The 'uncertainty monster' bites back at IPCC scientists

WUWT readers may recall this paper from Dr. Judith Curry where the “uncertainty monster” was given life.

The uncertainty monster has bitten back. It seems that the IPCC botched more than just AR5 in 2013, they also botched their own press conference on the Summary for Policy Makers in Stockholm by not paying attention to their own uncertainty figures, something we saw recently when 2014 was declared the “hottest year ever”, but NASA GISS was really only 38% sure, finally having to concede that point of uncertainty. The author writes in an email communication regarding journalist David Rose and the “ill-posed” question during the IPCC SPM conference:

We refer to the dismissal of your question by Michel Jarraud, and the article you subsequently wrote. While it’s not the central finding of the paper, we state that your question was indeed well-founded and not ‘ill-posed’.

Oops.

Improving climate change communication: moving beyond scientific certainty

A new report from The University of Nottingham looks at whether climate scientists threaten their own scientific credibility when trying to make their research accessible to members of the public.

In the last 25 years scientists have become increasingly certain that humans are responsible for changes to the climate. However, for many politicians and members of the public, climate change is still not a particularly pressing concern. In a new report ‘Tension between scientific certainty and meaning complicates communication of IPCC reports’ – published on Nature Climate Change’s website, Dr Gregory Hollin and Dr Warren Pearce from the University’s School of Sociology and Social Policy, look at a press conference held by the IPCC in 2013 in order to better understand the ways in which climate scientists attempt to engage the public through the media.

Public credibility

Dr Pearce says:

“Climate science draws on evidence over hundreds of years, way outside of our everyday experience. During the press conference, scientists attempted to supplement this rather abstract knowledge by emphasising a short-term example: that the decade from 2001 onwards was the warmest that had ever been seen. On the surface, this appeared a reasonable communications strategy. Unfortunately, a switch to shorter periods of time made it harder to dismiss media questions about short-term uncertainties in climate science, such as the so-called ‘pause’ in the rate of increase in global mean surface temperature since the late 1990s. The fact that scientists go on to dismiss the journalists’ concerns about the pause – when they themselves drew upon a similar short-term example – made their position inconsistent and led to confusion within the press conference.”

Accepting tensions

Dr Hollin says:

“Climate change communication is anything but straightforward. When trying to engage the public about climate science, communicators need to be aware that there is a tension between expressing scientific certainty and making climate change meaningful. Acknowledging this tension should help to avoid in the future the kind of confusion caused at the press conference.”

Beyond certainty

Climate change is an area where consistent attempts are made to communicate the certainty of the science. As a result, a spotlight on scientific uncertainties may be seen as unwelcome. However, Dr Hollin and Dr Pearce argue that a discussion of uncertainty may be an unavoidable by-product of attempts to make climate change meaningful.

Dr Pearce adds: “In the run-up to the United Nations climate summit in Paris, making climate change meaningful remains a key challenge. Our analysis of the press conference demonstrates that this cannot be achieved by relying on scientific certainty alone. A broader, more inclusive public dialogue will include crucial scientific details that we are far less certain about. These need to be embraced and acknowledged in order to make climate change meaningful.”

To view a full copy of the report see: Hollin and Pearce – 2015 – Tension between scientific certainty and meaning c (PDF)

There is a blogpost by the authors explaining the article on the University of Nottingham’s Making Science Public blog: http://blogs.nottingham.ac.uk/makingsciencepublic/2015/06/05/ipcc-press-conference

Excerpt:

There was, however, an inconsistency in the argument of the scientists. Scientists consistently

drew on short-term temperature increases in order to give climate change meaning:

“the decade 2001 onwards having been the hottest, the warmest that we have seen”

(Pachauri L261–263).

However, the scientists also understood these short-term temperature increases to be less

certain than the overall theory of climate change:

“periods of less than around thirty years. . . are less relevant” (Stocker, L582–583).

Thus, the meaningful, short-term, temperature changes were actually incorporated at the

expense of certainty. While the intended move was therefore to the top-right quadrant

(position three), the actual move was to the bottom-right quadrant (position four): meaning

had been added but at the expense of certainty.

short-term-uncertainty-phases
Figure 4 | Incoherent attempt to maintain public meaning and certainty. Drawing on temporally local, publicly meaningful information (‘the hottest decade’) proved problematic, as it lent legitimacy to the discussion of other local uncertainties, such as the 15-year ‘pause’. Speakers were repeatedly challenged on the uncertainties connected to this phenomenon: “Your climate change models did not predict there was a slowdown in the warming. How can we be sure about your predicted projections for future warming?” (Harrabin L560–562). Faced with these challenges, speakers retreated from temporally local, publicly meaningful data (position 4) to rearm AGW’s broad certainty (position 2): “we are very clear in our report that it is inappropriate to compare a short-term period of observations with model performance” (Stocker L794–796). This retreat led to confusion, incoherence, and criticism within the press conference.

 

Drawing on meaningful information like ‘the hottest decade’ proved problematic for the

scientists for it is hard to see why the short-term increase in temperature during ‘hottest

decade’ is very different from the short-term decrease in temperature witnessed during the

15-year ‘pause’. Journalists repeatedly asked scientists about the pause and, in particular,

how they could be increasingly certain about climate change in the face of such an

uncertainty:

“Your climate change models did not predict there was a slowdown in the warming.

How can we be sure about your predicted projections for future warming?” (Harrabin

L560–562).

Faced with these questions, scientists insisted that short-term temperature changes were

irrelevant for climate science:

“we are very clear in our report that it is inappropriate to compare a short-term period

of observations with model performance” (Stocker L794–796).

Given the type of statement we saw during phase three it is perhaps unsurprising that this

retreat led to confusion, incoherence, and criticism within the press conference.

David Rose was one of the causalities of that press conference, now vindicated. From the paper:

This `temporal segmentation’ enabled the pause to be dismissed as scientifically irrelevant, suggesting that journalists’ questions on the matter couldbe ignored. Jarraud oered just such a dismissal to Rose’s question, which he claimed was “from a scientific point of view: : : what we would call an ill-posed question” (L827828), essentially dismissing Rose as scientifically illiterate. The terms of this dismissal, however, seem inconsistent with the temporally localized claims made by speakers during the press conference. The speakers oscillated between two positions: one of broad certainty but little public meaning, the other of public meaning but little broad certainty (Fig.4). This striking incoherence was noted by Alex Morales of Bloomberg News who asked why 15-year periods are considered by the speakers if they hold no scientific value (L965969).

When Rose published his article the following day, the quote “your question is ill-posed!” was given headline status, and derided as a misjudged response to “a simple question”. We do not wish to claim here that Rose was particularly sympathetic to the IPCC before the press conference, but in this instance his question was well founded. It exposed how attempts during the press conference to increase public meaning undermined the very scientific certainty that representatives were trying to communicate, and then leverage, to procure public meaning.

Congratulations to journalist David Rose, who because of articles like this one about the IPCC, was labeled ““climate misinformer of the year”, by Media Matters, a label now most certainly, “ill-posed”.

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Dave in Canmore
June 8, 2015 11:52 am

It’s time for the people who pay for the IPCC and GISS and the NOAA to somehow gain control over these institutions that are using slight of hand, adjustments, and post hoc corrections to their media circuses.
These institutions would be under investigation if they were in the private sector! Why are they getting a free pass when we control them? Things have gone way to far and we have been far too patient with this nonsense.
Time to end the patience.

Martin A
June 8, 2015 11:58 am

It’s beginning to unravel.

Bernie
Reply to  Martin A
June 8, 2015 12:16 pm

Yes, one will emerge to take the glory, and this gravy train ends for the others.

mpaul
June 8, 2015 11:59 am

97% of climate scientist agree that humans are the cause of the majority of warming… with 8% certainty.

June 8, 2015 12:01 pm

Climate scientists talking out of both sides of their mouths?
Calling weather climate and climate weather?
Nooooo. Who would have thunk it?

Ed
June 8, 2015 12:05 pm

“A new report from The University of Nottingham looks at whether climate scientists threaten their own scientific credibility” What’s that, then?

Alx
June 8, 2015 12:15 pm

“increase public meaning…”
Oh goody.
Meanwhile I am 98% certain of my 38% uncertainty and 100% certain of the certainty of my uncertainty. making me pretty certain about just about everything.

Reply to  It doesn't add up...
June 8, 2015 1:05 pm

This really should be a guest main post.
I don’t like the f-word but the graph tells a shady story.

Reply to  MCourtney
June 8, 2015 1:45 pm

In discussing Karl et al elsewhere, just a few hours before I found the above I posted:

As Richard Feynman pointed out, when your physical model is not consistent with the facts it’s time to look for a better model. It is the increasing divergence between prediction and reality that is troubling for climate science, a divergence that is starting to invalidate many models on normal statistical criteria. That is why we see climate scientists offering fresh explanations for the deviation between model and observation – which is precisely what they should be doing. It’s a process akin to adding more deferents to a medieval orrery, which is probably a good analogy for the state of climate science.
Sadly, one of the great temptations for scientists is to fiddle the data or observation methodology to fit their prior beliefs: there have been many famous cases in different branches of science over the years – consider the history of the measurement of the electric charge first done by Millikan to pick one example that is well away from climate science. If we are to make genuine progress in the underlying science we must be careful to avoid such pitfalls, which is why it is important to scrutinise papers such as Karl et al with particular care.

I agree it should be a main post: I imagine Tony Heller may be in transit.

urederra
June 8, 2015 12:53 pm

“the decade 2001 onwards having been the hottest, the warmest that we have seen”
(Pachauri L261–263).

He might have been talking about women, not climate.

Taphonomic
June 8, 2015 1:21 pm

Article sez: “the decade 2001 onwards having been the hottest, the warmest that we have seen”
(Pachauri L261–263).”
One has to wonder if Pachy is referring to the temperature or his misguided attempted sexual exploits.

Mary Brown
June 8, 2015 1:33 pm

They are only “38% sure 2014 was the warmest on record”. Well, I’m 100% sure it wasn’t. The Wood For Trees Index combines all the major temp indexes which ensures that you don’t just cherry pick from your favorite. WFTI was nowhere close to a record in 2014.
http://postimg.org/image/ti74n6tap/
The five year moving average is near the highest ever… but it has only gone up 0.31 deg C in 31 years… exactly a rate of 1.0 deg per century.

Reply to  Mary Brown
June 8, 2015 11:08 pm

And the thing about moving averages is that they move. As the saying goes: “what goes up, must come down”

Mary Brown
Reply to  wickedwenchfan
June 9, 2015 5:44 am

“As the saying goes: “what goes up, must come down””
That’s how the saying goes, but physics don’t work that way. If the atmosphere’s sum of positive forcings is greater than the negative forcings, then it will warm

Sasha
June 8, 2015 1:33 pm

“…However, for many politicians and members of the public, climate change is still not a particularly pressing concern…”
In that case, you might wonder how the leaders of the G7 are going to explain to their adoring public the agreement they just made today to completely phase out the use of all fossil fuels by 2100.

Robert of Ottawa
Reply to  Sasha
June 8, 2015 7:20 pm

The year 100 is deliberately chosen to be meaningless, just too far into the future.

Roy Spencer
June 8, 2015 1:40 pm

some great points made, people.

Eugene WR Gallun
June 8, 2015 1:52 pm

Same old story — they are still trying to figure out what size lie people will swallow. Eugene WR Gallun

Theo Goodwin
June 8, 2015 2:10 pm

So, what is the upshot of all this? Climate scientists cannot discuss temperature changes over short periods of time. Why? Is there some accepted theoretical position that explains this? No. The explanation is that any such discussion cannot but reveal the incoherence in what climate scientists call their theory.

indefatigablefrog
June 8, 2015 2:34 pm

Well, we tried to convince everybody that total gullibility was the only option.
By linking reasoned investigation and the asking of sensible questions with holocaust denial and nutjob conspiracy ideation.
You lot were supposed to have been stigmatized and disenfranchised and to have given up by now.
Instead, you are still poring over the science and forcing us to declare that we can only have “low confidence” for any association between extreme weather events and AGW.
“Low confidence”!! Do you have any idea how feeble that makes it all sound.
You’ve basically ruined everything.
We don’t have a frightening hockey stick to show people. All that we are now able to say is that some irrelevant crap may happen to some stuff that people don’t really care about, possibly, in the long term future and with low confidence.
Pretty soon smart people are going to figure out that that rising weather-related insurance claims graph simply results from people insuring more stuff at higher values.
And if society doesn’t shift away from fossil fuels then how are we going to explain the fact that the weather isn’t doing anything very scary or remarkable?
The way that we planned it we were going to be able to explain that the normal weather was the result of the mitigation that we had proposed and stage-managed.
We were going to be heralded as the saviours of civilization.
If there is no mitigation then how are we going to explain the normal weather of the future.
These days people are more afraid of ISIS.
And yet what have they done? They don’t even have a detailed report containing scary graphs.
We did everything possible to play on the tendency of humans to misattribute normal weather variability to an over-arching multi-decadal trend.
They already do that, anyway. It’s an already existing cognitive bias.
So this should have been like feeding candy to babies.
And we would have gotten away with it all, if it hadn’t been for you pesky skeptics.
(Correction: Apparently, ISIS do have a report containing scary graphs. So well done to them. Credit where credit is due.)

Crispin in Waterloo but really in Yogyakarta
Reply to  indefatigablefrog
June 8, 2015 3:13 pm

Angela Merkel is SO not going to appoint you her next Minister of the Environment!

Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo but really in Yogyakarta
June 8, 2015 4:23 pm

“Well my “Climate Scientists” say it is this big, and they are bigger liars than the ones you have”:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/heres-great-photo-angela-merkel-132000195.html

indefatigablefrog
Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo but really in Yogyakarta
June 9, 2015 5:33 am

Actually, I am Merkel’s current minister for the environment.
Why do you think that I am not using my real name.
Having to pretend for years that my country was the world leader in renewables whilst sinking hundred’s of billions of euros into ineffective subsidies. And this disaster, whilst noting all along that my country is still burning as much coal per year as it was two decades ago. This nightmarish disaster has certainly caused me to ask some serious questions.
And even our impressive sounding renewables figure is mostly padded out with biomass and waste incineration. What is so wunderbar about biomass? Have not, always, people burned trees? This is not progress. How can we go on pretending?
People out there, still believe the stupid facebook memes saying that we get 50% of our electricity from solar. The reality is that it’s barely 5% of our total electricity consumption. And now we have the most expensive electricity in the world. We have to grant special subsidies to industrial plants, just so that they can still afford to run a kettle to make tea.
Every day, I feel like a total fraud.
However I must, of course, keep schtum about my growing doubts.
Or I too, will be labelled as a denier.
We have retreated to the bunker now.
We can hear the sound of skeptics pounding our defenses with their awkward questions.
These days all I have to console myself, is anonymous trolling on WUWT!!

Reply to  indefatigablefrog
June 8, 2015 11:12 pm

They (ISIS) also received lots of funding from the Western taxpayer!

jim hogg
June 8, 2015 2:54 pm

Swill . . All they have to do is tell it like it is, not how they want it to be . .

Crispin in Waterloo but really in Yogyakarta
June 8, 2015 3:10 pm

If the comment “38% certainty” had been accompanied by “62% uncertainty” the public would have been “communicated to” a lot more forthrightly.
So it turns out that not all people who can think are climate scientists. Some are reporters.

David Chappell
Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo but really in Yogyakarta
June 9, 2015 7:09 am

Actually, very few people really understand the concept of %.

Steve Thayer
June 8, 2015 3:31 pm

I think the climate scientists dismiss the pause because not enough time has elapsed since the pause has or is occuring. They have not had enough time to do repeated revisions to the data to make a significant rising pattern appear. In the year 2000 James Hansen’s assessment of the temperature trend in the US for the 20th century was essentially that there was a pause, in that there was no significant trend in the temperature. Now, 15 years later, after many revisions to the data, the temperature data for the US in the 80s and 90s has a significant warming trend. Just give the climate guys time, in another decade or two this current “pause” will be revised slowly but surely into a rising pattern that is much more conducive to selling support for global warming study funding to the public and to our governments. The only hurdle they have is getting the RSS data thrown under the bus as corrupt data, then all we will have is their adjusted and revised ground data.

Evan Jones
Editor
Reply to  Steve Thayer
June 8, 2015 6:32 pm

The only hurdle they have is getting the RSS data thrown under the bus as corrupt data, then all we will have is their adjusted and revised ground data.
Show them the UAH (skeptics) and RSS (alamists) graphs from 2001 or 2002. Then comment that maybe those results might suggest that they are both being as honest as they know how. Then average the two.
All reasonable ground freely given, trend results copacetic. Like the man says, you got to know how to communicate with these (my) people.

Evan Jones
Editor
Reply to  Evan Jones
June 8, 2015 8:00 pm

P.S., don’t forget to mention that LT trend is an upper bound.

indefatigablefrog
June 8, 2015 4:03 pm

“the decade 2001 onwards having been the hottest, the warmest that we have seen”
(Pachauri L261–263).
Fair enough. And so what, if it is? We have some fairly reasonable estimates of global temp. records since 1850. I would expect that most decades since 1850 were the warmest ever seen since the depths of the LIA. Probably with the notable exceptions of the 40’s and 50’s which were cooler than the 30’s.
If you have a gradual upward trend then you tend to find yourself living in the warmest decade seen. Because each successive decade tends to be slightly warmer than the one before, on average.
The people of the 1870’s or the 1930’s were living in the warmest decades seen at that time.
Thank god that the people of 1870 didn’t panic and decide to stop exploiting fossil fuels in order to prevent the a massive ecological catastrophe 100 years later.
Here we all are. Still having warmest decades ever.
So what?
Honestly, hiatus schmiatus.
None of this has any bearing on the real questions.
Questions like, do we really want to be told how to live our lives by idiots?

Bruce Cobb
June 8, 2015 5:03 pm

“Uncertainty monster”? Meh. Just wait until the Reality Kraken is unleashed.

Evan Jones
Editor
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
June 8, 2015 6:22 pm

How did you get it on a leash?

perplexed
June 8, 2015 5:18 pm

Does anybody know what the uncertainty ranges associated with annual temperature anomalies represent? For example, NASA says that the land temperatures for 2014 have an uncertainty of +- 0.2C while the ocean temps have an uncertainty of +- 0.04C. That our vast network of land thermometers over 30% of the globe produce a less certain result (5 times more uncertain) than a sporadic network over 70% of the globe seems pretty counter-intuitive to me. We can’t possibly be taking temperature readings in the oceans at the geographical resolution we are on land. Is this just instrumental uncertainty or is there actually a calculation of error that results from the statistical interpolation of temperatures over 2D areas and over time?
Is there an assumption that spatial and/or temporal variation of ocean temperatures is so much less than land that you can get away with fewer readings? Do the ocean temperature readings come in 24 times a day compared to only max and min temps recorded on land?
Everything I’ve read indicates that the ocean temperature record is a mess of unreliable and contaminated data sources mixed all together, where only recently have we had the capability to reliably measure a temperature at a particular spot. Even assuming that the 2014 ocean temps have a low instrumental uncertainty, how could that low uncertainty translate to a long-term anomaly where you have to compute an average temperature using unreliable measurements?

June 8, 2015 6:06 pm

Bullcrap. It’s not that the scientists can’t communicate their certainty. The scientists have no certainty, either. They just pretend to have it.
You know what they have? They have arbitrary accuracy, pretend precision, and convenient certainty.
They know very well how uncertain the temperature record is, especially after homogenization.
We can see the evidence on GISS’s own website:
“In 99.9% of the cases you’ll find that anomalies are exactly what you need, not absolute temperatures. In the remaining cases, you have to pick one of the available climatologies and add the anomalies (with respect to the proper base period) to it. For the global mean, the most trusted models produce a value of roughly 14°C, i.e. 57.2°F, but it may easily be anywhere between 56 and 58°F and regionally, let alone locally, the situation is even worse.”
They’ll admit in a FAQ that they don’t even know the GMST of the base period with accuracy to a degree Fahrenheit. But they sure won’t say that in a press release or a news conference.
Odd, isn’t it, how they never get asked about that. It’s like the stenographers… I mean, the reporters… don’t read up on the subject beforehand.
And the uncertainty is even larger, they admit, for regional or local temperature records. How they have more certainty for the entire globe than they do, say, for a city is something of a mystery to me…………

Reply to  ELCore (@OneLaneHwy)
June 8, 2015 6:07 pm
Evan Jones
Editor
Reply to  ELCore (@OneLaneHwy)
June 8, 2015 6:13 pm

Well, I always use anomalized data (I do it myself). You have to if there are missing datapoints or station dropout (so it’s not needed for the adjusted stuff). But I have always thought it was bogus (yet not strictly inaccurate) to peg it to a baseline. Anomalize the durn thing to itself, only. That tells you how much it cooled and warmed (and you you have one less cheap excuse to paint the whole map red). And the trends, of course, are identical to the raw data.

Evan Jones
Editor
June 8, 2015 6:06 pm

A broader, more inclusive public dialogue will include crucial scientific details that we are far less certain about. These need to be embraced and acknowledged in order to make climate change meaningful.
And that, chilluns, is called the Dialectic. Hegel used it to define truths and prevent riots.
His successors use it to spread falsehoods and incite riots. And they do not appreciate it when their own weapons are turned upon them. They can dish it out, but they can’t take it.

DDP
June 8, 2015 6:38 pm

“Climate science draws on evidence over hundreds of years, way outside of our everyday experience. ”
And then scientists either ignore it or try to remove it from the record. Preferring to point alarmist fingers at any recent changes in living memory, and ignoring the short term cyclical nature of the climate within the long term cycles to sell their argument to the public who are led to believe their everyday experience has somehow changed because of their actions in their lifetime.
Twice in the past month i’ve heard marine biologists on the BBC claiming (slightly) warmer seas around the UK are evidence of climate change in the past 30 years (barnacle growth), or might be because of climate change (whale migration). So nothing to do with the AMO being positive then?

Robert of Ottawa
June 8, 2015 7:11 pm

The Warmistas spend far to much energy on getting the propaganda right to lead one to the impression that perhaps it is all a lie.

Reply to  Robert of Ottawa
June 8, 2015 7:56 pm

Exactly. “Improving climate change communication.” That means “Try to make the message more effective.” Now why would any bona fide scientists have a “message”? Because they are not true scientists at all; they are trying to convince the public to join them in a Cause. To the point where they are perfectly happy to have their Scholastic scribes “adjust” (i.e. falsify) the data.
They Priests don’t need to falsify the data to convince the public; all they have to do is make emphatic claims, like “The Earth is the warmest it’s ever been!” The Scribes have to to falsify the data to befuddle the skeptical scientists, the real scientists, who will be predictably swamped in endless arguments about minutiae: “Was that adjustment correct? But what if. . .?” The Scholastics will be preoccupied with whether you can homogenize some of the angels to make them fit on the pin with the others or whether we should use a different pin. The High Priests will ignore than and exhort the Faithful to follow them and prevent the awful Climate Apocalypse to come.
“Improving climate change communication” also means dealing with the heretics—suppressing them, punishing them. The tyranny of the Believers begins with ostracism, and then. . .
/Mr Lynn

Reply to  L. E. Joiner
June 8, 2015 7:58 pm

Correction: “The High Priests will ignore all that and exhort the Faithful to follow them and prevent the awful Climate Apocalypse to come.”

Evan Jones
Editor
Reply to  L. E. Joiner
June 8, 2015 8:11 pm

“The High Priests will ignore all that and exhort the Faithful to follow them and prevent the awful Climate Apocalypse to come.”
this is the trend
beau-ti-ful trend, my friend
this is the trend
the Tmean trend, to end
I’ll never win the nobel prize again
I’ll never homogenize again.