Contradictory contest criteria have been rectified via Keating “clarification” 
Guest post by Alec Rawls
At first glance retired physics teacher Christopher Keating’s challenge appears to be an obvious bait and switch. It opens as an invitation to “global warming skeptics” who charge that “the science doesn’t support claims of man-made climate change.” The central “claim of man-made climate change” is the IPCC’s assertion in AR5 that: “It is extremely likely that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century” (AR5 WGI SPM p. 17, upped from “very likely” in AR4 and “likely” in the Third Area Report). So wait a minute. All we have to do is demonstrate that this assertion of great certainty that human activity caused most late 20th century warming is clearly unsupported by the available reason and evidence and Keating will give us $30,000? That is easily done. But then the first stated rule of his contest asserts a very different criterion:
1. I will award $30,000 of my own money to anyone that can prove, via the scientific method, that man-made global climate change is not occurring.
Ridiculous. There is hardly a skeptic alive who doesn’t think that human activity is causing some climate change, and in particular, some amount of warming. The question is whether one accepts the IPCC’s claim of extreme certainty that the human release of greenhouse gases is responsible for most late 20th century warming, and is on course to cause a dangerous amount of warming over the next century. Skeptics see this as unlikely, or as unsupported by the evidence, but it all comes down to the size of the human warming effect.
So Keating is putting forward two completely different criteria for gauging human influence on climate, one that pretty much all skeptics reject and one that pretty much all skeptics accept, and he is treating them as interchangeable. This raises an obvious suspicion.
When nobody can prove NO human-caused warming, will Keating claim vindication for the IPCC’s claim that MOST warming was human caused?
It would be a very crude switch, conflating two very different scientific positions, but we have been down this road several times already. Remember the bogus “consensus” study by Doran and Zimmerman that failed to distinguish skeptic from consensoid views, thereby lumping skeptics into their proclaimed “consensus”? According to their press release:
Two questions were key: have mean global temperatures risen compared to pre-1800s levels, and has human activity been a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures.
About 90 percent of the scientists agreed with the first question and 82 percent the second.
Wait, one in ten scientists don’t think global temperatures have risen since 1800? That’s actually a pretty amazing lack of consensus, but on the role of human activity, there are very few on the skeptic side who would say that human effects are insignificant, thus their real finding is that 82 percent of scientists can be categorized as either skeptics or consensoids. They hadn’t distinguished the actual competing viewpoints at all, but they pretended they had, and declared the science settled:
…the debate on the authenticity of global warming and the role played by human activity is largely nonexistent among those who understand the nuances and scientific basis of long-term climate processes.
Ditto for Cook et al. 2013. As documented by Legates, Soon, Briggs and Monckton, the Cook study’s own raters found that only 0.5% of the climate science abstracts they examined supported the IPCC “consensus” position that most recent warming was caused by human activity. To claim a 97% consensus they added this 0.5% figure together with the numbers of abstracts that support weaker claims of some human influence, positions that encompass virtually all skeptics. From Christopher Monckton:
In defiance of the evidence recorded in their own data file, they had then explicitly stated, both in their article and in a subsequent article, that 97.1% had endorsed the IPCC’s proposition.
Again and again the alarmists try to pull off this trick, fabricating a phony “consensus” on the IPCC position by falsely classifying those who reject the IPCC’s position as supportive of it, and the yawning slip between Keating’s cup and his lip seems to be an obvious set-up for more of the same, which must have put off many of the skeptics who came across Keating’s challenge. It certainly put me off.
I belatedly looked further only because these bait and switches have been turning into big propaganda battles and I figured it might be worth getting ahead of this one. That’s when I came across Keating’s clarification page, where he promises to fork over the money to anyone who can prove that the available scientific reason and evidence do not support the IPCC’s claim of extreme certainty that most recent warming human caused.
Okay, that changes things. If these are the terms then Keating deserves to be taken seriously, not in any expectation that he would ever pay up, but because he might be an honest man who has simply never been properly exposed to the skeptic side. Of course that would have been self-selected but he is now self-forcing himself to engage with skeptic views and if he really is an honest man the result could be interesting.
Keating’s “clarification” page
Numerous commenters complained to Keating that there was no way to win his challenge because he was demanding proof of a negative: that human activity has no effect on climate (a negative that no skeptic ever claimed). This is what spawned his clarification page, where he lists “two different ways” that skeptics can win, with “Option #1” being:
The basic tenets of AGW are these two IPCC conclusions:
It is extremely likely (95-100%) that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century.
Climate sensitivity is likely in the range 1.5°C to 4.5°C and extremely unlikely (95-100%) less than 1°C.
So if someone was able to scientifically disprove these two extremely likely / unlikely statements, then that should suffice.
To “scientifically disprove” the IPCC claims of extreme certainty is to prove that they are not scientifically justified. It doesn’t mean proving that human activity did not cause most post 50’s warming. It just means proving that the available reason and evidence does not justify any high degree of certainty about the latest warming being mostly human-caused. “Proof” is generally not easy to come by in science but this one is easy, on multiple grounds.
So now we have a challenge worth answering, an opportunity to turn Keating’s publicity ploy into a positive episode for skeptic understanding. His clarification also means that his challenge needs to be taken seriously as a threat. Right on his clarification page, before anyone had seen it, Keating was already crowing how nobody could show that the IPCC’s radical attribution claims are rejected by science:
So, there you go. I set the challenge up to favor the deniers and have now even produced two separate ways they can win.
And, yet, THE DENIERS STILL CAN’T PRODUCE.
Oh yes we can. Keating is one of those “believers” who flings the “denier” label like plosive spittle, and having changed his contest rules to be able to more legitimately claim to that he is vindicating the IPCC’s most unscientific excesses he needs to be shadowed henceforth by an unrebuttable insistence that HE OWES US MONEY. Then he can raise the subject as much as he wants.
Keating’s contradictory statements about skeptic views prove that he’s never thought this through
How else could a physicist make the following contradictory statements about skeptic views, issued almost in sequence on his “clarification” page? First he is stunned by all the people trying to let him know that skeptics generally do agree that human release of greenhouse gases does cause warming:
Some have even gone so far as to claim that no one has ever denied that man made global warming is not real. I swear, I didn’t make that last statement up. This is such a brazen lie that I wonder if the people saying this have lost touch with reality. Seriously, I wonder if they have lost touch with the real world. One question to those people, if deniers have never said man made global warming is not real, then just what have you guys been saying all this time? There is a long record of your statements about how global warming is a fraud, etc. Once again, if you don’t like being held accountable for what you say, stop saying it.
No distinction between people causing some warming and people causing most warming, even though he is responding to people who are pressing him on this very point. It’s like the idea is so new to him that he can’t get his head around it. Then at the end of his “option 1” he includes this little admission, perhaps in response to his recent forced engagement with actual skeptic views:
That said, the climate debate has shifted a bit over the past decades I’ve following it into at least “skeptics” grudgingly accepting (1) that the planet is actually warming [that should be “was actually warming”] and (2) the physics behind sensitivity excluding feedbacks being 1.1°C.
On the CO2 forcing effect it isn’t the debate that has shifted, only Keating’s awareness of it, and he must have only learned very recently (not “over the decades”) about the broad agreement among skeptics and consensoids alike that a doubling of CO2 should cause a temperature forcing of about 1°C. How else could he have been flabbergasted just a few paragraphs above by the idea of skeptics who do not deny that human activity causes warming?
So we’re talking about a babe-in-arms here. This senior citizen baby is unaware that the actual debate is over the size of the feedback effect and whether it is positive or negative. He has certainly never thought through the implications of agreement on CO2 forcing. So what to do with our senior baby?
I’m going to give him two answers. A little later I will post a “taking Keating seriously part 2” that recounts a few of the prima facie ways that the IPCC’s radical attribution claims are highly unscientific, as pointed out by numerous people in recent years. Then early next week I will post part 3, detailing a train of specific unscientific and anti-scientific steps in the IPCC analysis that render it not just scientifically invalid but properly classify it as a hoax and a fraud.
I documented two years ago how the First Order Draft of AR5 was marred by systematic “omitted variable fraud.” That critique is past due for an update and Keating’s challenge is a good second bird to kill with the same stone.
“all time scales” – apart from the last 150 years.
John Finn, wrong.
As you can see in that chart, CO2 follows T, right up to the present time.
I understand why you don’t want to admit that ∆T is the cause of ∆CO2. If you admit that evidence, it contradicts the CO2=AGW conjecture.
Richard Verney: A very nice summary indeed, and a breath of sanity. It’s a favourite observation of mine that we have been told that ‘pre-industrial’ levels of CO2 were 280ppm, now it’s about 400. That’s an increase of almost 43%.
The Central England Temperature Record (CET) tells us that in 1900 the average temperature was 9.56 C, and in 2013 it was, wait for it, 9.56 C!
In between of course, there have been warmer and cooler average years (but never ever reaching 11 C anywhere in the record). These averages don’t of course tell us anything about the year’s weather.
As you say, a bit of warming isn’t climate change. I’m 65 years old, and have lived in the UK for all of those years. The climate hasn’t changed. Warm summers, cool summers, cold winters – and so on, there’s nothing new here.
‘The Weather of Britain’ by meteorologist Robin Stirling is a fascinating book – highly recommended!
My comments on Keating’s challenge were too long (because they included two relatively long quotes) to include on this thread and I wanted to have them as a reference, so I wrote them up as a blog post:
http://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/2014/07/26/on-keatings-challenge/
Bottom line: Keating’s challenge is a waste of your time.
A warming world is a world that grows ever greener. Plant life likes “warm”. Since plants give off CO2 as part of their living we should expect more CO2 to be produced in a warming world. As Richard pointed out, this is seen in the record at all time scales.
Mankind’s activities release a tiny bit of the CO2 that mother nature has stored up over the epochs. (sequestered is the sciency term) I have seen no credible evidence that the sensitivity to CO2 by this planet’s climate is different from zero by an amount large enough to measure.
I think that the following link to a post at Europe’s best weblog of 2014 is worth anyone’s time to read. (and the comments by various people are just as good as the post) http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2014/07/17/what-back-radiation-does-and-doesnt-do/
Climate “science” will never recover from the debacle of the last 30 years until it stops the war on CO2.
Mods
I do try to avoid any words that would cause my comments to go to moderation. Could you please tell me what it was about this comment that got it moderated?
TIA ~ Mark
A sucker’s challenge made by a lying cheat. What could go wrong with that?
jimmi-the-dalek writes “Oh yes they have. There are those who say the Greenhouse Effect does not exist e.g. the “Slayers””
Fair enough, there are extremists who don’t agree with any of the science. Even the science which is pretty robust. But by the same token the are extremists on the AGW side too. After all James Hansen has stated that we could be on the verge of runaway warming leading to Venus-like conditions.
So I’ll see your fringe “sceptics” and raise you an alarmist scientist.
How long is this competition open for???
Wait for the Negative PDO and AMO to take full effect in the next 10 to 15 years………
“I do try to avoid any words that would cause my comments to go to moderation. ”
It’s pretty hard to discuss anything that Keating says without hitting moderations because he manages to get the D-word into just about every sentence. Suggest editing his words with a spelling change: eg ” Keating is an anti-science, natural variation deenier”
In fact the guy’s a bigot, best to ignore his flase challenge and all the garbage he spouts.
I tried to post a comment at Keating’s joke site but no comments are allowed.
I wanted to ask him a simple question which was for him to name the deniers who state that mankind has no influence on climate. I doubt whether he has a pot yo piss in hence he’s defence lawyer, judge and jury in his own specious case.
Empty vessels make the most noise
Prof. Keating
You said:
“It is extremely likely (95-100%) that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century. Climate sensitivity is likely in the range 1.5°C to 4.5°C and extremely unlikely (95-100%) less than 1°C. So if someone was able to scientifically disprove these two extremely likely / unlikely statements, then that should suffice.”
Take a refresher course on physical science particularly the scientific method. You don’t know what you’re talking about. You need to prove, not disprove, the above statements. I correctly predicted the outcome of a coin toss. I challenge you to disprove my ESP power. Anybody can replicate my feat but that does not disprove my ESP. It only proved it can be done by chance.
Dr. Strangelove:
re your post at July 26, 2014 at 4:10 am.
Scientists do not try to “prove” anything because they cannot.
Scientists seek the closest possible approximation to truth by attempting to find evidence which falsifies existing understanding.
Pseudoscientists attempt to “prove” their ideas.
Pseudoscientists try to prove their ideas by attempting to find evidence which supports their understanding.
Most of ‘climate science’ is pseudoscience.
Richard
Is there a time limit? If not the coming ice age should pretty much put to rest the idea that CO2 is a climate driver.
Ralph Dave Westfall says:
July 26, 2014 at 2:22 am
For the last 150 years we have been coming out of a little ice age. I would expect CO2 levels to rise under those circumstances.
LewSkannen says:
July 26, 2014 at 2:04 am
I CAN believe this is what politics has sunk to.
Ralph Dave Westfall says:
Anyone know where the $30,000 is being held? If it’s sitting in his personal accounts, there might be some concerns about the sincerity of the challenge. If it’s been placed in a separate escrow account with some publicized criteria regarding the conditions under which it will be released, it could look more credible.
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You’ kidding, right? It’s a bluff. The sucker probably couldn’t even find 30k.
Whatever _anyone_ comes up with, he will always find some “comment” about how it does not conform to his ill-defined terms of what it is he wants “proven”.
He has not the slightest intention of losing 30 grand and rule no. 5 says he will decide what qualifies a proof.
What more do you need to know?
Please be extremely polite to this old fella making the challenge. Perhaps this will convince him to stop using the “denier” label. Point out to him that lumping everyone into two categories is a “strawman” and is more a political maneuver than science. And also point out to him that to pick a few extreme outlier arguments in the skeptical community and arguing against those can be done in any field of human endeavor and is another type of strawman argument. Many skeptics are scientists, engineers, computer programmers, former astronauts and NASA employees, or otherwise technically literate. Over the years the skeptical argument has changed as the mainstream argument is also beginning to do. Perhaps in ten years there will be even more convergence and perhaps this is the way to engage this man and not even try to win the bet.
“Thomas Jefferson 1809 : Snow Is (Nearly) A Thing Of The Past”
The idea (and fear) of “climate change” has been around for a long time. Here is a long list of “climate” concerns dating back to the early 1800’s.
Part of the problem is that human memory is rather short. What we see as “climate change” are short-term fluctuations. We tend to ignore history as well. Then there is the tendency to want a scapegoat. With a scapegoat, we feel more in control, instead of at the mercy of mother nature. Of course, with the advent of CAGW, the biggest lie in human history, all kinds of agendas could be satisfied. Fortunately, the lie is unraveling, thanks in part to mother nature herself, but it is so heavily entrenched in our institutions and in government that it will take some time to completely root out. The climate wars will drag on unfortunately, but the liars’ influence, and thus the damage they cause will slowly diminish.
“Steven Mosher says:
July 25, 2014 at 8:41 pm”
Nah, in the practice of real science, no one has to disprove 1] subjective statements which are 2] Consensus based and 3] are therefore totally irrelevant to the principles of real science to begin with.
Post Normalism has taken over your mind. Res ipsa loquiter.
As some of the statements in the IPCC summary are based on “expert opinion”, there is not a clear target for where they get their 95% from and therefore it will be hard to disprove. Also, he now has a deadline of July 31, 2014 so it is kind of a farce. I posted earlier (in moderation) to be nice to him but then I went and read his site. Too many people making to many long rambling posts for more posts to do much good. And it seems he can not write a response without throwing his favorite insult word that begins with “d” out there at least once so he may be a lost cause.
From Mark Stoval (@MarkStoval) on July 26, 2014 at 2:46 am:
It wasn’t a plain word, it was a name in the URL, which identifies a site of “Transcendent Rant and way out there theory”. Invoking the name invokes the extra scrutiny. If you want to link to the site, get a short URL without the name. To try to keep my posts from getting hung up, I’d refer to it as ShortSheila’s Gabfest.
JPeden writes “Post Normalism has taken over your mind. Res ipsa loquiter.”
Agreed. Mosher is writing as though it were necessary to disprove “most of the warming” when in fact the warmists are yet to give any evidence whatsoever for “most of the warming”. But then again Mosher at his heart thinks models are evidence.
Alex, you write “On the CO2 forcing effect it isn’t the debate that has shifted, only Keating’s awareness of it, and he must have only learned very recently (not “over the decades”) about the broad agreement among skeptics and consensoids alike that a doubling of CO2 should cause a temperature forcing of about 1°C.”
Let us be quite clear. It is IMPOSSIBLE to MEASURE this 1 C rise. This is a completely meaningless number in physics.
I shudder to think of the amount of valuable time that will be spent addressing this stupid publicity stunt. Wagers on future temperatures is the only way to shut these people up.