Guest essay by David Archibald
It is a significant fact that half the protein the world eats has its origin in fossil fuels. We are all aware of the green revolution that, amongst other things, saw dwarf strains of wheat increase yields by a couple of hundred percent. There was another revolution in agriculture sixty years prior to the green revolution. That was the development of the Haber-Bosch process of combining hydrogen and nitrogen to produce nitrogenous fertiliser.
The plants that produce that fertiliser, the source of half of the protein we eat, run on natural gas or coal. One day these fossil fuels will run out. Does that mean that half of our population starves? It does if we don’t have a way of producing nitrogenous fertilisers cheaply using something other than natural gas or coal.
And it won’t be sunbeams or wisps of the wind that will keep people fed. Those things barely pay for themselves, if that. Take the case of the Ivanpah solar facility in California built at a cost of $2.2 billion. Rated at 392 MW, Ivanpah is a near 20-fold scale up from the previous largest solar thermal facility of 20 MW in Spain. Despite all the engineering that went into the design of Ivanpah, it operated at least 40% below design in 2014.
The chief economist of the International Energy Agency, a warmer by the name of Fatih Birol, once said ‘One day we will run out of oil, it is not today or tomorrow, but one day we will run out of oil and we have to leave oil before oil leaves us.” What is true of oil, the liquid fossil fuel, is also true of the solid, coal, and the gaseous form, natural gas. One may quibble about the detail but the overall effect will look something like this:
Figure 1: Fossil Fuel Production 1800 – 2300
Oil production will be the first to start the long decline to oblivion. We can fix the problem of declining transport fuel availability by a form of alchemy that converts coal into gasoline, diesel and jet fuel. And we will be doing that. But it will be another short term fix until the coal runs out. You might think we have a lot of coal. We had a lot of oil too, once – until we burnt it. Converting coal into the transport fuels we need will double the rate of our coal consumption. And our coal endowment will be largely gone in our grandchildren’s lifetimes.
If we combine the data from Figure 1 with world population growth, we get this figure:
Figure 2: Per Capital World Fossil Fuel Production 1800 – 2300
Per capita fossil fuel production falls off a cliff in 2030. Projections of agricultural land available to be brought into production suggest that the system might cope with growing demand at least up until the late 2030s. Fossil fuel availability though indicates that prices will start accelerating well before then.
There is no alternative – nuclear energy is the only energy source that has any prospect of making good the looming fall in energy supply. Only nuclear power has any hope of being cheap enough to provide the energy to cook up the slew of chemicals and fuels we need to maintain our high standard of living. But it won’t be nuclear power as it is commonly understood. That is power plants burning U235 and using water as the coolant. Civilisation took a wrong turn way back in the 1950s when that technology became dominant in the nuclear power industry.
There are a number of reasons why it was a wrong turn. Firstly, U235 is only one thousandth of the nuclear fuel available to us. The best nuclear fuel, thorium, is eight hundred times more abundant. If you like to believe in a Creator who made the earth as a paradise for us to inhabit, U235 is the nuclear match made for us to light the fire that will sustain civilisation indefinitely. We are still burning that nuclear match though and we should have already moved on from that.
The second big problem with nuclear power plants running on U235 is decay heat. You can’t turn off nuclear power plants instantaneously. They continue to produce heat for a while after the reactions have been shut down. If the cooling water doesn’t circulate for some reason during this period, then there is a good chance you will get a hydrogen explosion. This is what happened at Fukushima which had three reactors blow up due to hydrogen explosions.
The question now being asked about thorium reactors is, if they are so wonderful, why haven’t they been developed yet? The only major company that once expressed an interest in developing molten salt thorium reactors was Teledyne Brown. There are a number of startups in the thorium space but none seem to have traction yet.
Perhaps the reason is that nobody has looked past the development of a commercial thorium reactor, a wonderful thing in itself, to the enormous commercial opportunity that follows from that. Let’s assume that each thorium power plant is 250 MWe, the same size as the conceptual design at Oak Ridge National Laboratory 50 years ago. Assuming no economic growth that required a higher rate of build, just replacing declining fossil fuel production to 2100 would require the building of 14,500 units at 250 MWe. The build rate would get to about 300 a year by mid-century. The rate could be 30% to 40% higher than that if carbon-based transport fuels are going to be created from hydrogen from electrolysis and carbon scavenged from forestry and agricultural waste. Also assuming that each unit lasts for sixty years before it has to be replaced, then the ramp up of replacement units in the second half of the century is just as fast as the initial ramp up as per Figure 3 following:
Figure 3: Number of 250 MWe nuclear reactors required by year to 2100
Thorium molten salt reactors, without the need for all the backup safety systems that U235 nuclear plants have, should be no more expensive to build than coal-fired plants. This is an overnight capital cost of $3,246/kW as opposed to U235 nuclear at $5,530/kW. At that rate, a 250 MWe plant would cost about $800 million. Building 300 per annum would provide a revenue of $240 billion per annum.
To put that in perspective, in the first quarter of 2015 the commercial division of Boeing sold 184 aircraft for $15.4 billion. That is an average revenue of $84 million per aircraft. The list price of a 737-800 is $93.3 million. Annualised, Boeing has a revenue of $60 billion per annum from its commercial aircraft division. Our prospective thorium reactor builder would become four times larger in the base case.
That will be the reward for saving humanity from a bleak future by developing the thorium molten salt reactor – owning an enormous industrial enterprise.
David Archibald, a visiting fellow at the Institute of World Politics in Washington, D.C., is the author of Twilight of Abundance (Regnery, 2014)
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The green scams do not work to get below about a 15% reduction in CO2. The main issue is intermediate power sources require storage, to get below 15% reduction in CO2 emissions to produce electrical power to meet the US power needs. That is an engineering fact not a theory. See Germany who have reached the absolute limit of the green scams after spending $750 billion dollars (cost of electricity in Germany is three times that in the US.)
Storage increases the cost of green scams by a factor of 10 to 20 and reduces efficiency by say 40%. Second non trivial issue is the amount of land required and limited locations for wind and solar. German solar and wind installations produce power at slightly less than 20% of the nameplate maximum rating of the solar and wind installations averaged over a year.
Also non trivial issue is aviation contributes roughly 10% and agriculture 18% of the CO2/greenhouse gas emissions.
The planet is about to abruptly cool and CO2 levels will drop as no more than 33% of the recent rise in atmospheric CO2 is due to anthropogenic CO2 emissions, but what the heck, if we insist that we must reduce CO2 emission, nuclear power is the only answer. The problem is the only thing the greens hate more than CO2 is nuclear power.
The greens also hate critical scientific/engineering analysis, so they continue to push green scams which do not work for basic engineering and economic reasons.
Thorium nuclear reactors are a type of breeder reactor. They can consume U238 (Natural Uranium) or Thorium.
Current light water reactors, can only consume U238 enriched with U235 (There is a limited amount of U235. U235 is used to create an atomic bomb). Current light water reactors consume roughly 1% of the fissionable energy in Uranium.
Breeder type reactors are roughly a factor of 100 more efficient than a light water reactor. They consume almost all fissionable material and produce more U235 than they consume.
There are many, many hundreds of millions of years of fissionable material (Natural uranium or thorium) for breeder reactors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breeder_reactor
1. Not all thorium reactors need be breeder reactors.
2. Were thorium to be only used in conventional light water reactors, it would still be a superior fuel. That’s because spent fuel would be much easier to recycle, as there will be hardly any plutonium in it, and the U-233 present is an excellent fuel source.
3. No breeder reactor produces U-235. They all use it up. Thorium breeders produce U-233 which is the best possible fuel for a reactor using moderated neutrons. Uranium breeders produce Pu-239 (plutonium-239) which is inferior with moderated neutrons but very good with fast neutrons.
4. Current light water reactors consume just over ½% of the fissionable energy in natural uranium.
5. Breeder reactors are nearly 200 times more efficient than a light water burner reactors in fuel use.
Amen.
Angela Merkel, the Phd physicist (!), had flattened Germany’s actually working thorium reactor because she will do anything to hold on to her chair – I could never ‘forgive’ her that…
Poor analysis of peak oil and worse analysis of nuclear power.
I applaud the message, but getting the data right would have made it a better article.
Of course the other thing oil supplies is plastic and similar products. When oil eventually runs out we lose a whole plethora of other products.
No. Look up synthesis gas. Eastman Chemical still uses coal. Dow is mostly nat gas IIRC. One can use any carbon based feed stock and at least one company uses trash. Wood works well too, and we can grow up to 50 wet tons per acre.
Rayon is made from cellulose, as is your viscous sponge (named for the gooy celulose solution used to make it.) There are dozens of bioplastics. Oh, and bacteria can be used to make chemical feedstocks too. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetone%E2%80%93butanol%E2%80%93ethanol_fermentation
used during W.W.I so well understood…
William Astley, lots of assertions, and I appreciate the direction, but if you have some links, that would be great! Thanks
DA
A point I have made before is that the cost of testing most of these advanced technologies (thorium, ITER, Polywell, LENR, etc) is a tiny fraction of the current expenditure on wind and solar. It works out at something like 13 days’ worth of global renewables expenditure to build a fullscale fusion reactor. A thorium reactor, considerably less. In which case, what are we waiting for?
We only need one of these technologies to work, and we’ve both solved the energy problem and kept the climate alarmists happy.
So if I give you 13 days worth of global renewables expenditure, when can you deliver my working full scale fusion reactor.
I notice you didn’t say a working reactor; just a full scale one.
Can you give us a link to a proven design of a working full scale fusion reactor. One that will run continuously; not a bomb one.
Another set of graphs extremely confidently predicting peak fossil fuel production. Interesting.
Seems a lot of others have already commented on the nonsense of “Peak Oil”, but I too would like to put in my $0.02.
Just 8 short years ago when Obama and Biden were running for office and gasoline was 4
$4.00+/ gallon the popular mantra from the left was that we couldn’t drill our way out of the oil shortage; there wasn’t enough available; we HAD to switch immediately to alternatives, etc. This of course perfectly coincided with Al Gore and the scare mongering about CO2 and destroying the planet. Fast forward to 2014, and the USA became the number one oil producer in the world, so much so that the Saudi’s lowered their prices to break the back of the US oil industry. Looks like they were wrong then and as many others have stated they will ALWAYS be wrong since it is merely a question of economics that limits extraction and utilization of resources like oil and gas.
Another commonly misunderstood reality of oil extraction is the amount removed is merely a small fraction of the total amount available within the formation. In most instances even after utilizing enhanced recovery techniques, the most successful efforts result in less than 30% of the oil on the formation being extracted. Simple math means upwards of 70% of the oil is still in field we already know exist, it is merely a matter of time, technology and desire before methods are developed to extract more of the remaining oil.
Considering we have known fields with enough recoverable oil using todays technology to supply the world with oil for the next 50 years, then it seems to me that Peak Oil is more than my grandchildren’s generation away.
Matthew Epp
A couple of points:
1) I suspect a thorium system would cost significantly more than a conventional fossil fuel powered generator due to its containment needs (we would not want any leaks would we) and the need for continuous fuel reprocessing which is currently work in progress.
2) The main benefit of this article are the graphs illustrating the need for a massive industrial push to get replacements of any kind, built, when oil etc reaches very high prices. Effectively one new large generator per day for the foreseeable future is some big push!
3) Some commenters note that many mention 200 years of coal left. Should they add “if coal is used at its current rate”? Because if oil and LNG rise greatly in price, coal use will accelerate dramatically.
4) When fossil fuels reach very high prices then windmills and air compressor, storage type systems will become economically viable!!!!
Thorium was my choice before LENR was shown to work at kW levels. LENR is much cheaper, safer and totally free of pollution problems.
A commercial 1 MW plant has been in operation about half a year with the results of the trial to be posted at the end of 2015.
See the plant under construction last year. http://andrea-rossi.com/1mw-plant/
LFTR progress.
China “employing a team of 430 scientists and engineers, a number planned to rise to 750 by 2015.” Expect first commercial pant 2025. ref Economist.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ambroseevans-pritchard/100026863/china-going-for-broke-on-thorium-nuclear-power-and-good-luck-to-them/
India also plans to have a LFTR runing in about 10 years.
I believe the the full cycle is still illegal in the US because of a law designed to reduce risk of proliferation.
At this point, the claims by Rossi and his partners of a working 1 MW plant, appear to emanate from within the realms of illusion.
Any hopes for a less than opaque revelation at year’s end from that crew are nothing but blind faith- key word- blind.
Oh, is that the Rossi thing? Rossi and his pigs-will-fly reactor…
And who ever said a 1Mw reactor is commercial? That will only light 10,000 100-watt light bulbs. Or run 500 blow dryers. That is NOT commercial.
“we have to leave oil before oil leaves us.”
Quite idiotic and misanthropic slogan, like “we have to leave life before life leaves us”.
In reality, we all strive to enjoy oil and life before they leave us, the hypocritical malthusians included.
The solution to all the problems of alarmism, lack of energy innovation, bad economic policy, inflation, deflation, housing market meddling, stifling regulation, Green pseudo environmental statism, and on and on is:
STOP VOTING LEFT! STOP VOTING FOR DEMOCRATS, LIBERALS, SOCIALISTS, PROGRESSIVES or whatever other euphemisms they come up with to hide their anti human and anti freedom ideology. Do it while you still have a vote because in many countries they do not!
Spread the word!
Stop voting for politicians=problem solved!
Thorium is a fascinating technology.
For anyone who wants to learn about thorium, here are a couple of links to talks by Kirk Sorenson who speaks around the world about it.
LFTRs in 5 minutes – Thorium Reactors: http://youtu.be/uK367T7h6ZY
Thorium: An Energy Solution – Thorium Remix 2011: http://youtu.be/P9M__yYbsZ4
Fusion certainly was demonstrated in the 1950s with the hydrogen bomb and they have achieved plasma temperatures of ~2 billion C for fractions of a second. Perhaps we are thinking too small in trying to encapsulate this plasma. Maybe a hydrogen bomb at a depth of 10km underground would melt a large glass-walled “container” of molten rock that we could draw heat from for a few hundred years for electricity. It should be relatively easy to get the environmental permits!! Okay, then we can work back from there.
Yeah, and for 60 years now they’ve been trying to figure out how to contain a fusion reaction (not to mention sustaining the reaction) – WE ARE STILL WAITING.
Like solar, fusion is never going to be viable.
Technically, solar is very “viable”
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Remember, fossil fuels all originated from solar.
Good numbers IRT the decline in use of fertilizers and pesticides: http://thebreakthrough.org/index.php/journal/issue-5/the-return-of-nature
“Despite predictions of runaway ecological destruction, beginning in the 1970s, Americans began to consume less and tread more lightly on the planet. Over the past several decades, through technological innovation, Americans now grow more food on less acres, eat more sources of meat that are less land-intrusive, and used water more efficiently so that water use is lower than in 1970. The result: lands that were once used for farms and logging operations are now returning as forests and grasslands, along with wildlife, such as the return of humpback whales off the shores of New York City. As Jesse Ausubel elucidates in a new essay for Breakthrough Journal, as humans depend less on nature for the well-being, the more nature they have returned.”
Chris –
Wow, that article is terrific.
As an engineer I can appreciate the numbers that Jesse Ausubel puts up. So many people have their eyes glaze over at the first chart, but those who can’t catch the drift are missing out on how much the numbers can tell us. And without the numbers, all of the main stream media pap is leading people astray. Because of very REAL reasons, nature is expanding – because humans are not needing to exploit forests and prairies as much.
The world is NOT getting killed by humans.
Instead, humans for altruistic and practical and selfish (profit-making) reasons are making the world MORE nature-friendly than we were 50 years ago. What was true in the past is not true in the present. And the trends all say that it will not be true in the future either.
Nature is winning because we are. Not in spite of us, but BECAUSE of us.
As Matt Ridley says, the world is GREENING. These numbers agree.
I have a sneaking feeling that even if someone created a working, practical, room-temperature fusion reactor that runs on sea water the architects of green dissent would find a way to try to shoot it down and declare that there is still a crisis.
When we truly figure out an economical power source, I’ll bet it won’t be Thorium.
Then again, civilization probably won’t last that long.
And you base these opinions on what exactly? Your gut? The messages you get from the main stream media, day in and day out?
China announced last year that their first test Thorium Molten Salt Reactor (MSR) will go online this year, and their deadline for a commercially viable MSR design for large-scale rollout has been slashed from 2044 to 2023.
If China is successful in meeting these new objectives, a second tidal wave of industrial production will flood China’s shores to take advantage of near-free and unlimited electrical power ($0.03/kWh), which will gut the remaining industrial sectors of Western economies, following the first tidal wave in the 90’s and 2000’s.
Moreover, the waste heat after gas-turbine power generation will be used to synthesize cheap jet fuel, diesel, fertilizers, plastics and other hydrocarbons… In addition, rare radioactive isotopes removed during molten salt reprocessing will also be a revenue stream for China’s MSRs…
China’s MSRs located near oceans will use their waste heat to desalinate sea water to address their fresh-water supply shortage problem. .
Meanwhile, leftist Western government hacks are wasting $trillions on extremely inefficient and expensive wind and solar power plants that produce paltry amounts of energy @ur momisugly $0.30/kWh, to address the “CAGW crisis” that doesn’t even exist…
Western politicians are also wasting $billions addressing the Middle East meltdown to secure their ME oil interests, when oil may well be on its way to becoming much less important.
The upside is that with this loss of oil revenue, Islamic terrorists will lose their funding to wage war on the infidels…
We live in interesting times.
I like your list of waste heat uses. Kirk Sorenson talks about running desalination plants with the waste heat.
Imagine desalination plants along the Saudi coastline, pumping water into their deserts boggles my mind. Imagine all the water they can manage, flowing in irrigation canals, turning the desert into agricultural oases. (Imagine green fools picketing, telling the Saudis that they are ruining the habitat of some desert rats or lizards…)
I actually have to ask: When Arabs are farmers, will it change their culture? Or will the sheiks simply hire in gazillions of Filipinos?
And not just Saudi Arabia. Think of all of western Australia with enough water to make their desert bloom. Or Namibia. Or even the Sahara with desalination plants all along the Mediterranean.
One constant with these charts, is that they always have us running out of fossil fuels in just a few years.
And have for the last 100.
As we run low on fossil fuels, the price of them goes up.
This causes three things to happen.
1) We get more efficient in how we use fossil fuels.
2) We explore for and develop more fossil fuels.
3) We invent alternatives to fossil fuels.
In other words, we don’t need grand plans to get us off fossil fuels and we certainly don’t need to start spending billions of other people’s dollars to make such plans.
Thanks for a more realistic and safer energy future for man kind. The Greens are presently not able to do this due to blinders, fantasies, ignorance and ideologies.
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/160131-thorium-nuclear-reactor-trial-begins-could-provide-cleaner-safer-almost-waste-free-energy
Thorium MOX (10% Pu blend) being tested in present reactors. BTW we have loads of Pu to burn up from weapons destruction… often used in U-MOX. (Mixed OXide fuel rods)
http://media.cns-snc.ca/uploads/CNS-UOIT_March_2013_EFT_Bromley.pdf
Thorium bundles used elsewhere including India.
China and CANDU test of thoriun bundles preparatory to running an all Thorium CANDU
http://www.the-weinberg-foundation.org/2012/12/28/alternative-fuels-such-as-thorium-in-existing-reactors-china-can-do/
Using Thorium or PWR “spent” fuel in a CANDU
http://www.ccnr.org/advanced_fuel_cycles.html
http://www.ccnr.org/aecl_plute_seminar.html
A report on India from India stating the whole fuel cycle has been done through reprocessing
http://www.barc.gov.in/reactor/tfc.html
and much more is out there.
We are already using thorium, just not very much. India has not stopped their push into the Thorium fuel cycle, only slowed the breeder step under USA pressure,and the Canadians are ready with the CANDU.
Yes, a MSR would be nice, but we are alredy using thorium and can use a lot more without any new reactors.
I will not see any ractor being deployed in Australia because of the ignorance towards nuclear energy. If we are serious about emissions then nuclear is the way forward, no question.
We don’t have a commercial thorium reactor because without a market for 100+ thorium reactors the initial costs and fuel supply chain costs are prohibitively expensive.
Coal availability and costs along with natural gas availability and costs in the US the market have made the new/replacement base-load market in the US extremely limited for the time being.
India and China both have higher coal and natural gas costs as well as a need for massive amounts of new base-load. New base-load technologies…be they nuclear or other will most likely be rolled out in China and India prior to being rolled out in Europe or the US.
Huh? Please explain how the thorium fuel supply chain is porhibitively expensive. That is a nice allegation, but what do you have tom support it?
Thorium can be used in MSRs/LFTRs after a one-step ore separation process. That is it.
At that point in uranium processing, the yellowcake still has to be centrifuged many times, in a cascading process to increase the concentration of U-235 (which is less than 1% of the uranium in ore), at great expense.
Thorium doesn’t need centrifuging, so right there get rid of the need for a Hanford-like facility.
Add to all of that that thorium reserves in the USA already will last us for several decades. Add to that that thorium is normally found with rare earth elements, making its mining doubly cost-effective. Thorium so far has been a waste product of such mining – which means that, essentially, the thorium is free.
In addition, LFTRs are not required at all to be 100% thorium. They can also burn uranium and plutonium – meaning that LFTRs can – and will – be used to reduce the present stockpiles of nuclear waste – BECAUSE they can also include uranium and plutonium.
Wherever you are getting your information, your sources are wrong, dude.
As to the USA market for thorium reactors, be aware that the USA is not driving the interest in thorium reactors and is a non-entity in the equation. And nce the Chinese and Indians have proven, working thorium reactors, producing electricity for $0.03/kWh, it will undercut the price of energy, making it coal and oil that will be the losers.
NOBODY CARES about what the USA is or is not doing in all of this. They aren’t asking for American permission. They would laugh in your face if you even suggested such a thing. The USA will only be a part of it when cities in the USA begin buying Chinese/Indian LFTRs. And those municipalities will do that because of the economic advantages of LFTRs.
I like the Thorium molten salt reactor, but I’d wait to make predictions on the costs until more engineering is done. Seriously, this blogpost seems as pie in the sky as discussion of renewables. I’m curious about the RadPro issues of a liquid-fuel reactor, for one, as well as the engineering challenges of the fluoride salt mixture.
Gas-cooled reactors are another potential reactor technology which would be likely to improve efficiency and safety. There’s the potential for small reactors driving closed cycle gas turbines.
There’s also the fast breeder option, at least for nations that are not under nuclear proliferation concerns. There’s lots of U238 around, and some of the reactor designs could reprocess the waste on site. (the IFR)
The problem with all of these designs is that the NRC is VERY risk-averse. They understand the risks from PWRs and BWRs. I’d honestly be surprised if they let a CANDU get built here. You will need t o have political pressure to get the NRC to consider new designs in a reasonable amount of time.
omegapaladin –
If the USA was part of this, your concerns would be ones being addressed in the engineering rooms and sales departments of the companies involved, ad infinitum. But the USA is NOT involved – BY CHOICE. We had this technology for 40+ years and did nothing with it. Th ball is now in someone else’s court, and I very much assure you that the Chinese government and its 430 engineers and scientists are already past the stage of asking about the costs. And they obviously have been satisfied with the costs, because, by damned, they are going full speed ahead.
As Samurai said above, the Chinese are not only happy with what they’ve been finding out, but evidently they have been having great success with the engineering, because they have moved their startup target up from 2044 to 2023. From the beginning of their activity on this in 2010, that is a reduction from 33 years to 13 – a reduction of about 60% time-wise.
As a design engineer who worked on projects for nearly 40 years, such scheduling reductions do not happen if things are not all falling into place – and phenomenally so.
And why shouldn’t they be falling into place? In the 1950s and 1960s we had not only SOME laboratory doing R&D on the principles, but the number two research l;ab in the USA, with top people – working on a design by the very man who designed the very successful light water reactor nuclear plants. And THIS was his baby – the one that was going to light the world. And they did a Proof of Principle. The two remaining scientists who worked on the MSR experiment who are still alive have told Kirk Sorenson that there was very little left to prove out at the time when the project was shut down by Richard Nixon for political reasons. The corrosion problems that some rag on about here were all but solved. The rest? The rest was DONE.
So there isn’t really much for the CHinese to do except size up the design. That is partly science but mostly just engineering – determining the sizes of pipes, tanks, wall thicknesses, materials, – stuff engineers do every day in their careers.
This is what people don’t understand: Some people who have never done a design thing in their lives just don’t get it that once you have built a successful prototype it is not a science project anymore!
At that point it is simply doing the drawings, checking on stresses, laying out the arrangements of components, finding vendors who can supply the parts, etc. It’s just ENGINEERING.
And that is – IMHO at this time – what the Chinese found out: That the principles DO work as Weinberg laid them out, and now they can proceed without fearing that some bug is going to jump up and set them back many months.
This is a done deal, and some people can’t wrap their heads around that. No, the Chinese nor the Indians are not going to ask for the commenters here on WUWT for their permission to go ahead, no more than they are going to ask people here what alloy of steel pipe are they going to use. Nor are they going to ask the US government to kindly let them go ahead. The USA got out of the LFTR business when they let the Chinese come to Oak Ridge and let them have full access to the documents there.
What a monumentally STUPID government, to do that. This will go down as THE biggest screw-up in technological and political history. The future of the WORLD depended on this, and WE screwed it up. Giving it away was only part of the screw up. The other is that we should have done something about it HERE, LONG ago. We should have had LFTRs running here 25 years ago. If we had, we wouldn’t have any coal plants still standing. And the Chinese and Indians everyone in the future would be buying LFTRs from the USA, not the other way around.
I hate these ‘either or’ choices. Nuclear or starve.
How about natural? Science has discovered how plants roots set nitrogen. Its truly amazing. They bombard the site with both positive and negative ions. At the same time. Is why science took so long to figure it out.