Status report on changes to WUWT, with user poll

changeAs readers know, I announced changes to WUWT’s format last Sunday, and the changes went into effect overnight from Sunday night to Monday morning. As is the case with any change, there will be some issues, some people won’t like it simply because it is change, and some will embrace it.  Below I’ll address the improvements and the things remaining to be fixed.

My goal was to bring WUWT into a more modern realm and address these issues:

  1. Scroll off – stories often disappeared down the page too quickly and didn’t get seen
  2. Style – WUWT still looked like a blog rather than the most read resource it has become
  3. Readability – The way it was presented didn’t lend itself to readability as well as it should
  4. Mobile compatibility – the mobile theme we used to have was terrible, we needed to make the experience better for tablet users and phone users
  5. Comment filtering – was problematic, too many comments were being held that shouldn’t be, some comments that should be held for inspection haven’t been
  6. Comment reading – there was a lot of room for improvement
  7. Comment SPAM – moderators were getting overwhelmed

What we’ve done and learned:


 

1. Scroll off – stories often disappeared down the page too quickly and didn’t get seen The new Expound theme format of providing “capsules” on the main page seems to have solved this nicely. I can report we are getting a consistent 40-50% increase in daily page views, which means more people are reading stories than they were before. I call that success. Also, the new format provides for “infinite scroll” on the main page, making it easier to find older stories. Just keep scrolling down.

2. Style – WUWT still looked like a blog rather than the most read resource it has become  – Besides the new theme format making WUWT more professionally styled from the get-go, I’ve spent since Sunday night making CSS tweaks to all sorts of visual style parameters, many of which were brought up in the previous thread. I could not have done this without the help of WUWT reader Jim Reekes, who offered help in that original thread. At this point, I think most of the major style, color, and formatting issues have been addressed. However, there may be some that can still be improved upon. I’ve tried to accomodate many requests, but I can’t please everyone. What we have now is what I consider the best strategy based on user input.

3. Readability – The way it was presented didn’t lend itself to readability as well as it should – Font size tweaks and color tweaks have made WUWT more readable, IMHO. Jim has helped be put the fonts into “em” mode in CSS, which helps them scale much better to various venues. Your mileage may vary. Bear in mind that for those who have font size issues, the zoom control of your browser using the CTRL and +  or CTRL and – key combinations is your best friend. BTW CTRL and 0 (zero) resets your zoom. Pressing CTRL and the scroll wheel on your mouse does the same thing,

4. Mobile compatibility – the mobile theme we used to have was terrible, we needed to make the experience better for tablet users and phone users–  From what I’ve seen myself on my own set of mobile devices, and the reports I’m getting from users, the new mobile device compatible theme is a win all around.

5. Comment filtering – was problematic, too many comments were being held that shouldn’t be, some comments that should be held for inspection haven’t been – I’ve spent several hours tweaking this, with the most recent change made this morning that caught a problem that caused a lot of comments to be held when they were not supposed to be. We’ll see how the new setup goes. For those suddenly have a comment in moderation that think that their comment is being held on purpose, bear in mind that this is algorithm and keyword based, and never perfect. Don’t take it personally. Some people who have been problematic, such as doing thread bombing with off-topic posts or otherwise making nuisances of themselves may still be held for moderation.

As before, if you need attention, leave a new comment with the full word “moderator” in it. Comments that use my name are also held, so that I see them in the firehose of comments we get daily.

6. Comment reading – there was a lot of room for improvement I think we’ve got this one sorted out. Early versions of the theme for comments weren’t very good, but I think we have a good balance of size, color and style now. Many people have reported they like the new 3D offset for blockquoted text. Thank Jim Reekes for that one.

In the past, we’ve had a lot of requests for threaded comments, and I tried it a couple of times, but didn’t like the way it flowed. Some readers didn’t either. Now, I’ve enabled threaded/nested comments again, and I think it works better with the new format. Both Climate Audit and Judith Curry’s sites use threaded comments, and while “me too” isn’t a reason, being able to reply to people directly below or to make a correction update directly below your own comments is.

As it stands now, pressing the small blue “Reply” link below a comment will pop up the comment form right there in place, no more scrolling to the bottom to post comments, though you can still do that.

TonyB writes on the original change thread:

I’ll give the ‘reply’ facility a go. Not sure how we will notice comments that are inserted days after the event. On the whole I prefer the linear format of WUWT over the nesting format of Climate Etc but let’s give it a fair chance.

If you want, you can be notified of new comments via email, simply by checking the box on the comment submission form where I highlighted in yellow:

WUWT_commentform

Some people don’t like threaded comments, and I get that. But let’s see how it goes with the new format. Some people worried that nested comments would allow “last word” derogatory comments to happen months later. That’s rubbish, we have tool in place to prevent such things from happening, though I’m not going to give details to what they are. Basically, we don’t have the problem now with regular linear comments, nested comments won’t make this non-problem worse.

NOTE: You can test comments before posting them on the WUWT “test” page.  Get them right by trial/error, then copy/paste them where you want them to be. There’s also help there too for making italics, bolds, blockquote, and other codes.

One thing you can do right now is to insert images, simply by putting in the image URL in the form http://someserver.com/images/graphic.jpg (.gif and .png files are also supported)  WordPress will automatically format and display the image in comments.

7. Comment SPAM – moderators were getting overwhelmed – I think we have this under control now, though spammers are always trying new things.


 

 Things that remain to be addressed:


1. There are a couple of missing elements, such as comment count, and “leave a comment” on main page entries  – I had hoped this was available to tweak in CSS; sadly, no. This feature is actually missing from the Expound theme. WordPress has a bug report into the developer, so we’ll see how that goes. Unless the developer fixes the theme, I can’t address this feature unless I move WUWT off of wordpress.com and onto private hosting. WordPress.com doesn’t allow us to tweak PHP code for security reasons.

For now, comment counts appear on the top of the story itself after you click to see it in full. In the meantime, for those that want to see which posts are getting the most traffic, can view the Top Posts & Pages on the right sidebar.

2. Navigation buttons within posts – some people lamented that the previous/next story buttons have disappeared – they haven’t! They simply moved. See screencap below. They are at the bottom of the story. Like with the comment count issue, I can’t move them unless I move my entire blog.

WUWT_story-navs1

3. Comment editing – a feature to allow editing of ones comments for a few minutes after posting – this is my most requested feature over the years, and wordpress.com has steadfastly refused to provide this feature even though I continually ask for it.  Again, I can’t implement this unless I move off wordpress.com or pay their $500/month “Enterprise” service…which I tried last year, and was a disaster in my view. It wasn’t worth the money and the comment editor they provided was lame.


 

And there may be others that need attention that have gotten lost in the shuffle, or haven’t been noticed yet.

While I can’t promise we can handle all requests, we’ll at least try.

Finally, I’d like your opinion on the changes in this poll.

 

 

Thanks to everyone for your patience through this upgrade, and thanks for being part of the WUWT community.

I’ll have another major announcement coming next week, a big one that will allow our community to make a difference in what Michael Mann calls “The Climate Wars” Stay tuned.

UPDATE:

Readers may recall in the original thread that I made quite a stink about the new WordPress “beep boop” editor, and even wrote a full post about why I thought it was a stunning failure. WordPress seemed oblivious, but I and many others continued to bombard them with emails, posts, phone calls, and anything we could do to tell them how bad this change was.

Today, all of the sudden, things were back to normal, and this appeared above the editor page:

wp-editor-posting experience

That “new and improved posting experience” aka the “beep boop” editor, is corp-speak for “we took this turkey out back and shot it in the head”.

Two thoughts:

1. Users win. Lesson to WordPress – trust your users.

2. Thank you WordPress for finally seeing the light.

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NZ Willy
August 27, 2014 12:32 pm

The right-hand column (with all the links etc) takes up too much of the screen, I’d suggest making it a little narrower with a smaller font.

LeeHarvey
August 27, 2014 12:33 pm

While you’ve got the developer on the line to talk about comment counts…
You know those little tags on the main page thumbnails that show the tags associated with the article? Isn’t there a way to make the text in those tags hyperlinked to the appropriate tag category?

LeeHarvey
Reply to  LeeHarvey
August 27, 2014 12:34 pm

Wait, never mind. I see that’s been corrected since yesterday.
Bang up job!

August 27, 2014 12:37 pm

I am on the fence at this point. If the comment count was visible on the review pages I would have been in the Love it category.
Keep at it! Waiting for next week. BTW, any update on the status of the paper?

August 27, 2014 12:38 pm

I think it’s great. The darker font helps when I’m outside on my iPad. [BTW, what is the font?]
I saw a blue background for comments about three hours ago. Did that disappear? I loved it. Thought it was wonderful with the Jim Reekes white blockquote: again, very tablet friendly.

Reply to  policycritic
August 27, 2014 1:08 pm

I agree with you on the blue background. Not sure why it was there but I did feel it helped the readability of this font.

Chris4692
Reply to  Wayne Delbeke
August 27, 2014 2:01 pm

I thought the blue helped separate the comments while not being distracting.

Tonyb
August 27, 2014 12:42 pm

You have responded to various criticisms such as font type and size and overall it looks far better than the old version which now seems dated, although it didn’t at the time ( a few days ago!)
Let’s wait and see how the nesting works.
Tonyb

August 27, 2014 12:43 pm

Every change has good and bad but this is fine by me. If I can work it anyone can.
One thing that would be good for me, the original technodinosaur, would be a “forward” button at the bottom of each story so that I could forward it by e-mail to someone else.
I see that my spellchecker STILL doesn’t like the word “technodinosaur”.
Or maybe I’m not spelling it the N. American way.

greymouser70
Reply to  Oldseadog
August 28, 2014 3:43 am

Oldseadog: You can fix that by right clicking on the word with the squiggly red line under and selecting and to dictionary. That way if you ever type it again you computer recognizes it as a proper word.

greymouser70
Reply to  greymouser70
August 28, 2014 3:44 am

That should … add to….

Bloke down the pub
August 27, 2014 12:45 pm

Being an imperfect human being, I recognise the temptation to use the reply button to get a post closer to the top of the list than would otherwise be possible. So far I have resisted the temptation.

August 27, 2014 12:46 pm

Anthony, I love the new look & function. Note that on your banner, “The world’s most viewed site on global warming and climate change.” The “and climate change” gets lost in the brightness of the aurora borealis.
Just prophetic, or a subtle dig, LOL.

August 27, 2014 12:47 pm

TRM:
I wouldn’t have anything to do with Google.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Oldseadog
August 27, 2014 1:43 pm

Testing reply, but me too. Start page, duck duck go.. etc.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Oldseadog
August 27, 2014 8:30 pm

Agree.

Steve in Seattle
August 27, 2014 12:53 pm

Yep, its REALLY good, I like the main page TOP, with the stories cluster, and font is easier to read. Thanks.

Vincent
August 27, 2014 12:55 pm

I didn’t have any gripes about the previous format, but the new one is great. No complaints and thanks for your effort.

Mike Singleton
August 27, 2014 12:56 pm

Like it all, especially the font change.

Victoria
August 27, 2014 12:57 pm

I love this site Anthony. And most of those who comment as well. I’m no scientist and some of the details discussed here can be a little above my comprehension but its good to aim high. Thanks for helping bring a little sanity to this crazy world.

Amatør1
August 27, 2014 1:00 pm

The font puts me off, it hurts. I will not scroll up and down to look for, new nested comments. Maybe I’ll just go somewhere else.

Warren in Minnesota
August 27, 2014 1:04 pm

I would like to see the author of each story shown on the home page. That is now missing. Was the story written by Anthony or someone else?

Jim Sorenson
Reply to  Warren in Minnesota
August 28, 2014 6:43 am

I agree with Warren. You’ve really lost something very valuable by not showing the author of each story on the home page. It results in a loss of identity and uniqueness. We want to see your name particularly. It’s a matter of branding and product differentiation for sure, but I just miss it. Without those names, you look more common and less personal. Bring it back!
As the to other changes – Well done, indeed.

Scott
August 27, 2014 1:13 pm

The one change that is affecting me is that the links on pages no longer change color when viewed or clicked through. I also miss the forward one article and back one article buttons.
Otherwise great change. Thanks for all the work you guys put into this site. I have been a daily reader for a couple years now.

earwig42
August 27, 2014 1:16 pm

The opening page seems too busy for me but the success of the new main means I’m in the minority. I can live with that. Love the nesting of replies! I agree with NZ Willy, the right hand column should be smaller.
All-in-all the changes are a big plus. Thanks.

OK S.
August 27, 2014 1:17 pm

I voted “unsure” but I’m really not. Everything is OK except for nested replies. I’ll read them the first time through, but not later. This site simply has too many comments to have to reread them all just to find a new one.

William Mason
August 27, 2014 1:20 pm

I like the new format on the comments. When someone is replying to another post I don’t have to mark where I am at and scroll way back up to see which one they are referring to. Now it is right there which make more sense to me. Good job on the remodeling.
Cheers,
William

August 27, 2014 1:21 pm

Never mind I see you can post at the end. Silly me. Thanks.

Gary
August 27, 2014 1:21 pm

Looks great, Anthony. And btw you’re approaching 200 million views!

August 27, 2014 1:22 pm

The style changes are nice. But style is merely superficial. It does look more professional but the substance was always good anyway.
The nested comments is the big change.
And I don’t like the way that debates are closed in on themselves instead of cross-fertilising.
So I voted “not sure yet”.

DaveW
Reply to  M Courtney
August 27, 2014 10:01 pm

I like the way they are nested so I can disagree with you directly and not 50 comments down the page.

Paul Coppin
Reply to  DaveW
August 28, 2014 4:43 am

However, with linear commenting, I can go quickly go to one place to find the “new business”, and my memory hasn’t failed enough yet to not remember what I read 50 comments above. With nesting, I feel like I’m circling a dozen drains after the first bunch of replied comments – Way. Too. Slow. to process new info.(Is it possible to up the font style in the comment posting blocks -really have to squint to read what I’m posting which is going to add more typos…:)

John V. Wright
August 27, 2014 1:26 pm

Anthony, we appreciate all your efforts and expertise here in the UK. The new format is fine. In a couple of months those who are not finding it so easy to adjust will have adapted. More power to your elbow and to your dedicated mods.

DD More
August 27, 2014 1:27 pm

Anthony, like the new font and color bars. Would it be possible to have a ‘view sort button’ with nesting as basic and by posting / comment number to allow reading as posted?

petermue
August 27, 2014 1:28 pm

Am I the only one who noticed an almost double loading time compared to the old design?
Seems that something preloads 3-4 times on a white page before the content becomes visible.

petermue
Reply to  Anthony Watts
August 27, 2014 3:57 pm

Thanks Anthony for reply.
I just recorded the status bar of my FireFox 31 with HyperCam to see what is loaded before the content appears.
In this order after invoking this article as an example:
1. waiting for wattsupwiththat.com… (about 1.5 sec.)
2. transfer data from wattsupwiththat.com… (about 1 sec.)
3. connected to http://www.osdpd.noaa.com... (about 1 sec)
4. waiting for wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com… (about 1.5 sec.)
5. read widgets.wp.com (about 1 sec.)
6. waiting for public-api.wordpress.com… (about 1.5 sec.)
7. read s0.wp.com… (about 0.5 sec)
8 about 1.5 sec. preparation pause before content appears.
Maybe this long loading time occures because I’m in Germany, but it has never ever been so long before.
With the old design, I had about 3 sec. for the whole page being readily loaded.

Reply to  Anthony Watts
August 27, 2014 4:03 pm

There is something to true about that longer loading time and blank screen. I’m using IE 11, Win 7 (but a semi-public wifi) at the moment. It’s maybe a little longer, not double, and It is no deal breaker. Auto load of images, can be a factor. But it is worth monitoring the load time stats.

petermue
Reply to  Anthony Watts
August 27, 2014 4:12 pm

Can’t imagine this.
I have 50 MB VDSL network with fixed IP. Browsercache was cleared before.
However, this all repeats with each change of a page (maybe WP mistakenly has a no-cache meta tag set?).
I understand that you can’t do anything much here.
I’ll keep an eye on it. 😉
Thanks for your really great efforts for this excellent site!
Peter