What Slow Fourier Transforms can tell us.
Guest essay by Stan Robertson, Ph.D., P.E.
On May 3, 2014, an article on WUWT by Willis Eschenbach entitled, The Slow Fourier Transform (SFT) was posted. As he noted, the amplitude of the Slow Fourier Transform components are in the same units as the fitted data, intervals of arbitrary length and irregular data can be used and periodicities rather than frequencies are automatically extracted. In addition to rediscovering a very useful mathematical tool, Willis went on to show that there were apparently no variations of temperature associated with solar cycle variations for several long term temperature records. Now my normal inclination would be to say that if Willis didn’t find any there probably aren’t many to be found. But, on the other hand, as I showed in an October 10, 2013 WUWT article entitled The Sun Does It: Now Go Figure Out How!, it does not take much of a temperature variation to represent a very significant solar contribution to ocean surface temperatures and heat content.
Several researchers, including Nir Shaviv (2008), Roy Spencer (see http://www.drroyspencer.com/2010/06/low-climate-sensitivity-estimated-from-the-11-year-cycle-in-total-solar-irradiance/) and Zhou & Tung (2010) have found that ocean surface temperatures oscillate with an amplitude of about 0.04 – 0.05 oC during a solar cycle. Using 150 years of sea surface temperature data, Zhou & Tung found 0.085 oC warming for each watt/m2 of increase of TSI over a solar cycle.
In my previous article, I showed that the changes of Total Solar Irradiance (TSI) over a solar cyle were too small, by at least a factor of 3.6, to cause temperature oscillations with an amplitude of 0.04 C. Since the variations of temperature considered were clearly associated with solar cycles, it seemed to me that the sun does something more to change ocean surface temperatures than just vary its TSI. But the whole idea would fall apart if there really are no significant variations of ocean temperature correlated with solar cycles. That motivated me to look in places where Willis had not and, in particular, to look at shorter and more recent temperature records that might be both more accurate and with better distribution over the ocean surfaces.
I downloaded the HADSST3 global sea surface temperature raw data (http://woodfortrees.org/plot/hadsst3gl ) and took a look at the data since 1954. This covers 60 years of data and about five and one half solar cycles. To get an idea of what sort of noise would be in these data, I fitted the sea surface temperatures to a cubic polynomial just to get rid of most of the systematic variations. The figure below shows a plot of the residuals for the last 60 years.
Figure 1 HADSST3GL residuals for the last 60 years
If we are looking for variations of about 0.04 C amplitude over the 5.5 solar cycles in the time period shown, then with apparently random variations of about 0.3 C amplitude in the record, the signal to noise ratio would be about 0.04 / 0.3 = 0.13. This would be a signal a long way down in the noise. So the question is, can we extract such a signal with a Slow Fourier Transform? To answer this question, I adopted Willis’ lovely SFT technique. I generated some test monthly data for a 60 year interval consisting of sine waves with a 10 year period plus monthly random noise in the range of +/-0.5 C. The slow FT results for waves with amplitude of 0.15 C, 0.1 C and 0.05 C would have signal to noise ratios of 0.3, 0.2 and 0.1, respectively. The results are shown in Figure 2.
Figure 2. Slow FT for test sine waves with 10 year period for a sixty year interval; 6 cycles.
As one might expect, the random variations would have both short period and long period apparent periodicities as shown in Figure 2. At a signal to noise ratio of 0.2 (blue line), or larger, the signal buried in the noise can be nicely extracted by the Slow FT. At a signal to noise ratio of 0.1, and none of the other curves to aid the eye, you might just have to believe that there might be a signal with a 10 year period. It is hardly bigger than the spurious noise peaks. Of course, there are much more sophisticated signal extraction processes than the Slow Fourier Transform. From comments that I have seen here on WUWT, there are some sharp readers around who could surely teach us some lessons. It might be expecting too much to see such a small signal in the noisy sea surface temperature data with an SFT method. But it is worth noting that in each of the test cases, the Slow FT peaks at 10 yr are smaller than the amplitudes that generated the test data by about ten to twenty percent with worse results at lower signal to noise ratios.
Since it is pretty clear that we will be looking for a small signal in a lot of noise, we probably ought to see where to look. A slow FT of the SIDC sunspot numbers for the years since 1954 shows a peak at 10.8 years as shown in Figure 3.
Figure 3. Slow FT for SIDC sunspot numbers 1954 – 2014
Now let’s have a look at the Slow FT for the sea surface temperature data. The average was subtracted to help suppress spurious long periods, but no smoothing was applied.
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Figure 4 Slow FT for HADSST3gl sea surface temperatures
I leave it to the readers to decide whether or not there is a solar cycle signal in the HADSST3gl sea surface temperature record. Considering that the slow FT tends to understate the actual signal amplitude at low signal to noise ratios, I think that this might be a credible detection of a solar cycle driven temperature variation at a 10.4 year period with a signal to noise ratio of at least 0.065 C/ 0.3 C = 0.22.
For the remainder of this essay, I would like to extend and recapitulate some of my previous findings. The prevailing view in climate science is that the sun has contributed very little, if anything, to the warming of the last century. Finding that ocean temperatures are affected during solar cycles to a much larger degree than can be explained by the small changes of solar irradiance that reach the sea surfaces is a huge challenge to the prevailing view, but it rests on some bedrock physics. A detailed accounting for energy exchanges, including thermal energies is as fundamental as it gets.
I was able to account for the long term secular trends of both the sea surface temperature changes AND the ocean heat content since 1965 with a linearly increasing rate of surface heating. This involved numerically solving some heat transfer equations, including the absorption of solar energy, but it provided a simple, two parameter simultaneous fit to the sea surface temperature record AND the ocean heat content record. The two parameters found were a rate of increase of surface heat input of 0.31 watt/m2 per decade and an average thermal diffusivity of the upper oceans of 1 cm2/s. A fairly good fit to both trends was obtained as shown in Figure 5.
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Figure 5. Measured and Calculated Sea Surface Temperature and Ocean Heat Content
A good fit was obtainable only for very narrow ranges of parameters. If the thermal diffusivity is taken to be too large, too much heat would be calculated for the ocean depths and surface temperatures would rise too little as the heat moves on to greater depths. If too small, the reverse occurs. If the input heating rate is too large, both rise too rapidly and if too small, both rise too little. The point of this exercise was to obtain a thermal diffusivity that could then be used to tell us how much surface temperature change could be produced by the changes of solar irradiance that occur during solar cycles. The answer is that the small variations of solar irradiance that reach the sea surfaces are far too small to produce temperature oscillations of even 0.04 C amplitude, much less the 0.065 watt/m2 amplitude suggested by Figure 4.
By the same computer program that I had used for my previous WUWT article, I have found that the amplitude of oscillating heat flux entering the ocean that would be required to produce surface temperature oscillations with the Figure 4 amplitude of 0.065 C would be 0.47 watt/m2 for thermal diffusivity of 1 cm2/s. How does this compare to the oscillating flux of solar radiation that reaches the sea surface? Let’s have a look at the solar irradiance changes over solar cycles. Figure 6 shows that TSI varies approximately sinusoidally over recent solar cycles with an amplitude of about 0.5 watt/m2 . (Thanks to Leif Svalgaard for TSI data.)
Figure 6 TSI variations for a few recent solar cyles.
As explained in my previous WUWT post, about 70% of one fourth of this amplitude, or 0.0875 watt/m2 enters the troposphere averaged over the earth area and day-night cycles. About
(160 watt/m2 /1365 watt/m^2) X 0.5 watt/m^2 = 0.0586 Watt/m2 is absorbed at the surface at wavelengths below 2 micron. About half the difference between the 0.0875 and 0.0586 watt/m2 reaches the surface at longer wavelengths and after scattering in the atmosphere. This give a solar TSI amplitude of 0.073 watt/m2 that is absorbed at the sea surface. This is about 6.4 times smaller than the 0.47 watt/m2 amplitude needed to drive surface temperature oscillations of 0.065 C. This result is in better agreement with the larger factors of 5 – 7 found by Shaviv (2008) ( see http://www.sciencebits.com/files/articles/CalorimeterFinal.pdf)
It is of some interest that my results were obtained without assuming any particular depth of an ocean mixing layer. For a thermal diffusivity of 1 cm2/s, the contribution to thermal gradients that vary with the solar cycle below the first ten meters would be much less than 0.001 C/m anyway. I saw no need to introduce a mixing zone with zero gradients and an arbitrary depth boundary.
This leaves us with a clear result that the TSI variations during solar cycles are not the direct drivers of the associated ocean temperature oscillations. Something else that varies with the solar cycles affects the amount of heat flux that penetrates the ocean surfaces. In my opinion, the most likely candidate would be cyclical variations of global cloud cover, but the mechanism that would control it is presently a research topic. Whatever the mechanism of the larger heating variations, it seems quite possible that it might be capable of producing long term secular trends under the control of the sun in addition to variations over solar cycles.
To examine this point, go back to the result shown in Figure 5. The heat flux required to account for the trends of increasing sea surface temperature and ocean heat content had to increase by 0.31 watt/m2/decade. Could this be due to greenhouse gases? CO2 is supposed to produce heating at a rate of about 3.7 watt/m2 per doubling period of its concentration. With concentration increasing at a rate of about 5% per decade, the doubling time would be about 14 decades. Since the heating effect is a logarithmic function of concentration, this would produce a linear heating at a rate of 3.7/14 = 0.26 watt/m2 per decade. This is certainly in the right ballpark to be part of the explanation of the apparent surface heating of the last few decades, however, when we recall that sulfate aerosols with negating effects would partially counter the CO2, it seems to me unlikely that CO2 is the entire explanation. Considering the similar period of rapid warming in the first half of the last century and the presently expanding and embarrassing pause of temperature increases, it seems to me that there is ample room for a significant solar contribution to the longer term warming periods. So I still think that the sun does a lot of it and I would still like to know how. Climate scientists would be well advised to spend some time trying to find out.
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JoNova territorial hissy fit yet?
One guy added NOTCH.
Weirdo.
Wiggle matching is the sound of waves on a beach. Everything just fits!
Yeah, man, just look at that sky.
vukcevic says:
July 26, 2014 at 1:43 pm
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Nice chart, thanks for sharing. I should have ended my last comment with ” will the next 5 solar minimums all have a larger ‘footprint’ at minimum? Meaning will we have 5 solar cycles worth of cooler climate? Then there is that potential for the extra ingredient of a deeper than normal minimum coming from the right conjunction of events, ie…solar down, oceans cool, and polar changes as main contributors.
Paul Homewood is right. You need to start before 1998 or after 2000 to avoid the Nino/Nina whipsaw. Anything in between in a cherrypick. (Anthony is using a pro-warming cherrypick startpoint.)
Thanks Stan and all for a terrific symposium on the subject. This thread reads like roundtable give and take with exchanges of thoughts and criticisms – cooperative offerings of data files, codes, tweaks and alternatives to analytical approaches in a polite gathering of deeply knowledgeable proponents . Even Willis shows up on cue to contribute. I’ve known for a long time Pamela is smart, but I’m impressed with the dimensions of her knowledge and ideas on this gritty specialized subject (my fondness for redheads has nothing to do with this opinion!). This is how science would be taught in a perfect world. A classy piece of work this thread.
Thanks for the kind words Gary. Weather and climate is my lifelong hobby and I am such a nerd about it. But I am not nearly as schooled as other professional and amateur informative scientists who contribute posts and comments here at WUWT. The honor goes to them as I am only a grasshopper. I have spent pleasurable hours and hours learning a great deal from the likes of Anth***, Willis, Bob Tisdale, and Leif.
Fig 1 looks very much like a chart of rolling averages of random numbers.
Several researchers, including Nir Shaviv (2008), Roy Spencer (see http://www.drroyspencer.com/2010/06/low-climate-sensitivity-estimated-from-the-11-year-cycle-in-total-solar-irradiance/) and Zhou & Tung (2010) have found that ocean surface temperatures oscillate with an amplitude of about 0.04 – 0.05 oC during a solar cycle.
As seen in Roy Spencer’s article, his first graph “Estimating Climate Sensitivity from the Solar Cycle in Total Solar Irradiance” lists as source a Judith Lean TSI reconstruction. In the text this is described as using the TSI variations from a Tung & Camp paper he was referred to, href=”http://www.amath.washington.edu/research/articles/Tung/journals/solar-jgr.pdf” rel=”nofollow”>Solar-Cycle Warming at the Earth’s Surface and an Observational Determination of Climate Sensitivity. They credit Judith Lean for providing her UV and TSI reconstructions, references list Lean et al 1995 “Reconstruction of Solar Irradiance since 1610 – Implications for Climate-Change” and two 2005 papers, a Lean and a Lean et al.
The Lean TSI reconstructions are discredited and not to be used, even Lean agrees they are wrong, which includes Lean 2000 and a Lean and Wang 2005 version. A major part of the reasons is href=”http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/06/28/a-cool-question-answered/#comment-1672049″ rel=”nofollow”>. There is also an issue about adding in a “background” based on the sunspot cycle, which is an error.
Since Tung was using Lean in the Tung & Camp paper which Spencer referenced, and it is likely Lean was also used in Zhou & Tung 2010 (I will likely be corrected if wrong), that’s 2/3 of the cited previous “evidence” of such a small signal already effectively blown away.
Ah good, Nir Shaviv 2008 is available href=”http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2007JA012989/abstract” rel=”nofollow”free open access and complete. And what is that in the References… It’s Lean 2000!
You need better examples of researchers who have found this tiny solar signal, who are not sharing the same flaws. I cannot now see any of those you cited as acceptable, thus your evidence that others have found as you are claiming is insufficient, and perhaps actually non-existent.
[Request you check links. .mod]
“It would not surprise me to find a delayed correlation such as the one found by Solheim et al., in which temperature trends correlated with solar activity and length of solar cycle delayed by a cycle period. On that basis, they predicted cooling for Norway during solar cycle 24 due to the short cycle 23.”
” Correlations with time lag
As a background for the investigation of possible relations between SCL and temperature in sunspot periods, we determined the correlation between SCL and temperature for variable lags of an 11-year time window. We calculated 11 year running mean temperatures for the selected datasets, and correlated this with the SCL with lags from 0 to 13 years, calculated from the middle time for each solar cycle. The starting point could also have been chosen as the year of solar maximum or the end year of the sunspot cycle. However, we selected the middle time, since this gave the possibility to check correlations with the same sunspot cycle (lag=0).”
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1364682612000417
Oh noes! In my last comment I screwed up my formatting of the OP quote while killing the auto-URL WP function to stay under the 3-URL-max no-moderation limit! Whatever shall I do?
Stop trying to do it like others and just blockquote a large chunk and preface with a “From the article:” note, next time and afterwards, which I know works. I should be old enough to know to go with functional over fancy and/or following questionable practices, italics-only quoting can get messy and make it hard to keep track. Doofus!
[Well, they’re there someplace, but I can’t figure them out. 8<) .mod]
From Schrodinger’s Cat on July 26, 2014 at 2:03 pm:
You need to hang around Leif Svalgaard’s site and check out the work on the new sunspot number:
http://leif.org/research/
Basically, the Group Sunspot Number is crap, and the pre-1947 (or 1945) International (aka SIDC) SSN were too low, there is no Modern Grand Maximum. You can see the effect on the popular “Leif’s best guess TSI reconstruction” graph:
http://leif.org/research/TSI-Reconstruction-2014.png
As the 1950-2000 period was in reality not noticeably different from previous times in SSN and TSI, you should not look to the Sun as a driver of increased global warmth during that period.
“In addition to the relation between solar cycle length and the amplitude of the next Rmax, it is reasonable to expect a time lag for the locations investigated, since heat from the Sun, amplified by various mechanisms, is stored in the ocean mainly near the Equator, and transported into the North Atlantic by the Gulf Stream to the coasts of Northern Europe. An example of time lags along the Norwegian coast is an advective delay between the Faroe-Shetland Channel and the Barents Sea of about 2 years determined from sea temperature measurements (Yndestad et al., 2008).”
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1364682612000417
Gulf Stream current.
http://earth.nullschool.net/#2014/07/12/0000Z/ocean/surface/currents/orthographic=-33.11,48.14,729
Found in kadaka (KD Knoebel) on July 26, 2014 at 11:17 pm, a previous comment of mine:
and also found in my July 26, 2014 at 11:35 pm comment:
Ack!! What did you do to my 11:17pm post, it’s a mess!
I was ready at 11:35 to leave it like it was, but for what you have done…
Here is the fixed version, what should have been at 11:17pm, formatting fixed, just needed some open/close tags flipped in first paragraph:
Several researchers, including Nir Shaviv (2008), Roy Spencer (see http://www.drroyspencer.com/2010/06/low-climate-sensitivity-estimated-from-the-11-year-cycle-in-total-solar-irradiance/) and Zhou & Tung (2010) have found that ocean surface temperatures oscillate with an amplitude of about 0.04 – 0.05 oC during a solar cycle.
As seen in Roy Spencer’s article, his first graph “Estimating Climate Sensitivity from the Solar Cycle in Total Solar Irradiance” lists as source a Judith Lean TSI reconstruction. In the text this is described as using the TSI variations from a Tung & Camp paper he was referred to, Solar-Cycle Warming at the Earth’s Surface and an Observational Determination of Climate Sensitivity. They credit Judith Lean for providing her UV and TSI reconstructions, references list Lean et al 1995 “Reconstruction of Solar Irradiance since 1610 – Implications for Climate-Change” and two 2005 papers, a Lean and a Lean et al.
The Lean TSI reconstructions are discredited and not to be used, even Lean agrees they are wrong, which includes Lean 2000 and a Lean and Wang 2005 version. A major part of the reasons is here. There is also an issue about adding in a “background” based on the sunspot cycle, which is an error.
Since Tung was using Lean in the Tung & Camp paper which Spencer referenced, and it is likely Lean was also used in Zhou & Tung 2010 (I will likely be corrected if wrong), that’s 2/3 of the cited previous “evidence” of such a small signal already effectively blown away.
Ah good, Nir Shaviv 2008 is available free open access and complete. And what is that in the References… It’s Lean 2000!
You need better examples of researchers who have found this tiny solar signal, who are not sharing the same flaws. I cannot now see any of those you cited as acceptable, thus your evidence that others have found as you are claiming is insufficient, and perhaps actually non-existent.
Unfortunately most reading this blog will ignore your comment. Funnily enough, if you’d posted a similar comment on a warmist blog they would also have ignored it because the CAGW crowd rely on the Lean reconstruction in order to explain the early 20th century warming.
For the n-th time, you can not use the last decades for this type of analysis because volcanic activity was almost in phase with solar.
http://virakkraft.com/OHC-change-detrend-Volcanoes.png
This article demonstrates how little we know. The question you pose and your suspicion that solar radiation plays a larger role than generally accepted has an intuitive feel for me, but then my intuition is often wrong. From what I can tell, the physics of radiation do seem to be poorly incorporated into climate models. As many visiting the WUWT may not have a radiation physics background, perhaps you could do a little basic education based on following. Going back to the basics always helps me.
1) Available Energy > the TSI provides us with a measure of the incoming energy, but does not tell us how that energy is deposited (absorbed) or distributed in the environment.
2) TSI measurement techniques/equipment > the question I have had for a long time is – are we measuring all of the available incoming energy and incorporating it in the TSI? The electromagnetic spectrum (EMS) is not the only source of available incoming energy, notably high energy particles being another source. Are EMS wavelengths shorter than 10E-12 measured and how so? We get a lot of those high energy photons and the energy transfer mechanisms are complex with the energy often going into the disruption of a nucleus that does not necessarily compute to eventual heat or radiation transfer. I have gathered that the entire EMS is measured with the TSI, but could use a confirmation of this. My root question is – are we missing something in our measurement of the TSI? I have a lot of faith in guys like Leif, but I still have in me a little of the Missouri “Show Me” and could use some reassurance on this topic.
3) Energy transfer > this is where I suspect we have the least knowledge due to the complexity of trying to figure out all the possible routes of energy depositions and energy conservation that eventually lead to what we call heat or lack thereof. We can readily observe the outcome with our thermometers and calorimeters. However different routes of energy deposition at specific wavelengths or particle energies could have an impact on the eventual outcome of greater, or lesser, molecular excitation. I wonder how much work we have put into this arena of study. As you noted, cloud cover and aerosols (just to name a couple things) will impact the energy transfer especially with re-radiated EMS that could be lost to space. These factors greatly complicate the whole energy conservation thing.
It takes a pretty big jar of hubris to think we have even the slightest clue yet.
Record ice in July in the south.
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/antarctic.sea.ice.interactive.html
bones & Pamela Gray
.”….inertia….. calculated over hundreds of years long.”
Thinking in these very long term ways has to be the key to unraveling this huge mystery of our climate. I could never understand why any solar change would have to show up in an immediate change of global temperatures. There have to be lag upon lag upon lag of unknown variables of unknown dimensions over unknown time scales.
Puzzles for the coming century. I love your very long term thinking.
Changes to the sunspot record doesn’t make the kind of difference to solar analyses that some here are claiming, and definitely doesn’t change the fact that the sun causes warming and cooling cycles.
kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:
July 27, 2014 at 1:02 am
“As the 1950-2000 period was in reality not noticeably different from previous times in SSN and TSI, you should not look to the Sun as a driver of increased global warmth during that period.”
The sunspot record from 1950-2000 included most of the highest solar cycle activity levels ever observed and recorded. The comment qouted here ignores both the direct solar heating influence from those higher than average cycles, and also the heat storage and lagged release from the same solar influence during the period.
The bias on display here: “you should not look to the Sun”, is holding up progress.
Bob Weber says:
July 27, 2014 at 5:53 am
Bob, I have looked for the 11-year cycle in a whole host of datasets, without success.
I have also noted that during both the Maunder and Dalton minima, the temperatures started rising well BEFORE the succeeding increase in sunspots/TSI. This casts great doubt on the sun being the cause of the temperature drop.
Now, people have explained away the first finding by saying (as you do) that it has to do with the lags in the system.
However, that makes the situation with the Dalton and Maunder minima worse, not better. If there is such a lag, the drops in temperature should occur well AFTER the drop in sunspots/TSI … but they don’t …
Regards,
w.
PS—You say:
My friend, I have “looked to the sun” more than just about anyone I know … the problem is not lack of looking.
The problem is, I haven’t found any evidence to support the claim that minor variations in TSI have an effect on the climate, and much evidence that there is no such effect.
Condition of the Gulf Stream on the day of 27/07/2014.
http://pl.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=egodg8&s=8#.U9UIOVV_suo
sleepingbear dunes says:
July 27, 2014 at 5:50 am
” I could never understand why any solar change would have to show up in an immediate change of global temperatures. ”
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Changes in insolation show up very quickly in temperatures. Think of the difference between winter and summer temps as latitude increases. However at the equator, the temperature difference is negligible. So clearly it is insolation that rules not tiny differences is TSI.
“However, that makes the situation with the Dalton and Maunder minima worse, not better. If there is such a lag, the drops in temperature should occur well AFTER the drop in sunspots/TSI ”
Not if the ocean cycles are dominant.
One could well envisage that a positive ocean phase started warming the air before solar activity began to recover at the end of the Maunder and Dalton.
Likewise a negative ocean phase would start cooling the air before a drop in solar activity
Sometimes the oceans are in phase with solar activity and sometimes out of phase with it.
It is clear that “warming” is shifted north of the equator.
http://weather.unisys.com/surface/sst_anom.gif
Oceans are defending themselves, but until the.
Condition of the Gulf Stream on 07/27/2014.
http://oi57.tinypic.com/egodg8.jpg