From the GWPF and Dr. Benny Peiser: New Unilateral CO2 Targets Would ‘Destroy European Industry’ Poland Warns
Climate change scepticism is on the rise in Europe. Governments are not going to back a planned 40 percent cut in carbon emissions by 2030 at a time when the EU is on its knees economically. Poland has promised a veto, threatening a global domino effect. —The Commentator 18 October2014
If the EU summit next week maintains the European Commission’s proposal on reducing carbon dioxide emissions by 40 percent by 2030, Poland will have to veto it, Deputy Prime Minister and Economy Minister Janusz Piechociński told Polish Radio on Thursday. “If this initial proposal will look as it does now, then Poland will have no choice but to veto it,” Piechociński said. “For the Polish economy minister and the majority of EU economy ministers the 40-percent option, which destroys half of Europe’s industry, is unacceptable,” he added. —Warsaw Business Journal, 16 October 2014
Poland’s Economy Minister and Deputy PM Janusz Piechocinski has said that the EU’s proposal on CO2 emissions reduction would “destroy European industry”. “Europe shouldn’t be naïve, and it shouldn’t decide on anything which would be harmful for European industry,” Piechocinski told Polish Radio, Thursday morning. —Polish Radio, 16 October 2014
Poland’s largest opposition party Law and Justice (PiS) says it would support a veto by Prime Minister Kopacz on climate change in Brussels next week if the move harmed the Polish economy. Law and Justice’s unusual solidarity with the government comes after Poland’s deputy prime minister and economy minister Janusz Piechociński confirmed on Thursday that if there is no movement on the EC’s proposal at the summit then “Poland will have no choice but to veto it”. —Radio Poland, 17 October 2014
A week before the start of a Brussels summit on climate goals, member states disagree on various points of the so-called climate and energy policy framework for 2030. In the comments on the draft conclusions member states wrote this week – of which EUobserver has seen 22 – the disagreement appears largest on targets for energy efficiency and on which share of energy consumed in the EU should be from a renewable source in 2030. –Peter Teffer, EUobserver, 17 October 2014
Owen Paterson’s GWPF speech is worth noting by the capital markets as it indicates that the current political consensus on energy policy maybe be challenged going forward. In our view the public and political debate is only likely to grow as the inherent contradictions and unforeseen negative consequences of the current policy become more apparent as time goes on. We have long argued that current EU/UK energy policy is deeply flawed and that utility companies and public market investors should be wary of committing further capital to support and deliver it. Advice which has been increasingly accepted in recent times. After all, an energy policy that has the Hinkley Point C contract and off-shore wind as its two flagship achievements must eventually collapse under the weight of its own idiocy. –Peter Atherton, Liberum, 16 October 2014
HURRAH! At last a senior politician has finally plucked up the courage to tell the truth about the Government’s climate change policies – they are ruinously expensive, they won’t keep the lights on and they are deliberately designed to punish the poor and further enrich the wealthy. What we need is an urgent and radical re-think of our energy needs. The useless Climate Change Act and its entirely arbitrary and damaging targets should be scrapped. The punishment of the poor and subsides for the rich should stop. –Bill Carmichael, Yorkshire Post, 17 October 2014
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I know in the western world I may be in the minority on the question of the Ukraine crisis, but I tell every Ukrainian I hear on the subject of their breaking away from Russia’s grip to either go it alone or go along with Russia – joining the EU would be a suicide pact. They, like Poland have very large coal resources (and gold, base metals, manganese…). They also have substantial frackable shale resources, and, of course, their agricultural resources are huge. The EU would shackle them, fill them up with millions of African, Asia Minor, etc. immigrants, kill their resource industry – particularly shale gas, and give them thousands of regulatory pages on how to grow tomatoes, etc. Hamlet said it best in his most famous soliloquy “To be or not to be…” Better stick with the devil you know than the cadaver enchanting you from the west.
Well, maybe Ukraine, together with other Eastern European countries, could bring some common sense into the EU’s suicidal utopia, and turn the pace of history. Going along with today’s Russia is no option for anybody who values individual freedom, truth, and dignity. To approve of Putin is to approve of murder, it’s as simple as that.
Oh please. This is about shale gas – Ukraine has a shed load of deposits, many of which are in areas being fought over. Highly surprising that the self proclaimed leaders of “free” russian-ukraine have banned any shale gas-related activity including exploration.
Putin has a good thing going with Gazprom and Poland is already a threat to that. They plan to become East Europe’s main gas hub, with their own shale gas and liquified gas coming from the Sauids (if I remember correctly) which would nullify Putin’s unholy influence in the region. No more gas blackmail anymore.
Russia will not let it go easily. The Financial Times already reported on Putin’s funding of the Green NGOs which lobby the EU parliament. The end game is very likely a gas war between Poland and Russia with a stable, shale gas producing Ukriane, most likely partnering with Poland being another threat to Russia.
Add another country to those that understand the “cure” is worse than the non existent problem. The reality of energy deprivation is setting in and will hopefully snowball. It has gone from “of course we’re interested in saving the world” to ‘why do I have to die and do without’ to maintain YOUR lifestyle.
German landscapes are totally disfigured by those dismally ugly wind turbines (many of which stand still, as I observed). I am afraid of these things, they look like H. G. Wells’ Martians, ready to start walking over cities. Fortunately, it will be relatively easy to cut them all down, if and when sanity returns to the Western world.
“Fortunately, it will be relatively easy to cut them all down, if and when sanity returns to the Western world.”
But who pays to do the removals (particularly those off-shore ones.. it will not be cheap!.
Remember that there are tonnes of concrete and steel to be removed, and you can bet the people who put them up will have lined their pockets and scarpered !
Open lignite mines are not so nice in the landscape either. On the whole, nuclear seems a better option.
Look at the landscape w2ith google earth at- Kaster-,west of Cologne/Germany, you won’t believe there have been giantic lignite mines 20 years ago, next to the still producing ones!
@ur momisugly alacran:
Yes, many old open-air mines have been turned into nice parks and lakes, have seen several of them. But during the decades the mines are operating, it is just about the ugliest thing to be seen, and displacing whole villages, like the ones in East Germany. Also, the original landskape form is gone forever.
They won’t be cut down because it will be cheaper for the owners to leave them there where they will at least harvest some subsidy – unless they reckon on huge scrap values. I don;t know, but it seems once the expense has been sunk, the economics dictates keeping them there till they fall down.
>>…if and when sanity returns to the Western world.<<
Wait until the cows come home.
I just watched the Owen Patterson lecture.
That guy should be Prime Minister. Not that moron Cameron.
The Poles started the rollback of communism and they can do the same against policy driven science fraud. The similarities are there with the former regime: stagnant economy, heavy-handed overseers, regional proxy leaders, flimsy dogma, broken promises, and money extraction.
Yep, Poles are the guardians of European common sense and dignity. Cheers to ’em!
Although it is hard for me to understand the nuances of European politics, I think this instance shows some backbone by the Polish government. Makes me proud of my Polish heritage from my mother.
John
yes, but Polish government aren’t in thrall to green NGOs and all the rest. Where is their equivalent of the Guardian, left leaning BBC, FOE, David Attenborough and Brian Cox? Where are their Cleggies and Millibands? Where are their poley huggers and occupiers?
Vince Causey on October 20, 2014 at 8:09 am
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Vince Causey,
I do not know.
John
Poland: Defender of Freedom!
I agree
Frackin’ awesome!
Poland caved!
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/10/24/europe-commits-economic-suicide-agrees-massive-emission-cuts/