Splicing Clouds

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

So once again, I have donned my Don Quixote armor and continued my quest for a ~11-year sunspot-related solar signal in some surface weather dataset. My plan for the quest has been simple. It is based on the fact that all of the phenomena commonly credited with affecting the temperature, such as cosmic rays, the solar wind, changes in heliomagnetism, changes in extreme ultraviolet (EUV), or changes in total solar irradiation (TSI), all vary in phase with the sunspots. As a result, if there is no sunspot cycle visible in the terrestrial surface weather datasets, then we can assume that none of those phenomena are affecting the dataset.

To date I’ve looked for an 11-year cycle in local sea level datasets, river flow datasets, beryllium datasets, global surface temperatures, lower tropospheric temperatures, global sea levels, Nile River levels, and a bunch more surface datasets. I have looked at literally dozens of measures of the weather, and I’ve found … well … nothing.

Now, does this mean that the sunspot cycles have no effect on the weather? Absolutely not, you can’t prove a negative in any case. It just means, I haven’t found the evidence to support the claims that some weather phenomena somewhere follows the sunspots. It may still be there, and so I continue looking.

I freely admit that I entered upon this quest with a preconception of what I’d find … but not the preconception I’m often accused of having. What many people may not realize is that I thought this quest would be easy. I believed that the evidence of a sunspot-climate connection wouldn’t be hard to find. Back in 2008 I wrote:

There are strong suggestions that cloud cover is influenced by the 22-year solar Hale magnetic cycle.

And given the number of places I’d read the claim that sunspots influence the climate, I figured it would be no problem to find surface weather datasets that showed some correlation with the 11 or the 22-year sunspot cycle. But to my great surprise, I’ve not been able to come up with a single surface weather dataset of any kind which shows such effects.

In this quest, I have relied mostly on a couple of methods to determine if the sunspot cycles are present. One is the cross-correlation analysis. This shows how well correlated two time series are at a variety of time lags. It helps in distinguishing real from random results—for example, if the correlations are as great for sunspots lagging the climate as they are for sunspots leading the climate, you’ve got problems.

Note that there is an inherent problem when looking for correlations with a signal like sunspots, which has a strong cyclical nature and high autocorrelation. This is that you will get what look like real correlations when you correlate sunspots with a wide range of random data. In addition, again because of the strong cyclical nature of sunspots, whatever correlations you find you’ll also find around eleven years later. As a result, you have to include an adjustment for autocorrelation when you calculate the statistical significance of your results, or you need to do a Monte Carlo analysis of the question.

The other method that I rely on is the periodogram. This is an analysis of the underlying cycles in the data itself. For example, here are the sunspots since 1749:

monthly sunspots 1749 2014Figure 1. Monthly sunspots since 1749. Pre-1947 values have been increased by 20% to bring them into line with the modern counts, as has been repeated discussed here at WUWT. It makes little difference for the analysis.

And here is the periodogram of the sunspots shown above:

periodogram monthly sunspots 1749 2014Figure 2. Periodogram of monthly sunspots. A periodogram shows the strength of each of the component cycles. The units are the percentage of the range of the data (range of individual cycle divided by range of the data. Due to popular demand, the data is windowed with a Hanning window.

Note that there is a fairly broad peak with the largest value at 11.2 years, and a secondary narrow peak at 10 years. So if we find these kinds of signals in any surface weather dataset, that would be good evidence that there is a connection to either the sunspots, or to some phenomenon that varies in phase with the sunspot cycle, such as cosmic rays or TSI.

With that as prologue, let me show the latest dataset I’ve been investigating. This is US station records showing the percentage of clouds. The cloud data are from 192 locations scattered around the US. As is my custom, I started out by looking at each and every one of the 192 records in the dataset. Here is a sample of ten of them:

ten of the 192 cloud recordsFigure 3. Ten of the individual cloud records in the dataset. 

When I looked at that, I was surprised by the trends. To be sure, the scale is different for each panel, which emphasizes the trends. But the same results are visible in the average of the dataset.

average change us clouds 1900 1987 rebuildFigure 4. Average of all of the 192 cloud datasets. Unfortunately, the data ends in 1987. The data is calculated as the cumulative sum of the means of the first differences (monthly changes) of all available datasets. Note that in this case, this first-difference method shows little variation in the period 1900-1987 from a simple mean of the data (not shown).

Now this is what I call an interesting result. I would never have guessed that the cloud cover in the US was about 10% greater in the 1980s compared with the 1920s. I do find it interesting that in response to the rapid US surface temperature rise during the 1930s and 1940s, the cloud cover acted to minimize the change by increasing quite rapidly.

However, that’s just evidence in support of my hypothesis that the clouds (and other emergent phenomena) act to minimize changes in temperature. It says nothing about whether there is a solar signal there or not. To determine that, I calculated the periodogram for the average cloud percentages shown in Figure 4.

periodogram us average cloud percentageFigure 5. Periodogram, average of US station data.

As you can see, there is very little in the way of power in the range from five to twenty-five years … no sign of a solar signal.

The situation with the individual datasets is much the same. There are a variety of signals, but again nothing in the range from five to twenty-five years exceeds about 5% of the total signal. Here is a typical set of four:

periodogram four station cloud percentageFigure 6. Periodograms showing the strength of the various cycle lengths, for four individual stations.

As you can see, there is quite a bit of variation in the individual records. Some have strong annual cycles, while others have equal-sized annual and six-month cycles. And some show only a six-month cycle, with no clear annual cycle. This is interesting, because it allows us to identify those stations which have strong thermally-driven summer thunderstorms. They show strong six-month cycles.

But to return to the sunspots, none of the stations shows any significant strength in the range from five to twenty-five years, it’s all down in the weeds, and each of them is different.

So I had to conclude once again that the solar signal is simply not visible in these cloud datasets.

Once I was done looking at the solar question, I got to thinking about the fact that the ground station cloud dataset ends in 1987. I realized that the ISCCP satellite dataset started in 1983 … giving a 53-month overlap. So I decided to see what the ISCCP dataset had to say about the US clouds. Since the ISCCP dataset is gridded, it is a matter of extracting just the land data in the area covered by the US stations. I started by looking at the two datasets during the period of the overlap:

closeup of overlap station and satellite cloudFigure 7. Overlap of the two cloud coverage datasets, one being the average of 184 ground station records (green), and one from the ISCCP satellite data (blue). In the raw form, the two are offset by only about one percent. As a result, I have rebaselined the ground station data upwards by about one percent to match the ISCCP data during the period of the overlap.

Now, I have to say that I was very impressed by the agreement between the two datasets. I had expected to find much poorer correlation. But in fact, by and large the two datasets are in surprisingly good agreement.

As a result, I think that we are justified in splicing the two datasets together, so that we can get a long-term record of the US clouds. Here is that record.

us cloud cover percentageFigure 8. Spliced data, with the early data from the ground stations and the late data from the ISCCP satellite. I used the average of the two datasets during the period of the overlap.

Now, this is a fascinating graph containing lots of unanswered question. It puts the ISCCP data (black and red) into a most interesting long-term context. When looking at just the ISPPC data it seems as if the cloud coverage was falling. But in the longer context, it can be seen that this kind of variation has been going on since about 1960.

I draw no great conclusions from this, except that overall, as the US warmed post-1930, the US cloud coverage rose as well. Go figure …

One reason I’m reluctant to draw many conclusions about this graph of the clouds is a curious one. In science, it is very difficult to demonstrate causality. However, a very smart man named Granger realized that we can demonstrate a weaker form of causality, called “Granger causality”.

The essence of the idea of Granger causality is that if having historical information about phenomenon A allows us to significantly improve our predictions of phenomenon B, then A is said to “Granger-cause” B. Makes sense to me. If knowing historical cloud cover allows us to improve our predictions of temperature, then cloud cover would be said to “Granger-cause” temperature.

However, there’s an oddity of Granger causation, which is that there are not just three, but four possible states, viz:

1) Neither variable A nor variable B Granger-causes the other, or

2) Variable A Granger-causes variable B, or

3) Variable B Granger-causes variable A, or finally

4) Variable A Granger-causes variable B AND variable B Granger-causes variable A.

So … care to guess the Granger relationship between temperature and clouds? Yep, you’re right, it’s choice 4) … each one Granger-causes the other one. Clouds affect the temperature, and temperature affects the clouds. Knowing the history of either one helps us to predict the next step of the other one. It’s just another demonstration of Murphy’s Corollary, which is that “Nature always sides with the hidden flaw.” Which definitely makes it hard to draw lots of conclusions.

In any case, that’s all the fun I’m legally allowed to have in one twenty-four-hour period. So to keep the future full of interest, let me put out a request for people to send me a link to a dataset. What dataset? Why, of course, the surface weather dataset that you think most clearly shows the sunspot-related solar influence.

A few notes about the kinds of datasets I’m looking for.

First, I’m asking what you think is the very best dataset, the dataset that actually contains the clearest evidence for the solar signal. Please don’t send me links to ten datasets. I don’t have graduate students or assistants and I do have a day job pounding nails. So please, choose your best evidence to make your best case.

Note that I’m not asking for studies, I’m asking for observational data. I’m not interested in any of the hundreds of studies out there that claim to find a solar signal in some surface climate dataset, like my favorite study. That was the one that found the solar signal … in the ring widths of one single tree in Chile. Seriously, one single tree, the study is out there, and somebody sent it to me claiming it was evidence.

Here’s the issue. Every study that I’ve looked at has had serious and often horrendous problems, and I’m sick of digging through the trash looking for a diamond. In any case, no matter what the study may claim, I’m gonna have to do the analysis myself. And to do that, I don’t need the study—all I need is the link to the dataset.

Next, please provide a link to the exact dataset itself. I don’t want to guess which dataset you are referring to, or choose from among a dozen datasets on some web page, or have to google some obscure name.

Next, please no “reanalysis data” from NCAR or NCEP or anywhere. Let me explain the problem with using what is laughably called “reanalysis data” from NCAR or NCEP in any analysis of solar effects. The “reanalysis data” is not data at all. Instead, it is the output of a computer model. Now, I’m not an opponent of computer models, I’ve both written and also used lots of computer models. The problem is that the current generation of climate models are quite linear … but nature is antilinear.

Now, for some kinds of analyses this is not a big problem, but this flaw makes model output useless for some specific applications. In particular, since the model outputs are some kind of lagged linear transformation of the inputs, in general whatever you put in the front end of a climate model will be visible in the output … and downward solar radiation flux is most assuredly an input to the reanalysis models. Since the models are linear, this means that there is a very good chance that we will find a solar signal in the output of the reanalysis models, that we’ll see a sunspot-related wiggle in the so-called “reanalysis data” … but unfortunately finding that signal in the computer output means absolutely nothing about the extremely non-linear real world. So please, if it says NCEP or NCAR or “reanalysis” anywhere, don’t bother sending it.

Finally, as a radio amateur I’m well aware of the solar effect on the ionosphere. Up there where there is one molecule per cubic ohmmeter or somesuch miniscule number, and it’s not atmosphere as we know it but a plasma of ionized gases, yes, I agree that the sun has effects. However, I can find no evidence that those effects make it down to affect the weather where we live, at the surface. Might do so, but I haven’t seen it yet. This is why I’ve asked for surface datasets, because I’ve never found the claimed 11-year cycles down here at the bottom of the gravity well.

So with those exceptions, you’re free to send any of a host of surface datasets that you think have a sunspot signal—sea level, rainfall, river flow, lake levels, temperature, atmospheric pressure, river flow and many more, the choice is up to you.

Now, there is a commenter who objects strongly whenever I ask people to send me their best evidence. He claims I’m asking him to do the research that I should be doing. But all I’m asking for is a dataset—I am the person who has to do the research. The problem is, there are hundreds and hundreds of datasets out there, and my time is short. I don’t have time to analyze them all. So I’m asking for your assistance in winnowing the wheat from the chaff. If you don’t like my asking for assistance in this process, please, just ignore the post. Raising the same objections once again won’t burnish your reputation.

In addition, I see this as a chance for you guys to definitively show everyone that there actually is a sunspot-related signal that makes it down here to the surface where we live. So I invite you—bring out your best dataset. I’ve just looked at the US cloud record and found nothing … your turn.

Regarding the clouds, I walked this evening with the gorgeous ex-fiancee along the western edge of Bodega Bay. The cold front that brought us welcome rain earlier in the day was just past, and so we got to look east across the Bay at the back side of the cold front. Mostly it was kind of a wiggly stratus, an unusual formation. Out to the west, there was clear sky, and the late evening sun from behind us lit up the clouds above and the hills below. Looking at that blue, clean-washed piece of sky, I was reminded of the scientifically accurate words of the poet  about clouds:

 I am the daughter of Earth and Water,

And the nursling of the Sky;

I pass through the pores of the ocean and shores;

I change, but I cannot die.

For after the rain when with never a stain

The pavilion of Heaven is bare,

And the winds and sunbeams with their convex gleams

Build up the blue dome of air,

I silently laugh at my own cenotaph,

And out of the caverns of rain,

Like a child from the womb, like a ghost from the tomb,

I arise and unbuild it again.

Best regards to everyone, keep on unbuilding,

w.

MY REQUEST: If you disagree with someone (highly unlikely, I know, but work with me here), please QUOTE THE EXACT WORDS YOU DISAGREE WITH. That will let everyone know just what you think is incorrect.

MY POSITION: Note that I am NOT saying that the sun doesn’t affect the earth. It does affect the earth in a host of ways, and we can see that every dawn.

What I AM saying is that I have never found a significant sunspot-related ~11 year signal in any surface weather-related dataset. Doesn’t mean it’s not there somewhere, just means I haven’t found it yet. If you think it’s there … this is your chance to identify the dataset which contains the signal.

DATA: the ISCCP D2 cloud coverage data is here, the US ground station cloud coverage data is here, and the sunspot data (unadjusted) is here.

CATALOG: all of the ISCCP data is indexed here. Took me a while to find it, because it’s on the NOAA website.

CODE: R computer code, along with some of the collated data, is here as a zipped folder. The code is all there. However, I’d describe it as user-aggressive … and like all of my code, it’s not written to run from top to bottom. It also contains a lot of other things that don’t make it into the final report, various analyses and graphs. I believe that all of the code and functions are there to produce all of the graphics and analyses above. If not, let me know.

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November 1, 2014 9:44 am

ENSO effects US cloud cover, and El Nino episodes/conditions tend to happen in the same place in most solar cycles. That doesn’t mean that you can reduce it to an 11yr signal though, as the solar wind speed has more than one major drop through the sunspot cycle.
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/people/tao.zhang/UShydrocycle-9.pdf

Pamela Gray
Reply to  Ulric Lyons
November 1, 2014 2:30 pm

The same place? Really? Prove it. And cite “significant”, not “tend” statistics.

Reply to  Pamela Gray
November 2, 2014 7:04 am

The most regular major drop in the solar wind speed through the solar cycle is typically around one year after sunspot minimum. El Nino episodes (conditions*) occurred in 1902, 1913/14, 1925, 1936*, 1946, 1957 (late), 1965, 1976, 1986, 1997, and 2009.
There is a similar frequency of El Nino episodes/conditions at sunspot maxima, exceptions with higher solar wind speed and La Nina episodes at sunspot maximum instead occurred in 1938, 1989, and 2000.
https://www.longpaddock.qld.gov.au/products/australiasvariableclimate/ensoyearclassification.html

Bill McCarter
November 1, 2014 9:45 am

There seems to be a lot of belief in the comments that the signal would be obscurred by other aspects of the climate system. I disagree.
The diurnal cycle is obvious and short. The temperature of the atmosphere changes rapidly due to changes in input. Any effects over a yearly cycle would be detectable. I have camped outdoors in many climate zones, one may freeze in the desert at night and fry during the day. a shift of 40 degrees C.
There is a governor in this climate system and it is very powerful, identifying it is a bit of a problem however. I believe that Willis is on the right track with the moisture system ie. clouds.

John West
November 1, 2014 9:50 am

There’s an emergent phenomena in the afternoon of the solar cycle that’s pretty obvious in this graphic from Joe Bastardi’s recent post:
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/clip_image003.png
Perhaps like thunderstorms being feature of the diurnal cycle, El Nino’s might be a feature of the solar cycle; its precise arrival timing and strength depending upon the conditions of the solar cycle.

Curious George
Reply to  John West
November 1, 2014 10:14 am

Please read Joe Bastardi more carefully. The red crosses are carefully cherry-picked El Ninos; most are not depicted.

Reply to  Curious George
November 2, 2014 6:22 am

There are two errors, in SC 19 the El Nino was from early 1957, three years after the sunspot minimum, and the last red cross is placed too early, it should be on the 2009/10 El Nino. That major El Nino episodes occur with regularity at the dominant drop in the solar wind speed in most sunspot cycles around one year after each sunspot minimum, is profound evidence for a solar cycle influence on weather and climate.

Kasuha
November 1, 2014 9:57 am

I’m not sure it’s correct to splice the two cloud datasets this way. The two signals appear to lie nicely on top of each other but amplitudes of the two signals are clearly different – there seems to be a systematic shift where at lower clouds, satellites are picking more cloud cover than humans and the other way around for high cloud cover. By proper recalculating of human observations to satellite measurements, the 1940 rise might decrease in magnitude significantly. Sadly the overlap is very short. It would be probably better to do much more detailed correlation analysis, down to the level of individual stations to have some decent certainity it’s done right.
The way it is done, amplitude of features to the left of the splice is uncomparable to the amplitude of features to the right.

November 1, 2014 10:04 am

rgbatduke
November 1, 2014 at 7:36 am
Much more difficult, much more subject to the curse of dimensionality.
Not only in space but in time.
Two of the major indices run on clocks ‘set’ at different frequencies, a bit like two cars, one travelling at 50 and the other 55 mph. Last re-starting point was sometime before or around 1900, there are some indications that both may soon run out of petrol (gasoline), if so I suspect another re-starting point may not be far off.
While we are at ‘pseudoscience’, the three mayor highly respected scientists McCracken, Beer and Steinhilber have moved over to ‘astrology’
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11207-014-0510-1
Desperate times require desperate measures !

Reply to  vukcevic
November 1, 2014 10:23 am

I’ll try another analogy
Two cars on a racing circuit at 150 and 165 mph, no re-start more likely ‘lapping’ over. Unfortunately, good data may not be even one ‘lap’ long.

November 1, 2014 10:55 am

While we are about solar cycles, SSN is 27 points down at the SIDC’s October count see graph here , making the second SC24’s peak definitely over, is there peak no. 3 coming (?), no idea, but Dr. S some time ago suggested it may be even more.

Reply to  vukcevic
November 1, 2014 5:32 pm

I hope not. I want those warmists to eat some crow and only the Sun can make that happen!

Reply to  vukcevic
November 2, 2014 1:52 am

I hope yes. Longer the cycle, stronger the cooling.

Toto
November 1, 2014 11:12 am

Willis is also showing the lack of any other short term cycles.

November 1, 2014 11:27 am

Willis Eschenbach wrote shortly after Figure 8:
“I draw no great conclusions from this, except that overall, as the US warmed post-1930, the US cloud coverage rose as well. Go figure …”
I consider this comment as a somewhat cherrypicked sideshow to claim that clouds are a negative feedback to global temperature. However, I notice Figure 8 having cloud reporting peaking in the late 1960s, and most global warming in the time record covered by Figure 8 occurred afterwards.
The way I see it, to the extent Figure 8 shows clouds having a negative feedback on global temperature, I think there is no need to narrow down to a decade – I see that as motivating suspicion of cherrypicking more than it explains a point.
Also, I see this point as a distraction from low rate of visible presence of a ~11-year or ~22-year in surface weather datasets. If your point is that Earth is simultaneously self-regulating and acting randomly, I suggest avoidance of appearance of cherrypicking, of things related to negativity/positivity & chicken/egg of cloud coverage with global (or US) temperature. It appears to me that being more strictly focused on lack of correlation with solar cycles would be better for you to get your point across.

Dave G
November 1, 2014 11:30 am

There are different types of clouds no? To me, what’s important is the type of cloud… does the cloud cover give us any indication of that.?

Greg
November 1, 2014 11:34 am

Willis, why not plot you composite clould graph figure 8 with SSN ?
I’ll do this later but I’m going out and don’t have time.
It looks, by eye, a lot like that those bumps in post 1940 cloud data match SSN peaks, ie negative cloud feedback to solar max.
If that is as it appears this raises the question of the notable dip in 2000 and flat earlier period. Perhaps as RGB suggests there are confounding varaibles at work here.

Dave G
November 1, 2014 11:42 am

You should also try plot the first derivative of the temperature trend line against the cloud cover.

Curious George
Reply to  Dave G
November 1, 2014 12:09 pm

A first derivative of noisy data is a palmist’s (or climastrologist’s) dream.

Mike from the cold side of the Sierra
November 1, 2014 12:13 pm

RGB – I’m struggling trying to comprehend what you mean by “The climate is “probably” orbiting in poincare cycles in some high dimensional space in association with a strange attractor. “

Ian W
Reply to  Mike from the cold side of the Sierra
November 2, 2014 8:23 am

You should read “Chaos” by James Gleick (the better of the brothers) and/or “Does God Play Dice – The New Mathematics of Chaos” by Ian Stewart. Then you will understand a little more about ‘strange attractors’ and Poincaré Cycles.

rgbatduke
Reply to  Mike from the cold side of the Sierra
November 4, 2014 5:54 am

Right, although you can also read nice short review articles, with pictures, on wikipedia (e.g. here):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attractor
and make a small contribution to keep this incredible resource going. Personally, I think of wikipedia as one of the all time great achievements of humankind, right up there with open source software collections. Note well that the picture on the right is a projective view of a very simple attractor in low dimensionality. Now — and this will hurt a bit, or at least it does when I try to stretch my own brain to do it — try to visualize just a ten dimensional version of this same kind of structure, where this entire figure might just be a projection of the trajectory domain from ten down to two with a third sort-of-visible with imagination or a pair of 3D glasses.
A climate model with only ten dimensions would still be trivially oversimplified.
Note well that a trajectory like the one portrayed isn’t static. The system moves from one state to the next on the attractor. The attractor itself could be stable — a limit cycle where the system is constantly pulled towards a fixed point (or fixed cycle, or fixed hypersurface as it needn’t be stable in all dimensions) or it could be unstable. The attractors themselves can rearrange themselves, the fixed points can move, whole orbital regions can appear or disappear in systems with multiple locally stable attractors. Points leading to stable attractors can be mixed infinitely finely so that two distinct real numbers separated by infinitely small boundaries can go to completely different limit cycles or stable points.
Note well Lorenz’s original portrayal of a limit cycle from one of the original climate models (where chaos was discovered) is a figure. Note also the absurdity of averaging over pitifully short fragments of the trajectory bundles from neighboring initial points and asserting that this average is the “most likely trajectory”. Most of the “most likely trajectory” is as like as not to pass through completely unoccupied, inaccessible parts of the actual phase space of possible trajectories! See, for example the bifurcation diagram (Feigenbaum “tree”) showing the period doubling route to chaos for simple nonlinear oscillators. The “mean” trajectory is nearly completely meaningless — one might as well linearize the system and pretend that the chaos does not happen, extending the original unbifurcated line.
rgb

David L. Hagen
November 1, 2014 12:38 pm

Willis Re: “a . . .surface weather dataset that . . . shows the sunspot-related solar influence.”
I recommend searching for the LAG of the global ocean temperature behind the integral of the solar cycle, using the ACRIM Composite TSI against the ocean temperature data sets. Posted at: ACRIM Data Products
This lag was predicted by David R.B. Stockwell to be 2.75 years (90° or Pi/2) and found by TSI (Lean 2001) (and sunspot count) against each of HadCRUT3vGL, HadSST2GL, CRUTEM3vGL, and GISSTEMP. CO2 warming cannot produce this lag.
Nicola Scafetta, Richard C. Willson, ACRIM total solar irradiance satellite composite validation versus TSI proxy models, Astrophysics and Space Science ( 2014) Volume 350, Issue 2, pp.421-442 ; Scafetta Duke; arvix.org; Supplement.
Alternatively use the revised sunspot area, based on the revised sunspot number.
David R.B. Stockwell, “Key evidence for the accumulative model of high solar influence on global temperature” 4 August 23, 2011 http://vixra.org/pdf/1108.0032v1.pdf

Firstly, variations in global temperature at all time scales are more correlated with the accumulated solar anomaly than with direct solar radiation. Secondly, accumulated solar anomaly and sunspot count fits the global temperature from 1900, including the rapid increase in temperature since 1950, and the flat temperature since the turn of the century. The third, crucial piece of evidence is a 90 deg shift in the phase of the response of temperature to the 11 year solar cycle. These results, together with previous physical justifications, show that the accumulation of solar anomaly is a viable explanation for climate change without recourse to changes in heat-trapping greenhouse gasses.

See especially Fig. 3 http://vixra.org/pdf/1108.0032v1.pdf
David R.B. Stockwell shows that the direct correlation of solar irradiance with temperature R^2 is only 0.028 while the cumulative solar irradiance has a correlation R^2 of 0.72 and solar + volcanic has R^2 of 0.78. See Fig. 4 in
David R.B. Stockwell “On the Dynamics of Global Temperature” August 2, 2011 http://vixra.org/pdf/1108.0004v1.pdf
David R.B. Stockwell, “Accumulation of Solar Irradiance Anomaly as a Mechanism for Global Temperature Dynamics” 9 Aug. 2011
http://vixra.org/abs/1108.0020

. . .empirical and physically-based auto-regressive AR(1) model, where temperature response is the integral of the magnitude of solar forcing over its duration. . .The model explains 76% of the variation in GT from the 1950s by solar heating at a rate of $0.06\pm 0.03K W^{-1}m^{-2}Yr^{-1}$ relative to the solar constant of $1366Wm^{-2}$.

Stockwell further shows a 2.75 year Phase Shift in Spencer’s Data

Pamela Gray
Reply to  David L. Hagen
November 1, 2014 2:32 pm

Model “data”? No.

David L. Hagen
Reply to  Pamela Gray
November 1, 2014 3:13 pm

Pamela
Satellite TSI, Sunspots, Sea Surface Temperatures are all “DATA”.
Scafetta & Wilson provide an interpolation between missing satellite data to form the “composite”. The lag should show up with/without the interpolation.

David L. Hagen
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
November 1, 2014 7:15 pm

Thanks Willis for checking and identifying the autocorrelation issues. I thought the satellite data might be better. Stockwell used about 4x longer data sets with about 10 solar cycles.

Greg
Reply to  David L. Hagen
November 3, 2014 7:52 am

If you are seeing a lag similar to about pi/2 of the main frequency component, you should probably be looking at the derivative or integral for the direct correlation.
This is like phase shift between SST and CO2, once you compare d/dt(CO2) there is no phase shift and the overall correlation is better since it is not just the principal frequency that is now in phase.
Also, since temperature is a measure of thermal energy and the solar proxies are considered in W/m2 , ie power, this would again suggest looking for at either the integral of the solar proxy or d/dt(temp).

JeffC
November 1, 2014 12:40 pm

anyone who is looking for a single variable to explain the weather (CO2, sunspots) is on a fools errand … good work if you can get it but a waste of time for the most part …

Greg
Reply to  JeffC
November 3, 2014 8:04 am

Indeed, unless you are out to show that there’s no detectable solar signal, in which case you will get some reassuring bias confirmation.
The flat pre-WWII section of Willis’ graph and Ulrich’s graph in comments both indicate some other variable that is drifting in phase with respect to solar. In Ulrich’s we clearly see two peaks per solar cycle and lesser peak-to-peak from about 1920-1950.
The two seem to come into phase and be additive in the later warming period. Several studies finding a solar signal have concentrated on a restricted period where it shows a strong signal. This leads to a falsely strong solar attribution.
Conversely others take the lack of correlation in the earlier period to be proof that there is zero detectable solar signal.
All this shows is that solar is not the producing the vast majority of the 11y variability. It does not tell us whether there is or is not a longer term correlation. This is more difficult to determine. There is a rough correlation with the integral of SSN as there is with CO2. Neither is clearly identifiable and both have discrepancies that require other factors to be brought in.
In short, single variable analysis does not really tell us much at all, except that climate is not slave to one driving force.

Sancho P
November 1, 2014 1:43 pm

Willis, a couple of questions about the observation data set:
Are some of the apparent trends in the cloud cover over time down to a switch between ‘tenths’ to ‘oktas’ ?
I think that they changed around WWII and there is a big step change in the Wichita cover ~1940 .
Showing that the annual signal is much larger than any 11/22 year signal is not quite the same as showing there isn’t much of a solar signal. Might it be worthwhile to look at the annual-average cloud covers?

Kasuha
November 1, 2014 1:59 pm

Splicing your two graphs on top of each other suggests some correlation between 1950 and 2000 but of course lack of correlation before and after that makes that correlation very questionable. I’m definitely not defending the idea that there is any causation between them. It however also suggests that the periodogram analysis might be completely unsuitable tool for this purpose.
http://i.imgur.com/vMDSknc.png

November 1, 2014 2:11 pm

Willis You are looking over too short a cycle frequency over too small an area to see the solar effects on a global scale. The 11 year cycle is more or less noise on top of the longer term cycles.
You need to look at the approximate 60 and 1000 year temperature cycles to see the relationship.
The best proxy for solar activity is the 10Be and neutron count data. Check the NGRIP Be flux data at Fig 11
at http://climatesense-norpag.blogspot.com/2014/07/climate-forecasting-methods-and-cooling.html
Expand the view to 400%.
Look at the trends from about 1870 – 95 ,1895- 1940,1940-1965,1965 -1991.
There is about a 12 year lag from this driver input to Global Temperatures.
see Fig3 in Usoskin et al
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/2005ESASP.560…19U.
Therefore e.g on the Had SST3 temperature NH 5 year moving average curves on Fig 15 (on link to my site)
First note the approximate 30 year segments of the 60 year cycle.
Then Check 1882-1907, 1907-1952,1952- 1977,1977 – 2003
These provide very reasonable matching trends considering the real world variation in the lag times and the problems of the exact dating of the 10Be Data.
For further ” proof” note the obvious Dalton and Maunder minimums ie higher flux on the NGRIP 10BE flux data.
The solar driver ” activity peak” is also nicely illustrated at 1991-2 in the Oulu neutron data in Fig14.
with the corresponding temperature peak or plateau expected 2003-4.
Relative to he sun climate connection the same post says
“NOTE!! The connection between solar “activity” and climate is poorly understood and highly controversial. Solar “activity” encompasses changes in solar magnetic field strength, IMF, CRF, TSI, EUV, solar wind density and velocity, CMEs, proton events etc. The idea of using the neutron count and the 10Be record as the most useful proxy for changing solar activity and temperature forecasting is agnostic as to the physical mechanisms involved.
Having said that, however, it is reasonable to suggest that the three main solar activity related climate drivers are:
a) the changing GCR flux – via the changes in cloud cover and natural aerosols (optical depth)
b) the changing EUV radiation – top down effects via the Ozone layer
c) the changing TSI – especially on millennial and centennial scales.
The effect on climate of the combination of these solar drivers will vary non-linearly depending on the particular phases of the eccentricity, obliquity and precession orbital cycles at any particular time”
It is of interest to note that the cloud trends from 00-30 N and 00-30S in fig 10 at McLean
http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperInformation.aspx?PaperID=50837#.VE9LlFfivOU
would fit very nicely both the temperature and 10Be trends discussed earlier. I suggest that this area would be the one best suited for investigating the sun- clouds – temperature relationships.

Reply to  Dr Norman Page
November 1, 2014 2:39 pm

The idea of using the neutron count and the 10Be record as the most useful proxy for changing solar activity and temperature forecasting is agnostic as to the physical mechanisms involved.
No, it is not, as the long-term 10Be record is mostly controlled by the Earth’s magnetic field and by the climate itself [as the 10Be in ice cores depends on the deposition rate as well which is controlled by atmospheric circulation].

Reply to  lsvalgaard
November 1, 2014 4:23 pm

The Flux measurement adjusts for deposition rate as you well know. I agree that the earths magnetic field is an influence but it doesn’t destroy the 10Be solar activity trend signal. If I had only the 10Be NGRIP flux data and some estimate of the lag time ,in which I follow Usoskin , at about 12 years ,as discussed in my post I would have a reasonable notion of what the temperature trends and temperature high and low points were over the last several hundred years. That is why the 10Be data is the most useful proxy. It is very clear that we are on the downtrend from the Holocene maximum which was 7 -8000 years ago. It is very clear that we are close to ,at or just past the peak of a millennial cycle. The recent sharp drop in solar activity seen in the Ap Index ,neutron count ,euv etc coupled with the weak solar cycle 24 is likely indicating the we are past the solar millennial activity peak. The temperature and climate effects of this change lag the driver change by varying amounts in varying regions. eg the Arctic and Antarctic react differently.I think it should show up noticeably especially in the NH temperature data in the 2017-20 time frame. We will see.

Bart
November 1, 2014 2:15 pm

FTA: “As a result, if there is no sunspot cycle visible in the terrestrial surface weather datasets, then we can assume that none of those phenomena are affecting the dataset.”
No, you can only assume that none of those phenomena in that specific frequency range significantly affect the dataset.

Bart
Reply to  Bart
November 1, 2014 2:20 pm

No, you can only assume that none of those phenomena in that specific frequency range significantly affect the dataset in linear fashion.

Reply to  Bart
November 1, 2014 2:33 pm

Bart – exactly what I said above.

Bart
Reply to  Dr Norman Page
November 1, 2014 5:12 pm

Yes.

November 1, 2014 2:19 pm

Added note – if you detrend the 60 year cycles you are then left with the millennial cycle which is the main control for forecasting multi decadal and centennial trends . See the last millennial cycle Fig 9 and the cooling forecasts at the link given in the 2:11pm comment

RomanM
November 1, 2014 2:27 pm

Willis, I might suggest that trying to find patterns in the monthly “average” US cloud series could be somewhat counterproductive. I took your cloudts variable and formed my own version of the mean monthly levels using the offset method which I devised for temperatures several years ago. The result was visually quite similar to the version in the head post. However, I thought that looking at the results by month would possibly be informative given that cloud levels could be expected change seasonally at a given location. Note that I have added a red line for reference purposes at the 50% level.
You will notice that there is a substantial difference in the levels of the time series for the various months. Not only that, the late spring and early summer months appear to have a pattern which has a sudden increase around 1940 that is not reflected as dramatically in the other months. I suspect that there may be regional differences with the data as well.
My point is not that there is necessarily a “solar signal” in this data, but rather that averaging over the entire set with these diverse properties might make it much more difficult to find.

RomanM
Reply to  RomanM
November 1, 2014 2:28 pm

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RomanM
Reply to  RomanM
November 2, 2014 6:36 am

I have uploaded the code for calculating the combined series and for creating the above graph:
https://statpad.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/cloudcombine.doc
The file is a simple text file which can be saved to your computer and renamed as .R or .txt if so desired. The reason that I used the .doc extension is that WordPress does not allow the uploading of ordinary text files to a blog site.

Matthew R Marler
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
November 1, 2014 3:41 pm

It would be helpful if you could give a real-world example of a climate situation where there is a cyclically varying input which does NOT result in a cyclically varying output, but where nonetheless the input is actually affecting the output.
For example, we see that the sun’s radiation varies daily from zero to 1360 W/m2, and the temperatures vary with the same 24-hour period. Now suppose that there were some kind of change in the sun’s radiation or in the earth such that the sun still varied in the same way, but the temperature stayed the same day and night … what conclusions would we draw from this?

I think (fwiw) that your analogy and argument are appropriate. If something in the sunspot cycle affects Earth climate, then despite the fact that the Earth climate is a high-dimensional non-linear dissipative system, the overall evidence is that it responds rapidly enough (at least at the surface and troposphere) that the 11-year period of the driving ought to show up in the Earth climate measurements somewhere. The magnitude of the day-night effect, and the magnitude of the annual effect, plus the lack of an 11-year effect to date, suggest that the sunspot effect if it exists at all must be very weak.
I think that absence of evidence (when looked for where it ought to be) is evidence of absence — it jsn’t conclusive proof, but practically nothing empirical ever is.

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
November 1, 2014 6:35 pm

Surely correlation is one of the first things that twigs our interest in a phenomenon and has led to fundamental discoveries. Perhaps it’s more exact to say that correlation isn’t guaranteed to lead us to causation. However it is essential to have it in relation to actual causation. Are there exceptions to this?

Matthew R Marler
November 1, 2014 3:29 pm

Willis Eschenbach, I appreciate your systematic hypothesis-directed search through these data sets. Many thanks.
It remains possible that some data set somewhere, transformed somehow, will display a relationship between sun and Earth, but the posited 11 year cycle in Earth climate measures has not shown up so far. Maybe some day.

Reply to  Matthew R Marler
November 1, 2014 6:12 pm

maybe monkeys will fly . the cycle peak to peak is small. with such a small change in forcing, it would be shocking if it did show up.
Thats why people have to invent supposed amplifications.
the Physics to a first order say the effect will be undetectable.
the belief is that the sun MUST control things
therefore an amplification is posited out of thin air

Toto
Reply to  Steven Mosher
November 2, 2014 12:18 pm

Without amplifications, what are we left with? Milankovitch cycles, Winter-Summer cycles, Day-Night cycles.

Reply to  Steven Mosher
November 2, 2014 12:24 pm

you are left with radative physics.
Change the atmosphere and you change the climate.

November 1, 2014 3:56 pm

It must be a tranquil summer day’s thing
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/CET-JJAvsSSN.gif
Well, most of the time; nothing is for ever.

Andyj
Reply to  vukcevic
November 1, 2014 4:57 pm

Brings the thought from “correlation does not imply causation” but in this case…. Causation does not always imply correlation?

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
November 2, 2014 2:35 am

Hi Willis
Some of us ‘laid to rest’ the climate’s 11 year cycle some time ago, so ‘reviving’ it next day after very late Halloween night, not everything is what it appears to be.
Yes, it is an LP filter of CET’s balmy summer days.
Giving some ‘street cred’ to the distressed climate model designers, by suggesting that the aerosols caused cooling in the 1960s, despite the strongest SSN, and the CO2 warming in the 2000’s despite the SSN going down, can’t do much harm, could it?
California boys like their sun so much, the idea that it may ‘fade’ even a little bit it is just not on.
I enjoy your story telling, do more of it, time is relentlessly moving on, get a book done, might be even some money in it. All the best to you.

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
November 2, 2014 2:47 am

p.s. by the way in the above “not everything is what it appears to be”, it wasn’t 11 year, it wasn’t even 22 year, by Jove (I should say it twice) it was 24 year cycle. While I am at all mighty Jove, next paper in need of a scalpel knife’s attention, just published, is
“Evidence for Planetary Forcing of the Cosmic Ray Intensity and Solar Activity…”
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11207-014-0510-1
K. G. McCracken, J. Beer, F. Steinhilber,
all gone crackers.

November 1, 2014 4:30 pm

Willis you experience matches mine.
I went looking in AIRS because it has cloud cover by pressure level.. low clouds to high clouds..
from 1018 hPa to 22
what did I find?
Nothing
Zip
Nada.
But GCRs.. GCRs.. its the sun I tell you..
Since we are near a solar max, its time for people to make a prediction.
Based on their understanding of the climate what will happen to cloud cover at every pressure level for the next 6 years.
the answer?
crickets. because they have no understanding of the climate

Ben U.
November 1, 2014 4:41 pm

I wish that there were some general way – I mean, at WUWT outside of a post by Willis – to indicate to those who skip Willis’s posts, that he has hit his stride, found his balance, in terms of reducing the ‘arrogance’ etc. of which some have accused him. In fact I’m worried that he’ll eventually over-correct and become too uncolorful.