From Dr. Benny Peiser and The GWPF:
China Pledges To Peak CO2 Emissions – But Only After ‘Around 2030’
Today, the Presidents of the United States and China announced their respective post-2020 actions on climate change, recognizing that these actions are part of the longer range effort to transition to low-carbon economies, mindful of the global temperature goal of 2℃. The United States intends to achieve an economy-wide target of reducing its emissions by 26%-28% below its 2005 level in 2025 and to make best efforts to reduce its emissions by 28%. China intends to achieve the peaking of CO2 emissions around 2030 and to make best efforts to peak early and intends to increase the share of non-fossil fuels in primary energy consumption to around 20% by 2030. Both sides intend to continue to work to increase ambition over time. —U.S.-China Joint Announcement on Climate Change, 12 November 2014
The joint statement by the United States and China on climate change, issued on Wednesday, is more important for its political and diplomatic symbolism than any practical effect it might have in reducing emissions. The statement reiterates policies China and the United States have been developing on their own and contains no new binding limits on greenhouse emissions. The joint announcement employs language very carefully. Throughout, the operative word is “intend” or “intention”, which makes clear the statement is not meant to create any new obligations. –John Kemp, Reuters, 12 November 2014
By adopting emissions targets on its own terms, China can influence negotiations leading up to the 2015 climate summit and head off pressure for tougher targets. China can point to its self-adopted targets as well as the principle of “common and differentiated responsibilities” to block any attempt to erect carbon tariffs or other border adjustment measures by the United States and the European Union to protect energy-intensive trade-exposed industries. Finally, the 2030 target should be fairly easy to meet. By then, the most manufacturing-intensive phase of China’s development will be complete and hundreds of millions more people will have been lifted into the middle class. Emissions are likely to stabilise by that date even without the joint statement. –John Kemp, Reuters, 12 November 2014
China is considering setting itself a new target to stop increasing overall emissions by 2025, according to Lord Stern of Brentford. He said that consumption of coal in China, which is the world’s biggest emitter of greenhouse gases, could reach a peak before 2020, much earlier than previously predicted. –Ben Webster, The Times, 25 September 2013
The man responsible for maintaining India’s power supply says he wants the country’s coal production to double within the next five years. Piyush Goyal, Minister of State for Power, Coal, New and Renewable energy, says India needs to dig twice as much coal as it does today if it is to meet its soaring energy demand. By 2019, it is expected to be consuming two trillion units of electricity annually, with one unit equalling one kilowatt hour. Describing coal as “an essential input for power”, Goyal said: “I see Coal India production doubling in the next five years. It makes about 500 million tonnes hopefully this year. We [will] do a billion tonnes in 2019.” –Alex Kirby, Climate News Network, 7 November 2014
Climate negotiations in the run-up to the global deal in Paris next year may not to be on predictable lines. After trade, the Narendra Modi government is now contemplating a strategic shift during talks, delinking India’s position from China. Although India will continue to insist that the global climate deal should have the principles of the UNFCCC (United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change) and Kyoto Protocol that call for only rich nations to cut emissions while demanding money for poor countries to take voluntary action, it may now start questioning the idea of keeping the world’s highest carbon emitter China in the same league as the other developing countries. –Vishwa Mohan, Times of India, 5 November 2014
Crop producers and scientists hold deeply different views on climate change and its possible causes, a study by Purdue and Iowa State universities shows. Associate professor of natural resource social science Linda Prokopy and fellow researchers surveyed 6,795 people in the agricultural sector in 2011-2012 to determine their beliefs about climate change and whether variation in the climate is triggered by human activities, natural causes or an equal combination of both. 66 percent of corn producers surveyed said they believed climate change was occurring, with 8 percent pinpointing human activities as the main cause. —Purdue University, 11 November 2014
I’m still trying to figure out why everyone at that conference thought it was a good idea to dress like Bond Villains. Did China-Mart have a sale on Dr. No costumes?
I was puzzled too, wws, although it looked more like a Motown group from the 60’s to me.
On the plus side, there weren’t any published pics of Obama doing the deep- bow thing, as he has done, so many times in past.
“Intentions NOT Obligations
Bjorn Lomborg highlights the legaleze:
In 2012, China and India installed about 4 coal power plants/week.
Obama basically “agreed” to China continuing to increase coal fired power at least for the next decade – until they can make thorium nuclear cheaper and sell our thorium technology back to us. What a deal!
I don’t know how Obomber can make international deals without Congress
He can’t but now he can kick back until the election and claim “if was not for those evil republicans stopping him” which is why the mid-terms were good news for him as now his got a ‘get of a jail ‘ card that allows him to make any mad promises he likes knowing he never has to live up to it.
I know there was a reference to this a little while ago on here but couldn’t find it. Anybody know how far over Obama bent on this – the ‘All your technology are belong to us’ – part I mean? .
In a document submitted to the Geneva-based U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC), China said that any reductions in its pollution will be “dependent on the adequate finance and technology support provided by developed country parties” in any new climate accord. In the ultimate holdup pitch, China demands incentive payments from “new, additional, adequate, predictable and sustained public funds.” In this new demand, China insists that the promised $100 billion in annual climate financing from the West is only the “starting point.” In another transparent demand, China wants the removal of “obstacles such as IPRs [intellectual property rights]” to “promote, facilitate and finance the transfer” of “technologies and know-how” to developing countries [meaning them] in advance of any future climate deal. Chinese citizens are choking on air pollution and some of us no longer go to China because of the continual shroud of brown air across cities and towns.
In other interesting developments, the Chinese showed off their new Stealth Fighter to Obama today. It looks the twin of the one that entered US service recently – odd that. Reminded me of when I was a teenager working for British Aerospace in the Hangar where the Concords were put together. The boast was the KGB had new design plans from the design room before they got to the shop floor for manufacture. They missed just one vital last minute one – anyone recall the Paris airshow where we showed off what Concord could do and the USSR showed what the Tupolev knock-off couldn’t? –
Lastly Mr Putin, upset that Tony Abbott had the nerve to tell him off again about the MH317 has sent two warships and their support ships heading towards Brisbane where the G20 is on now. The main vessel is Cruise/Nuke capable and has some but I don’t expect they will use them. Shame if they do, we have exactly none. It might just be country-sized game of ‘how high up the wall you can pee’ – if that’s the case then Putin wins .. and I don’t think we can rely on the US to play this time around even if Obama can remember where he put that darn briefcase…
Happy Days lol
“could reach a peak before 2020, much earlier than previously predicted…” This is 2015 and before 2020 is 2019. In this business, you can’t suddenly attenuate anything and replace it with something much different in a few years. The foundations are already poured and the long hole coal mining stopes already developed for the next couple of decades.
They say “…the global temperature goal of 2℃.”
1. A global temperature of 2℃ would pretty much be the end of life as we know it. Surely humans would survive around the equator, but that’s about it.
Eric
PS – I know the idiots mean the global temperature goal rise of less then 2℃. However, the next best chance to get a temperature rise of over 2℃ is during the next interglacial.
Correct, but media so often ignores to inform us that the +2C goal is from ca. 1880, that is + ca. 1,2 C from today. One should think that with all the attention focused on a few parts of a degree more or less, they would be able to have a clear idea about this, but I suspect they just don’t care a bit CAGW any more, nor believe their own scares themselves any longer.
Barack Obama has to look like he is pushing the CAGW agenda in order to placate his Big Green donors! It doesn’t matter if nothing comes of it as long as he is seen asa doing something to “save the planet”!
China is doing us a favor by continuing to add CO2 to the atmosphere, thereby helping the world’s food production through CO2 fertilization and drought resistance (to the extent that humans have any real appreciable effect on atmospheric CO2 concentration).
Unfortunately, the CO2 will be accompanied by many real pollutants. Not a favor, not at all.
Completely meaningless, President Obama leaves office in January 2017.
Reblogged this on gottadobetterthanthis and commented:
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Dumb. Still, who is dumber, the President who agreed to such nonsense, the reporters who extol it, or the common citizens who react with anything other than derision?
Obama is not stupid. He’s not a genius, either, but he knows what he’s doing. It’s deliberate.
Jo Nova picked this story up as well
Regards
Climate Heretic
Given this site’s track record in climate fact checking, I thought I’d post a link to John Kerry’s statement about the deal with China and see if anyone here can spot the whopper. I’ll check in from time to time to see. Question to the peanut gallery: Is it an example of stupidity, sloppiness, laziness, or dishonesty?
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/12/opinion/john-kerry-our-historic-agreement-with-china-on-climate-change.html
The entire piece is a whopper. How about the last line “Let’s ensure that this is the first step toward a world that is more prosperous and more secure.” Destroying the US economy will certainly not make the world more prosperous and secure.
“Our target builds on the ambitious goal President Obama set in 2009 to cut emissions in the range of 17 percent below 2005 levels by 2020. We are on track to meet that goal, while creating jobs and growing the economy, with the help of a burgeoning clean energy sector”
Kerry is completely delusional. I live in Indiana. 84% of our electricity comes from coal fired power plants. We use this to generate heat in the Winter and air conditioning in the Summer. Even more cheap electricity is generated, using coal for industry.
From the US Energy Information Administration:
http://www.eia.gov/state/?sid=IN
“Indiana’s industrial sector, which includes manufacturers of aluminum, chemicals, glass, metal casting, and steel, consumed more energy in 2011 than the residential and commercial sectors combined”
Our economy thrives only because of fossil fuels. I am stupefied that our political leaders can make such ignorant statements such as those from Kerry. Atmospheric science is my field of expertise but I apply it to estimate crop yields during the growing season and energy use for residential heating and cooling.
Something is really wrong here. Seriously, how can an agenda with such incredibly obvious deleterious effects on the US economy(with no benefits) be falsely presented like this?
There is room for discussion regarding the amount of global warming that increasing CO2 causes, I get that. It is not right that one side chooses to ignore the massive benefits from CO2 to our biosphere, vegetative health and world food production……..this is blatant bias.
It is not right that one side blames extreme weather events on global warming, even snow and cold…….when this is false.
However, to state that cutting the use of cheap fossil fuels and replacing them with less efficient/reliable and more expensive renewable energy sources will help grow our economy is either delusional or the result of somebody with a hidden motive with the intention of greatly harming our country/people.
At the same time, making an agreement with China, based on them continuing to increase their use of fossils fuels for at least the next 16 years.
If Kerry’s/Obama’s way is going to grow the economy, then why is China doing the exact opposite for the next 16 years?
I smell another Nobel Peace prize for Obama in this. He just saved the world by getting China to state what their current plan is. Diabolical.
‘make best efforts to peak early and intends to increase the share of non-fossil fuels in primary energy consumption to around 20% by 2030. ‘ last bit is easy there building lots of dam and never mind massive amount of concrete then require or the large amount of environmental damage the cause. The first bit is easer still as no one knows what their emission are they can make any old rubbish up and if people do not like it , then hard luck.
The Chinese know well that Obama is weak and his presidency is on life-support so they threw him a line.
The key word in the document is “intend.” And the key year in the document is “2030.”
In 15 year several wars, disasters, stock market crashes and assorted other things can and will happen, and we can bet that neither China nor USA will keep this “agreement” let alone remember this day or the text of the document.
10-4…
http://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2014/10/18/vote-all-you-want-the-secret-government-won-change/jVSkXrENQlu8vNcBfMn9sL/story.html
“The ultimate problem is the pervasive political ignorance on the part of the American people. And indifference to the threat that is emerging from these concealed institutions,”
http://whowhatwhy.com/2014/11/04/double-government-secret-gets/
And laissez-faire has preceded the worst depressions, not that other policies haven’t had their sharp downturns, but they were usually resulting from post war contractions or global market pullbacks.
Well then you should be save. You have an oligarchy. If you’re American.
Maybe, but when you’ve really got yourself into a predicament, who do you want standing next to you ?
No, but the Obama Administration will use it to do as much damage as they can to our industrial infrastructure.
and skyrocket our energy costs under his policy…
“China intends to achieve the peaking of CO2 emissions around 2030”
In other words, China will continue to increase CO2 emissions for “around” the next 16 years.
“The United States intends to achieve an economy-wide target of reducing its emissions by 26%-28% below its 2005 level in 2025 and to make best efforts to reduce its emissions by 28%”
Just another example of why the foreign policy of the US with this administration is laughable……to the world. What sort of deal was this?
China tells Obama that he will NOT make any deals, so Obama says, ok, you can continue to increase CO2 emissions like you want but let me present it so it looks like we made some sort of agreement, so we will both look good and like the rest of climate science, I can spin/interpret it as propaganda.
How about this deal:
Let’s you and me have a joint investment arrangement. I will agree to use 28% of my income to finance it over the next 11 years. You pay nothing, in fact, you can collect all the money the investment makes for the next 16 years and I get nothing.
Let’s tell everybody that we agreed on a deal but because you don’t make as much money as me right now, all the benefits go to you and you pay nothing for “around” 16 years.
OK, who wants to partner with me so I can show others that we are working together on my project to save the world?
This is purely domestic politics for Obama. Apparently Obama wanted the election benefits of an announcement that would be seen as a culmination of his green and clean act of the past few months. The Chinese apparently disdained to be part of that and so prevented the critical timing, that is, an election eve announcement. So now Obama has to put the best face on a sham “agreement”.
Just found this today, Another Government milestone for subsidized solar:
Ivanpha want a taxpayer bailout for the bird roasting plant they built in the desert.
“Government Failure: Another Obama green energy project is looking like it was wired up wrong. This time it’s a giant mirror in the California desert. Its owners are now looking for a federal bailout to pay off their federal loan.
The Ivanpah solar power facility in the Mojave Desert southwest of Las Vegas covers 4,000 acres and has 173,500 heliostats used to turn the sun’s energy into electricity.”
Read More At Investor’s Business Daily: http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/111114-725969-rich-ivanpah-owners-want-taxpayers-to-pay-for-their-mistake.htm#ixzz3IsfXGg4p
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/111114-725969-rich-ivanpah-owners-want-taxpayers-to-pay-for-their-mistake.htm
Can’t journalists bother to read the silly things they write. It’s unmissable. Right there in the very first sentence: “Today, the Presidents of the United States and China announced their respective post-2020 actions …” Hello? Last time I checked the U.S. (still) has a law limiting the president to two terms. By 2020 Obama will have been out of office (no executive order changing that one, buddy) for the better part of 4 years. So, what exactly are his post 2020 actions supposed to be? Me thinks that by 2020 all of us except the ‘One’ will be doing everything we can to forge ahead and forget the nightmare of his tawdry 8 years. And by 2020 the only thing Obama’s probably going to be doing (certainly not campaigning for any Senators, House reps, Governors, Lt. Governors, or Mayors) is improving his golf game to the point where he might actually get good at it. Gotta’ be good at something.
I’ve just done a similar deal with Walmart.
Me: I’ll buy this thing for $5.
Walmart: We sell this thing for $100
Press release: Historic agreement with Walmart on purchase of thing.
C’mon, we can trust the Chinese, right? Ya think?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/chinese-hack-us-weather-systems-satellite-network/2014/11/12/bef1206a-68e9-11e4-b053-65cea7903f2e_story.html
Are you American? Ever heard the letters N, S and A? Trust… you crack me up.
Yep, born and raised in the USA.
I find the IRS, EPA, DOJ, just as a start, more concerning than the NSA. Heck, that type of stuff has been happening since you first started using a computer. We could probably drill down to some of your first emails ever sent in some of the data warehouses.
The other unelected officials in charge of those other agencies are impacting policy right now, and right in our face. NSA, not so much unless you deserve attention. Just sayin….. Don’t get me started on what Apple has done to every person who has ever registered and used their devices. You want to be scared, dig into that part of our technological advances. LOL
The alarmists seem to be celebrating. The biggest polluter on Earth commits itself to annual pollution increase until 2030. No imminent panic then. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-diB65scQU
LOL…you can’t make this stuff up.
Agreements like this are meaningless. Targets are for years in the future. No accountability.
None of this is a problem, of course because their goal is silly and vacuous to begin with.
I suspect that this is something Obama has done to save face for is up and coming authorization of the Keystone XL.
I think that China has scored a strategic and economic coup. They have gotten the US to tighten it’s own belt severely for the next 16 years, while avoiding the obligation to do anything themselves for the same period of time.
The US will take the brunt of the damage, while China can continue to expand their energy sector at will.
If (as I suspect) the ‘Hiatus’ persists for as long, then by 2030 the world will have abundant empirical evidence that (1) increasing anthropogenic CO2 emissions/levels do NOT cause increasing global temperatures, that (2) the ‘free world’ has been played for fools, and that (3) there will be no reason for China to take any steps to reduce CO2 emissions.
For those of us who follow Chinese energy production trends (a difficult task, given their notorious lack of transparency on key subjects), what this agreement indicates is that the Chinese expect their coal production to stabilize and begin declining sometime between 2020 and 2030. Since there is no major source of coal imports they can draw on to offset an internal drop in production, they can confidently assert that their CO2 emissions will begin to decline before 2030 and thus take credit among the green community now for what will be a matter of stark necessity in the next decade or so. They also give Obama a figleaf for claiming a counter balancing action on the part of China for the burdens that he and the EPA are placing on the U.S. economy in reducing coal use by mandate.
And Obama wonders why the American people are losing their trust in government!
Thirteen percent of all Australia’s exports is thermal coal to China:
http://www.minerals.org.au/news/australian_coal_exports_to_china
And of course with their russian gas deals they will gradually reduce coal consumption in their cities in favour of gas powered enrgy systems thus reducing co² emissions while increasing prosperity. Obama is a halfwit no sorry I exagerate, a no wit.
Richard Nehring
November 12, 2014 at 11:47 am
Interesting interpretation. Thank you.