Status report on changes to WUWT, with user poll

changeAs readers know, I announced changes to WUWT’s format last Sunday, and the changes went into effect overnight from Sunday night to Monday morning. As is the case with any change, there will be some issues, some people won’t like it simply because it is change, and some will embrace it.  Below I’ll address the improvements and the things remaining to be fixed.

My goal was to bring WUWT into a more modern realm and address these issues:

  1. Scroll off – stories often disappeared down the page too quickly and didn’t get seen
  2. Style – WUWT still looked like a blog rather than the most read resource it has become
  3. Readability – The way it was presented didn’t lend itself to readability as well as it should
  4. Mobile compatibility – the mobile theme we used to have was terrible, we needed to make the experience better for tablet users and phone users
  5. Comment filtering – was problematic, too many comments were being held that shouldn’t be, some comments that should be held for inspection haven’t been
  6. Comment reading – there was a lot of room for improvement
  7. Comment SPAM – moderators were getting overwhelmed

What we’ve done and learned:


 

1. Scroll off – stories often disappeared down the page too quickly and didn’t get seen The new Expound theme format of providing “capsules” on the main page seems to have solved this nicely. I can report we are getting a consistent 40-50% increase in daily page views, which means more people are reading stories than they were before. I call that success. Also, the new format provides for “infinite scroll” on the main page, making it easier to find older stories. Just keep scrolling down.

2. Style – WUWT still looked like a blog rather than the most read resource it has become  – Besides the new theme format making WUWT more professionally styled from the get-go, I’ve spent since Sunday night making CSS tweaks to all sorts of visual style parameters, many of which were brought up in the previous thread. I could not have done this without the help of WUWT reader Jim Reekes, who offered help in that original thread. At this point, I think most of the major style, color, and formatting issues have been addressed. However, there may be some that can still be improved upon. I’ve tried to accomodate many requests, but I can’t please everyone. What we have now is what I consider the best strategy based on user input.

3. Readability – The way it was presented didn’t lend itself to readability as well as it should – Font size tweaks and color tweaks have made WUWT more readable, IMHO. Jim has helped be put the fonts into “em” mode in CSS, which helps them scale much better to various venues. Your mileage may vary. Bear in mind that for those who have font size issues, the zoom control of your browser using the CTRL and +  or CTRL and – key combinations is your best friend. BTW CTRL and 0 (zero) resets your zoom. Pressing CTRL and the scroll wheel on your mouse does the same thing,

4. Mobile compatibility – the mobile theme we used to have was terrible, we needed to make the experience better for tablet users and phone users–  From what I’ve seen myself on my own set of mobile devices, and the reports I’m getting from users, the new mobile device compatible theme is a win all around.

5. Comment filtering – was problematic, too many comments were being held that shouldn’t be, some comments that should be held for inspection haven’t been – I’ve spent several hours tweaking this, with the most recent change made this morning that caught a problem that caused a lot of comments to be held when they were not supposed to be. We’ll see how the new setup goes. For those suddenly have a comment in moderation that think that their comment is being held on purpose, bear in mind that this is algorithm and keyword based, and never perfect. Don’t take it personally. Some people who have been problematic, such as doing thread bombing with off-topic posts or otherwise making nuisances of themselves may still be held for moderation.

As before, if you need attention, leave a new comment with the full word “moderator” in it. Comments that use my name are also held, so that I see them in the firehose of comments we get daily.

6. Comment reading – there was a lot of room for improvement I think we’ve got this one sorted out. Early versions of the theme for comments weren’t very good, but I think we have a good balance of size, color and style now. Many people have reported they like the new 3D offset for blockquoted text. Thank Jim Reekes for that one.

In the past, we’ve had a lot of requests for threaded comments, and I tried it a couple of times, but didn’t like the way it flowed. Some readers didn’t either. Now, I’ve enabled threaded/nested comments again, and I think it works better with the new format. Both Climate Audit and Judith Curry’s sites use threaded comments, and while “me too” isn’t a reason, being able to reply to people directly below or to make a correction update directly below your own comments is.

As it stands now, pressing the small blue “Reply” link below a comment will pop up the comment form right there in place, no more scrolling to the bottom to post comments, though you can still do that.

TonyB writes on the original change thread:

I’ll give the ‘reply’ facility a go. Not sure how we will notice comments that are inserted days after the event. On the whole I prefer the linear format of WUWT over the nesting format of Climate Etc but let’s give it a fair chance.

If you want, you can be notified of new comments via email, simply by checking the box on the comment submission form where I highlighted in yellow:

WUWT_commentform

Some people don’t like threaded comments, and I get that. But let’s see how it goes with the new format. Some people worried that nested comments would allow “last word” derogatory comments to happen months later. That’s rubbish, we have tool in place to prevent such things from happening, though I’m not going to give details to what they are. Basically, we don’t have the problem now with regular linear comments, nested comments won’t make this non-problem worse.

NOTE: You can test comments before posting them on the WUWT “test” page.  Get them right by trial/error, then copy/paste them where you want them to be. There’s also help there too for making italics, bolds, blockquote, and other codes.

One thing you can do right now is to insert images, simply by putting in the image URL in the form http://someserver.com/images/graphic.jpg (.gif and .png files are also supported)  WordPress will automatically format and display the image in comments.

7. Comment SPAM – moderators were getting overwhelmed – I think we have this under control now, though spammers are always trying new things.


 

 Things that remain to be addressed:


1. There are a couple of missing elements, such as comment count, and “leave a comment” on main page entries  – I had hoped this was available to tweak in CSS; sadly, no. This feature is actually missing from the Expound theme. WordPress has a bug report into the developer, so we’ll see how that goes. Unless the developer fixes the theme, I can’t address this feature unless I move WUWT off of wordpress.com and onto private hosting. WordPress.com doesn’t allow us to tweak PHP code for security reasons.

For now, comment counts appear on the top of the story itself after you click to see it in full. In the meantime, for those that want to see which posts are getting the most traffic, can view the Top Posts & Pages on the right sidebar.

2. Navigation buttons within posts – some people lamented that the previous/next story buttons have disappeared – they haven’t! They simply moved. See screencap below. They are at the bottom of the story. Like with the comment count issue, I can’t move them unless I move my entire blog.

WUWT_story-navs1

3. Comment editing – a feature to allow editing of ones comments for a few minutes after posting – this is my most requested feature over the years, and wordpress.com has steadfastly refused to provide this feature even though I continually ask for it.  Again, I can’t implement this unless I move off wordpress.com or pay their $500/month “Enterprise” service…which I tried last year, and was a disaster in my view. It wasn’t worth the money and the comment editor they provided was lame.


 

And there may be others that need attention that have gotten lost in the shuffle, or haven’t been noticed yet.

While I can’t promise we can handle all requests, we’ll at least try.

Finally, I’d like your opinion on the changes in this poll.

 

 

Thanks to everyone for your patience through this upgrade, and thanks for being part of the WUWT community.

I’ll have another major announcement coming next week, a big one that will allow our community to make a difference in what Michael Mann calls “The Climate Wars” Stay tuned.

UPDATE:

Readers may recall in the original thread that I made quite a stink about the new WordPress “beep boop” editor, and even wrote a full post about why I thought it was a stunning failure. WordPress seemed oblivious, but I and many others continued to bombard them with emails, posts, phone calls, and anything we could do to tell them how bad this change was.

Today, all of the sudden, things were back to normal, and this appeared above the editor page:

wp-editor-posting experience

That “new and improved posting experience” aka the “beep boop” editor, is corp-speak for “we took this turkey out back and shot it in the head”.

Two thoughts:

1. Users win. Lesson to WordPress – trust your users.

2. Thank you WordPress for finally seeing the light.

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dmacleo
August 28, 2014 5:55 am

I have bad eyes and the fonts are EASY for me to read, and while not a huge fan of nested comments I feel you have struck a good balance.
you cannot please everyone, best you can do is only upset 50% of them.
IMO you got it right here.

NZ Willy
Reply to  Anthony Watts
August 28, 2014 7:33 am

The problem is that CTRL +/- adjusts the display size but the page width shrinks or grows and the sentences don’t re-wrap. So when reducing the display size I get empty space at left & right. On other sites, when you use CTRL +/-, the page width continues to fil the screen and the sentences re-wrap to give more text on screen — which is how html is designed to work.

climatereason
Editor
Reply to  NZ Willy
August 28, 2014 9:12 am

Its called ‘white space’ and in most publications its considered classy. The more cluttered a publication or web site, the more downmarket it generally feels.
tonyb

Tom O
Reply to  Anthony Watts
August 28, 2014 7:34 am

I agree, Anthony, it IS easier to complain. I’d rather the content, too, so do what you got to do.

rogerknights
Reply to  Anthony Watts
August 28, 2014 9:51 am

“I’m limited to about three dozen that have been preselected for me.You can see them in this image, with fonts I can choose on the right.”
I see a list that shows fonts beginning with the letters A-F. I couldn’t scroll it down to see if Georgia is available. I read one book that recommended using it in place of Times New Roman on account of its better readability and its equal pervasiveness. It’s what I use in my Word documents.

Espen
August 28, 2014 7:23 am

What I like: The new front page – well done!
What I don’t like: The choice of fonts
What I’m not sure of: Whether the mobile site really is any better

Tom O
August 28, 2014 7:32 am

I like the threaded posts concept. I sometimes enjoy looking at comments made as replies to what I consider a dumb post – many of Mosher’s come to mind. It is better to have all the bricks lined up than scattered throughout the comments. Thanks again.

Dave Etchells
August 28, 2014 7:53 am

tl;dr, so apologies if this has already been said. I like the new design a lot, and am happy many issues have been addressed, but find the body text rather hard to read. It could just be my old eyes & declining mental powers, but I think slightly more leading (vertical space) between lines would help a great deal.
BTW, I don’t know if I’ve ever said it explicitly, but thank you *SO* much for the time, effort, and dedication you (and all your volunteers) put into this site. It’s truly a unique and incredibly valuable resource, globally important, and I think having a global effect. Thanks again.

Steve P
August 28, 2014 8:30 am

In my comment above, August 27, 2014 at 4:33 pm, I used the term column width when I should have written line length, i.e; the number of characters per line, or CPL.
Typographic style guides usually recommend about 60 cpl for best legibility. In its current incarnation, WUWT comments reach to over 80 cpl, while the Leave a Reply input box runs to over 100 cpl.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characters_per_line
I also used the word font where I should have used typeface. As typographers, graphic artists, and a few pedants know, a font is a subset of a typeface. Helvetica is a typeface, while Helvetica 14 point bold is a font.
I prefer Helvetica for legibility. It is easier on the eyes than Times Roman, or most other serif typefaces.
I also, correctly, used the graphic arts’ term Horsey to describe the appearance of the blockquotes, which are in a different typeface from the body text, and are both bolder, and larger; hence, horsey.
I suggest that blockquotes should use the italic font of the body text typeface, in the same point size.
Another dimension in typesetting is leading or the space between successive lines of type. This morning, the comment text appears much denser, as if the leading has been reduced significantly. Too dense, imo. Main article leading looks fine.
In looking to grab the date & time of my earlier post, I was startled to see many new comments littered throughout the comment thread, and I can see it will be a chore to scroll through the entire thread again to read the latest comments/replies.
Even with the linear format, disputes have arisen about what was said, read, or understood, which are a function of human nature, and not of WUWT’s format. The nested comments will only add to the babble, I fear.
And to echo what others have said, above: it is the content here that is the most important thing. Where the host gets the energy to fiddle with the CSS is beyond me, but obviously, there are some savvy hands in the wheelhouse, and many contented readers here.

rogerknights
Reply to  Steve P
August 28, 2014 9:55 am

“I suggest that blockquotes should use the italic font of the body text typeface, in the same point size.”
I agree.

August 28, 2014 8:45 am

I like the new changes though I will have to see how the threaded comments evolves.
For myself, I find the threaded comments at Judith Curry’s site very difficult to read as there are always 20 similtaneous discussions going on without any quick visual way to scan and separate them. I always read comments at WUWT and almost never at Judy’s. Just my two cents.

climatereason
Editor
Reply to  daviditron
August 28, 2014 9:14 am

davidtron
I agree with your comments about nesting, but at Climate Etc its easier to follow as generally there is a single article that is debated for several days. The likely problem here is that you have 20 simultaneous discussions in 5 or 6 threads that become impossible to follow due to the sheer number of articles presented each day..
tonyb

michael hart
August 28, 2014 8:57 am

I think one of the problems with Judith’s site is that the nesting encourages trolls and people who love the sight of their own comments without having to read down through other, possibly relevant, replies first.
I don’t think WUWT suffers from that problem significantly, but we’ll see how it goes.

climatereason
Editor
Reply to  michael hart
August 28, 2014 9:09 am

Michael
I think that is an insightful comment, but having said that very many people here are guilty of not reading more than the first few comments-particularly in a long thread-before scrolling to the bottom and voicing their opinion.
tonyb

Reply to  climatereason
August 28, 2014 9:45 am

I’m guilty of that at times. But sometimes I’d scroll down because I’d have to in order to “reply” to an earlier comment. I’d go back sometimes and find that someone else had already said the same thing.
That less likely to happen with this new format. +1 for nested comments.

ttfn
August 28, 2014 9:14 am

Very nice look. I like most everything but the nesting of comments. I have no problem with the concept, just wordpress’s implementation; eg no sorting of active threads, too much indent causing web masters to limit depth to a couple levels meaning you’re back to where you started after a reply to a reply except now you’re reading down more than left to right. You may as well give stokes’ comments their own page. I think you should wait till they fix it, but I’ll live with whatever you decide. Thanks for all you do.

Alan Robertson
August 28, 2014 9:35 am

To our gracious host:
Thank you so much for everything you have done with WUWT.
Your efforts have a huge impact in many areas, not just science, education and politics.
Truth will set us free.
Your work benefits all of mankind.

August 28, 2014 9:44 am

Alan perfectly expressed my thoughts. Thanks for everything, Anthony.

Zeke
August 28, 2014 10:02 am

The WUWT top graphic used to have a small list of general items and topics which the blog addressed. How did it go?
“Commentary on puzzling things in life, nature, science, weather, climate change, technology, and recent events by AW.”
Has there been any change in the topics and goals of the site, or is this description just tucked in somewhere else?

Zeke
Reply to  Zeke
August 30, 2014 2:01 pm

“Commentary on puzzling things in life, nature, science, weather, climate change, technology, and recent events by AW.”

Okay, “Curious things” are still on the menu.
Curious things
Mystery of the sailing stones of Death Valley solved – ‘climate change’ immediately blamed for no good reason
That’s good.

greymouser70
August 28, 2014 10:29 am

Anthony: I’m not sure if it’s a browser issue or not, but from the home page I only see eleven (11) stories and then the rest of the scroll down is blank except for the side bar. Can you check this? Thanks

dmacleo
Reply to  greymouser70
August 28, 2014 10:50 am

refresh page, what should happen as you scroll down into that white space the older articles appear. they do not preload, its a progressive page load setup from the looks of it.
I see a lot of articles.
now internet explorer has been known to have issues with it especially IE8 but IE10 and up should be ok.

Zeke
Reply to  dmacleo
August 28, 2014 7:11 pm

And look, you can change the page in the address bar…
http://wattsupwiththat.com/page/1000/
I picked page one thousand and got this story from 2011, with the Wivenhoe Dam scandal. Ah I have only to scroll down and look at this or that, to flood my soul with memories…
Model trumps observation – dam operator caught in fabrication
From Operator of dam ‘invented’ rain data Hedley Thomas, National chief correspondent March 26, 2011 12:00AM EXTREME rainfall so rare it happens on average once every 2000 years has been “invented” by the government operator of a major Queensland dam as part of its explanation for releasing huge volumes of water that caused most of…

Gilbert K.. Arnold
Reply to  dmacleo
August 29, 2014 7:36 am

Even after refreshing the page, it still doesn’t work. It seems to work fine in IE. But I use Firefox almost exclusively unless some site absolutely refuses to work in Firefox.

Zeke
Reply to  greymouser70
August 28, 2014 11:40 am

Infinite Scroll takes a while to populate, as dmacleo said.
I took around two minutes to get to May of 2014. You will notice in the address bar that these are pages:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/page/95/

August 28, 2014 11:17 am

I’m perfectly happy with the changes. Thank you!
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Greg R
August 28, 2014 11:23 am

“Infinite scroll” on the main page is nice. Could you use the same approach on individual articles, so that comments get downloaded just in time? You would need to move this “Leave a reply” stuff up to the top of comments. But it could spare weak connections a lot of wasted download.

carlbrannen
August 28, 2014 11:37 am

I only catch up perhaps every week or two. It’s hard to remember which articles I’ve read and which I’ve not, given that a lot of it gets repeated in other venues, but abbreviated. So I use the change in color of the “read more” link to tell me when I’ve caught up. But now that doesn’t work.
Ideal would be to let me know that I’ve explored an article before by changing the color of the title.

David A. Evans
Reply to  carlbrannen
August 28, 2014 1:48 pm

I liked that too!
DaveE.

Doc Tor
August 28, 2014 12:05 pm

Have only tried the new format on my iPad so far. Greatly improved readability. Thanks!

David A. Evans
August 28, 2014 1:46 pm

Hate it!
It’s even slower than Farcebook now and I thought that was pedestrian!
DaveE.

Steve P
Reply to  David A. Evans
August 28, 2014 2:02 pm

You may be right about F-book, but pedestrian does not mean slow; it means dull or uninspired.

Captain Dave
August 28, 2014 2:26 pm

moderator or webmaster
Minor currency issue – under Humor/Satire, Daily Bayonet is listed. That site has not had any new content added for over two years.

johanna
August 28, 2014 5:16 pm

I see that as per my request way above, the authors’ names are now included in the lead-in to articles on the homepage. No name means it’s an AW piece.
Thanks!

jarthuroriginal
August 28, 2014 6:22 pm

Really improves the readability.

Ben
August 28, 2014 8:39 pm

Anthony – Still reviewing your changes. The first impression is that you’ve made some outstanding decisions, to make the site appear more professional. Plus as you’ve mentioned, it should improve the efficiency for your mods’ control of spam. ‘Tis a good thing.
One thing you might want to review is the WUWT logo at the top of the page. The new overall header look is fine. It’s a matter of personal choice, to some extent. However, if you can, would like to see you adjust the fade characteristic of the letters WUWT, so that they don’t go to black, where the top edges of the letters are not very visible. Hopefully that point is written so you understand the point I’m trying to make.
Given the choice, would much rather see the full letters without the fade. Or, create a decreased vertical fade, such that the full letters are clearly visible. This is your primary logo for the public. Be proud of it and allow it to be fully seen. Nothing wrong with some kind of fade, but it looks like the top of the letters are being lost in a shadow at the top of the screen… or some such thing.
Your mileage may vary. However, I think the site will look more professional, if you allow the WUWT letters to be more clearly and boldly seen on your page.
Congratulations on your outstanding site. The data, studies and articles you have provided have an enormous reach, as individuals share what they’ve learned. Well done sir!

Werner Brozek
August 28, 2014 9:09 pm

Everything is great in my opinion except for the nesting. I agree with other people who do not like it. However I just had a slightly different experience on another thread. It now has 340 comments so I did not count how many times “SonicsGuy” responded. At any rate, I responded to a criticism he had of me at 9:05 AM. After a number of comments down, he again repeated his criticism of me at 9:39 AM and it was obvious he did not read my earlier nested reply. However with all of his dozens of posts in my estimation, he would have had to read potential replies to all previous posts to see if any were answered before posting something new. But without nesting, he just has to go to his last read post before resuming it.
For me, I had to take the time to check both of my entries and the latest one to keep updated. Of course it is no big deal to check on two entries, but if I had ten entries on ten different posts, that would be 100 clicks instead of 10 when resuming my WUWT reading. And I still could miss something interesting on a different reply where I had no input.

August 28, 2014 9:36 pm

I agree with Werner’s comments. Everything is excellent, except for the nesting replies. The old way was better.

Robert in Calgary
August 29, 2014 6:23 am

I truly hate nesting. If it stays, I’ll have to make a radical change and only come here once or twice on the weekend.
Nesting ruins my enjoyment of WUWT.