which still occur in different parts of the world. The lack of responses to these dramaturgical me of our brothers and sisters is a sign of the loss of the sense of responsibility for our fellow men that underpin any civilized society.

  1. Many of those who hold more resources and economic or political power seem to concentrate mainly in the mask problems and hide the symptoms, just trying to reduce some of the negative impacts of climate change.

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But many signs indicate that these effects Po- tranno always be worse if we continue with current patterns of production and consumption. Therefore it has become urgent and compelling policy development in the coming years so that the emission of carbon dioxide and other heavily polluting gas is reduced drastically, for example, by replacing fossil fuels and by developing renewable energy sources. In the world there is a small level of access to clean and renewable energy. There is still a need to develop appropriate technologies for accumulation. However, in some countries there have been advances that are beginning to be significant, although they are far from reaching a significant proportion. There were also some investments in modali- ty of production and transportation that use less energy and require fewer raw materials, as well as mode of construction or renovation of buildings which do best- no energy efficiency. But these good practices are far from becoming general.

 

A full copy of the “climate encyclical” (in Italian) can be seen here (PDF)

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Eliza
June 15, 2015 6:22 pm

This is why I am leaving the catholic church. It no longer represents a creator.

Reply to  Eliza
June 15, 2015 6:25 pm

Exactly, Eliza. The Pope believes the eco-fanatics control the climate? He is not in alliance with the teachings in the Bible, Old or New Testament.

E.M.Smith
Editor
Reply to  1957chev
June 15, 2015 9:34 pm

I found it funny that El Papa was endorsing science as controlling God’s nature… Just amazing. Keep this up and he will be saying that man created God in his own image…
The world truly is upside down.

Reply to  1957chev
June 15, 2015 9:36 pm

He has joined the War On PLANT FOOD. Kinda makes ya wonder.

noaaprogrammer
Reply to  1957chev
June 15, 2015 9:54 pm

After the destruction of the Noachian Flood, God promised to never do that again to the Earth. But he never said he wouldn’t use other means. How capricious! Does the pope have an explanation why God is now allowing man to destroy the Earth with CO2? /sacrilege off

Leonard Lane
Reply to  1957chev
June 15, 2015 11:15 pm

Sad, and what a tragedy for his faithful followers who do believe in God.

Jquip
Reply to  Eliza
June 15, 2015 7:07 pm

“And God saw Ivanpah, and, behold, it was very good.” — Genesis 1:31
Apparently it’s in the Latin translations.

Reply to  Jquip
June 16, 2015 6:15 am

…. and the beasts of the air were mightily attracted to Ivanpah, and fried.

Reply to  Jquip
June 16, 2015 9:34 am

Feeds the hungry. If you are quick enough. Loaves, fishes, and cooked birds. Manna from heaven.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Eliza
June 15, 2015 7:50 pm

Eliza,
I am troubled by this encyclical. I was hoping that the efforts of Marc, Lord Chris, et al would have precipitated a roll back. It seems that the language is a wet fish or damp squib so to speak.
The Encyclical in NOT INFALLIBLE TEACHING As such, since I know more about the subject of global warming than its author, I chose to ignore any recommendations extant from this erroneous clap-trap.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05413a.htm
I intend to stay fast and rebel and continue to call out the control of CO2 as the socialist plot that it is.
I do not believe the religious leaders in the UN when they say that humanity is causing my planet to warm.
I, therefore do not believe the Vatican, when the quote the anti-Christian UN that asserts that the 1) earth is warming and 2) that is the result of human activity.
Fear not for the Vatican is only contributing to its future incredibility in its bargain with the demonic UN for popularity. It will regret this encyclical.
Therefore we ought to continue to struggle for the truth and what is right.
I have other complaints about the whole wealth transfer tone of the encyclical but it is a bit of a damp squib.

Herbs
Reply to  Paul Westhaver
June 15, 2015 8:35 pm

Furthermore, the writ is intellectually poor, a school child’s litany of platitudes. But at least the social cost of enforcing ‘alternative’ energies is mentioned.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Paul Westhaver
June 15, 2015 8:44 pm

I saw that. There is a crack that Bjorn Lomborg can drive a TRUCK through. I say that is the weakness…. in trying to help the poor, the church has facilitated by legitimation, the extermination and permanent enslavement of the poor.

marque2
Reply to  Paul Westhaver
June 15, 2015 9:09 pm

It’s for funding. Dirty secret is Catholic charities are largely fundedby government, and governments are getting fed up with their un PC views – so agree with the governments on AGW and the governments will keep the gravy train going, plus the church can get more funding to save the poor from AGW.

noaaprogrammer
Reply to  Paul Westhaver
June 15, 2015 10:04 pm

The church could start funding the poor by liquidating all of its assets it has accumulated over the centuries.

VikingExplorer
Reply to  Paul Westhaver
June 15, 2015 11:50 pm

Well said Paul.

Reply to  Paul Westhaver
June 16, 2015 8:34 am

I agree with you and am somewhat relieved. Some people don’t realize it but it has long been the Church’s approach that if the growth of human knowledge conflicts with a traditional belief than our understanding in other words the belief was in error.
I was very worried that by taking a strong stand in an attempt to appease the left wing that the church could stray into a scientific foolishness that would make the Galileo affair a minor error.
In that mess Urban the VIII had numerous people, including several of the world’s leading astronomers claiming Galileo was wrong. Mostly because Galileo was such an arrogant jerk and had been embarrassingly and abusively wrong about other things like comets.
I think we all know, including the CAGW fanatics, that there is no likelihood of Carbon Dioxide causing dramatic warming. The hypothesis has failed too many tests. I am therefore relieved that the Church has not tied themselves closely to this foolish and dishonest cause.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Paul Westhaver
June 16, 2015 11:37 am

Paul Nevins,
Agreed. The Urban VIII approach was ok had it not been for the hostile reformation and a certain brand of biblical literalism from the protestants, later attributed unfairly to the Council. Today the Church is following the dominant (sadly) scientific position. In 1631, the Church HAD embraced the Copernican (revolutionary) view, against the dominant position of popular “science” They are still being chastised for that.
So I understand the hesitancy to assume a skeptics posture. They cannot win no matter what they say.
Unfortunately, when the dust settles, Francis et al will be excoriated as anti-science anyway. Yes, as you say, it will be worse than the Galileo affair.

Max Totten
Reply to  Paul Westhaver
June 16, 2015 12:05 pm

The church of Rome has often misinterpreted the word of God. They for example believe in ‘social justice’ and have promoted a society such as existed before modern industry. This is similar to the aim of Eviromentalists and Islam. The Bible however is critical of the lazy and unproductive. Read Luke 19 or the parable of the talents. Jesus would not praise those left coal and oil in the ground.
Max

Reply to  Paul Westhaver
June 16, 2015 1:56 pm

A piece of research……from Japan try to demonstrate that a warmer earth is conductive to a much higher proportion of Females being born than Males. The pope should be pleased, females attend church in a higher proportion than males, are, at times, instrumental in the religious indoctrination of the offspring (mainly Females!!), so what’s the Vatican complaining about? They should embrace the EVER so warming earth!! On the other hand, it will probably cost them a few extra zillions, initially, to build new and EVER so grandiose and bigger Churches. I would say (Grant needed) that the amount spend by the Vatican in building new places to accommodate more women that were born because of rising temperatures would be amortized by the extra donations in say …50 Years!! EVER in Gaia…..

Reply to  Eliza
June 15, 2015 7:51 pm

That is SO good.

AB
Reply to  Eliza
June 15, 2015 7:54 pm

Jesus instructed his disciples thus.
Matt 10:8
Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
The church is not doing this.
Gaia and materialism has led the church up the garden path. Anyone doubting this needs to visit the Vatican. I have twice with my now ex Catholic wife.

Reply to  AB
June 15, 2015 8:21 pm

You’re right – they’re (USA & Vatican) both federal governments & they are not looking too good re: innovation – REAL or SPIRITUAL. The future is bottom-up, not top-down!

Reply to  AB
June 15, 2015 9:22 pm

The church also has bad relations with a certain healing plant. Caused by a mistranslation. Hebrew Etymology

Robert B
Reply to  AB
June 15, 2015 11:07 pm

A little thought goes a long way, M Simon.
What would you put together with myrhh, cinnamon, cassia and olive oil to make a perfume?
One of the other suggestions for Kaneh Bosem that have a nice lemon grass or cinnamon aroma
or cannabis?

tonyM
Reply to  AB
June 16, 2015 12:39 am

AB;
I have been a few times too. What exactly did u see that I may have missed?
Seems to me it has some of the least expensive admission tickets to some of the finest art in the world. St Peter’s was free unless you happened to dress inappropriately – in which case you would not be allowed to enter. I’m not even a practicing Catholic.

AB
Reply to  AB
June 16, 2015 4:23 am

tonyM
You answered your own question.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  AB
June 16, 2015 4:43 am

AB, You are simply wrong. The Roman Catholic Church is the largest non-government provider of health care services in the world. It has around 18,000 clinics, 16,000 homes for the elderly and those with special needs, and 5,500 hospitals, with 65 per cent of them located in developing countries. In 2010, the Church’s Pontifical Council for Pastoral Assistance to Health Care Workers said that the Church manages 26% of the world’s health care facilities.
We may have grievances with the Vatican on CO2, but it is doing a terrific job at healing the sick. Better than any other organization.

AB
Reply to  AB
June 16, 2015 5:23 am

Paul,
I think you missed the point. The founder of Christianity did not use material means to heal and revive humanity, nor did those who followed him or the prophets who preceded him. What you are describing is a quasi religious extension of temporal government activity, however I am not criticising this but pointing out an inconsistency, which makes it so much easier for the Pope to buy into a ” temporal” political cause, one we know is “fallible”. My Catholic friends are like yourself far from happy about this.

tonyM
Reply to  AB
June 16, 2015 8:19 am

AB:
Then you have not understood my statement for it adds nothing to my observations and question.
It may highlight a marked difference in how we view art and spirituality. You are entitled to your opinion and view of course.

Reply to  AB
June 16, 2015 9:41 am

AB,
Of course they used material means. The oil was a medicine. We know how to replicate it and it is known to do the very things described. It is illegal. And the church is against it.
See my: June 15, 2015 at 9:22 pm link and read the linked article.

Antonia
Reply to  Eliza
June 15, 2015 8:21 pm

This is terrible. Who would have thought Fancis could be so stupid as to give his name and authority to such embarrassing and unscientific rubbish.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Antonia
June 15, 2015 8:46 pm

…me.. but only since he has made so numerous “slips of the tongue” that I can’t invest the time to do damage control.

MarkW
Reply to  Antonia
June 15, 2015 9:41 pm

Unfortunately this pope has let ideology over rule theology so many times in the past, that I’m not surprised that he’s done it again.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Eliza
June 15, 2015 11:20 pm

Any religion that’s more interested in maintaining a monopoly on spirituality than spirituality itself is doomed. By their fruits you shall know them. The Church is meddling in politics and doesn’t know it. Pathetic.

Alba
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
June 16, 2015 2:22 am

Oh dear. A Church meddling in politics. What was all that fuss about Pope Pius XII and the Holocaust?

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
June 16, 2015 4:38 am

Pope Pius XII assisted 11 to 26,000 Jews flee Poland and Germany even though Hitler promised to destroy the Church if it interfered with Germany waging war. Also the NYT ran an editorial article in 1942 declaring that Pope Pius helped the Jews during the holocaust.
http://www.catholicleague.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Pius-XII-Christmas-Ad-2012-NYT-Salutes-For-Site1.pdf

Reply to  jorgekafkazar
June 16, 2015 9:46 am

Paul,
But he did not call on the faithful to resist Hitler. Which probably would have saved more that 26,000. And if it caused the destruction of “Rome” ? The Church would have been reborn. As Christ was.

Brint
Reply to  Eliza
June 16, 2015 12:27 am

The church has survived having foolish popes and even wolves-in-sheeps-clothing popes before. It will survive this one. I will remain a member of the church, but I’ve long since decided that my usual contribution to the collection plate is better placed in the poor box or sent to charities such as Little Sisters of the Poor.
This pope is too political compared to the prior (theologian) Benedict, and even John Paul II – though political – tempered that strongly with a firm and grounded theological foundation. Francis feels like he is a politician first and a priest second.

the1pag
Reply to  Brint
June 16, 2015 10:13 am

This pope was schooled to become anti-capitalist (pseudo-communalist?) in Argentina, where welching on bonds is a national art-form. He was elected in the Vatican to be infallible in matters of “faith and morals” and deserves to be excommunicated for co-opting the new AGW religion’s heresies.

mark
Reply to  Eliza
June 16, 2015 5:14 am

Wow. This is the only reason?

Shawn Marshall
Reply to  Eliza
June 16, 2015 9:43 am

do not leave the church please – we need good people to offset this goofy pope.

James Stagg
Reply to  Eliza
June 16, 2015 8:18 pm

‘Bye.

June 15, 2015 6:26 pm

The church has lasted 2000 years, it will last a few more even with this idiot as Pope.

MarkW
Reply to  Dan Koch
June 15, 2015 9:42 pm

The church will go on.
The Catholic Church, I’m not so sure.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  MarkW
June 15, 2015 11:21 pm

Well put.

June 15, 2015 6:27 pm

Also great news all the time and money with have spent om stopping global warming worked. Woohoo!

June 15, 2015 6:29 pm

I’m going to be hard-pressed to not yell out and correct our priest during his talk if he says something that is untrue…

tom s
Reply to  kramer
June 15, 2015 7:44 pm

DO IT!!

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  kramer
June 15, 2015 7:51 pm

Do it. But do so privately and respectfully. You have facts on your side.

Reply to  Paul Westhaver
June 16, 2015 2:49 pm

Well said.

Philipoftaos
Reply to  kramer
June 15, 2015 8:40 pm

And the truth will set you free.

MarkW
Reply to  kramer
June 15, 2015 9:46 pm

I used to be a member of the Episcopal Church, one morning when in the middle of the sermon, the priest started going on about how important it was to raise taxes so that govt could spend more on the poor.
I got up and walked out. When asked what I was doing I replied that I had thought I was there for a church service, not a ignorant lecture on faulty economic policy and to let me know when they decided to be a church again.
I haven’t been back to an Episcopal Service in almost 20 years.

asybot
Reply to  MarkW
June 15, 2015 10:59 pm

@MarkW, I had the same reaction but 48 years ago in the RC, the money ” tithe” that my father gave the church every Sunday could have been sorely used to buy us a better meal or a better pair of shoes. Beside the fact the “representative of the lord” used to come by once a week for a meal and a refreshment after made me a none believer pretty fast and I have not been back since. The blather in this report ( although I’ll wait for a full translation) if correct is total BS.

June 15, 2015 6:35 pm

Every time I hear something about the “common good” I’m reminded of a couple of quotes by another religious opinioneer, C.S.Lewis:
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive.”
“What we call Man’s power over Nature turns out to be a power exercised by some men over other men with Nature as its instrument.”
“We all want progress, but if you’re on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.”

Reply to  Notanist
June 16, 2015 8:42 am

CS Lewis was a famously devout Catholic. Interesting in the context of the surrounding statements. I wonder if perhaps some of the Catholic bashing is from people who really not that well informed.

Dermot
Reply to  Paul Nevins
June 16, 2015 9:40 am

CS Lewis never actually became a Catholic, remaining an Anglican. He was though great friends with J R Tolkein who was a devote Catholic.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Paul Nevins
June 16, 2015 11:50 am

Notanist,
Agreed. Tyranny is worse delivered by friends with smilies faces.
Paul,
I am unsure about this. I think CS Lewis remained a devote Anglican after his conversion to Christianity, though I acknowledge his work was philosophically Roman Catholic. He was great fiends with Tolkien, a Catholic, and loved GK Chesterton’s work. Sorry if I am wrong.

Philipoftaos
Reply to  Paul Nevins
June 16, 2015 2:35 pm

Your Catholic faith should be about ones faith in Christ and his teaching, sometimes Priests and even Popes misinterpret the message. Please don’t loss your Faith because Popes and Priests are fallible. Every one can make a mistake, listen to bad advise or bad information. Sorry don’t want to be to preachy, I know the Pope and the Church aren’t perfect but I will still be Catholic.

June 15, 2015 6:36 pm

Eliza don’t leave. The Church will be around to the end. When it gets into matters outside its sphere of God given authority and inspiration if frequently looks and acts foolishly. I sent this e-mail to my daughter earlier today.
“Our pope was scammed. The damage to his moral authority will be immense if what we are reading holds true. Sex Scandals, economy wrecking progressive bias, administrative cowardice of Bishops, the clergy portrayed as pedophiles and homosexuals, have all seriously injured the Western church. This move by the Pope if true is another sign of foolishness in high places and an excuse to further disengage from the Clerisy that has ill become the Bride of Christ. Of course a Papal encyclical on politicized scientific issues buttressed by manipulated climate data and air headed computer models has zero moral weight. Now on the issue of rich nations injuring poor nations that is not so much a reach. The wealthy love money and most will do the darnedest things, frequently immoral things to get more money. Nations run by the wealthy will mistreat nations run by the wealthy by buying the corrupt leadership of the poorer nation. It is corrupt individuals, greedy, money loving individuals from nations rich and poor who wound the poor and ignorant. Not nations but individual sinners are perpetrators. This collectivist mind set imputing collectivist guilt on a corporate nation is balderdash. It implies of course that a collectivist government led by leftist leaders will somehow improve the outcomes. The opposite of course is true. Collectivist leaders are as, if not more, venal as democrat/republican leaders. Further, their outcomes are worse because they have totalitarian power over the collective. I hope my Pope has not beclowned himself and further injured the moral authority of our dear Church.

tom s
Reply to  GERALD KERR
June 15, 2015 7:50 pm

Oh he has…he has indeed.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  GERALD KERR
June 15, 2015 7:51 pm

yep…

Reply to  GERALD KERR
June 15, 2015 9:51 pm

“damp squib?” Is there a glabaloney lie he has missed? He looks like a total fool to me.

Reply to  GERALD KERR
June 16, 2015 2:52 pm

That’s good reading, Gerald.

charlie
June 15, 2015 6:36 pm

This pope is the anti-Christ.the end times are under way

Reply to  charlie
June 15, 2015 10:19 pm

Well the present pope is a slacker compared to Benedictus IX (c. 1030) who sold his papacy, later reclaiming it, was accused of committing murders, and who held homosexual orgies in the papal living quarters.

Reply to  charlie
June 16, 2015 12:33 am

They said that about every pope for the last… oh, 1500 years or so.

Cold in Wisconsin
June 15, 2015 6:39 pm

The Catholic Church has travelled down this foolish path before. When will they learn to stay focussed on their spiritual mission rather than get embroiled in this controversy.

June 15, 2015 6:42 pm

Full circle since Galileo (pun intended) – put us on trial.

June 15, 2015 6:42 pm

Did anybody see who the Pope talked to last year on this topic? Some of them are Joseph Stiglitz, Clinton’s former econ advisor and a member of socialist international. Jeffery Sachs who you can see giving a speech at the party of european socialists (itself part of socialist international). Sachs’ Earth Institute also lists George Soros as some kind of external advisor. Another person that was at the meeting last years has ties to Rockefeller.
The Pope also said that governments should redistribute wealth to the poor (he’s advocating socialism) and he gave communism a backhanded compliment.
I worry that the left has infiltrated my church.

Reply to  kramer
June 15, 2015 7:23 pm

I worry that the left has infiltrated my church.
After Pope John Paul II faced down the Soviet Union, the hierarchy of the Catholic Church was targeted by the KGB/FSB. They have a lot of patience. The current Pope is the result. Now they have their puppet in the Vatican.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  dbstealey
June 15, 2015 7:54 pm

Hmmm. I a beginning to believe that is true in a number of aspects that are not suitable for WUWT forums. On Climate , if His Holiness publishes this thing, he will leave a pile of crap for the next pope to clean up.

Wagen
Reply to  dbstealey
June 16, 2015 1:32 am

From Lewandowsky with love.
Kisses!

icouldnthelpit
Reply to  dbstealey
June 18, 2015 12:12 am

(Another wasted effort by a banned sockpuppet. Comment DELETED. -mod)

Wagen
Reply to  dbstealey
June 18, 2015 3:47 pm

@theonewhocouldn’thelpit
It was a reference to the spy movie “from Russia with love”.
Kgb/fsb infiltration of the Roman Catholic Church! 😀

karabar
Reply to  kramer
June 15, 2015 7:26 pm

The Left has infiltrated ALL of the (mainstream) churches, and it didn’t happen just yesterday.

asybot
Reply to  karabar
June 15, 2015 11:06 pm

Try and find a book “And not a shot fired” by a Check gov official Jan Kozak written about the post WWII infiltration of the Western bureaucracy through refugees etc. It is an eye opener and largely ignored, google it.

tom s
Reply to  kramer
June 15, 2015 7:52 pm

Noooo….you don’t say? (/sarcasm)

Robert B
Reply to  kramer
June 15, 2015 10:16 pm

The cardinals that would stand up to Satan’s little helper are being harassed by the Left as well.

Donb
June 15, 2015 6:44 pm

“We can contend with the evil that men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect us from what they do in the name of good.”
Herodius

mike
June 15, 2015 6:50 pm

Dear Pope,
You and your church have more than enough pressing real problems to resolve. Pls stay on church mission/message and pls stay out of things you don’t know about. Or simply just stfu.

Patrick bols
Reply to  mike
June 15, 2015 7:03 pm

Same for Mr. Obama

Reply to  mike
June 16, 2015 1:13 am

Ditto.

joelobryan
June 15, 2015 6:54 pm

The Vatican, and most especially the Curia, is motivated by one thing… money. At the heart of any bad period in the Catholic Church’s history, it was always somehow rooted in a flow of money, whether it was the wealth flowing back from the New World or priest se abuse cover-ups, it was about maintaining a flow of money to the Vatican.
This Pope has been promised a piece of the $100 Billion Climate AId fund to its various Catholic charities. But of course, The Holy See takes an overhead slice (its piece of the action) of all that Aid money going to its missions and charities in the 3rd World poor countries. He is trying to wrest control of the Vatican bureaucracy from the money controllers, but he needs money to do that. This Climate encyclical is about the money promised by the UNFCCC delegation to those Church charities. For the Pope to get control of the Curia, he needs to control their money flow. With the Climate Aid money he can hold a stronger hand.

Reply to  joelobryan
June 15, 2015 7:49 pm

So by helping to retain the poor in an impoverished state, the Church gets to continue the missions of helping the poor. That is what I would call ‘saintly’ business.

noaaprogrammer
Reply to  kokoda
June 15, 2015 10:17 pm

It’s also the modus operandi of the left in secular governments.

joelobryan
Reply to  kokoda
June 15, 2015 11:15 pm

Write the non-fiction book, “Buying the Vatican – How the UN bought a church.”

Reply to  kokoda
June 16, 2015 6:31 am

Write the non-fiction book, “Buying the Vatican – How the UN bought a church.”
Greatest line ever on WUWT

tonyM
Reply to  joelobryan
June 16, 2015 1:23 am

Seems like petty cash when the World Bank is asking for US$89 Trillion. Do you think he should up the stakes?
Perhaps he is just voicing it as he sees it without embellishment or other emollients. I see little purpose in someone his age simply having power, money or whatever else if it does not fit in with his philosophy.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  joelobryan
June 16, 2015 4:27 am

Jeolobryan,
I hope this is not true but if you have some citations and references on this I would like to read them. Please post them if you can.

Reply to  joelobryan
June 16, 2015 8:49 am

This is not actually true, though I understand your view. The Vatican does not take a slice out of mission funds. Follow my website link I have worked with missions for years. Money occasionally comes from the Vatican but money donated to missions does not go to the Vatican. Some people like the Knights of Columbus donate substantial amounts to the Popes discretionary funds. But as a whole the Vatican budget is pretty tight especially for the size of the organization.
I admit this Pope makes me nervous but don’t get carried away. That only helps our real enemies.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Paul Nevins
June 16, 2015 11:52 am

Thanks, though your response was to Joelobryan.

John Greenfraud
June 15, 2015 6:56 pm

“Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!” Isaiah 5:20

Leonard Lane
Reply to  John Greenfraud
June 15, 2015 11:39 pm

Very true John. It is driven by leftist politics and politically correctness is a major weapon to squash any reason-based opposition.

Reply to  John Greenfraud
June 16, 2015 3:08 pm

That’s a perfect & fitting scripture for so much occurring currently in our political / media world…

June 15, 2015 6:59 pm

I’m distressed to see this predictably infantile pontification. It’s a horrible missed opportunity to synthesize a useful approach to 21st Century environmental action. Climate Change is officially a religion now.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  flavrt
June 15, 2015 7:55 pm

oh yeah

Dawtgtomis
Reply to  flavrt
June 15, 2015 8:21 pm

Here’s the bumper sticker:
Follow Me to…
Model Fellowship of Mann
Church of the Omnipotent Greenhouse in Carbon
“Believe or be prosecuted.”

Reply to  flavrt
June 15, 2015 11:05 pm

XLNT

Charlie
June 15, 2015 6:59 pm

I don’t think for a minute that the Pope believes in the science of anthropogenic climate change. It is pretty clear to me now that this particular pope was put there for a reason that has nothing to do with God. This whole thing is his world view and his politics. Why do we need a governing body for a spiritual practice again? has that ever gone over well ever in history?

Stein Gral
Reply to  Charlie
June 16, 2015 5:38 am

Fully agree !

Harold
June 15, 2015 6:59 pm

Banal.

gator69
June 15, 2015 7:02 pm

Before we come to class and Range the Sciences, ’tis proper we should sift the merits of Knowledge, or clear it of the Disgrace brought upon it by Ignorance, wether disguised as (1.) the Zeal of the Divines, (2.) the Arrogance of Politicians, or (3.) the Errors of Men of Letters.
-Sir Francis Bacon, “Advancement of Learning”, 1605 (Father of the Scientific Method)

Reply to  gator69
June 15, 2015 7:27 pm

Ha ha perfect! I’m stealing that Bacon quote for my new email sig. 🙂

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Notanist
June 15, 2015 7:56 pm

It this Roger Bacon 1261 AD was the Father of the Scientific Method.

gator69
Reply to  Paul Westhaver
June 16, 2015 6:00 am

Francis Bacon, 1st Viscount St. Alban,[1][a] Kt QC PC (/ˈbeɪkən/; 22 January 1561 – 9 April 1626), was an English philosopher, statesman, scientist, jurist, orator, essayist and author. He served both as Attorney General and Lord Chancellor of England. After his death, he remained extremely influential through his works, especially as philosophical advocate and practitioner of the scientific method during the scientific revolution.
Bacon has been called the father of empiricism.[4] His works established and popularised inductive methodologies for scientific inquiry, often called the Baconian method, or simply the scientific method.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bacon
Roger Bacon, OFM (/ˈbeɪkən/; c. 1214 – June 1292?; scholastic accolade Doctor Mirabilis, meaning “wonderful teacher”), was an English philosopher and Franciscan friar who placed considerable emphasis on the study of nature through empirical methods. He is sometimes credited (mainly since the nineteenth century) as one of the earliest European advocates of the modern scientific method inspired by Aristotle and later Arabic scholars such as the Muslim scientist Alhazen.[2] However, more recent re-evaluations emphasise that he was essentially a medieval thinker, with much of his “experimental” knowledge obtained from books, in the scholastic tradition.[3] A survey of how Bacon’s work was received over the centuries found that it often reflected the concerns and controversies that were central to his readers.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Bacon

June 15, 2015 7:04 pm

The pope has never been married, has never had children, and has never had an intimate relationship with another human, and is not a trained specialists in matters concerning these … yet he is supposedly god’s mouth-piece on these issues. Now, the same man is god’s supposed mouth-piece on Global Warming, Climate Change, and Anthropogenic Climate Disruption … having no background in the science.
It’s an upside down world we live in.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Pavel
June 15, 2015 7:58 pm

Nope This is an encyclical… not infallible teaching on morality or faith so… in effect it is just an opinion of a guy with a well-known track record.

Admin
June 15, 2015 7:07 pm

All the Pope is going to achieve is a new reason for schism.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Eric Worrall
June 15, 2015 8:00 pm

Eric, the vast majority of the money for the church comes from the donations from “polluters” here in the USA. The USA will cause a problem on this subject as well as many more that are already brewing.

June 15, 2015 7:09 pm

Shame on the Pope! Stay focused on matters of God, sir.

pat
June 15, 2015 7:09 pm

interpretation from Salon!
16 June: Salon: Lindsay Abrams: A draft of the pope’s big climate encyclical leaked early — and it has a damning message about humankind’s environmental destruction
But this early draft is about as damning as climate activists could have hoped for (and climate deniers could have feared), combining the science of climate change with a moral imperative to act. It acknowledges that human activity is the main cause of global warming, and that fossil fuels — coal, oil and even natural gas — are ***evil, their use permissible only as a temporary solution while the world transitions to a renewable energy economy…
“If the current trend continues,” it warns, “this century could be witness to unheard of climate change and unprecedented destruction of ecosystems, with serious consequences for all of us.”…
In one uncharacteristic section, the encyclical makes a specific policy directive: it rejects the use of carbon credits, arguing instead for the direct reduction of emissions…
An encyclical, as Charles Reid Jr., an expert on Catholicism and canon law, recently explained to Salon, ”is the highest form of papal teaching. It is solemn, it is expected that Catholics should take it very seriously:
***”They’re obliged to read it carefully, and to follow it.” …
http://www.salon.com/2015/06/15/a_draft_of_the_popes_big_climate_encyclical_leaked_early_and_it_has_a_damning_message_about_humankinds_environmental_destruction/
***Charles Reid Jr., an expert??? on Catholicism & canon law says Catholics must follow!
much like Italians follow the ban on contraception?

Neo
June 15, 2015 7:15 pm

The last time the Vatican got into the science business in a big way, it didn’t end too well.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Neo
June 15, 2015 8:01 pm

The Vatican, in this case is listening to the so-called scientists this time. This time it is the scientists at the UN that are misleading the Church.

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  Neo
June 15, 2015 9:41 pm

Neo, you are hinting at the Galileo thing. Remember that the Church was only following the scientific consensus for centuries. Ptolemy got it wrong. The Church accepted the model. Don’t let the scientists escape their responsibility and shift the blame for being wrong onto the Church.
The thing that is different this go-round is that many of the ‘scientists’ are supporting the CAGW meme with tongue in cheek. They create false evidence. If people accept the false claims based on false evidence the moral responsibility lies with the falsified not the duped.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Neo
June 16, 2015 4:25 am

Also the last time the Vatican got into the science business it was in favor of the big bang theory and the theory of evolution. Both ideas which were stubbornly opposed by science for decades. so…?

Jquip
June 15, 2015 7:16 pm

Of course, they must also develop less polluting forms energy production, but for this they have need to rely on help from countries that are grown much at the expense of pollution today the planet.

This Pope is simply not a deep thinker. If the poorer countries needed help to move away from cheap electricity, then the richer countries never could have moved away themselves in the first place. In fact, they don’t need to stay with cheap electricity for nearly as long, as all the technical details of expensive electricity have already been worked out by the richer countries.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Jquip
June 15, 2015 8:03 pm

Exactly….Condemn the poor with expensive unreliable solar power built by the Chinese and paid for by carbon taxes. Unbelievable.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Jquip
June 15, 2015 11:31 pm

Poor countries are poor because of governmental corruption above all. Throwing money at poverty won’t work; it will all end up in the hands of corrupt politicians.

hanelyp
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
June 16, 2015 10:55 am

“Poor countries are poor because of governmental corruption above all. Throwing money at poverty won’t work; it will all end up in the hands of corrupt politicians.”
Bingo.

Reply to  jorgekafkazar
June 16, 2015 3:12 pm

This is true… and their friends.

Scott M
Reply to  Jquip
June 16, 2015 6:54 am

Exactly, that is the only reason they have phones today, they dont have the organization and discipline to install cable to every home, but 1 cell tower and wireless phones is much easier and cheaper to roll out. Cuts out a lot of middlemen(hand outs and corruption).
Cheap solar devices to recharge phones make sense….

masInt branch 4 C3I in is
June 15, 2015 7:17 pm

Well perhaps on the up-side Her Pontiff is not directly advocating the eradication of 5 billion human beings in Sarin Gas Chambers administered by Ms Merkel of Germany for the salvation of humanity and the dogs among us.
Ha ha

tabnumlock
June 15, 2015 7:18 pm

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cnxtim
June 15, 2015 7:25 pm

The man and his religion are proving categorically their irrelevance..

Pete Finnegan
June 15, 2015 7:34 pm

This is a DRAFT. It looks like it was written by the IPCC with the Pontifical Academy providing markups. I would bet this draft arises from the April 28 meeting, yet to be edited by you know Who. Let’s wait until Thursday.

M Courtney
Reply to  Pete Finnegan
June 16, 2015 2:09 am

I’m waiting to see what the Pope actually says too.
Of course we should care for Creation. Of course we should care for the poor.
That doesn’t mean we should adopt any particular policy.
We could use the cheapest energy sources to develop and help the poor..
We could use more expensive energy to try to make a colder future.
I suspect both sides will be disappointed and then try to spin what he actually says.
In fact, I’m sure this leak is the beginning of the spinning.

tom s
June 15, 2015 7:43 pm

The communist/marxist in white has no meaning in my life whatsoever. I detest him and his child molesting ilk. Was raised catholic, saw the fakeness of it all and escaped quickly as I became an adult. No thank you. And this commie Pappy disgusts me. I apologize to my catholic friends but I have no time for fake prophets….religion to me is personal…I am a good upstanding citizen and perhaps will be rewarded for being so when I die…, but I like all of you have no-idea-what happens to our consciousness after we pass….no one knows and don’t think that you do. I’ll continue to be a kind, helpful and honest person but I have no faith in any religious leaders other than them being fellow human beings, nothing more. I’ve seen enough fakery. I have no idea if there is a god or not…nor do you but I am open to the possibility and I believe in being, honest, good, happy, helpful and hardworking and love my life and family but religion makes me nervous and uncomfortable….very.

Reply to  tom s
June 15, 2015 7:53 pm

I’ll second that.

Robert B
Reply to  tom s
June 15, 2015 11:00 pm

“and his child molesting ilk” . I’m not so sure that you have got the hang of being a good person all by yourself.

Reply to  tom s
June 16, 2015 5:52 am

If God were like Elvis Presley then all religious leaders are like Elvis impersonators. They look and act like the real Elvis in public. In private, who knows.
They have never met the real Elvis.
The real Elvis does not know them nor does he care to.
Religion is a construct of Man. God is what he is. God is not religion.

Scott M
Reply to  tom s
June 16, 2015 7:06 am

Personally I believe the same thing happens to my consciousness as any other animal on this earth(We die and it stops). What makes us any different except a little smarter than the other animals….I was raised Anglican for whats its worth, similar to RC except no pope and divorces allowed….I respect the position of Pope if its supposed to do what I think it is, and most religious people are happy. At a young age I learned about dinosaurs and wondered where they fit in with the bible, I stopped believing and when I wasnt struck dead I figured religious is just bunch of BS to make people feel good. I have always pretended I believe, I figure why not, but about 3 months ago I came out publicly with friends that I dont, after 40+ years of thinking its all smoke and mirrors…..Ive always thought religion was a net positive, but I dont think so with Islam, and to a lesser degree RC, I look around the world and the colonies that were settle RC are mostly a mess, the British and Dutch ones, pretty darn good.

June 15, 2015 7:46 pm

I am going to send a copy of Climate Change the Facts to His Holiness, Pope Francis Apostolic Palace 00120 Vatican City. If all of the readers of this blog were to send a copy, it could make an impact when Pope Francis’ mail box gets jammed by some climate change facts. This in turn could boost the sales of this important book to the top of the sales charts.

Dirtman
Reply to  Russ Steele
June 15, 2015 8:43 pm

You think he’ll actually get to see that book? More likely it will be waylaid by his staff in the mail room and diverted to the recycle bin.

Reply to  Dirtman
June 15, 2015 9:02 pm

Yes, but think of the complications if 1,000s of books show up in the mail room and the press are alerted to this event.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Dirtman
June 15, 2015 11:34 pm

Press? What is this ‘press’ thing of which you speak?

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Russ Steele
June 16, 2015 4:46 am

Russ, I would say that your suggestion is the most productive and helpful comment here. Let us send the book!

gator69
Reply to  Russ Steele
June 16, 2015 5:43 am

Better yet, nail it to the door of St. Peter’s Basilica.

Reply to  gator69
June 16, 2015 3:15 pm

funny… but not a bad idea!

Stein Gral
Reply to  Russ Steele
June 16, 2015 5:44 am

Anybody knows his mailadresse ?

davesix
June 15, 2015 7:54 pm

Papal infallibility is limited to matters of faith and morals. I think His Holiness has been led astray.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  davesix
June 15, 2015 8:04 pm

yes.

KevinM
Reply to  davesix
June 17, 2015 6:37 am

Do you believe in papal infallibility in any sense?

jonesingforozone
June 15, 2015 7:55 pm

It is the poor that suffer the most from the energy poverty foisted upon the world by carbon alarmists.

Ockham
Reply to  jonesingforozone
June 15, 2015 9:35 pm

Progressive is the new regressive.

M Courtney
Reply to  jonesingforozone
June 16, 2015 2:12 am

And from the quoted leaked document:

For poor countries, the priority should be the eradication of poverty and social development of their inhabitants;

Let’s wait and see what the Vatican actually does say.

June 15, 2015 7:56 pm

I did expect a slight bend to the Global Warming religion from the Pope, but not the ‘Full Monty’ as provided. It appears to have been written by IPCC emissaries and then edited by ‘the church’ to add some religious flair.
How low can corruption go.

Reply to  kokoda
June 16, 2015 1:15 am

Certainly to the highest places – at the moment 🙂

June 15, 2015 7:58 pm

A billion people at his command (it’s called Human capital), and this is all he (the pope) can generate… it’s just like Obama, at the beginning of his presidency, basically dumping $ 1 Trillion into the sand… neither of these guys have any idea how to build individuals (people), communities, or nations. If you can’t do it with $1,000,000,000,000 or 1 Billion people, you’re not the go-to person for how to create opportunity or grow solutions. Both of these guys like utilizing the media to move agendas – they don’t know how to build people or nations. John Klug, THE GLOBAL EMPOWERMENT ENGINE, LLC (FB – John Klug 7796)

Simon
June 15, 2015 8:02 pm

I am stunned you feel it was fine to publish this in the light of the request from the Vatican not to do so..
“”We ask journalists to respect professional standards, which call for the official publication of the final text,” the Vatican said.”
This within a day of people crying foul here about the publication of Anthony Watts email to Tom Peterson.

Reply to  Simon
June 15, 2015 8:08 pm

Some don’t bow to the Vatican.

Simon
Reply to  John Klug
June 15, 2015 8:21 pm

It’s about respecting a request to allow the people who have done the work to release it as they see best. It’s nothing to do with bowing to anyone.

Reply to  John Klug
June 15, 2015 10:03 pm

You don’t “bow” to people by treating them with consideration and respect. The Pop has not made a fool of himself yet. Maybe it will be more rational than this.

Ted G
Reply to  Simon
June 15, 2015 8:09 pm

I’m Stunned that your stuned. The Pope is proving to be as dishonest or stupid (take your pick) as the rest of the Climate fraud industry!

Simon
Reply to  Ted G
June 15, 2015 9:07 pm

Mmmm…. I think you will find this Pope is neither dishonest or stupid. Irrespective of the climate change thing he has done some wholly (holy) brave and remarkable things to make the church a better organisation. The work he has done on weeding out pedophiles is just an example.

Reply to  Ted G
June 16, 2015 6:44 am

Simon June 15, 2015 at 9:07 pm
Maybe the 265 Popes before him should not have let the Paedophiles in in the first place?

Reply to  Simon
June 15, 2015 11:16 pm

Sorry Simon, you can’t stop it now… but you sure think you can. He’s playing politician… and he must play by those rules. I count on him manipulating words here (which he’s already done), not giving Godly advice. Using scripture for promoting ill-thought out platitudes… is not a God thing, it’s a very human endeavor.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  John Klug
June 15, 2015 11:38 pm

It’s all politics. Pretending it’s science is just another political ploy. If temperatures plummet in a few years, the Church will wither and die.

simon
Reply to  John Klug
June 15, 2015 11:39 pm

All I am saying is this Pope is probably more widely respect than most world leaders at this point in time.
He has been Time and Advocate magazine Person of the Year.
And…The magazine Fortune also ranked Pope Francis as number No. 1 in their list of 50 greatest leaders.
And….On 5 November 2014, he was listed among the top 5 of Forbes most powerful people and was ranked at number 4 as the only non-political figure in the top ranking…..
It’s clear he holds a lot of sway round the place. I think anyone who dismisses him does so at their peril.

Ted G
June 15, 2015 8:06 pm

The Pope has put the final nail in the phony climate change pushing industry, he’s a shill, a useful tool his encyclical won’t and cannot stand up to the glare of scientific discovery. As for the spiritual part that won’t stand beyond the next Pope. The Pope has helped cast doubts on the churches ability to be honest, he’s a lame duck.

TomRude
Reply to  Ted G
June 15, 2015 9:27 pm

Simon link to some of this Pope achievements is of course the perfect play. Who would oppose that line of work from pope Francis? No one, hence not a coincidence but a PR strategy soon on gender and now on climate.

Reply to  Ted G
June 15, 2015 11:08 pm

I’m thinking we’re going there…

Reply to  Ted G
June 16, 2015 11:29 am

🙂

Dawtgtomis
June 15, 2015 8:07 pm

The whole thing sounded like maybe he was running for office somewhere…

Dawtgtomis
Reply to  Dawtgtomis
June 15, 2015 8:30 pm

So much for Papal wisdom…

Paul Westhaver
June 15, 2015 8:09 pm

People produce CO2. That is how we are designed.
Human beings are beautiful creatures and this earth is her for us to use.
It is the worst lie that has been perpetrated that the fact that we breathe is harmful to this earth.
I resent being called a polluter because I exhale CO2.
Anyone who says that I am ,as such, a polluter, is just wrong.
It is natural to breathe.

TomRude
Reply to  Paul Westhaver
June 15, 2015 9:42 pm

Paul, it is all relative to how your breathing is linked to challenging or not their agenda…

mebbe
Reply to  Paul Westhaver
June 15, 2015 11:28 pm

Paul,
Take a breath!
Even the whackiest warmer isn’t saying that.
An awful lot of them think God is on their side, too.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  mebbe
June 15, 2015 11:48 pm

Nope.. When the Club of Rome started the population control movement in 1968 intent on reducing the world population down to 1 billion, there was a deliberate effort to connect a tax to human life. A poll tax. It took them a while to figure out that energy consumption was the means of calculating tax and that energy = CO2.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Limits_to_Growth
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_of_Rome
The wacky warmers of the 1960-70 were only saying population control until they began hyping and faking the global warming issue. They had to do that because mass sterilization was unpopular, whereas driving up energy cost was more effective at reducing population and “greener”.
Now the wacky warmers are in fact proposing taxing breathing.
2007 in the NYT.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E05EEDE113EF936A15751C0A9619C8B63

Leonard Lane
Reply to  mebbe
June 15, 2015 11:53 pm

mebbe. Do you think the majority of leftists believe in God?

Reply to  mebbe
June 16, 2015 9:52 am

Leonard Lane June 15, 2015 at 11:53 pm
Believe in God? As a useful tool. From time to time.

Robin.W.
June 15, 2015 8:23 pm

I would be interested to find out what the Australian Cardinal Pell, now in the Vatican,thinks about this. I have read that he is very skeptical of AGW etc.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Robin.W.
June 15, 2015 8:48 pm

I am waiting too. This is not the end of the issue, rather a very messy beginning.

Barbara
Reply to  Robin.W.
June 16, 2015 10:28 am

Maybe this is why Pell was called to Rome. If left in Australia he could speak out?

Tom in Florida
June 15, 2015 8:26 pm

“The direct exploitation of abundant solar energy requires that you establish mechanisms and subsidies so that developing countries can have access to technology transfer,”
Perhaps the Pope should lead the way and divest the Vatican of all worldly riches and give those monies to the developing countries.

Go Home
June 15, 2015 8:37 pm

I am a devout Catholic and will probably be one till the day I die. Does not mean I have to agree with everything that I hear from our leaders. And I certainly feel the pope is wrong on this account. My way of looking at fossil fuels is that they have been a blessing to mankind, placed here millions of years ago, to be unleashed at a time when population growth and the knowledge to use them would come together to improve the world when it was needed the most. Intelligent design? Could be.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Go Home
June 15, 2015 8:51 pm

I am with ya brother. The encyclical is an opinion letter. In this case, the wrong opinion.

patmcguinness
Reply to  Go Home
June 16, 2015 4:30 pm

Fossil fuels are a blessing that has lifted millions out of poverty. To not acknowledge this can consign many in the future to a dimmer life.
This is disgraceful abuse of his office by the Pope, to use the majesty of his office to tout a misleading and dishonest narrative about fossil fuels and the climate. Somone has noted that prior papal encyclicals have been fonts of wisdom, whereas the quotes here are embarrassing recitations of the phony Global Warming religion.
The Pope was sorely misled, but it seems he has a habit of letting himself ‘go left’ on the wrong issues. This degrades his moral authority. For this catholic, now everything he says about the world needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

gator69
Reply to  patmcguinness
June 16, 2015 4:43 pm

The only people making more, and more frequent left turns than the current Pope, are NASCAR drivers.

KevinM
Reply to  Go Home
June 17, 2015 6:41 am

Other than a specific collection of leadership, what separates Catholics from protestants?

gator69
Reply to  KevinM
June 17, 2015 6:46 am

This is a good start for explaining the differences…
http://www.gotquestions.org/difference-Catholic-Protestant.html

Barbara
June 15, 2015 8:41 pm

Perhaps released in time to influence COP 21 and the U.S. 2016 election which begins next January.
Not wise to mix science, religion and politics.
This Papal document could have some unfortunate political consequences in the U.S. during the next presidential election cycle.
Anyway money is greasing the wheels of this whole climate agenda.

Reply to  Barbara
June 15, 2015 8:57 pm

There have been a number of popes over the past 25 years (even further back) who have written tremendously realistic, even cutting-edge thoughts on humanity’s development – it’s problems and it’s possibilities, in realistic, even cutting-edge verse – this, however, is not one of them. POLITICAL is right, with a knack for utilizing media. As types, I see him and Obama the same. Not utilizing knowledge to advance humanity and the planet – USING POWER. You don’t have to be smart, creative, innovative or excellent if you have the power. It’s REALLY old school, and everything they both tell us we need to get rid of – those who abuse power… especially for their own edification (whether they know it or not). Both men have all the world’s intelligence and resources at their beck & call – at their command – and choose to not use it…. or don’t know how. In a world like today, they are both the wrong people for the job (but can create stories to manipulate – not lead – people otherwise).

TomRude
Reply to  John Klug
June 15, 2015 9:10 pm

Anyone who believes that the previous pope resigned voluntarily should go and buy a lottery ticket.
This new pope is a tool.

mem
Reply to  John Klug
June 16, 2015 12:58 am

You make a great deal of sense. Another take on it is that the current incumbents of the Vatican and the Whitehouse share a vision based on numbers rather than truth or morals. It will not go down well with their bosses in either case.

Reply to  Barbara
June 15, 2015 9:13 pm

I guess what I was really getting at (in agreement w you), was that if you’re going to be political – then have you’re ducks in order / run with the truth – that way intelligent people can nod their heads. This whole age of manipulating the masses thru PR & Media (of all types) is really quite sickening. The Pope utilizing these petty mechanisms pretty much puts him into a scoundrel category like Obama – get “it” any way you want or can… because that’s “cool.” Ignorance is ignorance; manipulation remains manipulation, and politics is politics – very unsightly when any part of the Church is playing in a masquerade.

TomRude
Reply to  John Klug
June 15, 2015 9:15 pm

+1

Reply to  Barbara
June 16, 2015 4:44 am

“Not wise to mix science, religion and politics.”
It is impossible to separate the three. What we know about reality, as we learn via the scientific method, should inform our opinions about politics and religion. Unfortunately, men falsely use both science and religion to control other men. As was said of mankind’s eternal enemy, Satan, “the truth was not in him”.

Barbara
Reply to  Barbara
June 16, 2015 10:33 am

Will all Catholics running for office in the U.S. have to pass the Papal carbon litmus test in the next election?

Reply to  Barbara
June 16, 2015 11:31 am

🙂

albertalad
June 15, 2015 8:41 pm

Hey, celebrate the good news. The CAGW religious fanatics have finally found their global warming pope.

Reply to  albertalad
June 16, 2015 9:56 am

+666

Patrick
Reply to  M Simon
June 17, 2015 3:33 am

667, his neighbour!

I believe
June 15, 2015 8:44 pm

“While the earth remains,
Seedtime and harvest,
Cold and heat,
Winter and summer,
And day and night
Shall not cease.”
Genesis 8:22

KevinM
Reply to  I believe
June 17, 2015 6:44 am

Glad to see a hint of literacy.

TomRude
June 15, 2015 8:58 pm

Appealing to religious powers in order to convince people of a scientific problem suggests the terminal failure of scientists working for the Cause and that those who push this agenda will stop at nothing to forced it upon populations. Expect the first climate realists trials to start at the Vatican soon…

Dr. S. Jeevananda Reddy
June 15, 2015 9:02 pm

All those pronouncements primarily relates to validation of “but numerous scientific studies indicate that most of the global warming of recent decades is due to the large concentration of greenhouse gases (carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide and other) issued mainly because of human activity. Their concentrations in the atmosphere prevents the heat of sunlight reflected by the earth being dispersed in space. ” of the observations made in the report in quantitative terms and this has no meaning as long as they make qualitative inferences. Let them first come out from qualitative statements before anybody accepts their inferences based on such qualitative statements like those of IPCC and other warmist friends. Why I said this is that the greenhouse gases present in the atmosphere prior to 1951 are several times higher than the greenhouse gases released in to the atmosphere by the so called fossil fuels burning. Also, the relationship between the global warming and greenhouse gases is inverse exponential function, has effectively utilized the greenhouse gases to convert in to temperature and now it is in flat mode, means no change in temperature with the increased levels of greenhouse gases in to the atmosphere. Because of this the warmist groups are trying to manipulate met data. Because of this the model projects present high variations from one to another and yet our scientific group never thought of looking at this falacy in detail except denouncing others. We must stop the political and religous game in this vital subject of climate and weather.
Dr. S. Jeevananda Reddy

Louis Hunt
June 15, 2015 9:09 pm

Scientific consensus exists that indicates that we are very firm in presence of a worrisome warming of the climate system.

When a church allows present-day scientific consensus to direct its affairs, it ceases to be a church of God and becomes a church of man. Like the climate, science is always changing. A religion that is in perfect harmony with the science of today will certainly be out of step with the science of tomorrow.

Jquip
Reply to  Louis Hunt
June 15, 2015 9:23 pm

Well, the Church has a long history of folding in pagan practices in a symbolic fashion to ease the transition for the natives. I don’t see why this couldn’t be another case of the Church consuming a different religion.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Jquip
June 16, 2015 4:22 am

maybe…it is part of a Machiavellian outreach effort. However, in doing so they are dropping whom they number as adherents. It is quite true that the green Religion is real. Likely everyone here would agree that the Green Gaia Religion is big and very popular albeit diffuse and uncoordinated. So it this is a duel between religions, then I am ok. Let them duke it out!

Alan Robertson
June 15, 2015 9:38 pm

Why does the challenge to “love poor people” too often mean to make more people poor?

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Alan Robertson
June 15, 2015 11:33 pm

and… “the poor will always be with us”

Reply to  Paul Westhaver
June 16, 2015 10:00 am

And the church is working to INSURE that. Even the Sainted Mother Teresa said so. She said the poor were easier to convert. So she was against teaching them how to fish. She preferred giving them fish.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Paul Westhaver
June 16, 2015 12:03 pm

That is categorically false muck raking. It is an undignified insult on an off-topic notion. Plenty of though-full people here are capable of engaging on the Climate/religion/UN/fraud nature of this thread without lowering to transparent baseless BS. Mother Theresa did not see the value of money, rather she saw the value of human individuals regardless of wealth, physical competency, age or intellect.

REPEL Damocles swords
June 15, 2015 9:38 pm

and Sinabung erupts, and he promotes boomerang-depopulation, instead of averting volcanic disasters, that may lead to a new volcanic glacial and his extinction too

REPEL Damocles swords
Reply to  REPEL Damocles swords
June 16, 2015 12:04 am

FATALIST DEPOPULATORS cannot even fix a Naples evacuation drill around Vesuvius, and they will survive a global revolt if we don’t avert the expected electro-volcanic glacials?

2soonold2latesmart
June 15, 2015 9:40 pm

So it now seems that climate change is a religious belief.

Reply to  2soonold2latesmart
June 15, 2015 10:15 pm

nice.

Walt D.
June 15, 2015 10:03 pm

If you believe climate change, then you will have no difficulty believing, virgin births, Jesus Christ rising from the dead, changing water into wine, walking on water, feeding the 5000, or anything else in the bible.

Reply to  Walt D.
June 16, 2015 3:04 am

How about that. We have an ACTUAL climate denier in our midst. Good thing we skeptics know that the climate Does exist and Does change.
Say, walt, what was your point again? I pretty much missed it after the first word you wrote.

Steve
Reply to  Walt D.
June 16, 2015 11:32 am

Walt,
As a Christian (non-Catholic), I have no difficulty believing, virgin births, Jesus Christ rising from the dead, changing water into wine, walking on water, feeding the 5000, or anything else in the bible.
I have no difficulty believing that there may have been someone else involved with JFK’s assassination.
I have no difficulty believing that not all UFO sightings are swamp gas, weather balloons, or hallucinations (I don’t know what they are but it’s a possibility of something real yet unexplained. After all , the world would be a boring place indeed if we have discovered, quantified, and qualified everything that exists)
However, believing in CAGW, never!!! Nor do I know a single Christian who unwaveringly believes the entire CAGW mantra.
Any rational human being (theist or atheist) should “be a good steward” of Creation. It is in defining what “be a good steward” means and living life accordingly that differentiates the Climate Change alarmist from the skeptic.

June 15, 2015 10:09 pm

noaaprogrammer
June 15, 2015 at 9:54 pm
said:
… Does the pope have an explanation why God is now allowing man to destroy the Earth with CO2? /sacrilege off
—-
sarcrilege
🙂

mojo
June 15, 2015 10:20 pm

Il Papa can go soak his infallible head, if you ask me.

Moose from the EU
June 15, 2015 10:34 pm

This is final proof that climate science has left the scientific community and has become a religion. It can not be taken seriously anymore.
Let the believers pray to their climate God and leave the rest of us alone.

dmh
June 15, 2015 10:41 pm

The Lord said to go forth upon the face of the earth and multiply.
This commandment not (to the best of my knowledge) having been rescinded, and it not referring to scratching out 6×7=42 in the dirt (again, to the best of my knowledge), it is incumbent upon us to continue to fight disease, starvation, poverty and so on with all the tools at our disposal. It would be a sin against the word of G_d to stop using the resources he granted us to fulfill his commandment.
Gotta love the bible. You can make it mean anything you want it to mean, and you can read into it anything you want to read into it. The pope is only human.

Theo Goodwin
June 15, 2015 11:04 pm

It is time for Roman Catholics to rethink this whole Pope thing. If your Pope cannot be prevented from issuing encyclicals that promote a totalitarian UN regime then the position should be abolished. If you belong to a Protestant church and a minister or bishop promotes something like this then they have to answer to the local congregation. Same for the Orthodox churches.

Reply to  Theo Goodwin
June 15, 2015 11:26 pm

Yes… since he’s “in charge” of 1/7 of the world’s population… he should start with himself and all his congregants – which run from the top to the bottom of the global socio-economic ladder to search out the truth of how best to bring about solutions. The reason we don’t see this, is because he & the Catholic Church is run from the top-down, as a monstrous governmental bureaucracy – not much like the U.S. government & the UN. They have all this power (and people) at their command, and they point to everybody else. A leader for this age will not squander all this resource, this money, and this opportunity. On all fronts, we are seeing the absolute failure of true leadership – in a monumental way. For the moment, all these horrible leaders (who are largely focused on themselves, rather than those they are supposed to serve) are getting away with soundbites & “selfy” pics via media & press… because they are all playing the same game. But it does remain a house of cards – that’s the truth. A lie always remains a lie.

Alba
Reply to  John Klug
June 16, 2015 2:42 am

It is a simplistic error to think that the Catholic Church is run from the top down. It is just another of those erroneous ideas put about by people who can’t be bothered to do any actual reading on the subject but prefer to rely on perception or what other people tell them. When it comes to administration within the Church enormous power lies in the hands of the Bishops, not the Pope. What happens in your area is far more a matter of what your local Bishop decides rather than what the Pope decides. And anybody who is familiar with the internal workings of the Catholic Church will know full well how often those Bishops have used their power in ways which the Pope is unlikely to approve. (Try looking at Germany for a start.) Every so often the Bishops of a particular country have to report to the Pope. At the end of the meetings he gives them a lecture in which he can be quite direct in telling the Bishops what they should be doing. But how often do the Bishops pay much attention?

Reply to  John Klug
June 16, 2015 3:25 pm

Alba, he’s the one on top (of the Catholic Church) – did I say that right? “The One On Top.” (referencing below)

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Theo Goodwin
June 15, 2015 11:32 pm

It doesn’t work that way. 1) Jesus Christ established the Church and its administration, 2) The encyclical is an opinion letter so…Catholics don’t absolutely have to listen to it if the know it is in error, 3) The Pope is just repeating what the UN has been carping for 20 years, what schools have been pumping into students for at least 15 years and what our governments have been implementing for 10 years.

Reply to  Paul Westhaver
June 16, 2015 1:07 am

True. This is fun…

Theo Goodwin
Reply to  Paul Westhaver
June 16, 2015 4:00 pm

John, Alba, and Paul missed my point. If a Pat Robertson goes on television and pontificates then Christians, including his own flock, will get in his face. I mean “get in his face” literally. Cause him difficulty in his duties. But there is no one to get in the Pope’s face.

Rob
June 16, 2015 12:12 am

The problem with all “organized
religions” is that they are man made
(Obviously God is not). Unfortunately,
the Catholic Church, particularly before
Luther, was hopelessly corrupt. Whatever his good intentions, this Pope
is extremely controversial. But the
Churches “scientific advisors” are
obviously the source of this.

June 16, 2015 12:38 am

“The Catholic Church
Now enters the fray,
The UN dictating
What the Pope has to say;
God pushed aside,
Left in the wings,
As the UN puppet masters
Pull the Pope’s strings….
From: http://rhymeafterrhyme.net/global-warming-and-the-catholic-church/

Reply to  rhymeafterrhyme
June 16, 2015 1:06 am

True, but I think the pope sees it has him gaining power. It’s not about truth right now, and there are many who are willing to give him an assist, to advance their own mis-aligned pursuits and thinking (but all on the same gravy-train).

Bob
June 16, 2015 12:45 am

Best news I’ve heard all year 🙂
One religion (AGW) is the same as another (schristians). FInally the sheep are seeing the wolves. About time a bunch of people woke up to the fact the whole religion thing is a cage.

William Astley
June 16, 2015 1:52 am

I spent ‘earth’ (energy) hour thinking about the billions of people in developing countries that do not have access to electricity and must cook with biomass as well the hundreds of millions of people who must struggle daily with rolling blackouts.
http://www.worldenergyoutlook.org/resources/energydevelopment/

It is an alarming fact that today billions of people lack access to the most basic energy services: as World Energy Outlook 2014 shows nearly 1.3 billion people are without access to electricity and 2.7 billion people rely on the traditional use of biomass for cooking, which causes harmful indoor air pollution

http://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/21637396-rolling-power-cuts-are-fraying-tempers-unplugged

South Africa’s electricity crisis
Rolling power cuts are fraying tempers
The people of South Africa are learning to live in the dark. Their beleaguered power utility, Eskom, is unable to meet electricity demand and in November reintroduced a tortuous schedule of rolling blackouts known as “load shedding”. South Africans now check electricity reports that read like weather forecasts: “There is a medium probability of load shedding today and tomorrow, with a higher probability on Thursday and Friday,” said a recent Eskom tweet.
Newspapers print survival tips and “load shedder recipes” for food you can prepare without electricity. And there are bleak jokes aplenty. “Q: What did South Africa use before candles? A: Electricity.”
South Africa has been here before. In 2008 it suffered a rash of blackouts that cost the country billions of rand. Little has changed. …

http://skimon.com/load-shedding-pakistan

Rolling Blackout in Pakistan
by Affifa Mariam on July 16, 2014
http://skimon.com/load-shedding-pakistan
This year has become very unlucky for Pakistanis as prevailing energy crisis has shown its worst implications. The electricity shortfall (the load shedding blackout) is now 7600 MW, which is worst in Pakistan’s history. … ….Water shortages also arise when there is so massive load shedding. Recently, Khawaja Asif, Federal Minister for Water and Power of Pakistan, apologized from the nation for unscheduled load shedding for about 16-20 hours in rural and urban areas.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/34bcbe66-3821-11e4-b69d-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3V6bHUuQl

Concern grows as power crisis looms for India
On the campaign trail earlier this year, Narendra Modi often promised to bring power to the 400m Indians who lack basic access to electricity.
Coal remains India’s most important energy source, supplying more than half of all power stations. It is also increasingly scarce: stocks are at their lowest level since 2008, with plants responsible for around a third of national capacity holding supplies of just one week or less.
Alarm over these dwindling fuel piles this weekend forced Piyush Goyal, power minister, to deny that the country faced a repeat of the disastrous rolling blackouts that left some 600m people without electricity back in 2012, badly denting India’s global image.

http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2003/2003GL017115.shtml

Timing of abrupt climate change: A precise clock by Stefan Rahmstorf
Many paleoclimatic data reveal a approx. 1,500 year cyclicity of unknown origin. A crucial question is how stable and regular this cycle is. An analysis of the GISP2 ice core record from Greenland reveals that abrupt climate events appear to be paced by a 1,470-year cycle with a period that is probably stable to within a few percent; with 95% confidence the period is maintained to better than 12% over at least 23 cycles. This highly precise clock points to an origin outside the Earth system (William: Solar cycle changes correlate with the warming and cooling cycles as solar cycle changes are the cause of the cycles including abrupt cyclic cooling); oscillatory modes within the Earth system can be expected to be far more irregular in period.

Greenland ice temperature, last 11,000 years determined from ice core analysis, Richard Alley’s paper. William: The Greenland Ice data shows that have been 9 warming and cooling periods in the last 11,000 years.
http://www.climate4you.com/images/GISP2%20TemperatureSince10700%20BP%20with%20CO2%20from%20EPICA%20DomeC.gif

waterside4
June 16, 2015 2:09 am

Like the top post from Eliza above, I am in a hiatus in my Catholic duties.
I penned the following ditty some weeks ago in anticipation of the Encyclical,which I hope to read soon, and am glad it does not appear to be as dire as I anticipated from this Red Pope.
PAPAL BULL
God does not control the weather any more
It’s the Pagans, Club of Rome and Albert Gore,
Will our head honcho in a poncho see fit
To declare Global Warming Holy Writ
Is he about to demonise CO2
By ending black smoke emissions from his flue,
Must we now pray to the pagan Goddess Gaia
Ignore Christmas – feast with Saturnalia.
I once learned the Ten Commandments at the knee
Of a Mother who explained the Didache,
Prior to the miracle of electric light
She could not teach her children reading in the night,
So if this Pontiff says Africans must stay
In fuel poverty – its their Auto-da-fe,
All those fossil fuels are theirs and bountiful
Not to exploit them is just more Papal Bull.
His Holiness should stick to promoting God
Instead of embracing scientific fraud,
How can the poor gain a title to this earth
When denied the means by energetic dearth,
Since Global Warming stopped in ninety seven
Voodoo climate scientists appeal to Heaven,
Their unending swill of money in the trough
Should not the shorn sheep finally switch off?
Will Pope Francis instruct every Catholic
To believe the new creed of the Hockey Stick,
Reprinting our Bibles in a shade of green
Ignoring the teachings of the Nazarene,
Deifying Mother Nature and the occult,
For our sins of Emissions and the Indult,
I’ll stick to my faith in the God of Passion
Ignore the Un-sustainable fashion.
We are told – ignore the warming of the sun
George Orwell foresaw Agenda twenty one,
The Master Plan – control the population
For Climate Realists – excommunication?
Papal dabbling in this science of ill repute
Will turn Mother Church into a prostitute,
So we await the next Encyclical
Ignore junk – make it Ecclesiastical

Dawtgtomis
Reply to  waterside4
June 16, 2015 7:19 am

Very well put! You are a vessel of wisdom like so many here.

June 16, 2015 2:14 am

Since he’s “in charge” of 1/7 of the world’s population… he should start with himself and all his congregants – which run from the top to the bottom of the global socio-economic ladder to search out the truth of how best to bring about solutions. The reason we don’t see this, is because he & the Catholic Church is run from the top-down, as a monstrous governmental bureaucracy – not much like the U.S. government & the UN. They have all this power (and people) at their command, and they point to everybody else. A leader for this age will not squander all this resource, this money, and this opportunity. On all fronts, we are seeing the absolute failure of true leadership – in a monumental way. For the moment, all these horrible leaders (who are largely focused on themselves, rather than those they are supposed to serve) are getting away with soundbites & “selfy” pics via media & press… because they are all playing the same game. But it does remain a house of cards – that’s the truth. A lie always remains a lie.

June 16, 2015 2:16 am

Sorry – not much UN-like the U.S. government & the UN… 🙂

thomam
June 16, 2015 2:18 am

I note the church have described the leaking of the encyclical as a “heinous act”. One might have thought that description better fitted, for example, repeated child abuse by priests that was well known by church authorities and the extraordinary steps the church went to to suppress that information and protect its employees.
After all, they kept that secret for decades and now they can’t even keep an opinion piece under wraps for 72 hours. Standards are clearly slipping.

Reply to  thomam
June 16, 2015 3:29 am

Amazing point – well taken.

simon
Reply to  thomam
June 16, 2015 12:39 pm

Yep they both are and this bloke s looking to sort both issues.

June 16, 2015 2:29 am

If the Church hasn’t acknowledged the genocidal effect of environmental neo-colonialism on the third world for the last two decades, why do people hold out the hope it’ll suddenly start to do so now?
https://thepointman.wordpress.com/2014/10/02/tell-me-why/
Pointman

Alba
June 16, 2015 2:46 am

Just a reminder in case anybody hasn’t noticed what was said above: the leaked document is a leak of a draft of the Encyclical. So all the good people who have commented above AFTER having read the whole leaked document are going to have to read the whole final version to see how far it agrees with the leaked draft. You do read the whole thing before commenting on it, don’t you?

LarryFine
Reply to  Alba
June 16, 2015 2:58 am

I don’t read Italian. Can you tell us whether the document characterized Climate Change using the words “hoax” or “fraud”? Because if it didn’t, no amount of sanctimony is warranted on anyone’s part in defense of it.

Reply to  Alba
June 16, 2015 2:59 am

Do you expect to be better or worse?

Reply to  Alba
June 16, 2015 3:14 am

Yes, we’ll be looking for the new, globally relevant revelation, that will not be forthcoming. My garbage man will have newer, more relevant ideas… I mean, really – what new will be forthcoming!? (It’s easier to go to God than deal with this crap). 🙂 KLUG

LarryFine
June 16, 2015 2:53 am

Another superstar with a GIGANTIC carbon footprint who would laugh at the mere suggestion of doing without one of his round-the-clock staff of fanny pillow fluffers and ring kissers wants poor third-world children to die without ever having tasted clean water or seeing a lightbulb. And why? Because that’s what’s popular with those who control political power.
I’m sorry, but this is just pure evil.

Joe Public
June 16, 2015 2:57 am

Has anyone asked The Church Of The Flying Spaghetti Monster what its position is?

Reply to  Joe Public
June 16, 2015 4:48 am

I have talked with members of that Church on many occasions for decades. 97% of them buy the alarmist consensus and call we non-believers heretics and d*niers.

June 16, 2015 3:21 am

Obviously, it’s time for a new oracle (regardless how it comes out). You think draft 1-17 will matter – IN TRUTH!? Something being presented that everybody here doesn’t already know? We’re only here because a few major players are given open manipulation of the media, that’s all. We don’t need a draft, WE DON’T NEED A FINAL – WE NEED TO KEEP PUSHING & CREATING THE RIGHT, RELEVANT CONVERSATION… this chaff will fall. The Pope’s a man… we have 7 billion people – let’s find & do what’s right for all – FOR REAL – plain & simple. Don’t elevate the false / LET’S EMPOWER THE REAL. 🙂

Chris Wright
June 16, 2015 3:25 am

“the heating was accompanied by the constant rise in the sea level,”
Yes, the sea level has been quite constant – since 1850, that is. This was at the end of the Little Ice Age and was completely natural.
I’m not religious but I am sickened to see how the world’s top religious leader can be so deluded by green propaganda.
In today’s printed Daily Telegraph there is a letter by a group of religious leaders who are equally deluded on climate change. I shot off this email, though the chances of it being printed are probably zero, the Daily Telegraph is decidedly warmist:
“Some religious leaders wrote: “it is the world’s poorest people who are already suffering the impact of a changing climate”. The scientific data shows this to be nonsense: globally, there has been no increase in storms, hurricanes, wild fires, droughts or floods, and there has been no global warming in this century, or any increase in the rate of sea level rise since 1850. Indeed, the overall intensity of hurricanes has been falling for decades. It’s the climate change hysteria that has increased. There is one global effect of increased carbon dioxide: since 2000 the world has become about ten percent greener, due to its fertilising effects. The extra CO2, and also the small warming, have helped the world to produce more food per head of population than ever before. Shouldn’t we be celebrating this, instead of demonising the very thing that is making the world greener and feeding empty stomachs?
The developing world desperately needs cheap and abundant fossil fuels. To deny this to the world’s poorest is a crime against humanity. On the same page the piece by Leonie Greene is a perfect example of how climate change hysteria is driven by vested interests, particularly green subsidies. The world’s poorest are not threatened by global warming, quite the reverse. But they are threatened by climate change hysteria, of which their letter is a perfect example. I’m sure they mean well, but the empirical scientific data shows they and Ban Ki-moon are catastrophically wrong. Truly, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.”
I did have a letter printed in the printed edition of the Sunday Telegraph last Sunday. It was about the proposed Swansea Bay tidal project. As Christopher Booker pointed out, this billion pound white elephant will on average generate just 57 megawatts. A perfect example of how the real catastrophe is the climate change delusion.
Chris

June 16, 2015 3:26 am

MY FACEBOOK POST THIS MORNING:
I will fight manipulative leaders who believe they have global privilege to manipulate media & influence the weak and unaware (predominantly USA) public at this time of extreme non-awareness – of both truth & reality.
They’re stealing (from the public trust – your resources, opportunities & solutions) – and I’m going to show you.
I’m just saying… it’s where we’re going. If you stand in truth, you can fight all day.

Scott M
Reply to  John Klug
June 16, 2015 7:16 am

Its mostly impossible to say things like that without coming off as a raving lunatic….even if its true…
“Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.”
Reagan said it best

Reply to  Scott M
June 16, 2015 3:33 pm

It’s what I do, Scott. It’s what I’ve been prepared to do. It’s what I have the tools, resources, and knowledge to do. This is who I am. JK

Patrick
Reply to  Scott M
June 17, 2015 3:31 am

That is irony at it’s best.

Village Idiot
June 16, 2015 3:31 am

A test of ‘faith’ for Catholic Villagers and visitors to the Village – especially of they happen to be a Knight in a Catholic Order

Patrick
June 16, 2015 3:37 am

I am a christened, baptised and confirmed Catholic (All without my consent) and I “left” the church long ago when I realised they were just a bunch of abusive bully boys. The largest money making gang on earth. So, whatever is spouted out from the Vatican City is point blankly ignored by me.

cedarhill
June 16, 2015 3:58 am

My favoriite part is how “heat blocks heat which increases heat” in “a viscous cycle”.
The Brits need to remember that when they’re freezing this winter. Maybe just burn another solar panel in the heat pump and the viscous cycle will warm their flat.
While some, rightly so, are hailing this as “helping the poor”, it really is a full throated shout out to the warmists that the Vatican is marching with them, in solidarity, See the Catechism paragraph 1938ff. The simple headline would be “Help the poor by imposing fully support of the IPCC in Paris.”
Pope Paul V sent a note about Galileo in 1633 that has echoed through the centuries. You deniers now have Pope Francis sending you the equivalent in 2015.

Scottish Sceptic
June 16, 2015 4:22 am
Editor
June 16, 2015 4:25 am

Well, now we know that catastrophic climate change is real and certain, the Pope says so and like all of the Pope’s before him he is a great scientist. /sarc/

Bruce Cobb
June 16, 2015 5:08 am

The pope is known to have marxist views, and CAGW ideology pushes the idea of a transfer of wealth from richer to poorer countries as well as from the rich to poor overall. It is, at its core, anti-capitalist and anti-democratic, and uses a de fact world government via the UNIPCC to accomplish its goals. So, the whole climate thing is just a means to an end. The pope may be a puppet, but he’s a willing one. As a participant, and especially one with such great influence, if satan exists, he sits at the right hand of satan himself.

Barbara
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
June 16, 2015 10:52 am

How many have looked to see how many of the world’s richest people are behind this climate change fraud? And furnishing money for this cause.

June 16, 2015 5:11 am

Reblogged this on gottadobetterthanthis and commented:

I am disappointed in the Pope.
Not being Catholic, I find no compulsion to worry about what he says personally, but traditionally, Catholics see encyclicals as binding. It is a farce to consider fossil fuel use and resultant CO2 as alarming and catastrophic.
So far, it seems the encyclical is an embarrassment, and it will remain so as climate continues to do anything but what the computer gamers (modelers) say it will.
The model predictions have failed for over 30 years now. When is enough?

Scott M
Reply to  Lonnie E. Schubert
June 16, 2015 7:12 am

If your job depends on it, enough is after you retire and no longer are coming back on contracts.

Philip Mulholland
June 16, 2015 5:17 am

Maybe the Parable of the Talents no longer applies?

The third slave, however, had merely hidden his talent, had buried it in the ground, and was punished by his master:

Traditionally, the parable of the talents has been seen as an exhortation to Jesus’ disciples to use their God-given gifts in the service of God, and to take risks for the sake of the Kingdom of God.

Ed Zuiderwijk
June 16, 2015 5:40 am

What happens when his holiness discovers that his God doesn’t agree with his appreciation of His creation? An interesting theological cunundrum.

June 16, 2015 6:02 am

An old guy, in a funny hat, sure has a lot of people worked up!

Silver ralph
Reply to  DocWat
June 16, 2015 10:42 am

Correction. An old guy in a funny hat and a dress, surrounded by choir-boys, getting himself worked up. “Is that a crosier on your cassock or are you pleased to see them…..”

Jeff
June 16, 2015 6:18 am

There’s a transcription error.
Francis actually declared ‘Climate Cyclical’.

Resourceguy
Reply to  Jeff
June 16, 2015 9:15 am

Good one!!

June 16, 2015 6:26 am

It used to be a truism that one should avoid talking about politics or religion, and stick to the safe topic of the weather. Now all three have blended together, and are all the same thing.
In other words, with certain people there is no longer such a thing as “a safe topic”. Even if you talk about the price of eggs in Africa, they will start whining and nagging in a voice designed to shatter glass, and will embroil you in the stupidest wastes of time, arguing about stuff which you likely don’t have the slightest desire to debate.
I’ve concluded some people are simply insane. A clear sign of it is that, when they ask you for proof, they won’t listen to your points, and rather seem to consider shrillness is a valid counter-point, talking-over you even as you speak. Only at their most polite do they say, “La-la-la; I’m not listening.” Usually they are worse, and you can see them on TV quite often these days, talking-over other people.
In such a situation I suppose one could appeal to the moderator, if one exists, however they talk over moderators as well. They have no interest in civil procedure or its benefits. Rather they seem to have chosen insanity and to be its followers.
In the end their uproar boils down to a big zero. Rather than debate, it often is better to politely ask that they leave, or be escorted from the room, or, when they have seized power, to politely leave the room yourself. Argument it futile, and silence is golden, for golden is the Truth.
But this is no new thing. In 1529 Martin Luther wrote “A Mighty Fortress Is Our God,” and in the third verse are hints at the end of the argument: “The Prince of Darkness grim, we tremble not for him; his rage we can endure, for lo, his doom is sure; one little word shall fell him.”

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Caleb
June 16, 2015 8:15 am

It is a mass delusion, bordering on and including hysteria, so yes, a type of insanity. It rejects logic and reason, in favor of emotionalism.

Steve Oregon
June 16, 2015 7:06 am

His temporal omnipotence isn’t looking too sharp.
It seems Papal Power is on the move.
History repeats?……………………..
Temporal Omnipotence, or How Even the Pope Can …
themonkeycage.org/…/temporal-omnipotence-or-how-even-the-pope-ca…
Temporal Omnipotence, or How Even the Pope Can Strategically Call New Elections. By Joshua Tucker on February 11, 2013. Wondering why we’ve just …
The power of the Pope during the Middle Ages, or, An …
https://books.google.com/books?id=O_5PAAAAYAAJ
Gosselin (M.) – 1853 – ‎Church history
with an introduction, on the honours and temporal privileges conferred on … delusion of the temporal omnipotence of the popes inundated Europe during four or …

Scott M
June 16, 2015 7:08 am

Italians are generally very religious, are members of the Mafia good Catholics? Do they just need to say a few hail Marys and pay a penance?

Bruce Cobb
June 16, 2015 7:15 am

There is a silver lining of course. Imagine the outcry hoots from the Warmatards if the reverse were true; the pope comes out against climate change Belief, saying (correctly) that it actually hurts the poor, and that it, and environmentalism itself are being used by those who have turned against religion as a substitute religion.
To their small-minded and misguided way of thinking, those they like to call the D-word are overwhelmingly Conservative and Christian, a double-smear tactic which allows them to automatically dismiss whatever skeptics/climate realists say.

patmcguinness
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
June 16, 2015 6:06 pm

“To their small-minded and misguided way of thinking, those they like to call the D-word are overwhelmingly Conservative and Christian, a double-smear tactic which allows them to automatically dismiss whatever skeptics/climate realists say.”
This is true. Any attempt by a man of the cloth, or someone steeped in faith, to attempt to rebut global warming, will be dismissed as ‘anti-science’ and it’s easier to fit the trope of ‘anti-science’ with a religiously motivated believer.
There was an awkward moment in a Senate hearing on climate where Dr Spencer got grilled by Sen Whitehouse who in effect was asking “Are you now or have you ever been a creationist?” Basically an attempt to denigrate Spencer’s science cred. They’d love to make global warming ‘denier’ be cast into the terms of young earth creationist etc.
But once the shoe is on the other foot, we get “moral authority figure” who spouts the Church of Global Warming shibboleths. Leftists are eager to be inconsistent. It’s a one way street.

Scott M
June 16, 2015 7:19 am

I am praying to the Pope for a giant snowstorm closing down the Paris airports for the duration of the climate meetings…

Dawtgtomis
Reply to  Scott M
June 16, 2015 8:29 am

Climate change is most likely to bring them frost-killed grapes. Will the pope declare that as divine intervention?

Dawtgtomis
Reply to  Dawtgtomis
June 16, 2015 8:39 am

(The pun on ‘vine’ was unintentional…)

Solsten
June 16, 2015 7:52 am

Traditional/historical religion = anti-science
global warming alarmism = anti-science
GW alarmism = religion

RWturner
June 16, 2015 8:43 am

Honestly, why should I give a rats-arse about an institution that believes in ancient superstitions and has a wretched history when it comes to science and tolerance? Next

Resourceguy
June 16, 2015 9:13 am

It sounds like trade was an evil contributor to this wealth concentration scheme also. Overall, it sounds like the only way forward is for a centralized NGO to manage the world and its inequality and poverty from a central command enclave of mostly old men with access to lots of money to make it work. The Vatican bank, run mostly by Italians, will handle the finance. Claims of sex crimes will be dealt with decades later and science claims will be dealt with centuries later.

tonyM
June 16, 2015 9:17 am

Skeptics have such a wide range of talent from philosophy to theology to nouvel experts on Catholicism. Proud to be a skeptic myself.
Even blind Freddie can see the Pope’s position on climate is in total accord with the current mainstream science. Surely this should not be a surprise.
His views on the science are in line with virtually every Govt and Head of State in the world. That too can’t be a surprise.
Not to accept that this is true would be a denial of facts.
His position on the disadvantaged, on the poor is not a secret either.
The encyclical covers both those positions. So why the faux outrage? Why the end of the world? Does Pope Francis Pope Francis have that much power?

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  tonyM
June 16, 2015 10:04 am

Why the straw men? Why the faux concern?

tonyM
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
June 16, 2015 11:19 am

Perhaps you should read some of these comments. They are reminiscent of the cheer leaders that I would expect to find on the warmer side as they pat each other on the back. Check out Skeptical Science sometime and you may see what I mean.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  tonyM
June 16, 2015 12:06 pm

tonyM,
I agree with your statement of the obvious ambiguity. I think that the UN will take whatever borrowed credibility the can steal from Francis…. and then stick it to him later.

Resourceguy
June 16, 2015 9:37 am

He who wears the funniest hat controls the masses and redirects wealth from involuntary edicts. It works.

Resourceguy
June 16, 2015 9:43 am

There will be a papal christening at the windmill farm next week. Bring lots of funny hats for the bird killing ceremony. Next month is a pilgrimage to the holy site of Ivanpah and the ceremonial burning bird in mid flight.

Silver ralph
June 16, 2015 10:32 am

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Quote: “Who will rid me of this troublesome priest?”

CarlF
June 16, 2015 11:00 am

And so the Church proves that it is irrelevant once again. The current Pope showed left tendencies early in his tenure. Now, there is no room for doubt.
The Church of Global Warming is now allied with the Church of the Inquisition. All deniers are to be referred to has heretics henceforth. All persons living in developed countries are to be considered sinners and required to purchase absolution by making payments to third world dictators and despots via tithe to the IPCC. Dear Leader has been entrusted with the responsibility to make it so.

1sky1
June 16, 2015 2:33 pm

Catholic doctrine holds the pope infallible only on matters of morals. Climate change as science is clearly outside that realm. Pope Francis’ fallibility as an untrained layperson is patently evident in his ill-founded encyclical.

Resourceguy
June 16, 2015 2:44 pm

It’s the north-south, rich-poor, first world-third world, divide and conquer by NGO decree.

Zeke
June 16, 2015 2:51 pm

Just to clarify, Protestants for centuries have considered popes to be anti-christs.
Pray you do not have to find out why.
Do not underestimate the will of Jesuits to bring back all land and temporal power to the pope.

June 16, 2015 3:08 pm

The Church, whose Pope this is, has faith based dogma as its raison d’être.
The IPCC centric climate change consensus, whose science the this Pope cites, is subjectivity created to serve a socio-economic-political ideology.
Both are completely irrelevant to valid fundamental science which is logically applied reasoning confirmed by objectively corroborated observations of reality.
John

June 16, 2015 4:39 pm

Perhaps we could hope for the FINAL version and not this “leaked” UNOFFICIAL one(which is not good but it is not entirely one sided). WW2 showed that you do not provoke a lion in the face(from behind a fence) to feel good and let others face the repost. Acts not words saved people from fascists, words and not acts, saved no one ever. Well funded and connected watermelons won´t accept a straight “no” to their demands; let´s hope for the best and prepare for the rest, life will be somewhere in between. His Holliness is not one to be bullied around, neither is he a confrontational one (his own personal history in Argentina and his difficult relation with the left-wing government has shown that it is by acts and not words that you show your stance about something). His very appointment was a TOTAL surprise for EVERY single “expert” on Vatican affairs. We are not alone, the world does not abide to their models, and for every advance in green lunacy there is a monumental scandal, people see it, but they are afraid to say it, that is the whole idea with political correctness maniqueism, but it is also its fatal undoing.

Allen
June 16, 2015 7:25 pm

Not your best post, Anthony. Your blog is at its best when it sticks to discussions of science.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Allen
June 17, 2015 2:43 am

Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming was, is, and never will be science.

Patrick
Reply to  Allen
June 17, 2015 3:28 am

Do you receive critisism for comments/posts on blogs you make that others don’t like? I understand that Anthony has the right to what is posted here at WUWT. Get used to it!

June 16, 2015 7:49 pm

Did the Pope receive his information about contingent futures for the climate by divine revelation? Did he receive it by reading of the results of scientific research? The latter is impossible as this research was not scientific. This state of affairs leaves the possibilities that the Pope received his information by: a) divine revelation or b) mistaking a pseudoscience for a science. Alternative b) is the error made by the Church that led to the imprisonment of Galileo and subsequent humiliation of the Church. It sounds as though under this Pope the Church is about to make an error of the same kind.

Reply to  Terry Oldberg
June 16, 2015 11:11 pm

And, Terry, that IS the issue, isn’t it – WHY HAS HE DONE THIS? It’s not divine revelation – God’s not ignorant… so then why bypass knowledge & understanding? Again… this is the real issue – good post.

johann wundersamer
June 17, 2015 5:38 am

‘Now I say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church.’
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It’s not about opinion, doctrins or the truth / science.
Peter is as numb as a rock – but readstead dogmatic.
on such rocks you can build churches.
Regards – Hans