From Dr. Benny Peiser and The GWPF:
China Pledges To Peak CO2 Emissions – But Only After ‘Around 2030’
Today, the Presidents of the United States and China announced their respective post-2020 actions on climate change, recognizing that these actions are part of the longer range effort to transition to low-carbon economies, mindful of the global temperature goal of 2℃. The United States intends to achieve an economy-wide target of reducing its emissions by 26%-28% below its 2005 level in 2025 and to make best efforts to reduce its emissions by 28%. China intends to achieve the peaking of CO2 emissions around 2030 and to make best efforts to peak early and intends to increase the share of non-fossil fuels in primary energy consumption to around 20% by 2030. Both sides intend to continue to work to increase ambition over time. —U.S.-China Joint Announcement on Climate Change, 12 November 2014
The joint statement by the United States and China on climate change, issued on Wednesday, is more important for its political and diplomatic symbolism than any practical effect it might have in reducing emissions. The statement reiterates policies China and the United States have been developing on their own and contains no new binding limits on greenhouse emissions. The joint announcement employs language very carefully. Throughout, the operative word is “intend” or “intention”, which makes clear the statement is not meant to create any new obligations. –John Kemp, Reuters, 12 November 2014
By adopting emissions targets on its own terms, China can influence negotiations leading up to the 2015 climate summit and head off pressure for tougher targets. China can point to its self-adopted targets as well as the principle of “common and differentiated responsibilities” to block any attempt to erect carbon tariffs or other border adjustment measures by the United States and the European Union to protect energy-intensive trade-exposed industries. Finally, the 2030 target should be fairly easy to meet. By then, the most manufacturing-intensive phase of China’s development will be complete and hundreds of millions more people will have been lifted into the middle class. Emissions are likely to stabilise by that date even without the joint statement. –John Kemp, Reuters, 12 November 2014
China is considering setting itself a new target to stop increasing overall emissions by 2025, according to Lord Stern of Brentford. He said that consumption of coal in China, which is the world’s biggest emitter of greenhouse gases, could reach a peak before 2020, much earlier than previously predicted. –Ben Webster, The Times, 25 September 2013
The man responsible for maintaining India’s power supply says he wants the country’s coal production to double within the next five years. Piyush Goyal, Minister of State for Power, Coal, New and Renewable energy, says India needs to dig twice as much coal as it does today if it is to meet its soaring energy demand. By 2019, it is expected to be consuming two trillion units of electricity annually, with one unit equalling one kilowatt hour. Describing coal as “an essential input for power”, Goyal said: “I see Coal India production doubling in the next five years. It makes about 500 million tonnes hopefully this year. We [will] do a billion tonnes in 2019.” –Alex Kirby, Climate News Network, 7 November 2014
Climate negotiations in the run-up to the global deal in Paris next year may not to be on predictable lines. After trade, the Narendra Modi government is now contemplating a strategic shift during talks, delinking India’s position from China. Although India will continue to insist that the global climate deal should have the principles of the UNFCCC (United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change) and Kyoto Protocol that call for only rich nations to cut emissions while demanding money for poor countries to take voluntary action, it may now start questioning the idea of keeping the world’s highest carbon emitter China in the same league as the other developing countries. –Vishwa Mohan, Times of India, 5 November 2014
Crop producers and scientists hold deeply different views on climate change and its possible causes, a study by Purdue and Iowa State universities shows. Associate professor of natural resource social science Linda Prokopy and fellow researchers surveyed 6,795 people in the agricultural sector in 2011-2012 to determine their beliefs about climate change and whether variation in the climate is triggered by human activities, natural causes or an equal combination of both. 66 percent of corn producers surveyed said they believed climate change was occurring, with 8 percent pinpointing human activities as the main cause. —Purdue University, 11 November 2014
Nothing better than logging onto this website and seeing you lot foaming and drooling at the mouths. Two more years!!! Two more years!!!
And your solutions is? Kill more people each year by government-enforced “energy poverty” policies deliberately restricting energy availability and forcing higher energy prices??
It has worked in the UK: 24,000 dead 2012-2013 and even more elderly and the innocent sick in 2013-2014 winter.
RACookPE1978 November 12, 2014 at 6:59 pm
And your solutions is? Kill more people each year by government-enforced “energy poverty” policies deliberately restricting energy availability and forcing higher energy prices??
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RACookPE1978, you’re right to let Siberian_Husky know… However, the problem is that Siberian_Husky most likely does not seek truth. I say, Ignorance is no excuse for bad behavior once introduced to truth. Siberian_Husky should know that ignorant, often well meaning, people have caused terrible harm to the lives of people for a fictitious daemon. Notice I used the past tense, because the harm has happened, is measurable and continues.
“lot”, I love it.
Now, what exactly was your point ?
We’re not waiting, you are watching it.
Headline of on page10 of today’s San Jose Mercury (Bay Area News Group)
“8 women dead in sterilization drive” Program in India seeks to help slow population growth.
–and 20 others were in critical condition Tuesday after undergoing sterilization in a free government-run program to help slow the country’s population growth.
A total of 83 women, all poor villagers under the age off 32, had the operation Saturday in a hospital outside Bilaspur city in the central state of Chhattisgarh. All surgeries were conducted within six hours.”
The AP article’s next to last paragraph indicated “the state’s sterilization schedule had a target of 180,000 for the year ending in March set by the central government . . .The quota for Bilaspur was 12,000.”
Sterilization isn’t necessary – just give each of them a TV and like magic, no more kids. I’ve seen it work everywhere in the world. The fancy theory is that they see families with one or two kids on TV having fun, going to Disneyland etc., buying smartphones and realize that more kids equals much more cost if they want to aspire to middle class lifestyle. Or maybe the TV is just more interesting than the old man and easier to explain than an headache.
You are ignoring medical malpractice.
Bingo. Birthrates always, always decline (often precipitously) the very instant that offspring cease being a money source and become a money sink. It is a pattern repeated the world over. It’s remedial demographics .001. Even the UN has come to recognize this.
Or maybe the TV is just more interesting
When I were a lad . . .
Not that you would know it from the MSM, which focused on Obama’s climate agreement, there was a lot of good news coming out of APEC, all of it tied to the BRICS, the Chinese creation of a new Asia Development Bank, the Silk Road economic corridor, etc. The new Asia Development Bank will do what the greens at the World Bank refuse to do — finance the doubling of India’s coal fired electrical capacity, making any Obama carbon reductions meaningless. The Chinese president explicitly invited the US to join in these great infrastructure building projects. Obama, needless to say, refuses to join with the BRICS to rebuild the world’s economy. The Chinese have the right long term plan – they propose to go to the moon to mine helium-3 to fuel fusion reactors on earth.
Sounds to me like Obama was agreeing to Terms of Surrender, especially when you see the nonsense that the “global treaty” folks are dishing out, thanks to Aiden’s comment above.
Having recently been in Beijing I would guess that there are more giant SUVs in Beijing alone than in all of Canada – suggesting that as China’s economy grows there is zero hope of curving CO2 emissions until the oil runs out. Given that less than 1% of the SUVs in Beijing were American, with BMWs, Mercedes, Volvo and all European brands abundantly represented, I would say there is very little likelihood that the US can’t help but meet its emissions reduction targets unless it finds some miraculous way to get its economy back on track. That might be hard to do with the Chinese holding so much of the American national debt. This wasn’t any kind of a climate statement, it was a photo op and about as meaningful as a treaty with Putin.
<nine months of secret negotiations that will kill the West and put the Chinese in charge.
Great negotiator.
I´m sure this deal will turn Paris into a success.
Bunch of idiots.
I can understand why the Chinese are thrilled with a deal that will see them stabilize CO2 emissions from a 2030 basis point. But I can’t see why the MSM are thrilled by a deal that will incentivise the Chinese to ramp up their CO2 emissions as much as possible so they have the highest possible basis point from which to stabilize at.
Are they just dumb or are they trying to con the rest of us that the Chinese are “on side” just to get the rest of us to act too?
“Are they just dumb or are they trying to con the rest of us that the Chinese are “on side” just to get the rest of us to act too?” It’s part of CAGW propaganda. Call every failure a success and flood the people with scare stories. In case you haven’t noticed…..the Greenies/Left/Liberals control the media in most of the world. It’s all part of the “plan”.
They remind me of a country losing a war. Every perceived tactical success is front-page even as the front line is breached.
Let’s assume for a minute that cAGW is true.
-why do Obama and Kerry applaud Chinese increasing their CO2-emissions until 2030?
-why did Obama say the Earth will boil over if young Africans can afford a big house, car and air-conditioning?
-why did Kerry parallel cAGW with weapons of mass destruction?
-why did Kerry parallel cAGW with weapons of mass destruction?
Because neither one is a real existential threat? Perhaps he is trying to reassure us.
In the old days there were just photo ops at these international meetings. Now we have photo op policy agreements. I suppose a better to way to look at this is like arms reduction agreements where old nukes are chopped up and silos are closed in favor of mobile missiles.
President Obama proposes, in a deal with China, to reduce USA emissions of CO2 by about 28% by 2025 relative to 2005 levels — http://wattsupwiththat.com/…/us-china-climate-statement-is…/
Given that USA population is expected to grow to 349 million by 2025, about 18% re 2005 level (see http://www.bitsofscience.org/us-population-growth-650/ ), per capita CO2 emissions must drop about 39% to 61% of US citizen 2005 individual levels.
US per capita yearly CO2 emissions have been essentially constant for more than 20 years at about 19.5 metric tons according to http://en.wikipedia.org/…/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxi… .
I don’t see how President Obama’s plan for CO2 can be accomplished without destroying the US economy.
For the true believers everything the (not liberals) progressives want will make everything better. Do not listen to the nay sayers and do not be afraid of a little pain. The future will be better.
As Snoopy would say, blehhhh.
What I can’t get over is how stupid the mass media thinks the average person is. They are making a big deal out of this. The green movement is making a big deal out of this. They are celebrating a new message: “China is joining the effort to save the world from global warming, errr, excuse me, I meant climate change.” What? How stupid do they think the average person is?
Oh, wait wasn’t another guy taped saying three times that you can count on the stupidity of the american voters, just use a little smoke and mirrors. Obviously many people out there want to believe so badly they will believe anything. So ruled Hitler, Stalin, and many others. Some people will believe anything and follow anything.
CO2 change has never had, does not have, and never will have a significant effect on climate. http://agwunveiled.blogspot.com
Here’s what ClimateReality sent out to its’ readers….
” Climate wins don’t come much bigger. How big? On Tuesday, the leaders of the world’s two biggest carbon polluters, US President Barack Obama and Chinese President Xi Jinping announced a historic agreement to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.” Talk about lipstick on a pig. These people are in major denial…..or, they think everyone is stupid. This can only help the truth.
The 1935 Anglo-German Naval Agreement springs forcibly to mind.