The 'Black Tuesday' of Climate Science

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September 28, 2014 4:20 am

richardscourtney September 28, 2014 at 1:51 am
Phil.
You say
When you come across someone like courtney who abuses people who disagrees with him and attempts to shout them down with out bringing anything factual to the discussion, you do wonder as to motivation.
That is absolutely untrue.

I’ll leave that to the readers.
And you provide this behaviour in support of ‘environmental’ issues related to your academic employment. Your asserting doubt to my motivation is a clear attempt to deflect from your clear motivation which is support of your employment.
You’ve been told before that that’s not true, kindly desist from repeating it.

Reply to  Phil.
September 28, 2014 5:55 am

Phil.
Your record demonstrates your veracity.
If I believed a word you wrote then I would “desist” from repeating what you deny but refuse to ‘correct’ by saying who and what you are.
Richard

Pamela Gray
September 28, 2014 8:57 am

Did I read this right? Non-50 year smoothed annual observations were tacked onto proxy reconstructions that had a 50-year smoothing algorithm applied? That is like saying up to this point we have grossly approximate apple data, but after this point we have detailed orange data, however we are going to call the whole thing fruit and leave off the apples and oranges labels.

Reply to  Pamela Gray
September 28, 2014 11:12 am

Pamela Gray:
Please be assured that you did “read this right”.
I again provide the link I provided for “Steve” earlier in this thread. It is an explanation of the matter by our host.
Richard

Reply to  richardscourtney
September 28, 2014 11:17 am

PS I objected to “tacked on” within a week of the publication of MBH98. Michael Man was informed of that and I learned of his response in a ‘Climategate’ email from him. That matter was discussed here.
Richard

Reply to  richardscourtney
September 28, 2014 11:19 am
Pamela Gray
September 28, 2014 9:30 am

Further discussion on the differences between 50 year smoothed proxy data, observations, and obvious differences between non-treering and treering proxy data sets.
Trees do indeed generally reflect climate changes but may not do so in the same way other proxy entities do. In fact, until we know the true sensitivities of proxy entities to absolute and relative temperature change, the best we can hope for is to find signals of trends, not the absolute temperature measurements that make up those trends. Further, trees may be more sensitive to decreasing trends than they are to increasing trends, depending on the species. Frost warnings related to plants are provided far more frequently than heat warnings are. Why? Heat stress is not nearly so damaging to plants as is frost stress. Leading me to suggest that warm temperatures may be diminished in tree rings (they just don’t seem to be overly sensitive to warming trends) as opposed to cold temperatures, which may even be exaggerated in the tree ring.
One thing for sure is known. Proxies without tacked on observations don’t show anything unusual about the current warm spell, and if anything, are flat relative to the instrumental readings.
http://www.image.ucar.edu/~nychka/manuscripts/JASALiPaleo.pdf

Pamela Gray
Reply to  Pamela Gray
September 28, 2014 10:20 am

oops. Don’t know how that model paper got pasted in there. I thought I was pasting in a link to another paper. And now I can’t locate it. bummer

September 29, 2014 11:54 am

richardscourtney September 29, 2014 at 8:47 am
PS Phil, your veracity is again displayed. It is a falsehood that was given a time-out because I “continued to object to McIntyre’s criticism of [my] posts”.

It certainly wasn’t because of your pleasant demeanor.
Again, thanks for the publicity.
I don’t think that behavior is something you’d want publicized