All Rain Is Acid Rain

Opinion; Dr. Tim Ball

The scientific theory I like best is that the rings of Saturn are composed entirely of lost airline luggage. Mike Russell

Lack of Data Is The Fundamental Problem

My first involvement with the Acid Rain scare was indirect, but added to awareness of the limitations of data and understanding of atmospheric and ocean mechanisms. It also heightened awareness of the political nature of environmental science. I knew the extents because of membership in the Canadian Committee on Climate Fluctuation and Man (CCCFM). It was part of the National Museum of Natural Sciences Project on Climate Change in Canada During the Past 20,000 years. The committee was funded jointly by the National Museum of Natural Sciences and Environment Canada. It met yearly for several years, bringing together a wide range of specialists to focus on a region, time period, or area of study. Papers were published in Syllogeus, edited by Dr C.R.Harington of the Paleobiology Division. A review of them underlines how much the IPCC sidelined progress in climatology.

My election to Chair of the CCCFM likely caused its demise. In my acceptance speech I urged people not to rush to judgment on the recent anthropogenic global warming (AGW) hypothesis. I was unaware at the time of the involvement of Environment Canada (EC) in the promotion of the hypothesis and the work of the IPCC. Gordon McBean, was Assistant Deputy Minister (ADM, second highest bureaucrat) at Environment Canada and Chaired the IPCC foundation meeting in Villach Austria in 1985. Within a few months of my election, EC withdrew funding and the Museum could not sustain it alone. One of the last projects was a detailed study of the global impact of the eruption of Mount Tambora, Indonesia in 1815. The conference proceedings were published in C.R.Harington (ed) The Year Without a Summer? World Climate in 1816. 1992, National Museum of Natural Sciences, Canadian Museum of Nature, Ottawa. Environment Canada’s actions were part of the suppression of people and data that continues to this day.

Dangers of Bureaucrats Doing Research

At the one annual conference under my chair, an Environment Canada researcher approached me to talk about a problem with the issue of Acid Rain. His dilemma underscored my argument that bureaucratic researchers are almost automatically compromised.

He was so nervous that he wouldn’t talk about it at the museum; instead, we met at the airport coffee shop. He was directed to prove US coal burning plants were causing the Acid Rain causing demise of the Quebec Maple Syrup industry. Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney was already, publicly saying they were to blame.

The problem was his research showed the decline in Maple Syrup production was not caused by Acid Rain, but two natural cyclical events. The major one was a drought. The other, was due to a period of Meridional flow (the dreaded “polar vortex”) resulting in a very early spring warming that caused the tree to start leafing, followed by leaf destroying “black” frosts. Both events cause “dieback”, that is a loss of leaves. Trees, like all vegetation, have recovery and catch-up mechanisms that drive them to seed production. They will grow new leaves and go through a shortened and reduced production cycle. This includes the amount of sap flowing.

His dilemma was how to tell his bosses at Environment Canada that evidence didn’t support the Prime Ministers accusations. He even talked of publishing under an assumed name. I pointed out that he might then be fired because he hadn’t done anything for two years, although that is no guarantee in a bureaucracy.

The solution was obvious; he had to retain his scientific integrity and present his evidence. It was not his job to determine what happened to the results. His job was to do thorough, well-documented, research. He was not paid to make political decisions. The report would go up the bureaucratic ladder until somebody, holding a job for political reasons, would put it on a shelf. Later, a joint investigation by three US and three Canadian investigators, confirmed that Acid Rain was not the cause of the decline in Maple Syrup. After climate conditions changed again, yields exceeded previous records.

There is no question that Acid Rain occurred in concentrations sufficient to destroy plants. I lived in Sudbury Ontario for a year, with its smoke stack, identified as the source of 10 percent of North American Acid Rain, and saw the effects. Town leaders were proud of the fact NASA chose the region as most like the moon for astronaut training. At that time, the philosophy was ‘the solution to pollution is dilution’, so they built the smokestacks higher to disperse the sulfur further downwind. Ironically, after scrubbers were put on the stacks, reports appeared of reduced tree growth downwind because small amounts of sulfur were a fertilizer enhancing growth. This appears to support Paracelsus’ 16th century observation that the toxicity is in the dosage.

Types of Acid Rain And Chemical Variations

Water vapor condenses on to particles called condensation nuclei (CN), most of them are clay or salt particles. The CN influences the chemical nature of the liquid water drop created. For example, salt particles change the freezing temperature so the droplet becomes super-cooled and remain liquid below the freezing point. If it is a sulfur particle, the water droplet becomes a mild sulfuric acid droplet and that became the Acid Rain of environmental focus.

Most people don’t know that all rain is acid rain, but not because of the CN. Water, whether in the form of water droplets that take an estimated 1 million to form a medium-sized raindrop, absorb CO2 from the atmosphere. Droplets have a very high ratio of surface area to volume and absorb CO2 at a known rate. The chemical formula is CO2 + H2O clip_image002 H2CO3, which results in a weak, approximately 10 percent, carbonic acid in chemical equilibrium.

How much water is there in the atmosphere and how much does it vary regionally and over time? Two comments give an idea of the lack of accurate information.

One estimate of the volume of water in the atmosphere at any one time is about 3,100 cubic miles (mi3) or 12,900 cubic kilometers (km3).

At any moment, the atmosphere contains an astounding 37.5 million billion gallons of water, in the invisible vapor phase. This is enough water to cover the entire surface of the Earth (land and ocean) with one inch of rain.

Combine these with the extremely poor precipitation data for the entire globe and you have another example of climate science being a modern equivalent of the number of angels on the head of a pin. One-person claims

…the approximate rate of washout of carbon dioxide from the Earth’s atmosphere via rainwater can be determined from the known ocean evaporation rate and from the known solubility of CO2 in distilled water as a function of temperature and CO2 partial pressure.

Fine, but what is the figure? I understand estimates of evaporation are very crude, if not essentially meaningless. In the early atmosphere/ocean computer models they simply assumed a “swamp” approach of 100 percent evaporation. The 2007 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Report says,

The spatial resolution of the coupled ocean-atmosphere models used in the IPCC assessment is generally not high enough to resolve tropical cyclones, and especially to simulate their intensity.

 

Carol Anne Clayson of Woods Hole explains the difficulties.

The air-sea interface “is typically the most turbulent part of the ocean,” Clayson said. A dizzying mix of interrelated factors—waves, winds, water temperature and salinity, bubbles and spray, solar radiation, and others—each adds a layer of complexity that occurs over wide ranges of time (seconds to seasons) and space (millimeters to miles). [See illustration above.]

“Getting observations of what’s going on at the air-sea interface is not trivial, especially in extreme conditions such as high winds,” Clayson said. “It’s also difficult to simulate the air-sea interactions, especially in extreme conditions, in laboratory experiments in a wave tank. Current computers don’t have enough computational capacity to incorporate all the processes occurring, on all the spatial and temporal scales involved, to produce realistic simulations.”

So we don’t know and can’t do anything with it. IPCC know the limits, but also know few read or understand the science reports.

 

Unfortunately, the total surface heat and water fluxes (see Supplementary Material, Figure S8.14) are not well observed.

For models to simulate accurately the seasonally varying pattern of precipitation, they must correctly simulate a number of processes (e.g., evapotranspiration, condensation, transport) that are difficult to evaluate at a global scale.

How much CO2 is absorbed in the atmosphere by moisture? How much does it vary spatially with changing temperature of the water droplets and raindrops? How much does it vary with changing air temperature and saturation vapor pressure? How much does it vary with wind speed? How do the quantities relate to human additions of CO2? All we can do is ask questions to help the public realize the inadequacy of the data and lack of understanding of the mechanisms behind IPCC claims.

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August 16, 2014 3:01 pm

Gunga Din says:
August 16, 2014 at 2:43 pm
Eve says:
August 15, 2014 at 10:15 pm

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Also, if your test tube had time to heat up, it would would lost some of the gasses it dissolved, including CO2 and so there would have been a reduction in the carbonic acid.

August 16, 2014 3:10 pm

Tim Ball says:
August 16, 2014 at 9:50 am
“A few observations and much reasoning lead to error; many observations and a little reasoning to truth” Alexis Carrel

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A scientist was studying fleas.
He clapped his hands and the flea jumped 6 inches.
He pulled off a leg.
He clapped his hands and the flea jumped 5 inches.
He pulled off a leg.
He clapped his hands and the flea jumped 4 inches.
He pulled off a leg.
He clapped his hands and the flea jumped 3 inches.
He pulled off a leg.
He clapped his hands and the flea jumped 2 inches.
He pulled off a leg.
He clapped his hands and the flea jumped 1 inch.
He pulled off the last leg.
He clapped his hands and the flea didn’t jump.
He concluded, “All legs gone. Flea can’t hear.”

Crispin in Waterloo but really in Yogyakarta
August 16, 2014 8:56 pm

Samuel C Cogar says:
>Well now, there are several “expert” calculating individuals that know exact what that “figure” is …. but for some reason they are intent on keeping it a “secret” from everyone else.
The figure cited above 0.12… x 10^10 looks suspicious because a scientist or engineer would write 1.2… x 10^9. Who’s figure is it? Did whoever made the calculation realize that droplets that freeze kick out the CO2? Snow falling into the ocean leaves the CO2 behind.
>And I can attest to the above fact of both “knowledge” and “secrecy” because those above said “experts” keep telling me that both the “bi-yearly cycling” (avg 6 ppm) and the “average yearly increase” (1 to 2 ppm) in atmospheric CO2 ppm quantities as measured and defined in/on the Mauna Loa record and/or the Keeling Curve Graph is not a function of, ….. nor has any relationship to, the ingassing/outgassing of CO2 at the interface boundary between the ocean surface and the atmosphere.
Then they have failed to consider the effect of annual cycling into and out of ice in clouds, on land and covering lakes and seas.
It is interesting how the combination of secrecy and knowledge an analogy for the Gnostics 1800 years ago. The claim of the Gnostics was to have a ‘secret knowledge’ which was so special it could not be shared with the general population, or even their own laity. How climate-scientific! Gnostic predictions of a future heaven of hell were based on ‘secret knowledge’ which could be shared! It was only accessible to and understood by an elite with a special command of a special language where words mean what they are declared to mean. And they said Lenin was an atheist!
CAGW = Gnostic priestcraft.
>…One can not estimate a quantity …… and then claim their estimate is a factual physical quantity.
Well said. One cannot estimate a future climate condition and then claim that the estimate is a future physical fact.

Crispin in Waterloo but really in Yogyakarta
August 16, 2014 9:16 pm

milodonharlani says:
>Grammatically, the suffix “-man” (usually pronounced “mun”) is neuter in gender, which grammatical term of course doesn’t necessarily imply natural sex anyway, although it has been hijacked by “gender studies” programs, so can refer to a person of any sex. See “woman” for a comparable construction.
Well said.
‘Man’ is from ‘manus’ meaning ‘hand’. Manual labour = hand labour. It survives in ‘farmhand’ and ‘deckhand’. ‘I could really use a hand here.’ ‘Send a couple of hands to help with the horses,’ does not mean, ‘Send a couple of males.’ The game of Checkers is played with men, not males.
Man = person
Woman = female person
Weaman = male person
Can’t remember ‘weaman? The only remnant is ‘weapon’ meaning ‘male tool’ and puns based on this were common five centuries ago.
The misinterpretation of ‘chairman’ to mean ‘chair-male’ demonstrates ignorant confirmation bias amongst a group of social bullies. Quelle surprise.
Correctly: Mr Chairman or Madam Chairman. To ‘recognize the chair’ is oxymoronic. Chairs do not moderate meetings. People do. In a meeting, ‘chair’ is a verb.

bushbunny
August 16, 2014 9:48 pm

I remember water drawn from bores and wells. Depends on what rocks are involved from the source. Limestone makes water more alkaline, but generally, rain water can be slightly acid without harming trees or plants. The majority of trees don’t mind an acid soil, but some hate alkaline water or soils. Like Azaleas and spruce. If your soils are alkaline, add sulphur. If you want more alkalinity, add lime or dolomite. The aim is a 6.5 pH.

Bart
August 17, 2014 12:41 am

BioBob says:
August 15, 2014 at 5:29 pm
“…other acid forming pollutants like nitric acid forming automobile exhaust that have increased in total volume since the 70s.
Have they? The number of cars has definitely increased, but three-way catalytic converters, introduced in 1981, significantly reduce NOx emissions.As the link says:

Technological improvements including three-way catalytic converters have led to motor vehicle nitrous oxide emissions in the US falling to 8.2% of anthropogenic nitrous oxide emissions in 2008, from a high of 17.77% in 1998.

Maybe industrial NOx emissions have increased, but I would expect that from automobiles to have decreased.
vicgallus says:
August 15, 2014 at 5:49 pm
“Nitric oxide from lightning is the major source of nitric acid in rain away from urban centres.”
As, according to the link above, anthropogenic emissions were never even 1/5th of natural.
BioBob says:
August 15, 2014 at 9:46 pm
” After a quick look, there has been what I would consider a substantial decrease in sulfur deposition of over 20%”
It would help for you guys to give a link:

In the period 1995-1997, wet deposition of sulfate in the Northeast was approximately 20 percent lower than levels in the preceding three years with implementation of the 1990 CAAA.

Three years. And, 20%. What were the error bars? How observable was the reduction? There is room here, it would appear, to insert an agenda.

Bart
August 17, 2014 12:43 am

Caleb says:
August 15, 2014 at 9:39 pm
Beautiful post. It is human nature to assume that we know what is happening in places we have never been, or to people we have never met, or with phenomena we have never personally observed. We tend to put our faith in people who have, or claim to have, done these things, without ever really knowing if they genuinely have, or if they did so without bias toward a predetermined conclusion.

Leonard Jones
August 17, 2014 4:13 am

All rain is acid rain is an assertion made by Dr. Dixie Lee Ray in her book Trashing
The Planet in 1992. The late Doctor would be happy to see that many of the debates
she started are still being discussed, and in many cases like global warming, that
her side is winning.

johnmarshall
August 17, 2014 4:47 am

Thanks again for a great post Dr. Ball.
One other thing not considered in CO2 sea water dissolution is the speed that the other reactions take place converting H2 CO3 to bi-carbonate which will renew CO2 dissolution rates. So even this vital piece of data is nearly impossible to estimate.

tokyoboy
August 17, 2014 4:49 am

“Dave Wendt says: August 15, 2014 at 7:48 pm”
The description you cite is quite erroneous.
The weak acidity of rainwater (pH 4.6-5.0) is determined predominantly by SO2, not CO2.
Though the average concentration of SO2 (5 ppb, or 0.005 ppm) is 80,000-fold smaller than CO2, the acid dissociation constant is much much larger than CO2, and a primitive chemical calculation yields a pH value of 4.85 for 5 ppb SO2.
A research group of our Environmental Ministry (then Agency) measured rainwater pH for 20 years (1983-2002), and found a very constant value of pH 4.8 plus/minus 0.2 throughout. This is consistent with an idea that the SO2-originated acidity (pH 4.85) is slightly enhanced by CO2, to give a pH value of ca. 4.8.

lawrence Cornell
August 18, 2014 6:36 am

Nick Stokes says:
August 15, 2014 at 3:13 pm
richardscourtney says: August 15, 2014 at 3:06 pm
“Nick Stokes, if that information is the best you can provide”………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..No, it’s not the best I can provide………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….. I didn’t introduce the site concerned – that was Tim Ball. It’s actually a site of an apparently retired engineer – no authority, but genuinely curious. He’s trying to work it out.
My point is though, that Tim Ball took it just to the stage of saying “Fine, but what is the figure? “. One of his many questions. And in the enthusiasm of going on to the next “question”, he didn’t notice that a figure was there.
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“NO, IT’S NOT THE BEST I CAN PROVIDE”
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The above is a cut and paste copy of Nick Stokes words here with the quote in question isolated in two different ways.
For those of you confused about reality, including Nick Stokes, that is Nick Stokes SAYING that he has better information he CAN provide shortly before he once again wastes every ones time claiming that he didn’t say something that he did.
Do you now remember writing that Nick Stokes ? Are you still confused or are you just a liar ?
I think you should pick one because presently you are looking quite like both. From what I see, not unusual for you here.

The Iceman Cometh
August 18, 2014 7:23 am

BioBob said “Better look at the Hubbard Brook data again. You made me curious. After a quick look, there has been what I would consider a substantial decrease in sulfur deposition of over 20%. Further, the pH of rain has gone from an average of about 4.0 to around 4.9, according to the data I just looked at.” I have studied NTN Site NH02 Hubbard Brook data from August 1978 to December 2007 rainfall chemistry. There were statistically significant drops in Ca (45%), Mg(71%), K(31%), Na(73%), NO3(35%), Cl(53%), SO4 (53%) and H+ (35%)concentrations over this period, and significant increases in NH4(26%) and CO2 (77%). Rainfall was unchanged (n=1260).
At a site ME02 Bridgton a few km further east, over a similar period, the changes were generally in the same direction, with SO4 reduced by 53% and H+ by 35%, while CO2 increased by 96% (n=1093). At VT99, Underhill, somewhat further west, SO4 was reduced by 46% and H+ by 54% while CO2 increased by 148% (n= 1014).
The NTN data on weekly chemistry was checked as part of this study and generally found to be excellent. The curious questions that linger include why ions like Na and Cl dropped as well as SO4 – and by a similar amount – and whether the huge increase in CO2 drove the drop in hydrogen ions or vice versa – does more CO2 in the atmosphere fix acid rain (if it ever existed)?

Crispin in Waterloo but really in Yogyakarta
August 18, 2014 7:25 am

tokyoboy, could the S in your example be from H2S rather than SO2? The oceans produce massive amounts of H2S.

Crispin in Waterloo but really in Yogyakarta
August 18, 2014 9:27 am

Ice Man
“The curious questions that linger include why ions like Na and Cl dropped as well as SO4 – and by a similar amount …”
Na and Cl are found in significant amounts in biomass. There are a couple of reasons why the drop: less burning of biomass, less burning of coal (old biomass). The only way to get the Cl and Na out of biomass like grass is to wash it out by leaving it outside for a winter. It leaches out. The drop you found may correlate to a drop in the use of wood for heating, grass fires upwind, less coal being burned or stack cleaning (though I don’t see how that would apply) or some mystery that remains discovered.

Ferdinand Engelbeen
August 25, 2014 3:29 am

It seems to me that this is a pure academic question without any consequence for the carbon content of the atmosphere.
The solubility of CO2 in fresh water is very low at the atmospheric CO2 pressure of 0.0004 bar.
At 1 bar and 0°C it is 3.3 g/l, see:
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/gases-solubility-water-d_1148.html
Thus at 400 ppmv (~μatm), the solubility of CO2 in fresh water is ~1.3 mg/l.
1 liter rainwater needs all the water vapor of 400 m3 air to form the necessary drops. If that is saturated at 0°C, the total amount of CO2 subtracted from the atmosphere is simply negligible as concentration change: about 0.05 ppmv.
The same where the raindrops fall down: 1 l/m2 = 1 mm rain/m2. If that runs off in rivers and reaches the oceans, the circle is round. If it all evaporates on the spot, the CO2 is set free and “enriches” the first m3 above the surface with less than 1 ppmv CO2, if there is no mixing by wind with higher air levels at all.
Thus all what is left is that the gigantic amounts of water vapor circulating over the earth move some relative modest quantities of CO2 from the atmosphere back to the oceans, partly via rivers which may dissolve limestone, but even that needs millions of years to form the beautiful caves one can find all over the earth…
The fundamental point here is that most of the water/CO2 movements on earth are cycles. The average residence time of water in the atmosphere is a few days. At any moment the water quantity and thus the dissolved CO2 quantity may be double or halve the quantity of before or after a few days, but that hardly changes the total quantity of CO2 in the atmosphere, as the total dissolved quantity of CO2 in fresh water is very low compared to what is in the atmosphere. Further, the fast variations in water content of the atmosphere largely average out over a few days to a few weeks…