South Korea announces delay the day after Australia’s carbon tax repeal
Story submitted by Eric Worrall
In a sign that rejection of climate alarm is gathering momentum, South Korea has thrown doubt on its carbon plans. Significantly, the announcement was made the day after Australia abolished the carbon tax. According to the report;
“July 18 (Reuters) – South Korea’s finance minister has called its impending emissions trading market “flawed in many ways”, hinting that he would pressure other ministries to delay the planned 2015 launch, a local newspaper reported.
Choi Kyung-hwan, who is also deputy prime minister, said problems had been found with the scheme, which is due to start in January, and that the government would review them before deciding whether to delay it, modify it or implement it as planned, The Korea Times reported on Friday.”
http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFL6N0PT3CZ20140718
(h/t to WUWT reader Pat)
South Korea’s courageous stand against carbon madness raises hope that Australia’s rejection of carbon pricing will be the domino which topples any chance of global cooperation on CO2
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“While many duped conservatives had started to drift into the leftist camp, by a year after Climategate nearly all conservatives had seen the light. (Yeah, with big exceptions like Chris Christie.) ”
You are of course making the point that Christie is not a conservative?
Also, John Carter is a trollolololol.
@ur momisugly J. Carter
You brought up the DOD. I asked you for some tangible aspect of AGW the DOD could possibly be studying as a national security issue. I furthermore asked you to not bother with wild predictions.
All you laid out were wild predictions and suppositions piled on top of suppositions. None of the things you presented are occurring. Are you capable of discerning between speculation and reality? Are you capable of understanding that the DOD can be influenced to produce gobbledygook for the advancement of political agendas? A smart person even one that believes in cAGW should be able discern such things.
John Carter
I am guessing a Political Science Major, 20 years old and still living at home.
is that close?
John Carter
I am guessing also a B- average.
is that close?
John Carter
On the plus side I bet your girlfriend thinks you are brilliant.
I said
“I can wait for the next blast from the incomprehensinator.”
I of course meant “I CAN’T wait”.
Please entertain us some more J Carter
Gotta love this one.
“…ultimately shifting climate, one with far different precipitation patterns and intensities then what we evolved under,”
Every region on the globe has a “different precipitation pattern.” Man can climb Mount Everest, Invent Polio vaccines, and travel to the moon, but everything will go to hell in a hand basket if MAYBE it’s a little more or less rainy. Warmists like JC really have to reach for this stuff.
Justa Joe says:
July 22, 2014 at 8:06 am
Gotta love this one.
“…ultimately shifting climate, one with far different precipitation patterns and intensities then what we evolved under,”
Every region on the globe has a “different precipitation pattern.” Man can climb Mount Everest, Invent Polio vaccines, and travel to the moon, but everything will go to hell in a hand basket if MAYBE it’s a little more or less rainy. Warmists like JC really have to reach for this stuff.
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And let me add, mass extinction of human species expected in Phoenix, AZ. Oh wait…
Mario Lento,
Do you remember what “precipitation pattern” you “evolved under” ? Somehow I can’t… LOL
John Carter,
Observe the Consensus. It is right here, and it says that you are wrong.
Carter says:
What have you “debunked.”
By using numerous charts, graphs, and data, I debunked your belief in runaway global warming. But you still believe. That’s your problem: you refuse to accept the mountains of empirical evidence that deconstructs what you believe. Have I mentioned that you have a closed mind?
And:
Arguments as to why CC poses a significant climate shift threat have been ignored. You’ve incorrectly (yet repeatedly) conflated the issue with trailing temperature data, which pretty much says it all.
‘Says it all’? John, we use trailing temperature data because future “data” is not data at all. It is a prediction. As we know, all the wild-eyed alarmist predictions have failed, so skeptics tend to avoid predicting.
Finally, ‘climate change’ may or may not be a threat. But all the available evidence shows that it is natural, not man-made. The climate always changes; the Sahara desert was a grassland savannah only a few thousand years ago. So was the Gobi desert, which is now encroaching on Beijing from only 60 miles away. Those are natural changes. The climate changes, and people adapt. But we don’t prepare for the Gobi desert invading New York City. That would be as crazy as ‘mitigating’ CO2 levels, because there is no evidence that either one is necessary.
The real question is: why do you believe so strongly in something for which there is zero scientific evidence? If you truly believed in the Tooth Fairy, people would think you’re nuts. I see no difference in your CAGW beliefs, and people who believe in fairies. Neither one has any real world supporting evidence.
Actually, it’s the other way around, Bob. The people who freak out about the Fed and the National Debt are like the AGW crowd. [Yaaas. I’ve read The Creature From Jekyll Island. G. Edward Griffin is an honorable and earnest man working from the info available to him, but he happens to be wrong. Long-buried documents and books have come to light since his latest 2010 edition that prove it.] This is my last word on the subject. Read Frank N Newman’s book mentioned above.
dstealey says
“The real question is: why do you believe so strongly in something for which there is zero scientific evidence? If you truly believed in the Tooth Fairy, people would think you’re nuts. I see no difference in your CAGW beliefs, and people who believe in fairies. Neither one has any real world supporting evidence.”
That’s just it, he doesn’t believe any of it or anything else he is just being programmed by someone and is sent out to regurgitate and that’s why it is down right hilarious he can’t actually hold an argument so he tries to hit you with incomprehensible mumbo jumbo hoping someone will take him seriously. So here are my theories, he is a college kid trying to make some liberal arts loop job teacher proud or he has a girlfriend that is really into this junk and he is try to get ****** or he is just one of us trying to have some fun by tweaking everyone, if he was more coherent i would go with the latter but i don’t think anyone here could be so confusing and incomprehensible even on purpose.
Policycritic
i HAVEN’t read the creature from Jekyll island, and I WILL read your book to make you happy but it doesn’t matter how you or the fed itself thinks it works. If you make something out of thin air and use it to buy something that has sweat and effort in it your devaluing the wealth. No matter what you say the market will be distorted by these efforts and the wealth of this nation will decrease. The FED is not the economy and the government is not holder of wealth. As i said before I don’t doubt that you actually believe what you are saying and i don’t doubt that people at the FED believe what you are saying but its still BULL and the excising of this philosophy will not only diminish the economy as a whole and take away the incentive for people produce it also will diminish everyone’s freedom and liberty.
You yourself say that they are not acting in the peoples best interest yet you buy into their manipulations of the market place and their attempt to dominate it to who end?
You naivety is really astounding, its not about the government or the currency its about the free market place and peoples LIBERTY.
I am not some Johnny come lately to this debate either I have been predicting and warning about fiscal policy of this government for 35 years. i have never screamed that the sky was falling but i have warned about the never ending crawl to FED and government control of the market place for the benefit of the banks and the large international corporations and to the detriment of the people and liberty as a whole. You have been hood winked, what you believe may actually function for a while but not to the benefit of the people this country was founded for. The soviet union took 80 years to implode and up until they did everyone thought their system worked and was strong if not free. The people of this country have created an astonishing amount of wealth and even following the course of vapor economics it will take a long time for that wealth to disappear but disappear it will if we don’t realize that it is the pursuit of Liberty that creates the only true incentive for people to risk and succeed.
@Bob Bolder,
It is clear from the recent experiences in Europe that countries that run up enormous debt have in fact used this national debt as an excuse to persecute “tax dodgers.” So they most certainly are spending and devaluing our money/wealth, and then going after more wealth by claiming the citizens are engaging in “tax evasion.” There are even facebook pages for people to turn in Italian or Greek neighbors for taxes. I wonder if you agree that the flat tax is one simple, proactive response. I enjoyed your comments very much and thank you for taking the time to discuss this.
At least J Car…did a wonderful service in eliciting great comments from Bob Bolder and dbstealey.
Justa Joe says:
July 22, 2014 at 9:58 am
Mario Lento,
Do you remember what “precipitation pattern” you “evolved under” ? Somehow I can’t… LOL
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Hold on Joe, I’m getting in touch with my DNA which holds all the answers to the questions of my origin… uhm… yes, I believe it rained sometimes. ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny –sometimes
Mario Lento says:
July 22, 2014 at 11:24 am
———————
Maybe I do sense the stirrings of a racial memory from aeons on the “Geologic” Time gone by…
Raindrops keep fallin’ on my head
And just like the guy
Whose feet are too big for his bed
Nothin’ seems to fit
Those raindrops are fallin’
On my head, they keep fallin’
So I just did me some talkin’ to the sun
And I said, I didn’t like
The way he got things done…
Zeke;
I can’t say that i am a fan of any Tax, i also do recognize that the government is unfortunately a necessity and while I wish to see it limited to the extreme i don’t see a practical alternative to taxation to generate revenue, that being said tax code should not be a tool of the government to impose policy it should be just be about generating revenue as fairly and evenly as possible. From that stand point a flat tax makes some sense to me. I also think that a certain amount of income shouldn’t be taxed at all, meaning that the first x-thousand of dollars are tax free and only dollars earned after that amount are taxed at the flat rate. Say $100,000 for a family.
I actually though have thought a bit about a national sales tax (NOT A VAT) on finished goods sold. i would leave food, clothing and housing out of this, most people would bulk at this because it seams like the price of goods would rise, but i don’t think so all corporate and individual taxes are incorporated into the price of goods now as a cost of manufacturing and as a tax on profit so i think the net change price of goods would be zero. but i think there are huge advantages for national industry when competing with foreign entities. Since businesses would no longer be paying corporate taxes the cost of manufacturing would go down, however foreign companies who are producing in countries with little or no taxes would still have their goods sold here with the sales tax which would have the effect of evening the playing field for american companies while insuring that our government (hold my nose) generates revenue from the sale of foreign made goods. i believe this would encourage manufacturing here and benefit employers and employees across the board.
It also has the fun part of eliminating the IRS from individuals lives. I think there is also a huge amount of waist generated in the business world because of adherence to tax code not just direct cost of adhering to the code but the cost of making decisions based on tax benefit instead of business advantage. i also think companies would have a much longer view.
the last part would be for there to be a change to the Constitution setting a limit on how much revenue as a percentage of the GDP the government could tax. This i think is important because it is inevitable that any simple tax policy will be to easy for the government to raise the base rate of. if the economy grows the government generates more revenue so there should be no need for increasing rates, except for war or as I am sure Policycritic will jump on the need to act against down turn. This last thing we can debate over and over, I am not a huge fan of it but if the government creates debt to pay for hard assets during a downturn to “stimulate the economy” there is some small benefit, but only if all of the debt is paid off quickly there after and not allowed to grow indefinitely. the biggest problem with this is that invariably the money is spent on boondoggles or outdated or inefficient projects that distort the economy over the long run. This is why in general i am against such schemes.
Please don’t take this as anything other the musings of free thinker i don’t pretend to have all of the answers and I am sure there are plenty of people here at WWUT that are more wise the i am and can point out the ridiculousness of what I propose.
thank you for the kind words
@Bob Bolder
Thank you very much for your summary of a few tax reforms.
PS I could not help but think of 501c3 organizations when you wrote:
“I think there is also a huge amount of waist generated in the business world because of adherence to tax code not just direct cost of adhering to the code but the cost of making decisions based on tax benefit instead of business advantage. i also think companies would have a much longer view.”