Solar Cycle Driven Ocean Temperature Variations

What Slow Fourier Transforms can tell us.

Guest essay by Stan Robertson, Ph.D., P.E.

On May 3, 2014, an article on WUWT by Willis Eschenbach entitled, The Slow Fourier Transform (SFT) was posted. As he noted, the amplitude of the Slow Fourier Transform components are in the same units as the fitted data, intervals of arbitrary length and irregular data can be used and periodicities rather than frequencies are automatically extracted. In addition to rediscovering a very useful mathematical tool, Willis went on to show that there were apparently no variations of temperature associated with solar cycle variations for several long term temperature records. Now my normal inclination would be to say that if Willis didn’t find any there probably aren’t many to be found. But, on the other hand, as I showed in an October 10, 2013 WUWT article entitled The Sun Does It: Now Go Figure Out How!, it does not take much of a temperature variation to represent a very significant solar contribution to ocean surface temperatures and heat content.

Several researchers, including Nir Shaviv (2008), Roy Spencer (see http://www.drroyspencer.com/2010/06/low-climate-sensitivity-estimated-from-the-11-year-cycle-in-total-solar-irradiance/) and Zhou & Tung (2010) have found that ocean surface temperatures oscillate with an amplitude of about 0.04 – 0.05 oC during a solar cycle. Using 150 years of sea surface temperature data, Zhou & Tung found 0.085 oC warming for each watt/m2 of increase of TSI over a solar cycle.

In my previous article, I showed that the changes of Total Solar Irradiance (TSI) over a solar cyle were too small, by at least a factor of 3.6, to cause temperature oscillations with an amplitude of 0.04 C. Since the variations of temperature considered were clearly associated with solar cycles, it seemed to me that the sun does something more to change ocean surface temperatures than just vary its TSI. But the whole idea would fall apart if there really are no significant variations of ocean temperature correlated with solar cycles. That motivated me to look in places where Willis had not and, in particular, to look at shorter and more recent temperature records that might be both more accurate and with better distribution over the ocean surfaces.

 

I downloaded the HADSST3 global sea surface temperature raw data (http://woodfortrees.org/plot/hadsst3gl ) and took a look at the data since 1954. This covers 60 years of data and about five and one half solar cycles. To get an idea of what sort of noise would be in these data, I fitted the sea surface temperatures to a cubic polynomial just to get rid of most of the systematic variations. The figure below shows a plot of the residuals for the last 60 years.

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Figure 1 HADSST3GL residuals for the last 60 years

If we are looking for variations of about 0.04 C amplitude over the 5.5 solar cycles in the time period shown, then with apparently random variations of about 0.3 C amplitude in the record, the signal to noise ratio would be about 0.04 / 0.3 = 0.13. This would be a signal a long way down in the noise. So the question is, can we extract such a signal with a Slow Fourier Transform? To answer this question, I adopted Willis’ lovely SFT technique. I generated some test monthly data for a 60 year interval consisting of sine waves with a 10 year period plus monthly random noise in the range of +/-0.5 C. The slow FT results for waves with amplitude of 0.15 C, 0.1 C and 0.05 C would have signal to noise ratios of 0.3, 0.2 and 0.1, respectively. The results are shown in Figure 2.

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Figure 2. Slow FT for test sine waves with 10 year period for a sixty year interval; 6 cycles.

As one might expect, the random variations would have both short period and long period apparent periodicities as shown in Figure 2. At a signal to noise ratio of 0.2 (blue line), or larger, the signal buried in the noise can be nicely extracted by the Slow FT. At a signal to noise ratio of 0.1, and none of the other curves to aid the eye, you might just have to believe that there might be a signal with a 10 year period. It is hardly bigger than the spurious noise peaks. Of course, there are much more sophisticated signal extraction processes than the Slow Fourier Transform. From comments that I have seen here on WUWT, there are some sharp readers around who could surely teach us some lessons. It might be expecting too much to see such a small signal in the noisy sea surface temperature data with an SFT method. But it is worth noting that in each of the test cases, the Slow FT peaks at 10 yr are smaller than the amplitudes that generated the test data by about ten to twenty percent with worse results at lower signal to noise ratios.

Since it is pretty clear that we will be looking for a small signal in a lot of noise, we probably ought to see where to look. A slow FT of the SIDC sunspot numbers for the years since 1954 shows a peak at 10.8 years as shown in Figure 3.

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Figure 3. Slow FT for SIDC sunspot numbers 1954 – 2014

Now let’s have a look at the Slow FT for the sea surface temperature data. The average was subtracted to help suppress spurious long periods, but no smoothing was applied.

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Figure 4 Slow FT for HADSST3gl sea surface temperatures

I leave it to the readers to decide whether or not there is a solar cycle signal in the HADSST3gl sea surface temperature record. Considering that the slow FT tends to understate the actual signal amplitude at low signal to noise ratios, I think that this might be a credible detection of a solar cycle driven temperature variation at a 10.4 year period with a signal to noise ratio of at least 0.065 C/ 0.3 C = 0.22.

For the remainder of this essay, I would like to extend and recapitulate some of my previous findings. The prevailing view in climate science is that the sun has contributed very little, if anything, to the warming of the last century. Finding that ocean temperatures are affected during solar cycles to a much larger degree than can be explained by the small changes of solar irradiance that reach the sea surfaces is a huge challenge to the prevailing view, but it rests on some bedrock physics. A detailed accounting for energy exchanges, including thermal energies is as fundamental as it gets.

I was able to account for the long term secular trends of both the sea surface temperature changes AND the ocean heat content since 1965 with a linearly increasing rate of surface heating. This involved numerically solving some heat transfer equations, including the absorption of solar energy, but it provided a simple, two parameter simultaneous fit to the sea surface temperature record AND the ocean heat content record. The two parameters found were a rate of increase of surface heat input of 0.31 watt/m2 per decade and an average thermal diffusivity of the upper oceans of 1 cm2/s. A fairly good fit to both trends was obtained as shown in Figure 5.

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Figure 5. Measured and Calculated Sea Surface Temperature and Ocean Heat Content

A good fit was obtainable only for very narrow ranges of parameters. If the thermal diffusivity is taken to be too large, too much heat would be calculated for the ocean depths and surface temperatures would rise too little as the heat moves on to greater depths. If too small, the reverse occurs. If the input heating rate is too large, both rise too rapidly and if too small, both rise too little. The point of this exercise was to obtain a thermal diffusivity that could then be used to tell us how much surface temperature change could be produced by the changes of solar irradiance that occur during solar cycles. The answer is that the small variations of solar irradiance that reach the sea surfaces are far too small to produce temperature oscillations of even 0.04 C amplitude, much less the 0.065 watt/m2 amplitude suggested by Figure 4.

By the same computer program that I had used for my previous WUWT article, I have found that the amplitude of oscillating heat flux entering the ocean that would be required to produce surface temperature oscillations with the Figure 4 amplitude of 0.065 C would be 0.47 watt/m2 for thermal diffusivity of 1 cm2/s. How does this compare to the oscillating flux of solar radiation that reaches the sea surface? Let’s have a look at the solar irradiance changes over solar cycles. Figure 6 shows that TSI varies approximately sinusoidally over recent solar cycles with an amplitude of about 0.5 watt/m2 . (Thanks to Leif Svalgaard for TSI data.)

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Figure 6 TSI variations for a few recent solar cyles.

As explained in my previous WUWT post, about 70% of one fourth of this amplitude, or 0.0875 watt/m2 enters the troposphere averaged over the earth area and day-night cycles. About

(160 watt/m2 /1365 watt/m^2) X 0.5 watt/m^2 = 0.0586 Watt/m2 is absorbed at the surface at wavelengths below 2 micron. About half the difference between the 0.0875 and 0.0586 watt/m2 reaches the surface at longer wavelengths and after scattering in the atmosphere. This give a solar TSI amplitude of 0.073 watt/m2 that is absorbed at the sea surface. This is about 6.4 times smaller than the 0.47 watt/m2 amplitude needed to drive surface temperature oscillations of 0.065 C. This result is in better agreement with the larger factors of 5 – 7 found by Shaviv (2008) ( see http://www.sciencebits.com/files/articles/CalorimeterFinal.pdf)

It is of some interest that my results were obtained without assuming any particular depth of an ocean mixing layer. For a thermal diffusivity of 1 cm2/s, the contribution to thermal gradients that vary with the solar cycle below the first ten meters would be much less than 0.001 C/m anyway. I saw no need to introduce a mixing zone with zero gradients and an arbitrary depth boundary.

This leaves us with a clear result that the TSI variations during solar cycles are not the direct drivers of the associated ocean temperature oscillations. Something else that varies with the solar cycles affects the amount of heat flux that penetrates the ocean surfaces. In my opinion, the most likely candidate would be cyclical variations of global cloud cover, but the mechanism that would control it is presently a research topic. Whatever the mechanism of the larger heating variations, it seems quite possible that it might be capable of producing long term secular trends under the control of the sun in addition to variations over solar cycles.

To examine this point, go back to the result shown in Figure 5. The heat flux required to account for the trends of increasing sea surface temperature and ocean heat content had to increase by 0.31 watt/m2/decade. Could this be due to greenhouse gases? CO2 is supposed to produce heating at a rate of about 3.7 watt/m2 per doubling period of its concentration. With concentration increasing at a rate of about 5% per decade, the doubling time would be about 14 decades. Since the heating effect is a logarithmic function of concentration, this would produce a linear heating at a rate of 3.7/14 = 0.26 watt/m2 per decade. This is certainly in the right ballpark to be part of the explanation of the apparent surface heating of the last few decades, however, when we recall that sulfate aerosols with negating effects would partially counter the CO2, it seems to me unlikely that CO2 is the entire explanation. Considering the similar period of rapid warming in the first half of the last century and the presently expanding and embarrassing pause of temperature increases, it seems to me that there is ample room for a significant solar contribution to the longer term warming periods. So I still think that the sun does a lot of it and I would still like to know how. Climate scientists would be well advised to spend some time trying to find out.

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Editor
July 27, 2014 12:48 pm

Bart says:
July 27, 2014 at 9:38 am

Willis Eschenbach says:
July 27, 2014 at 7:39 am

“This is a variation of ± 0.04%, FOUR-HUNDREDTHS OF A PERCENT!!!”

Poor argument. Plot similarly the global mean temperature on a Kelvin scale to see that the effect we are looking for is of tiny proportion as well, about +/- 0.2K in the ~60 year variation out of 300K.

First, I don’t understand the “60 year variation”, when the head post and my comment are both talking about 11 year cycles.
Second, you appear to assume the temperature is varying linearly with radiation. A variation of ~ 1 W/m2 translates to a 0.25 W/m2 variation on a global 24/7 basis. This is further reduced by clouds to a change of about 0.17 W/m2 entering the system.
Assuming no amplification or feedbacks other than the greenhouse effect, this would be a change of 0.05°C … like I said, inconsequentially small.
Willis Eschenbach says:
July 27, 2014 at 7:51 am

“You’ve ruled out the sun driving the “ocean cycles” by pointing out that they are not in phase with each other.”

Non sequitur. In a system with lag, there is always as phase difference between input and output for periods shorter than the lag.

I don’t understand this. A lag only changes the phase, so you are correct that there is “always as phase difference between input and output” in a lagged system. However, what there generally is NOT is a response to a cyclical signal that goes in and out of phase with the driven signal, regardless of the period lengths.
Consider, for example, the lag in the annual heating of the earth by the sun. It is about two months. Now, if we look at a period shorter than that lag, say a day … we do NOT see the daily cycle going randomly into and out of phase with the input.
So I’m not clear at all on your claim.
Thanks,
w.

July 27, 2014 1:03 pm

Chasing dimensionless sunspot number is a waist of time. Sunspot cycles have a distinct magnetic polarity (opposite) on each of two solar hemispheres.
Dr. S will say that they cancel each other, but that is not the case for the open solar magnetic flux impacting the Earth. .
Two magnetic polarities are separated by the heliospheric current sheet (HCS), thus the Earth sees only one at any time.
How much time the earth spends in each polarity is determined by the tilt angle of the HCS, which is considerably different between even and odd cycles.
http://wso.stanford.edu/gifs/Tilts.gif
All Earth’s electrically conducting (from wires to ocean currents) and electrically charged (from clouds to ionosphere) systems differentiate between two solar magnetic polarities.
For example when the Earth is swept by the HCS all geomagnetic stations record sharp magnetic spike of one or the other polarity depending on the direction of crossing.
As a consequence, the 22 year cycle is present in both land and ocean temperatures. Here is the NOAA’s L&O temperature anomaly and its spec with the 22 year component the most prominent one.
How does it work? That is much harder to answer; for a test we cannot turn it off, but according to (my) extrapolation there is a remote possibility that the sun just may do us a favour and switch it off for ~ 10-11 years (starting about 2020)

mikewaite
July 27, 2014 1:45 pm

There are such (apparently) contradictory assertions about the effect of solar activity on global or regional sea surface and land temperatures from eminent persons on this thread that I resorted to Googling “solar activity and climate change” .
The first ref , from thousands , was the following from an international team led by a Gerard Bond from Columbia Univ in Science, Vol 294, 2130 etseq (Dec 2001). It looked at cooling of the north Atlantic and the extent of drift ice at times of low solar activity, during the Holocene , the last 12000 years , and found a positive correlation , but over a 1500 year cycle ie slow variation in solar output as evidenced by the formation of cosmogenic nuclides C14 and Be10.(free access PDF article). They seem to conclude that the Earth’s climate is indeed sensitive to small changes in solar output (UV/Vis radn. and solar wind) and that changes in the North Atlantic waters could have repercussions further afield (if I have understood it correctly).
http://www.essc.psu.edu/essc_web/seminars/spring2006/Mar1/Bond%20et%20al%202001.pdf
To follow up all relevant articles of this nature ( and some state the opposite) and resolve the differences of opinion seen in this thread would take one person a significant part of their lifetime, but if there could be, say, an International Team of Climate Scientists looking objectively at all causes of climate change and reporting back at , 1 – 2 year intervals, that would be such a help.
A pipe dream alas.

July 27, 2014 1:56 pm

Willis Eschenbach says:
July 27, 2014 at 12:48 pm
“First, I don’t understand the “60 year variation”, when the head post and my comment are both talking about 11 year cycles.”
So, you are looking for an even smaller effect. That merely reinforces the point.
“However, what there generally is NOT is a response to a cyclical signal that goes in and out of phase with the driven signal, regardless of the period lengths.”
For a linear system. Not all systems are linear.
I’m not telling you, you are wrong. I am telling you, you are levying constraints on the allowable system response without acknowledging them.

bones
July 27, 2014 1:56 pm

Willis Eschenbach says:
July 26, 2014 at 1:51 pm
Thanks for a very interesting analysis, Dr. Stan. I just took a look at the dataset in question, and I fear I can’t reproduce your results. I find no significant signal of the type that you show. Here is my result: . . .
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Willis, the same program that pulled that .05 C sine wave out of the noise in my Figure 2 is the one that pulled a 10.4 year cycle out of the Jan 1954 – May 2014 Hadsst3gl data. I used 0.2 year steps of period, P, and least squares fitted
sst – avg = A sin(2 pi t/P) + B cos(2 pi t/ P)
where avg was the arithmetic average sst for the 60+ year record and t was time in months since Jan 1954. No smoothing, filtering or apodization applied; just the data from woodfortrees. I have rechecked that program and those calculations. I ran another trial with 0.1 year steps and the results overlay those of my Figure 4. I believe that my results are OK as I reported them. Please take a hard look at your program and try fitting the same data.

July 27, 2014 2:08 pm

BTW, just so it is here somewhere, this is my opinion regarding what is going on, but I do not have the time or inclination to argue for it here today.

Editor
July 27, 2014 2:15 pm

Bart says:
July 27, 2014 at 1:56 pm

Willis Eschenbach says:
July 27, 2014 at 12:48 pm

“First, I don’t understand the “60 year variation”, when the head post and my comment are both talking about 11 year cycles.”

So, you are looking for an even smaller effect. That merely reinforces the point.

No, I’m looking for a larger effect. The swing in any given solar cycle is much larger than the swing over 60 years.

“However, what there generally is NOT is a response to a cyclical signal that goes in and out of phase with the driven signal, regardless of the period lengths.”

For a linear system. Not all systems are linear.

Since the response to both the day/night solar variations and the annual solar variations is quite close to linear (including the S-B equation), you need evidence before you start asserting non-linearity.

I’m not telling you, you are wrong. I am telling you, you are levying constraints on the allowable system response without acknowledging them.

Bart, it is theoretically possible that the earth’s response to the sun is best described by a 4th degree polynomial with thresholds … but until someone can demonstrate that, I say that the Stefan-Boltzmann equation needs to be the default choice.
Thanks as always for your comment,
w.

Schrodinger's Cat
July 27, 2014 2:18 pm

The UV changes during a solar cycle are very significant, even if the change in TSI is small. The UV will influence ozone production and other chemical reactions in the atmosphere.
The magnetic field will change enormously with a positive peak followed by a negative peak. The solar wind will change throughout and the neutron count received on earth will peak out of phase with TSI. So a great deal of change takes place. I’m not convinced that we fully understand the full implications for our climate.

Editor
July 27, 2014 2:28 pm

Bob Weber says:
July 27, 2014 at 11:59 am

Willis, try looking at this, http://climate4you.com/images/SunspotsMonthlySIDC%20and%20HadSST3%20GlobalMonthlyTempSince1960%20WithSunspotPeriodNumber.gif
In 1965, ’76, ’86, ’96, and ’08 there were solar minimums. Look up at the SST graph, and see the temp dips that correspond to the minimums. Yes, that’s wiggle-matching, but we are comparing real observations.

Thanks, Bob, but you are not comparing the observations. You are comparing a centered, acausal smooth of the observations. I gave the graph of the cross-correlation function between the ACTUAL observations of HadSST3 and sunspots above. It is not statistically different from random chance.

Just so you know, ren’s native language is not english….he does the best he can – he’s a smart guy who studies UV, cosmic arays, and the stratosphere. I just wish he was easier to understand!

I figured that, but if he wants to get traction, he needs to up his game and stop posting uncited, unreferenced, unexplained links. I’ve gone fruitlessly to too many of his pointless graphics, and at this point I’ve given up.
I looked at the David Stockwell links you sent, and it was totally unconvincing. I can only echo Greg Goodman’s comment, viz:

Why is this study limited to 1950 onwards? Both temp and SSN go way back before that.
It is also well known that the correlation of SSN and [temp] does not hold further back in 20th c. It then comes back into phase in late 19th c.

Greg also raised a number of other very salient objections to the study.
I have the same objection to the head post, as I spelled out above. Picking the 50 year time period when there is a weak correlation between SST and temps, a correlation which is nonexistent in the previous 50 years, is a cherry-picked deal-breaker for me. Color me completely unimpressed.
w.

bones
July 27, 2014 2:32 pm

Willis Eschenbach says:
July 27, 2014 at 7:39 am
All you folks who claim a large role in global temperatures for the variations in the sun’s strength over the sunspot cycle, here’s a graph for you: (skip)
What most people don’t realize is that out of the ~1360 W/m2 of total solar irradiance, the variation of the sun’s strength over a typical sunspot cycle is ± 0.5 W/m2. This is a variation of ± 0.04%, FOUR-HUNDREDTHS OF A PERCENT!!!
Now, it is theoretically possible that there is some amplification factor. Let’s be insanely generous and say that the variation is amplified by a factor of 10 … this still only gives us a variation of ± 0.4%, a minuscule four-tenths of a percent.
I find it highly unlikely that such a variation will make the slightest difference to the global temperature, whether in the short or the long run.
Finally, in the last half billion years the strength of the sun (using standard physics and the knowledge of stellar evolution) is estimated to have increased by 5%. IF the sun ruled the temperature we should have seen an increase in global temperature over that time of 5%, or about 15°C (27°F). Obviously, there is no sign of this in the geological record.
And it gets worse if we think that there is some mysterious amplification factor of ten regarding the solar strength … because then we should have seen an increase of about 150°C over that time, and that’s a joke.
w.
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Willis,
It might seem to a lot of folks that a one part per 1360 variation of TSI over a solar cycle might be capable of producing a one part per 2800 variation of earth surface temperature, but I am not one of them. A sinusoidal oscillation of ocean temperatures with 0.04 C amplitude can’t be produced with the dinky part of that TSI variation that reaches the surface on average. That is basic calorimetry that I presented in my article of last October.
So the only remaining question is whether or not such a temperature variation exists. In view of my Figure 4, I am inclined to think that it does. I didn’t make up the data of Hadsst3gl or even cherry pick it except to avoid an apparent pre-1954 glitch. (I wanted only recent cycles anyway.)
If cyclically varying cloud cover is the source of a larger variation of solar flux at sea level, it would not necessarily scale up to produce 150 C temperature changes on a geologic time scale. Personal incredulity is not an argument against the mechanism. Leif Svalgaard is similarly incredulous but has never presented an argument that is capable of rejecting the cloud modulation mechanism. His argument fails for a planet with steady TSI (dTSI=0) and cyclical cloud variation (maybe associated with life cycles of cloud eating weevils?). His argument would say that dT = 0 if he opened a parasol and that would be true at the top of the atmosphere but not at sea level.

bones
July 27, 2014 2:46 pm

lgl says:
July 27, 2014 at 3:37 am
For the n-th time, you can not use the last decades for this type of analysis because volcanic activity was almost in phase with solar.
http://virakkraft.com/OHC-change-detrend-Volcanoes.png
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Thank you! I will take a good look at this. If the SST variations are due to volcanoes then the solar amplification link is broken, but the temperature variations would still be quite real.

July 27, 2014 4:16 pm

“What most people don’t realize is that out of the ~1360 W/m2 of total solar irradiance, the variation of the sun’s strength over a typical sunspot cycle is ± 0.5 W/m2. This is a variation of ± 0.04%, FOUR-HUNDREDTHS OF A PERCENT!”
Trace Watts

Chris Magnuson
July 27, 2014 5:17 pm

There is something called the Ideal Gas Law which has THE formula for the temperature of any volume of atmospheric air and it specifically forbids there being an effect on temperature related to spectral response.
The claim of a ‘green house gas’ effect is made by people who can’t explain how they don’t know that.
“I talk a lot online” is not authority. Being able to calculate the temperature of a volume of atmospheric air correctly is authority.
The people who can calculate correctly the temperature of a volume of air use the Law of Physics which forbids there being a class of gases which affect the temperature of atmospheric air
based on their spectral relationship to light.
It’s the end of that claim as soon as someone shows up with it and dares one of the believers in the green house gas effect believers to do some simple gas temperature calculations.

Chris Magnuson
July 27, 2014 5:37 pm

Which is why believers in Green House Gas effect discuss anything but the actual calculation of the temperature of a volume of atmospheric air,
and you never : not ever – see them do it or be around when any such calculation discussions go on.
The Ideal Gas Law by specific application to all gases in atmospheric air, assigns one energy holding capacity;
that energy holding capacity is *identical for CO2, and Methane, and Nitrogen, and Oxygen, Argon.*
In real atmospheric temperature calculations done by real scientists who get repeatable instrument verified answers
there is no such “green house gas” calculation, which is why the believers in it can’t ever provide a formula for it.
It’s junk science which can not stand alonside the mathematical formula specifically forbidding it’s existence.
The Ideal Gas Law’s assignment of energy capacity called the Gas Constant is the mathematical constant that specifically forbids any, and all the claims of temperature based on infrared or any other color light handling by gases.
Go look it up. It’s a fie letter formula that can be thrown onto the desk with any believer of green house gas effect. Give him the instrumental measurements and tell hem to start calculating temperatures of volumes of atmospheric air.
Tell him to show you his calculations allowing for spectral handling.
He’ll have to find a reason to disrupt the situation because there is none.

July 27, 2014 6:01 pm

The optimal Fourier transform (OFT) might be considered a more sophisticated version of the slow Fourier transform. It finds sinusoids in artificial data exactly if the signal-to-noise ratio is low.
The OFT fits the best ten sinusoids at once (that number is an adjustable parameter, but computation time goes up with it), not just one at once like the slow Fourier transform. It then takes those sinusoids away from the signal and repeats, to find the first 100 best sinusoids in the signal. The OFT is derived and explained at
http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/cfa/optimal-fourier-transform.pdf
The spreadsheet with all code and data is
http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/cfa/climate.xlsm.
See the “Transform Lab” sheet, recall HadSST3 or HadCrut4, and recall the cached OFT of each.
The sea surface temperatures, HadSST3 from 1850 to 2013, shows only the following sinusoids near 11 years (with amplitude, phase, and period):
10th biggest, 0.025 deg C, 95 deg, 12.65 years
19th biggest, 0.022 deg C, 272 deg, 10.28 years
66th biggest, 0.008 deg C, 71 deg, 11.95 years
90th biggest, 0.006 deg C, 282 deg, 11.04 years
So it shows a 11 year component of about 0.02C amplitude, even lower than the slow Fourier transform in Figure 4 above.
Similar analysis is contained in the spreadsheet on all the major temperature and solar series, including the global mean surface air temperatures (HadCrtut4, UAH, etc).
This observation led to the notch-delay solar theory, which is described at
http://sciencespeak.com/climate-nd-solar.html.

bones
July 27, 2014 6:02 pm

Chris Magnuson says:
July 27, 2014 at 5:17 pm
There is something called the Ideal Gas Law which has THE formula for the temperature of any volume of atmospheric air and it specifically forbids there being an effect on temperature related to spectral response. . . .
Chris Magnuson says:
July 27, 2014 at 5:37 pm
Which is why believers in Green House Gas effect discuss anything but the actual calculation of the temperature of a volume of atmospheric air,
. . . In real atmospheric temperature calculations done by real scientists who get repeatable instrument verified answers there is no such “green house gas” calculation, which is why the believers in it can’t ever provide a formula for it. . . .
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Chris,
Please take these comments elsewhere. I have spent a lifetime as a physicist and I can tell you that what you have written is simply wrong. Any infrared active molecules such as water vapor or carbon dioxide in air can certainly be heated with electromagnetic radiation. It is comments such as yours that the warmistas try to use to smear all honest skeptics.
Stan Robertson

Editor
July 27, 2014 6:34 pm

Thanks, Stan. I was going to answer him, but you’ve done a better job.
w.

bones
July 27, 2014 8:00 pm

David Evans says:
July 27, 2014 at 6:01 pm
The optimal Fourier transform (OFT) might be considered a more sophisticated version of the slow Fourier transform. It finds sinusoids in artificial data exactly if the signal-to-noise ratio is low. . . . .
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David, Thanks for the information. I will certainly check out the links. I am very curious just what OFT might reveal for Hadsst3gl since Jan 1954. The SlowFT for the whole 150 year period picks out peaks with amplitudes of about 0.035 C for 7.6, 9, and 11.2 year periods and peaks at about 0.05 C in about their 3rd harmonics at 22.4, 27, 32.6 years. I have no idea what that might be telling me. I suspect artifacts of merging segments into a long record.
As Willis suggested, it may also be the case that all that I found in Figure 4 were artifacts of a similar nature. Or perhaps, as lgl said, there has been a coincidence of solar cycle periods and periodic volcanic eruptions. (That might be more credible than cloud eating weevils.) Honest efforts will eventually sort all of this out. In the meantime my previous calorimetry calculations make it crystal clear that TSI variations alone could only drive ocean temperature oscillations with an amplitude of about 0.01 C.

ren
July 27, 2014 10:20 pm

Willis I speak only that the changes in ozone over the polar circles lead to strong cooling of the oceans. Therefore, there will be fewer hurricanes.
http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/70hPa/orthographic=-135.55,-55.00,481

ren
July 27, 2014 11:51 pm
Stephen Wilde
July 28, 2014 12:38 am

I don’t think Chris Magnusen was denying that infra red active molecules can be heated by electromagnetic radiation.
The point is that the operation of the Gas Laws ensures that densities change with such heating and the subsequent convection rearranges the positions of those heated molecules along the lapse rate slope so that there need be no change in surface temperature.
Hence the fact of our well recognised and useful Standard Atmosphere.

wildeco2014
July 28, 2014 1:12 am

ren says:
July 27, 2014 at 10:20 pm
“Willis I speak only that the changes in ozone over the polar circles lead to strong cooling of the oceans. Therefore, there will be fewer hurricanes.”
I agree with ren.
More ozone in the stratosphere above the poles warms the stratosphere and pushes down tropopause height.
That enables more frequent pulses of cold air towards the equator.
Since the length of the lines of air mass mixing is increased thus causing more clouds along the more meridional jet stream tracks less solar energy gets into the oceans to drive hurricane formation.
That proposition is consistent with Stan’s observations.

Stephen Wilde
July 28, 2014 1:14 am

Whoops, used the wrong WordPress account. No intent to deceive.

Stephen Wilde
July 28, 2014 3:02 am

Stan needs the Gas Laws to work as they do in order to achieve the global cloudiness changes referred to in his article.
Only by expansion or contraction of the stratosphere relative to the troposphere differing at different latitudes can the necessary shifts in the climate zones be achieved and it is those shifts that cause cloudiness changes globally. Those changes are caused by top down solar effects.
Willis needs the Gas Laws to work as they do in order to achieve the changes in emergent phenomena that enable his thermostat hypothesis to work.
Only by differential expansion and contraction can density variations in the horizontal plane lead to the changes in convection that alter the timing and vigour of emergent phenomena locally and regionally. Those changes are caused by bottom up oceanic effects.
Climate change is the result of the ever varying net interplay between the top down solar and bottom up oceanic effects.

July 28, 2014 7:47 am

David Evans says:
July 27, 2014 at 6:01 pm
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I use spectral analysis developed some years ago for electronic communication signals.
Using NOAA annual data for the global temperatures (land & ocean) , I limited the spectrum components to one decimal point (on account of using annual not monthly data). Contribution of individual components in the sunspot cycle range is about half or less than one at the Hale cycle.