Contradictory contest criteria have been rectified via Keating “clarification” 
Guest post by Alec Rawls
At first glance retired physics teacher Christopher Keating’s challenge appears to be an obvious bait and switch. It opens as an invitation to “global warming skeptics” who charge that “the science doesn’t support claims of man-made climate change.” The central “claim of man-made climate change” is the IPCC’s assertion in AR5 that: “It is extremely likely that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century” (AR5 WGI SPM p. 17, upped from “very likely” in AR4 and “likely” in the Third Area Report). So wait a minute. All we have to do is demonstrate that this assertion of great certainty that human activity caused most late 20th century warming is clearly unsupported by the available reason and evidence and Keating will give us $30,000? That is easily done. But then the first stated rule of his contest asserts a very different criterion:
1. I will award $30,000 of my own money to anyone that can prove, via the scientific method, that man-made global climate change is not occurring.
Ridiculous. There is hardly a skeptic alive who doesn’t think that human activity is causing some climate change, and in particular, some amount of warming. The question is whether one accepts the IPCC’s claim of extreme certainty that the human release of greenhouse gases is responsible for most late 20th century warming, and is on course to cause a dangerous amount of warming over the next century. Skeptics see this as unlikely, or as unsupported by the evidence, but it all comes down to the size of the human warming effect.
So Keating is putting forward two completely different criteria for gauging human influence on climate, one that pretty much all skeptics reject and one that pretty much all skeptics accept, and he is treating them as interchangeable. This raises an obvious suspicion.
When nobody can prove NO human-caused warming, will Keating claim vindication for the IPCC’s claim that MOST warming was human caused?
It would be a very crude switch, conflating two very different scientific positions, but we have been down this road several times already. Remember the bogus “consensus” study by Doran and Zimmerman that failed to distinguish skeptic from consensoid views, thereby lumping skeptics into their proclaimed “consensus”? According to their press release:
Two questions were key: have mean global temperatures risen compared to pre-1800s levels, and has human activity been a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures.
About 90 percent of the scientists agreed with the first question and 82 percent the second.
Wait, one in ten scientists don’t think global temperatures have risen since 1800? That’s actually a pretty amazing lack of consensus, but on the role of human activity, there are very few on the skeptic side who would say that human effects are insignificant, thus their real finding is that 82 percent of scientists can be categorized as either skeptics or consensoids. They hadn’t distinguished the actual competing viewpoints at all, but they pretended they had, and declared the science settled:
…the debate on the authenticity of global warming and the role played by human activity is largely nonexistent among those who understand the nuances and scientific basis of long-term climate processes.
Ditto for Cook et al. 2013. As documented by Legates, Soon, Briggs and Monckton, the Cook study’s own raters found that only 0.5% of the climate science abstracts they examined supported the IPCC “consensus” position that most recent warming was caused by human activity. To claim a 97% consensus they added this 0.5% figure together with the numbers of abstracts that support weaker claims of some human influence, positions that encompass virtually all skeptics. From Christopher Monckton:
In defiance of the evidence recorded in their own data file, they had then explicitly stated, both in their article and in a subsequent article, that 97.1% had endorsed the IPCC’s proposition.
Again and again the alarmists try to pull off this trick, fabricating a phony “consensus” on the IPCC position by falsely classifying those who reject the IPCC’s position as supportive of it, and the yawning slip between Keating’s cup and his lip seems to be an obvious set-up for more of the same, which must have put off many of the skeptics who came across Keating’s challenge. It certainly put me off.
I belatedly looked further only because these bait and switches have been turning into big propaganda battles and I figured it might be worth getting ahead of this one. That’s when I came across Keating’s clarification page, where he promises to fork over the money to anyone who can prove that the available scientific reason and evidence do not support the IPCC’s claim of extreme certainty that most recent warming human caused.
Okay, that changes things. If these are the terms then Keating deserves to be taken seriously, not in any expectation that he would ever pay up, but because he might be an honest man who has simply never been properly exposed to the skeptic side. Of course that would have been self-selected but he is now self-forcing himself to engage with skeptic views and if he really is an honest man the result could be interesting.
Keating’s “clarification” page
Numerous commenters complained to Keating that there was no way to win his challenge because he was demanding proof of a negative: that human activity has no effect on climate (a negative that no skeptic ever claimed). This is what spawned his clarification page, where he lists “two different ways” that skeptics can win, with “Option #1” being:
The basic tenets of AGW are these two IPCC conclusions:
It is extremely likely (95-100%) that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century.
Climate sensitivity is likely in the range 1.5°C to 4.5°C and extremely unlikely (95-100%) less than 1°C.
So if someone was able to scientifically disprove these two extremely likely / unlikely statements, then that should suffice.
To “scientifically disprove” the IPCC claims of extreme certainty is to prove that they are not scientifically justified. It doesn’t mean proving that human activity did not cause most post 50’s warming. It just means proving that the available reason and evidence does not justify any high degree of certainty about the latest warming being mostly human-caused. “Proof” is generally not easy to come by in science but this one is easy, on multiple grounds.
So now we have a challenge worth answering, an opportunity to turn Keating’s publicity ploy into a positive episode for skeptic understanding. His clarification also means that his challenge needs to be taken seriously as a threat. Right on his clarification page, before anyone had seen it, Keating was already crowing how nobody could show that the IPCC’s radical attribution claims are rejected by science:
So, there you go. I set the challenge up to favor the deniers and have now even produced two separate ways they can win.
And, yet, THE DENIERS STILL CAN’T PRODUCE.
Oh yes we can. Keating is one of those “believers” who flings the “denier” label like plosive spittle, and having changed his contest rules to be able to more legitimately claim to that he is vindicating the IPCC’s most unscientific excesses he needs to be shadowed henceforth by an unrebuttable insistence that HE OWES US MONEY. Then he can raise the subject as much as he wants.
Keating’s contradictory statements about skeptic views prove that he’s never thought this through
How else could a physicist make the following contradictory statements about skeptic views, issued almost in sequence on his “clarification” page? First he is stunned by all the people trying to let him know that skeptics generally do agree that human release of greenhouse gases does cause warming:
Some have even gone so far as to claim that no one has ever denied that man made global warming is not real. I swear, I didn’t make that last statement up. This is such a brazen lie that I wonder if the people saying this have lost touch with reality. Seriously, I wonder if they have lost touch with the real world. One question to those people, if deniers have never said man made global warming is not real, then just what have you guys been saying all this time? There is a long record of your statements about how global warming is a fraud, etc. Once again, if you don’t like being held accountable for what you say, stop saying it.
No distinction between people causing some warming and people causing most warming, even though he is responding to people who are pressing him on this very point. It’s like the idea is so new to him that he can’t get his head around it. Then at the end of his “option 1” he includes this little admission, perhaps in response to his recent forced engagement with actual skeptic views:
That said, the climate debate has shifted a bit over the past decades I’ve following it into at least “skeptics” grudgingly accepting (1) that the planet is actually warming [that should be “was actually warming”] and (2) the physics behind sensitivity excluding feedbacks being 1.1°C.
On the CO2 forcing effect it isn’t the debate that has shifted, only Keating’s awareness of it, and he must have only learned very recently (not “over the decades”) about the broad agreement among skeptics and consensoids alike that a doubling of CO2 should cause a temperature forcing of about 1°C. How else could he have been flabbergasted just a few paragraphs above by the idea of skeptics who do not deny that human activity causes warming?
So we’re talking about a babe-in-arms here. This senior citizen baby is unaware that the actual debate is over the size of the feedback effect and whether it is positive or negative. He has certainly never thought through the implications of agreement on CO2 forcing. So what to do with our senior baby?
I’m going to give him two answers. A little later I will post a “taking Keating seriously part 2” that recounts a few of the prima facie ways that the IPCC’s radical attribution claims are highly unscientific, as pointed out by numerous people in recent years. Then early next week I will post part 3, detailing a train of specific unscientific and anti-scientific steps in the IPCC analysis that render it not just scientifically invalid but properly classify it as a hoax and a fraud.
I documented two years ago how the First Order Draft of AR5 was marred by systematic “omitted variable fraud.” That critique is past due for an update and Keating’s challenge is a good second bird to kill with the same stone.
Dear Moderators,
I just posted a comment flagged with the blog owner’s name, sending info, knew he could delete after reading, about 11pm.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/07/25/taking-keatings-30000-skeptic-challenge-seriously-part-1/#comment-1694707
Never got the “awaiting moderation”, I’ve been reloading for a while. Did it really show up in the filter or just get lost?
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Mosher demands: “but to do this the skeptic must explain the warming.”
Yet that only applies in Hockey Stick World which his BEST boss Muller pointed out on video was utterly bogus science by people like Mann whose papers he would “no longer read.” In the real world we have an ideal, fully consistent, non-statistically nuanced temperature proxy going back tens of thousands of years from the main Greenland ice core and since it shows exact repeated precedence for today’s warming peak, the explanation needn’t be detailed in specific model alternative influences, especially in a likely chaotic and thus fundamentally unmodelable ocean fluid dynamic dominated system, but merely a finger pointing operation: “look, it’s just another one of those essentually random spikes caused by all manner of internal and external variation, just like before.” Is that not a perfectly valid explaination, given that so many systems are just noisy in a chaotic manner? His demand adds a vast assumption that the climate system is entrained by a few forcing inputs, and skeptics can’t beat computer modelers by making better oversimplified models. That’s a bogus assumption that biases the debate in the alarmist favor, the side of the debate that just celebrated to the media the ultimate example of a fake hockey stick only last year (Marcott 2013 with no blade in the input data), thus the side of the debate that represents criminal intent to profitably deceive.
Greenland slopes: http://oi61.tinypic.com/2cxbxw4.jpg
neillusion:
Your post at July 25, 2014 at 5:29 pm says in total
I commend you increase your education by reading the seminal paper of Kuo, Lindberg and Thomson, Nature (1991) then search all the subsequent studies that confirmed their work.
Changes to atmospheric CO2 concentration follow changes to global temperature at all time scales.
Richard
“It is extremely likely (95-100%) that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century”
Alex, you will greatly strengthen your case if you can get Keating to define how the IPCC arrived at that percentage. ( I have no idea.)
Don’t need peer reviewed papers to prove that AGW is not currently happening. Seeing as how there is ample EMPIRICAL evidence that there has been no global warming of any sort for at least the last 10 years.
If there has been no global warming, therefore it is difficult to see that there has been any anthropogenic warming.
I noticed that this perfectly sound reasoning (valid of course only for the period of nil warming as recorded by NASA and NOAA etc), was summarily dismissed by Dr Keating (does he really have a PhD?) by saying that the Anthropogenic warming was been swallowed by the sea.
Seeing as how he can find any excuse real or imagined, not neccesarily proven and even conjectural and so long as Dr Keating is the arbitrator of his game, his money is safe.
Cheers
Roger http://www.thedemiseofchristchurch.com
ps
Alan Robertson
Your million is quite safe as we all know that climates change naturally and in fact it would be worrying if they didn’t.
I’m not sure how serious you are, but I’m sure many would appreciate a rewording of your comment.
Christopher Keating: “Again, deniers are trying to change the challenge in an attempt to get out of a corner.”
Talk about your hypocrites. Keating modifies his challenge then points fingers.
Keating in his comment also tip his hand his challenge is rigged, being he has already placed challengers in “a corner”. You can forget any fairness with this one.
Christopher Keating: “When deniers go around making their statements without any supporting evidence, that is not allowing people to make an informed decision.”
Yet it is okay for AGWers to go around making their statements without any supporting evidence? And when AGWers are challenged for work, they hide behind claims of “Privacy” or “Proprietary”, and when pushed, they Lawyer Up.
A policy based consensus can’t be neither validated of falsified.
UNFCCC is politics, not science.
“Christopher Keating: “The consensus among climate scientists is real.”
More evidence that any response to Keating’s challenge will fail, being Keating still clings to “the consensus” claim, which has since been shown to be anything but.
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2010/06/13/the-ipcc-consensus-on-climate-change-was-phoney-says-ipcc-insider/
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303480304579578462813553136
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/05/30/global-warming-alarmists-caught-doctoring-97-percent-consensus-claims/
rogerthesurf says:
July 25, 2014 at 11:29 pm
“I’m sure many would appreciate a rewording of your comment.”
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Very well. Since Keating has given everyone until end, July 31, 2014, I shall be equally magnanimous and grant such a deadline. Also, should any qualified claimant(s) appear and should they prefer it, I would be equally comfortable writing the check on
the Cimarron River bank.
Per Keating: “The scientific method is a never ending” process ….
There will “never” be an affirmative to his challenge.
Keating is a weasel.
David A says:
July 25, 2014 at 11:23 pm
“It is extremely likely (95-100%) that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century”
Alex, you will greatly strengthen your case if you can get Keating to define how the IPCC arrived at that percentage. ( I have no idea.)
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He also needs to define the word “dominant” mathematically.
This is totally ill-defined and subjective, since it depends how much you break down the various causes.
Does this simply mean:
anthop > natual
OR
anthrop > ENSO
anthrop > solar
anthrop > PDO
anthrop > AMO
anthrop > lunar
anthrop > vulcanism …..
AR5 now uses this word but in the associated text is still using “most of” . So which is it?
He pretends to lay down a scientific challenge but does not demonstrate enough scientific competence to define what is to be proven.
Christopher Keating: “First, climate science does not rely on models, it relies on data and science. Second, the models have been shown to be quite accurate.”
If this is what Keating claims is “quite accurate”, you can Forgetabout any unbiased judging of submissions to his challenge.
http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/CMIP5-73-models-vs-obs-20N-20S-MT-5-yr-means1.png
http://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b58035970c017ee88df70e970d-pi
Latitude @ur momisugly 6:54 pm:
Mod’s comment: That was worthy of Sir Humphrey Appleby in Yes Prime Minister! It gave me a good laugh..
according to CAGW theory, it’s not man that warms the planet, it’s water vapour GH effect
the water vapour is released after a tipping point
the tipping point is caused by rising CO2 GH effect
rsing CO2 is caused by man
there is no increase in water vapour
there has been no tipping point
there has been no noticable CO2 GH Effect
CO2 is rising due to man
The entire chain of cause and effect is broken at every stage
From Keating’s website,
“But, I am sure I will never have to [pay up] because it can’t be proven. The scientific evidence for global warming is overwhelming and no one can prove otherwise.”
This is almost childish. I had a quick look at his website and his “complete profile” but didn’t find what level of physics he taught or where.
The quote above should be warning enough that he doesn’t have a clue about the Scientific Method.
I’m surprised anyone is giving him the time of day.
From the clarifications page : “The two challenges are in response to deniers claiming that man made global warming is not real and that the science to support them is conclusive. My challenge to them is to show their claims are true. That is all it is.”
He is attempting to invert the null hypothesis !
He demands a scientific proof but abandons science at the outset.
The $30.000 is a red scarf.
More “clarifications”:
“Some have said the challenge should be to the scientists to prove their claims. Scientists, unlike the [denyers], have to prove their statements every step of the way and have to do it every day. All of their work is submitted to refereed journals for review before it can become part of the scientific literature. After publication, their work is still examined and reexamined over and over. That is part of the scientific process – it has to be reproducible by other people. So, I don’t need to issue a challenge to the scientists because they already have a challenge much more rigorous than anything I could issue. The [denyers] should be held to the same level of accountability, but they aren’t. They are getting off very easy with my challenge.”
No, seriously, where has been for the last ten years.
He is either totally ill-inforrmed and ignorant and thus incompetent to judge anything, or he is an out and out liar.
Yeah right. He will provide “comments”. He is so obviously such an objective, open-minded and fair arbiter as to whether he loses $30000 of his own money , what could possibly go wrong?
WHAT A JOKE.
Keating: “First, climate science does not rely on models”
He is totally ignorant of the subject. Period.
“A little later I will post a “taking Keating seriously part 2″ that recounts a few of the prima facie ways that the IPCC’s radical attribution claims are highly unscientific”
By all means deal with IPCC failings, but drop Keating from the title. He cannot be taken seriously. Even suggesting that may be possible gives him more credibility that he merits.
I would recommend you do another post about NOT taking Keating seriously blow his false challenge out of the water before he declares himself winner in a few days. I’m sure he’s already written the text for that.
“…that man-made global climate change is not occurring.” and “There is hardly a skeptic alive who doesn’t think that human activity is causing some climate change, and IN PARTCICULAR, SOME AMOUNT OF WARMING” (my emphasis).
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There you have it. Since when has climate been defined in terms of a few tenths of a degree of temperature?
Climate is regional (not global) and climate is a range of conditions, quite a wide range at that, within which there is much variability from year to year.
The classic classification/demarkation being the Köppen classification, since then there have been a number of varitions and different classifications but still broadly on a common theme. The important point is that climate is assessed over very long periods of time, not 30 years, or 100 years but really on a millennium time scale.
Personally, I consider that there is a strong case that climate change is not happening. And that is no doubt the reason why the IPCC report does not seek to detail what climate change is said to be taking place, and to which countries and to what affect. Indeed, it does not even tell us whether it is the highs that are getting higher, the lows getting a little less low, whether and where there is more rain, less rain, how the seasons are altering, are they starting later, lasting longer etc. etc
To get to the nub, which country now in 2014, has changed says its 1980 Köppen classification to a different one?
Look at the United States. This is a young country so the records are not long, but look at the records from say 1650 through to 1950 and the range of weather experienced over those years. Is what we are seeing in the United States today outside those bounds. Is it warmer than it has ever been, are winters harsher than they have ever been, is it wetter than it has ever been, is it drier than it has ever been, are there more storms than there have ever been, are the storms more violent than they have ever been. The answer to all of this is no. What we are seeing today is within the natural variability of its Climate.
The same is true of the UK (where records go back to Roman times). A few months ago there was a very good programme on the TV (except for the last 5 mins with the usual homage to climate change). It detailed the UK weather over the ages and showefd that in the past it had been warmer, it had been colder, it had had mild winters, it had had harsh winters, it had been dry, it had been wet, it had had worse floods, it had had worse storms etc etc. It showed and even said that the recent weather seen by the UK these past 20 years had been seen before in the past and that in the past there had been more extreme events etc. The last 5 minutes of the programme then said due to climate change we can expect to see extreme weather happening more often, blah blah blah.
On a global level, the only climate demarkation is glacial or interglacial. Of course there can be epochs within that but what we are seeing today, is not outside the bounds of the Holocene Optimum. It is exactly the sort of Climate that one may expect to see in an inter glacial period..
Of course, I am not saying that there has not been a little bit of warming, but then again there was some warming in the 1930s, the 1880s, in the UK in the 1500s, coming out of the LIA, the MWP, the Roman Warm Period, the Minoan Warm Period. Seeing a little bit of warming is not climate change.
On a micro level, man can have an impact at the micro climatic level, as seen by large scale urbanisation, deforestation, damming of valleys etc. But then again, that is not the issue that we are talking about, although it may have some impact on why we think it is warmer etc
Presently we are talking about warming not climate change. The AGW thoery of the properties of CO2 as a GHG is that it produces warming, not that it causes, per se, climate change.
We should not allow the debate to be reframed. It is very difficult for the science to deal with climate change due to the fact that climate is not stasis but rather a wide band within which there is much yearly variability. The science on the other hand can easily address temperature and ascertain whether this is happening, and the extent to which there is strong evidence that CO2 is a driver (rather than perhaps a response).
As I say, we should not allow the debate to be reframed in this manner. We should stick to the science on the manner in which CO2 is bahving in the real world environs of our atmosphere here on planet Earth..
This is a resend, 1st attempt confirmed lost.
Anthony,
I checked your “blog spawn” list. You said of “whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com”:
I had identified Peter Miesler of Durango, Colorado, with evidence trail of information freely available on the internet, back here:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/05/16/wegman-paper-retraction-by-journal/#comment-662862
He still updates at his previous blog, more than the new one, lots of posts without comments.
http://citizenschallenge.blogspot.com/
At the blog spawn site, there are some recent comments, practically all his own.
I think he’s lonely.
Greg says:
July 26, 2014 at 12:11 am
“He pretends to lay down a scientific challenge but does not demonstrate enough scientific competence to define what is to be proven.”
Precisely!
I can’t believe that this is what physics has sunk to.
I don’t know about the science but from a sociological point of view I find it very disturbing that Christopher Keating was allowed to teach children when he has such a nasty way of referring to people who disagree with him. Classifying people as deniers is invoking the rejection of the Jewish Holocaust as a tool to discredit an opponent not an argument. While this is an acceptable practice in the rough and tumble of politics and blogging and adult interaction I think it is a vile and disgusting attitude when perpetrated by teachers.
Anyone know where the $30,000 is being held? If it’s sitting in his personal accounts, there might be some concerns about the sincerity of the challenge. If it’s been placed in a separate escrow account with some publicized criteria regarding the conditions under which it will be released, it could look more credible.