“Zombie” of “zombietime” fame writes to tell me that while the climate rallies in New York and London had a “whiff” of Marxism, the rallies in Oakland were not green, but a deep red.
Zombie writes:
My latest report might be of interest to you and/or your readers.
This is all new content, not based on or derived from anyone else’s report. (Several earlier posts about the NYC “climate march” mentioned that the whole affair seemed to have a faint whiff of Marxism — but my report is about the West Coast edition of the same event, which was apparently much more extreme and 100% pure unabashed communist agitation.)
With copious photos and rock-solid evidence, needless to say.
This just confirms James Delingpole’s “watermelons” (green on the outside, red on the inside) thesis. Except now, they’re red on the outside too.
— z
Climate Movement Drops Mask, Admits Communist Agenda
Communists along with a few environmental groups staged a “People’s Climate Rally” in Oakland, California on Sunday, September 21, in conjunction with the larger “People’s Climate March” in New York City on the same day.
Wait — did I say communists? Isn’t that a bit of an exaggeration?
Well…no.
At the New York event, many people noticed that gee, there sure are a lot of communists at this march. But in Oakland — always on the cutting edge — the entire “climate change” movement at last fully, irrevocably and overtly embraced communism as its stated goal. Any concerns about “optics” or operating in “stealth mode” were abandoned.
The “climate change” “crisis” is now nothing but the latest justification for “total revolution” and getting rid of capitalism forever.
Yes, capitalism itself is the problem. The primary message of the People’s Climate Rally was this: Climate change is caused by capitalism, and merely attempting to reform capitalism will not stop global warming; it is impossible to work within the existing system if we want to save the planet. We must replace it with a new social and economic system entirely.
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Below you will find irrefutable proof that communist ideologies, organizations and phraseologies have completely moved to the forefront of the “climate change” movement. (I was originally tempted to say that the communists, as they are wont to do, have merely “co-opted” environmentalism. But that would imply that the goal of global warming scaremongering was something other than “destroying capitalism” in the first place. At this point I now know that destroying capitalism has always been the goal; the only thing that changed on Sunday is that the mask was dropped.)
![IMG_9348[1]](https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/img_93481.jpg?quality=83)
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Full story: http://pjmedia.com/zombie/2014/09/23/climate-movement-drops-mask-admits-communist-agenda/?singlepage=true
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I had the misfortune of clicking on the video link to Leonardo de Caprio’s speech at the UN. It was difficult to count how may errors, misdirections, obfusations and downright lies he managed to get out in the 3 minute clip. The only thing he said that was true was that he is an actor And I think some would say that that is debateable.
There was no “hint” of Marxism” in NY. It was full blown and out for all to see, including sign up stations to join the Communist or Socialist parties. Oh, and these denouncers of Capitalism were selling t-shirts, buttons, and posters to raise money for their cause. You can’t just make this stuff up.
Most of these are banned in Cuba
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In Cuba it is illegal to start your own business. All business is owned and run by the state. The state can never go bankrupt, no matter how bad the service provided. So for example, cars look like they are maintained by their owners. You repaint your car with a paint brush and house paint.
In the Philippines as a contrast, everyone can start a business. Car repair is a big business. Those car repair businesses that are no good, they quickly go bankrupt. The cars in PI are fantastic. Hand crafted chrome and stainless everywhere.
That is the difference between a command economy and a market economy. The command economy makes promises it need not deliver, because there is no alternative. The marget economy quickly weeds out false promises, but can fall prey to monopolies and collusion.
Most countries lie somewhere in between these two extremes.
My head is about to explode from all this “Peoples Climate March” fallout. Even WUWT has kind of gone “off the rails” from it’s usual science articles.
What bothers me here about this interview (which is supposed to be Leo DiCaprio) but is more about Bernie Sanders, is that what Sanders says is the message that most all of these people believe. It is not about the facts of science, they don’t want to hear facts. Sanders speaks for this administration and the MSM and what is happening in our government today. Give it a listen, it’s short:
http://www.pjtv.com/v/10273
Marxism is a memetic plague, and a repeatedly demonstrated cure for over population. Perhaps that is why the CAGW crowd tend to embrace it.
It’s a little ironic when you consider how much further we’d be along in cleaning up the EPIC environmental catastrophes left by Soviet communism if we hadn’t been spending tens of billions of dollars on the AGW non-problem.
@M Courtney 6:52 am
Socialism does not mean communism.
Red herring, strawman, and ad hominen.
Few, if any, people here think these are the same.
Do you deny that they are neighbors?
Perhaps you would like to enumerate the differences?
There are differences. But not many and mostly by degree.
Indeed, thinking about it as a Venn Diagram.
While there is Socialism that is not Communism,
Is there Communism that isn’t Socialism?
Yo,
Zombie,
Ya me, the t, f, k, one.
Let me help those herein.
All you have to do is look at William Ayers, understand the anti war commie types of the late 1960’s, understand Kerry is a made blade of the red commie knife in the back, know that the Clintons are more of the same and Obama is just the useful dark skinned Alins-key to the door of the tresuary and the undoing of the Armed Forces. They are the front line of the attempted take over and last trashing of the Constitution.
As you know the GreenPeace commies threw me out and told me they would use the final solution on me back in the 1970’s. So they have had time to breed a much worse gene pool of crazy poorly educated ground troops.
They as you and I know will force a fight in the streets and in the elected offices and will use the instruments of the Goverment to include the Armed Forces aginst U.S. and any one who tells the truth and will stand the ground.
Other than that, I do some odd things down on the Mexican/Texas border and send the film to U.S. Senators so that we can say later,,, yes they did know.
Later “Z”
Chunky say you crazy sockey stalker,,,,,,
Perfect. Because we all know how environmentally conscious the former U.S.S.R now Russia and China are. The insanity is stunning. Remember people nobody has done more for the planet than communists.
Beyond words really.
As has been noted, green on the outside is generally red on the inside, like watermelons.
I’m surprised nobody has mentioned Naomi Klein’s newest book,
“This Changes Everything: Capitalism vs the Climate”.
It’s a manifesto for the upcoming Eco-socialist.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2/180-4558565-1600448?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=This%20Changes%20Everything%3A%20Capitalism%20vs%20the%20Climate
Hey, this was Oakland, not San Francisco!
The dirtiest environments in the world, for the last 50 or 60 years, can be found in communist countries.
So the claim that these guys care about the environment is laughable.
Not only that, in the so-called “capitalist” countries, the worst polluters are usually government operations. Sovereign immunity means they don’t have to worry about killer lawsuits.
Because the cleanest places to live are all communist countries?
Certainly the darkest places to live ….
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Mpd1ozuoa64/S61MLIMmt5I/AAAAAAAAB14/Ua1NZAuMm74/s1600/N+v+S+Korea.jpg
See: Earth Hour in North Korea a stunning success (WUWT 3/27/2010)
In today’s Financial Post…
Obama (fortunately not) Almighty
Like Marxism, climatism has no positive vision other than that it is preferable to a projected world of misery and chaos
http://business.financialpost.com/2014/09/23/peter-foster-obama-fortunately-not-almighty/
The Aral sea (now defunct), the Aswan dam, and the disruption of the lower Nile eco-system, the massive impacts of Eastern European pollution under Soviet rule. Massive pollution of China.
Scratch a lefty and under the skin you find a hateful misanthrope
In answer to critics of this post who try to minimize the idea that there is a connection between Socialism, in its various guises and the totalitarianism which inevitably follows, here’s a thought from the leader of the National Socialist Worker’s Party- (paraphrased) ‘We don’t have to make the people all Socialists, we just have to make the government Socialist’.
That sentiment perfectly expresses what we have been seeing from the current US administration, via all of its bureaucratic tools, such as the EPA.
We all knew there are far left loony types out there (Marxists, commies, etc), but the fact that McKibbenities had to resort to soliciting help from them to make the march look “populist” is telling of their desperation.
“Brown & Green want us to “Decolonize the Climate,” which shows what can happen to your brain on academia.”
I first heard this line in the late eighties, from a tenured professor of philosophy no less. Her take was the very elemental “men colonize women.” Get it? How profound can one be?
Brilliant work as always, Zombie. People should be lining up to give you grants.
Of course, it’s these watermelon’s dreams to work as little as possible and reap just as much of the benefits from society as people that do work hard.
I’m using Delingpole’s brilliant ‘Watermelons’ as a subtle insult!:] Green on the outside, red on the inside and oh so messy if you smash them like a pinata with the skeptical truth!:]
More generally, Marxism, a religion based on coercion, which principally benefits a ruling minority (e.g. feudalism).
Oh, the end of the world is nigh! Frankly, I think the dodo (evolutionary dysfunction through abortion, etc.) scenario is more likely.
How interesting: When progressive scientists misbehave, it is a “religion.”
When Marxists misbehave, it is a “religion.”
When atheists misbehave, it is a “religion.”
When the State insists on using science to assume control, it is a “religion.”
Do you all think you might have a problem acknowledging the results of scientific paradigms, atheism, and the actions of deadly, centralized governments? Is this some kind of alchemy, in which all misbehavior is reinvented into “religion?”
What is a highly-descriptive word blind, unquestioning belief in an ideology?
Another thought — perhaps his comment was using a metaphor?
Hi solent green. No that is not a metaphor.
Let’s use a concrete example. Peter Hitchens writes of his renowned brother: “My brother Christopher suggests that Joseph Stalin’s Soviet Union was in fact a religious state. The specifically anti-religious character of the Soviet system under Stalin makes such a claim nonsensical.”
Do you agree? Should he be able to switch definitions like that?
I am just suggesting that every one should be more honest about the results of scientific paradigm shifts, and of very humanistic and atheistic systems. I really think the discussion will all be improved for it.
Well, if you believe that Man was created (however that came about) as a physical, living creature that also is endowed with a deep internal desire to connect to God in a spiritual (i.e, not in any dimension in the physical universe) manner, then we all have a religious aspect to us. It simply comes out of us in different ways. In my opinion, some (not all) of atheists ARE deeply religious, it just comes out in different ways. In my mind, the more angry an atheist is (Hitchens, for example) the more likely they really do, deep down inside, believe in God and basically hate him (for whatever reasons) , but, realizing that hating God is absurd, they attempt to bury Him by continually trying to convince themselves He does not exist. If God really does not exist, why all the nastiness, and venom? Makes no sense.
Science and religion are both enormously important. Religion is here to answer the questions that science cannot – such as, what is the actual value of you or me – like, how many chickens are we worth? How many pigs?
Both science and religion can be abused and misused . Science has been of enormous benefit to mankind, but science goes off the rails when it tries to do more than describe and quantify the physical universe God has created, for mankind’s benefit, and subsequently tries (demands!) to get into the moral arena.
CAGW is misanthropic at the very core and therefore fundamentally evil.
I am 100% for Capatilism, whats not to like in earning your keep by your merit and effort. Unfortunately the current system functions as crony capitalism, a diseased cousin of Capitalism.
Even so, socialism is not the answer, it is like fixing a barain tumor with a bazooka.
“We must replace it with a new social and economic system entirely.”
— Obviously, communism is just what the doctor ordered. By implementing a messed up economic system unable to provide for the material well-being of people, there will be a massive economic contraction, widespread starvation, and reduced birth rates. All that suffering is sure to reduce carbon emissions.
China is no longer communist, more like fascism/crony capitalism. Russia is probably more of a free market than the US, assuming you have enough firepower to protect your gains and bribe the right people. The US is more refined in it’s crony capitalism requiring the reporting of the bribes as campaign contributions. Lots more paperwork. In the end, though, in all systems, money runs the world and all forms of government bow to it.