Guest post by Jim Steele,
Director emeritus Sierra Nevada Field Campus, San Francisco State University and author of Landscapes & Cycles: An Environmentalist’s Journey to Climate Skepticism
A friend of mine who works for the EPA emailed me a link to NASA’s Earth Observatory page pitching 2014 as the warmest year on record, and asked if “I dismiss their findings.” The following is an edited version of my reply suggesting the Global Average Chimera tells us precious little about the climate’s sensitivity to CO2, and the uncertainty is far greater than the error bars illustrated in Anthony Watts post 2014: The Most Dishonest Year on Record.
I simply asked my friend to consider all the factors involved in constructing the global average temperature trend. Then decide for himself the scientific value of the graph and if there was any political motivation.
1. Consider the greatest warmth anomalies are over the Arctic Ocean because more heat is ventilating through thinner ice. Before the Arctic Oscillation removed thick insulating sea ice, air temperatures were declining. Read Kahl, J., et al., (1993) Absence of evidence for greenhouse warming over the Arctic Ocean in the past 40 years. Nature 361, 335 – 337.
After subfreezing winds removed thick ice, then air temperatures rose. Read Rigor, I.G., J.M. Wallace, and R.L. Colony (2002), Response of Sea Ice to the Arctic Oscillation, J. Climate, v. 15, no. 18, pp. 2648 – 2668. They concluded, “it can be inferred that at least part of the warming that has been observed is due to the heat released during the increased production of new ice, and the increased flux of heat to the atmosphere through the larger area of thin ice.”
CO2 advocates suggest CO2 leads to “Arctic Amplification” arguing dark open oceans absorb more heat. But the latest estimates show the upper 700 meters of the Arctic Ocean are cooling (see illustration below), which again supports the notion ventilating heat raised air temperatures. Read Wunsch, C., and P. Heimbach, (2014) Bidecadal Thermal Changes in the Abyssal Ocean, J. Phys. Oceanogr., http://dx.doi.org/10.1175/JPO-D-13-096.1.
So how much of the global warming trend is due to heat ventilating from a cooling Arctic ocean???
2. Consider that NOAA’s graph is based on homogenized data. Researchers analyzing homogenization methods reported “results cast some doubts in the use of homogenization procedures and tend to indicate that the global temperature increase during the last century is between 0.4°C and 0.7°C, where these two values are the estimates derived from raw and adjusted data, respectively.”
Read Steirou, E., and Koutsoyiannis, D. (2012) Investigation of methods for hydroclimatic data homogenization. Geophysical Research Abstracts, vol. 14, EGU2012-956-1.
So how much of the recent warming trend is due to the virtual reality of homogenized data???
3. Consider the results from Menne. M., (2009) The U.S. Historical Climatology Network Monthly Temperature Data, version 2. The Bulletin for the American Meteorological Society, in which they argued their temperature adjustments provided a better understanding of the underlying climate trend. Notice the “adjusted” anomalies in their graph below removes/minimizes observed cooling trends. More importantly ask why does Menne (2009) report a cooling trend for the eastern USA from 1895 to 2007, but NASA’s graph (below Menne’s) shows a slight warming trend for all of the USA from 1950-2014? Does that discrepancy indicate more homogenization, or that they cherry-picked a cooler period to start their warming trend?
4. Consider that much of the warming in North America as illustrated by Menne 2009 (above) happened in the montane regions of the American west. Now consider the paper Oyler (2015) Artificial amplification of warming trends across the mountains of the western United States, in which they conclude, “Here we critically evaluate this network’s temperature observations and show that extreme warming observed at higher elevations is the result of systematic artifacts and not climatic conditions. With artifacts removed, the network’s 1991–2012 minimum temperature trend decreases from +1.16°C/decade to +0.106°C/decade.
So how much of the recent warming trend is due to these systematic artifacts???
5. Consider that NOAA’s graph is based on adjusted data and the fact that NOAA now homogenizes temperature data every month and climate trends change from month to month, and year to year. As an example, below is a graph I created from the US Historical Climate Network Cuyamaca weather station in southern California; a station that never altered its location or instrumentation. In 2010 the raw data temperature trend does not differ much from the homogenized trends (Maximum Adj.)
Just 2 years later, the 2011 homogenized century trend (in black) increased by more than 2°F in the 2015 trend (in red.) I have archived several other similar examples of USHCN homogenization causing rapid “virtual warming”. Then ask your self which trend is more real? The more cyclical changes observed in non-homogenized data or the rising trend created by a homogenized virtual reality?
6. Consider that climate change along western North America was fully explained by the Pacific Decadal Oscillation and the associated cycles of ventilation and absorption of heat. Read: Johnstone and Mantua (2014) Atmospheric controls on northeast Pacific temperature variability and change, 1900–2012. Such research suggests non-homogenized data may better represent climate reality.
Knowing that the upper 10 feet of the oceans contain more heat than the entire atmosphere ask yourself if decadal warming trends are simply artifacts of the redistribution of ocean heat.
7. Consider that increasingly temperature data is now collected at airports. A 2010 paper by Imhoff, “Remote sensing of the urban heat island effect across biomes in the continental USA”, published in Remote Sensing of Environment 114 (2010) 504–513 concluded that “We find that ecological context significantly influences the amplitude of summer daytime urban–rural temperature differences, and the largest (8 °C average) is observed for cities built in biomes dominated by temperate broadleaf and mixed forest. For all cities combined, Impervious Surface Area is the primary driver for increase in temperature explaining 70% of the total variance. On a yearly average, urban areas are substantially warmer than the non-urban fringe by 2.9 °C, except for urban areas in biomes with arid and semiarid climates.”
So how much of this recent warming trend can be attributed to increases in Impervious Surface Area in and around weather stations in rural, suburban and urban settings?
8. Consider that direct satellite observations show lost vegetation has a warming effect, and transitions from forest to shrub land, or grassland to urban area raise skin surface temperatures by 10 to 30°F. Satellite data reveals the canopies of the world’s forests averaged about 86°F, and in the shade beneath the canopy, temperatures are much lower. Grassland temperatures are much higher, ranging from 95 to 122°F, while the average temperatures of barren ground and deserts can reach 140°F. Read Mildrexler, D., et al. (2011) A global comparison between station air temperatures and MODIS land surface temperatures reveals the cooling role of forests. J. Geophys. Res., 116, G03025, doi:10.1029/2010JG001486.
Ask yourself, “How much of the warming trend is due to population effects that remove vegetation?” How much is due to citizens of poorer nations removing trees and shrubs for fuel for cooking and heating or slash and burn agriculture?
9. Consider that neither of the satellite data sets suggest 2014 was the warmest ever recorded.
10. Consider that many tree ring data sets show recent warming does not exceed that 1940s as exemplified by Scandinavian tree ring data (from Esper, J. et al. (2012) Variability and extremes of northern Scandinavian summer temperatures over the past two millennia. Global and Planetary Change 88–89 (2012) 1–9.)
Consider international tree ring experts have concluded, “No current tree ring based reconstruction of extratropical Northern Hemisphere temperatures that extends into the 1990s captures the full range of late 20th century warming observed in the instrumental record.” Read Wilson R., et al., (2007) Matter of divergence: tracking recent warming at hemispheric scales using tree-ring data. Journal of Geophysical Research–A, 112, D17103, doi: 10.1029/2006JD008318.
In summary, after acknowledging the many other factors contributing to local temperature change, and after recognizing that data homogenization has lowered the peak warming of the 30s through the 50s in many original data sets by as much as 2 to 3°F, (a peak warming also observed in many proxy data sets less tainted by urbanization effects), ask yourself, does NOAA’s graph and record 2014 temperatures really tell us anything about climate sensitivity or heat accumulation from rising CO2? Or does it tell us more about climate politics and data manipulation?
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#2 A presention (not article) with a very dubious claim:
“In 2/3 of the stations examined the homogenization procedure increased positive temperature trends, decreased negative trends or changed negative trends to positive. Global Temperature Increase (from the examined series) Raw data 0.42 °C Adjusted data 0.76°C
The expected proportion would be 1/2”
They think they actually know the right proportion. They cannot know that apriori. That is an empirical issue. And as they have taken a sample with a large portion of stations from the USA, we know there are for example TOBS issues that must be accounted for from those stations..
And since they have taken a subsample that is not representative their conclusion of 0.42 vs 0.76 is just wrong.
But does Steele really agree with these authors?
“Homogenization is necessary to remove errors introduced in climatic time series”
The aim must be to use the best homogenization methods.
#4 Already covered.
That network is not used by the temperature indexes except BEST (as Zeke Hausfather said in another thread here).
And the irony is of course that BEST removes that inhomogeneity. Another irony is that they found the bias by comparing their network to the measurements that are used by the other indexes. Had higher trend in SNOTEL.
Steele did not know that.
The global warming community were anticipating a large El Nino year. That way they could piggy-back on the rise and temperature and claim that part of it was due to increased levels of CO2. This would have allowed them to inflate the climate sensitivity.So when it did not materialize they were stuck.
Next time there is a large El Nino year, the global warming alarmists are going to attribute all the rise in temperature to CO2 and claim the CO2 caused the El Nino, so their models were right all along.
#6
The point being that if there are regional patterns of temperature change that are more influenced by regional conditions then AGW and global change must be viewd differently?
Another issue is that the results from Johnston & Mantua depends on the choice of SLP data. The certainty of their conclusion being overstated.
http://www.pnas.org/content/111/52/E5605.extract
#9 RSS and UAH have not 2014 as the warmest year.
Of course not. 2014 was not a ninjo year.
Hadcrut is by the way in. Tie with 2010. That means Cowton & Way probably will have 2014 as the second warmest. Go for that.
#5 – No details given here, and an anecdote at best, but I suspect it’s due to time of observation shifts. US HCN adjustments, and comparisons with other data sets, are well documented. See links here, for example: http://rankexploits.com/musings/2012/a-surprising-validation-of-ushcn-adjustments/
LOL Barry, you are the king of replies that are simple anecdotes from your favorite blogs.
All data in my graphs were downloaded from USHCN website, and I can show many others with similar rapidly changing trends over the past 4 years as I did for Death Valley.http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/01/07/peter-miesler-helps-expose-ushcn-homogenization-insanity-and-antarctic-illusions/
I have downloaded many many USHCN data files over the years and I suspect many others have as well. Perhaps a congressional hearing could examine all our files and compare it with the USHCN’s ever rising warming trends, and then have the USHCN explain to the public about the rapid change in the land of “virtual climate”. Why do you cling so desperately to those fabricated trends Barry?
Indeed the only reported change at Cuyamaca was a TOBS change in the early 60s. At worst that change would only shift a few monthly peaks but not the annual trend. I would love to here your explanation how a TOBS adjustment from the 1960s that has been in place for over a decade, warrants the change in homogenized trends between 2011 and 2015.
Barry you just spam the thread with whatever junk you can link to hoping something will stick, all the while never answering the question, “What does the “warmest” year tell us about climate sensitivity to CO2″?
Based on your multiple misdirections, I think you know the answer is precious little.
Interestingly enough, Berkeley’s homogenization process reduces the trend at Cuyamaca: http://berkeleyearth.lbl.gov/stations/28256
Regarding the need for homogenization (and the approach taken), I’d direct readers to this post:
http://judithcurry.com/2014/07/07/understanding-adjustments-to-temperature-data/
If you for some reason decide that the raw data is more reliable than the homogenized or UHI-corrected datasets, you get nearly the same result globally for land. Also, if you really care about global temperature records, oceans are generally the dominant component, so all this discussion of land station homogenization is somewhat off the mark.
There is a definite need for “quality control” of the raw data, but USHCN homogenization goes beyond that. It assumes unexpected trends must be altered rather than expanding our understanding of local climate variability. Homogenization depends on an expected trend in order for an algorithm to detect an “undocumented change”. Therein lies the problem, allowing many biases to creep in. Stations without a location change or instrumentation change should serve as constraints to the homogenization process but instead the highest quality stations get altered to fit trends affect by landscape and population effects.
Serial homogenization that continues to increase the warming trend year by yea,r by lowering earlier temperatures is a testimony to how easily a trend can be altered for no valid reason. Menne and Vose acknowledge the adjustment aren’t concerned with the actual temperatures, so warming peaks the 30s, 40s, and 50s are lowered by several degrees, and a trend that would have originally correlated with a changes in sea surface temperature due to natural ocean oscillation is metamorphosed more and more each year to a trend that looks like rising CO2. That rouses all suspicions.
# 8 – The values given, and study cited, are annual maximum temperatures. What about minimum temperatures? Wouldn’t savannas cool a lot more than forests at night? Would these effects average out? Seems like a strange oversight for a landscape ecologist to make.
Barry, Actually you raise an extremely good point. What about minimums?
I argue, as have several climate scientists, that the maximum is a better indicator of accumulated heat and climate change (with the caveat that spurious extremes due to drought conditions will raise the maximum by lowering heat capacity as well as a temporary increase in insolation).
Let me repeat the crazy statistical inference of the week:
“We can measure a higher daily average temperature while accumulating less heat due to the biases created by minimum temperatures”
Here is a thought question regards heat accumulation and the inappropriate metric created by averaging the max and min. You have two pots with equal volumes of water. Pot A rests at 10 C and Pot B rests at 30 C. Both are heated with unknown quantities but at the end of the day both pots measure 50C.
1. Which pot accumulated the most heat?
2. Which experienced the highest average temperature?
Answer below, but don’t peek until you thought for yourself— Hint use Q=mcdeltaT. Q is heat and because both pots have same mass and specific heat you can simplify the equation to Q(heat) = change in temperature
The answers:
1. Pot A Q= 40, Pot B Q=20. Thus we can conclude of maximum temperatures remain the same, then pots with the higher minimum accumulated less heat
2. Average temp: Pot A (10+50)/2 = 30 Pot B (30 + 50)/2 =40
Karl wrote showing that as populations increased so did minimum temperatures. During the rapid rise in recorded temperatures, minimums outpaced maximums2 to 3 times the maximum. By averaging in the minimums, the global average metric further distort our understanding of climate sensitivity to CO2, by aliasing landscape and population effects.
Jim, thanks for the long-winded explanation of basic math. Since we all know temperature fluctuates daily and seasonally, the real question is what are the average annual temperatures of savannas vs. forests, and how much have they changed? You have not addressed that at all, but rather provide a bunch of misdirections.
Barry:
You would profit by considering more carefully what Steele puts forth for your benefit. Don’t forget, it is a 62% chance that 2014 was not a record year, according to giss ( Schmidt).
Barry,
You too do a little bait and switch.You are so transparent.
You ask about the minimum then switch back to the average. The real question is what caused the change in maximum and minimums. Only then will the “how much” question add to our understanding of climate sensitivity to CO2 vs landscape changes and natural cycles.
Regards your averaging out question, I can see you never systematically examined microclimates. Using a Raytek Minitemp infrared thermometer, I measured a variety of surface in a variety of settings during the summer. At midday pavement would be 10 to 20 degrees hotter than gravel and sandy areas depending on shade. Areas dominated by grass were ~10 degrees cooler than the gravel areas and shrub and forested areas were another 10 degrees cooler. When I repeated those measurements just before dawn, the relative temperature differences were the same, but there was a slight contraction in the range of differences, ie instead of 10 degrees, the differences were 5 to 8 degrees.
“CO2 advocates suggest CO2 leads to “Arctic Amplification” arguing dark open oceans absorb more heat.”
I am suspicious of that because of the particularly strong rebounds in sea ice extent immediately following summers with much reduced ice:
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.arctic.png
In fact the consensus of IPCC models is that increased GHG forcing of the climate will increase positive NAO/AO. That will reduce warm ocean transport into the Arctic, and strengthen the polar vortex. Such that Arctic Amplification is negative and not positive, and that a decline in forcing of the climate is needed to account for the accelerated forcing of the AMO and Arctic since 1995.
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/ch10s10-3-5-6.html
For example the decline in solar plasma pressure/density since the mid 1990’s:
http://snag.gy/dXp1s.jpg
typo: accelerated *warming* of the AMO and Arctic since 1995.
Thanks, Dr. Steele. Yes, this data has been tortured and made to confess.
I rather view 2014 as:
http://nsstc.uah.edu/climate/2014/december2014/DECEMBER2014.png
Oops! I meant this:
http://nsstc.uah.edu/climate/2014/december2014/2014%20LT%20Anomaly.png
You prefer UAH.
Perhaps that is because of the good match with the surface indexes.
http://www.woodfortrees.org/graph/gistemp/from:1996/offset:-0.35/compress:12/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1996/offset:-0.26/compress:12/plot/rss/from:1996/offset:-0.10/compress:12/plot/uah/from:1996/compress:12/plot/gistemp/from:1996/offset:-0.35/trend/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1996/offset:-0.26/trend/plot/uah/from:1996/trend/plot/rss/from:1996/offset:-0.10/trend
In particular gistemp.
You love to just throw away data (compression), and draw cherry picked trend lines. Which way is UAH heading now?
Anybody can “play” your game Bart…
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http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:2011/plot/rss/from:2011/trend
Monckton has a problem?
Bart say yearly averages is throwing away data.
Fun. Why not only use daily averages then. Or monthly averages. The trends are of course the same:
http://www.woodfortrees.org/graph/gistemp/from:1996/offset:-0.35/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1996/offset:-0.26/plot/rss/from:1996/offset:-0.10/plot/uah/from:1996/plot/gistemp/from:1996/offset:-0.35/trend/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1996/offset:-0.26/trend/plot/uah/from:1996/trend/plot/rss/from:1996/offset:-0.10/trend
Trend from 2009.
Very fun.
Wow. Whoosh!
Regards sea surface temperatures; The Johnstone and Mantua paper had this graph showing sea surface temperatures (SST red), air temperatures and pressure for the northeast Pacific. What is striking is how the raw data from so many USHCN California weather station have a close match with SST and how badly homogenized data correlates with SST.
http://landscapesandcycles.net/image/100030529.png
Striking ow the raw data have a close match with SST.
One TINY problem for Steele here. What kind of data did they use?
“SATs around the NE Pacific margin were investigated with monthly station
data from the US Historical Climate Network, version 2 (USHCNv2) (49) and
the Global Historical Climate Network, version 3 (GHCNv3) (50), using ad-
justed versions of both datasets.”
Steele managed to show the exact opposite of what he claimed to have shown. It is the adjusted/homogenized data that have a close match with SST.
Rooter, that’s an interesting point and I appreciate your sincere attempts to ensure the most honest discussion. But you seem a tad bent on denigrating me, which caused you to overlook a TINY problem that I have been discussing.
The key issue is which adjusted set did they use? The paper was received in 2013, so likely they used adjustments from 2012 or perhaps earlier. Topics I researched for my book downloaded data in 2010 but because the research was far from simple, my final analysis for book got published in 2013. As I illustrated with Cuyamaca the homogenization process keeps changing the trend month to month, year to year. If they used earlier adjustments as I had form 2010, then the Cuyamaca trend is well aligned with raw data and there sea surface temperature trends (see graphs from point #5) . If they useD the 2011 adjustment then the earlier peak begins to drop, but only slightly. The 2015 adjustments which likely came after the paper was published have no resemblance to the trend in sea surface temperatures.
So I thank you rooter for illustrating why this constant serial homogenization process causes nothing but confusion. I’d bet we see a paper disagreeing with Johnstone and Mantua, arguing there is no correlation with adjusted temperatures, based on the more recently adjusted data set. I forgive you for your harsh words because this homogenization insanity is not readily comprehensible to anyone.
Steele: You did not discuss different versions of homogenized data. Your claim was that the non-homogenized data had a close match with SST and homogenized data did not. That was very wrong and suggests that you did not check facts before you made your claim.
They explicitly states what versions of the adjusted data they use. USHCNv2 and GHCNv3.
If you want to discuss and improve homogenized data that is excellent. There are guaranteed better and worse ways of doing homogenization and there can be biases introduced by homogenization. One example of that might be stations in the Arctic that have been adjusted down because the warming in those stations exceeds stations further south. For the east coast of America the situation is different because of the smaller distances between stations and the greater number.
Rooter says, “Steele: You did not discuss different versions of homogenized data. Your claim was that the non-homogenized data had a close match with SST and homogenized data did not. That was very wrong and suggests that you did not check facts before you made your claim.”
You are being hoist by your own petard, For a person who has perused each of my points looking for nits to pick, go back read point 5 one more time and read my reply above.
“Hoist by your own petard.” Like showing a plot with close match with SST and SAT and saying that this shows the wrongness of homogenized temperature series. And not knowing the match was between SST and homogenized series.
#7 – Numerous studies have found urban heat island effects to have minimal impact on regional temperature trends. While heat island effects can be substantial, they affect very small areas. Also, in some cases (such as in arid regions), urban environments are actually cooler than surrounding rural areas because of green spaces and irrigation.
Like Jones et al 1990? How stupid do you think we are?
That’s true Barry, but far more studies have found a very significant warming due to landscape changes and urbanization over broad areas. Although a desert town that adds a water fountain or an arid area that is irrigated will have a cooling effect, overall the overwhelming effect of urbanization and landscape changes has been a warming.
The point is well said by Dr. Eugenia Kalnay, University of Maryland“influences on climate are the emission of greenhouse gases and changes in land use, such as urbanization and agriculture. But it has been difficult to separate these two influences because both tend to increase the daily mean surface temperature”
Has there been a rise in global population that could create a rise temperature via increased land use?
Dr. Xuchao Yang, China Meteorological Administration wrote “The contribution of urbanization and other land uses to overall regional warming is determined to be 24.22%.”
Dr. Young Kwon Lim, Florida State University wrote “Warming over barren areas is larger than most other land types. Urban areas show a large warming second only to barren areas.”
24.22%? That’s some amazing precision. All of the papers I have read (including Parker 2006, Jones et al. 2008) contradict these quotes, and NASA and NOAA correct for heat island effects before reporting trends. Besides, a lot of global warming is happening in the Arctic, where last I checked there were not a lot of large urban areas.
Regarding UHI in the U.S. data:
ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ushcn/papers/hausfather-etal2013.pdf
While there is a sizable signal in raw data (particularly minimum temperatures), its mostly eliminated in the homogenized data even if only rural stations are used for breakpoint detection.
Zeke says, its mostly eliminated in the homogenized data even if only rural stations are used for breakpoint detection.
I am not sure how you can claim it is mostly eliminated. Most of the papers I have read use a very static categorization of rural vs urban. But a growing rural area increases impervious surfaces, removes vegetation, alters winds and adds waste heat.
For example, in 1967 Columbia, Maryland was a newly established, planned community designed to end racial and social segregation. Climate researchers following the city’s development found that over a period of just three years, a heat island of up to 8.1°F appeared as the land filled with 10,000 residents. Although Columbia would be classified as a rural town, that small population raised temperatures five times greater than a century’s worth of global warming.
Furthermore microclimate issues remain whether or not the station is in a rural or urban area. Simply moving a station closer to a building can raise temperatures by a degree or more.
Steele says:
“Although Columbia would be classified as a rural town, that small population raised temperatures five times greater than a century’s worth of global warming.
Furthermore microclimate issues remain whether or not the station is in a rural or urban area. Simply moving a station closer to a building can raise temperatures by a degree or more.”
In my view, these are arguments for homogenization. Also for stations classified as rural. Remove non-climatic bias. Which includes microsite issues and UHI.
Barry says, “Besides, a lot of global warming is happening in the Arctic, where last I checked there were not a lot of large urban areas.”
Well your snarky comments confirm you are just sniping and trying to spam the thread with nonsense criticisms. I listed many points that affect the global average chimera, and covered the Arctic warming due to ventilating heat.
Which would appear to be confirmed by Spencer Weart’s recent paper showing that the Arctic Ocean is cooling.
#6 – I agree with this one, for the most part. Of course decadal warming trends have a lot to do with redistribution of heat with the oceans. But the issue is century-scale warming trends, in both the oceans and lower atmosphere, as we’ve observed. So this is yet another red herring by Mr. Steele.
Barry us must say I appreciate your devotion to my thread, but I wish you would indulge in a little more substance. Are you also calling Johnstone and Mantua’s analysis a red herring? Just what is your scientific background. I am starting to get the impression you are a professional internet sniper.
If you combine the synergy between increased solar and ocean oscillations we see that there is century trend with similar peaks in the 40s and 2000 and that cyclical response over the century helps understand how much of the recent climate change is due to natural cycles.
Barry- I have to admit, you aren’t making any sense- I have agree with Mr. Steele’s comment- you aren’t showing much understanding of the points he’s making So far, your comments don’t add much to my understanding of the issue- and if you are trying to convince us that Jim Steele doesn’t know what he’s talking about- your comments to be honest do the opposite. I have to admit I may be a bit biased as to Mr. Steele’s knowledge and expertise- I just finished his book “Landscapes and Cycles” and I’m convinced he has a lot of interesting information – (Highly recommended to anyone who wants to be able explain many of the issues with biology studies and global average temperature.) His point of view, research, and thoroughness of discussing all sides of the topic is remarkable.
Thanks Louise!
The Git purchased two copies so that even if the loaner goes astray, he still gets to keep one. 🙂
I like the thought that most temperature recording sites are now located in urban areas and are “adjusted” to compensate for the UHI of the specific site. You add to that the fact that should someone become concerned that the site is reading UHI influenced readings and move the site to an area where it will again genuinely give accurate readings, the site is removed from the list of sites that are included due to its short period of recording, and the accurate data is replaced by homogenized data. What a game, and it’s all played out to pretend there is global warming when it probably isn’t happening. It all shows that we are not interested in accurate, scientific data, we are interested in only supporting a preconceived agenda with the reports. We are not being affected by global warming, we are being afflicted by global governance connivance.
It seems pretty simple. Either it was the warmest year or it was not. If not, then CO2 isn’t the answer. It’s science. Premise is that CO2 causes warming. CO2 has gone up, has temperature? At some point the question is answered.
Gavin will be in Durham, NC this Friday, 2/6/2015. Is anyone here planning to attend? If so, please contact me.
http://nicholas.duke.edu/upcoming-events/eos-seminar-gavin-schmidt-nasa-giss
The average temperature of Earth is not a temperature measurement.
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It is an average of many local temperature measurements.
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That means it is a statistic, not a temperature.
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Sometimes the average temperature for a specific year is compared with the average temperature over an earlier 30-year span, to view anomalies — that would be one statistic compared to another statistic.
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The average temperature of Earth a complex statistic that can be calculated (estimated) in many ways.
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Missing data points may be filled in with wild guesses.
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Corrections may be made to compensate for known measurement errors.
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Known measurement errors may be ignored.
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Unknown measurement errors are obviously ignored, but usually implied to be small.
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The changes in the sun’s energy output are ignored.
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“Climate” scientist funding is dominated by governments who want a “climate crisis” to fight.
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“Climate” scientists receive government grants only if they predict a coming “climate crisis”.
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“Environmentalists” have been predicting one false environmental crisis after another since the 1960s, with the same end result: Life on Earth will end as we know it unless everyone follows their directions.
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4.5 billion years of Earth’s average temperature data were not collected.
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“Global” average temperature statistics began in the 1800s with few thermometers, from from global coverage, and most of the surviving thermometers from that era read low compared with modern accurate thermometers, and the data read from them probably had an accuracy of +/- 1 degree F.
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All real time average temperature statistics were calculated during a warming trend, which is most likely still in progress, so record highs are not ‘news’ — they are to be expected until that warming trend ends, and no one knows when that will be.
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No one knows what a “normal” average temperature is, or what a “normal” CO2 level is — but the mid-1800’s was decided to be “normal” by some people, with no logical explanation of why.
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And even if all the potential measurements errors, and financial incentives to predict a crisis, and the desire to predict an environmental crisis to get attention, disappeared tomorrow, can ANYONE explain to me why the Average Temperature of Earth is important to know?
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I can see why the trend of sea level rise might be a problem for people who live near the ocean.
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I can see why a shorter and/or less productive food growing season would be important to many people.
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I can see why people who lived in Florida would be concerned if the summers there were getting hotter and hotter.
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Bit I’ve investigated the sea level rise trend, farming output, and temperature records in various US states that interest me … and I can’t find any climate-related problems at all.
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So why anyone care about a rough estimate of the average temperature of Earth, and the fact that it has changed slightly in the past 134 years?
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Local weather conditions are not driven by the average temperature of Earth.
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Why is average temperature of Earth important to know in the absence of any symptoms of REAL climate problems (that actually affect human health, comfort, and the health of plants on our planet)?
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In my opinion, the average temperature of Earth is not important at all.
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In my opinion, that statistic was selected for use as as a political tool — technically known as a boogeyman — to scare people into giving their government more power to control their lives, ands eventually tax corporations for their energy use, and transfer wealth from rich to poor nations for “climate reparations”.
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The average temperature of Earth has been rising since the peak of the last ice age 18,000 years ago.
… It has been rising since 1850, if measurements since then are reasonably accurate
… But it has also been falling since the Greenhouse Ages hundreds of millions of years ago.
… And it has also been falling since 1998, according to weather satellite data.
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The average temperature where you live may matter if there is a noticeable rising or declining trend.
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In my opinion, the average temperature of Earth does not matter at all.
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If Earth’s local temperatures are really averaging one or two degrees F. hotter today, than in 1880, that only matters to people who want to use that statistic to make their predictions of a coming climate disaster sound real.
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I always hope, but am probably over-optimistic, that people are smart enough to be very skeptical about predictions of the future — especially predictions of a coming catastrophe unless everyone does as the predictor says.
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It used to be that religious leaders might say: ‘Do as I say or you will go to hell’.
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That strategy worked to control religious people for centuries.
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Since the 1960s not as many people are religious and really believe there is a hell.
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So leaders needed a modified strategy to control people.
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One new strategy is to tell them: ‘Do as I say or climate change will turn Earth into hell.’
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The predictions of a coming climate change catastrophe are 99% politics and 1% science.
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And the average temperature of Earth is not an important statistic, except for its use as a political tool.
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One interesting article I read years ago on whether or not an average temperature is important:
http://www.uoguelph.ca/~rmckitri/research/globaltemp/GlobTemp.JNET.pdf
My climate thoughts are posted here:
http://www.elonionbloggle.blogspot.com
Richard Greene,
Thanks for the link to “Does a Global Temperature Exist?” by McKitrick, Essex and Andresen
I totally agree and when I wrote about the global average being a chimera ( http://landscapesandcycles.net/the-global-average-temperature-chimera.html ) of many varied climate dynamics I was that others have not written more on the subject. I am not surprise that Mckitrick had already tackled the issue, just surprised there are not more papers on the problem