Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
Recently there have been a number of accusations and bad blood involving myself, David Evans, Joanne Nova, Lord Christopher Monckton, and Leif Svalgaard. Now, I cannot speak for any of them, but on my part, my own blood ended up mightily angrified, and I fear I waxed wroth.
However, I see no point in rehashing the past. What I want to do is to return to the underlying scientific questions. In that spirit, I apologize sincerely and completely for wherever I put in “something extra” in the previous discussion. In Buddhism, there’s a concept called “something extra”, and one is enjoined to avoid putting in “something extra”.
It is explained in the following way:
If I say “I am angry” that is simply a true statement.
But if I say “You made me angry”, that is something extra.
So I ask any and all of you to please accept my sincere apologies for whatever what I said that was something extra, so that we can move past this difficult time and get back to discussing the science. Both sides have legitimate grievances, and I am happy to make the first move to get past all of them by apologizing to all of you for whatever my part was in the bad blood. I hope that the other participants accept my apology in the spirit of reconciliation in which it is offered, and that we can move forwards without rancor or recriminations.
Regarding the science, let me go back to the original question, and see what I can do in the way of making my claims in a more Canadian manner. I’ll start by looking at the recent record of the “TSI”, the total solar irradiance:
Figure 1. Monthly total solar irradiance as measured by the CERES satellite. Vertical blue line shows mid-2004.
Now, if you don’t like the data from the CERES satellite, here’s the SORCE satellite data:
Figure 2. Daily total solar irradiance as measured by the SORCE satellite. Vertical red line indicates mid-2004. SOURCE
Note what is happening in both graphs after mid-2004 (vertical lines in both plots). As in every solar cycle, the TSI declines somewhat, and bottoms out. Then, it starts to rise again. And by the end of the datasets, in both cases the TSI is higher that it was in 2004.
So what was the scientific dispute all about, the discussion that underlies all of the bad feelings?
It revolved around the following graph from David Evans, referenced by both Leif Svalgaard and Lord Monckton, showing the basis of his predicted upcoming global cooling :
Figure 3. David Evan’s graph of TSI (gold line), along with a centered 11-year moving average of the TSI data (red, with dotted blue extension), and a 25 year unspecified smooth of temperature, presumably a trailing average (blue line). (Click to enlarge)
Now, as you can see, the bright red line basically falls off the edge of the earth around 2004. The note says “The recent falloff in solar radiation started somewhere in 2003-2005″.
However, a look at both the SORCE and the CERES data shows no such “falloff in solar radiation”, neither precipitous nor otherwise. In fact, both datasets agree that by 2013 the TSI was well above the level in mid-2004.
Since there is no fall in the underlying data of any kind, why does the red 11-year average line show abrupt cooling starting around 2004?
The answer lies in the various problems with the graph.
• The TSI data is a splice of three datasets, with two of them showing the post-2000 period. This is a huge source of potential error in itself. However, it gets worse.
• One of the spliced datasets is the Lean TSI reconstruction, an outdated dataset that the authors of the reconstruction themselves admit is inaccurate.
• Another is the PMOD dataset. It is known to be reading low by 0.2 W/ms at the solar minimum, introducing a spurious apparently strong recent “cooling” where none exists.
• The 11-year centered average is an extremely bad choice for a filter for sunspot/TSI data. Because the solar cycle varies both longer and shorter than 11 years, at times the 11-year average actually reverses the sense of the data, converting peaks into valleys and valleys into peaks. Look at the period from 1760-1800 in Figure 3, for example. What is happening is that the frequency data is getting strongly aliased into the amplitude data. As a result, the average can end up far from the reality, particularly at the ends of the dataset.
For another example, look at the period just after 1740 in Figure 3. The 11-year average takes a huge vertical jump … but meanwhile back in the real word, the TSI itself is not rising at all. It is falling. Clearly, the large vertical jump in the red line is totally spurious.
• The TSI data has had about 900 days of “data” added to it using an arbitrarily chosen value. This is shown by the blue dots which indicate a continuing drop in the temperature.
So regarding the question of why the red line is acting so strangely, the answer is that we have a perfect storm of spliced data, bad data, arbitrary “data” added to the spliced bad data, and an extremely poor filter choice.
And as a result, the red line doesn’t represent reality in any shape or form. There is no precipitous drop in TSI starting around 2004. It doesn’t exist. Sure, the 11-year average says clearly that there is a huge drop starting around that time … but the actual data says something entirely different, as shown in Figures 1 and 2.
Now, in the heat of the moment Leif described the red line as being “almost fraudulent”. I think this was an over-reaction, but perhaps an understandable one. After all, if the red line were flipped over vertically it would make a lovely hockeystick, and if someone claimed warming was coming based on that hockeystick, people would call them alarmists … and calling someone an alarmist is certainly a close relative of calling them “almost fraudulent”.
However, my guideline is, never ascribe to malice what is adequately explained by error and misunderstanding. So I do not call their red line fraudulent, nor did I do so in the original discussion. Instead, I say that it is an error resulting from a misunderstanding. In any case, let me suggest that we leave out all ascription of motive and intent, that goes nowhere, and that we return to the science.
A more scientifically neutral description of the red line is that it is highly inaccurate and potentially misleading, because the apparent drop starting in 2003-2005 is simply an artifact of a combination of bad data and bad filtering.
Finally, to the degree that David Evans’ model predicts future cooling based on the red line, it is already falsified.
That is what I was trying to say, and I believe (subject to correction) that was what Leif was pointing out as well.
In closing, I will endeavor in this thread to keep my comments on as scientific a basis as possible, to avoid any personal references, and to not ascribe motive or intent. I request that everyone do the same. Many toes have already been stepped on in this discussion. Let’s see if we can simply discuss the science.
My best to all,
w.
VERY IMPORTANT: It is important in general, and in this discussion in particular, that you QUOTE THE EXACT WORDS THAT YOU DISAGREE WITH. Note that this doesn’t mean just referencing their entire comment. Quote the exact words of their comment that you think are in error, and tell us why you think those words are wrong. If you do not quote the exact words that you disagree with, none of us will know what you are referring to … and out of such misunderstandings grows animosity and misunderstanding.
Finally, please don’t delve into the rights and wrongs of what has happened in the previous discussions. I am not interested in the slightest in ascribing blame or responsibility. I have accepted my own responsibility for my own actions and apologized for wherever I was over the line. What I or the others did in the past is a blind alley, so please confine your comments to the science, and as the saying goes, “Let the dead past bury its dead”.
Chris4692 says:
July 18, 2014 at 8:59 am
Notice that Mr. Evans stops his 11 year centered moving average (red line) 5 1/2 years before the end of his data, therefore there are no end effects.
None of this matters, as his basic premise is wrong, namely that TSI has decreased a lot since the 2003-2005 timeframe until today. It has not http://www.leif.org/research/TSI-since-2003.png
The real solar story post 2005 is the dramatic drop off in the AP index to sustained low levels that previously have not occurred as far as duration of time.
This is a very important indicator of solar magnetic effects here on earth which have an impact on the climate.
During the 20th century solar magnetic effects were on a tear increasing very significantly. This has all since changed.
Solar has gone from extremely active before 2005 to extremely quiet post 2005 and this is going to have more climatic impacts as we head forward.
Salvatore Del Prete says:
July 18, 2014 at 8:55 am
TSI was off by .15% during the 2008-2010 lull more declines to come going forward.
And is now up 0.1% since 2009
IMF got down to around 4.0 that will also be lower going forward.
And is now [for 2014] 5.5 nT
Chris, my critique stands. Do you know what an 11-yr smoothed filter does to the end of the data sets wherever you choose to end it? And do you know what his calculation was for the average of a “portion” of recent data? What was the portion and what kind of averaging was it? Did he try different kinds of averaging? And did he then compare his statistical result to the raw data to make sure his maneuver was not showing an artifact? I take it you have never done paid for research or put your results to test in peer review. I have. And I had to ask those questions of my work.
This is all about data(past/present), expectations from the data and a given future result due to data. That is what matters and nothing else.
Time will prove which arguments and presentations are correct and which ones were wrong.
This is why it is nice to see such completely 180 degree opinions. It should result in making it rather easy to see which of us was on the correct path and which of us were not.
This should all take place during the course of the current prolonged solar minimum.
A God Sent as far as finding out the scientific truth.
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As in climate and almost every walk of life nothing goes straight up or straight down.
Chris4692 says:
July 18, 2014 at 8:59 am
Notice that Mr. Evans stops his 11 year centered moving average (red line) 5 1/2 years before the end of his data, therefore there are no end effects.
His ‘data’ [at least the smoothed data] ends in 2008:
http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/solar-radiation/tsi-datasets-ls.gif
5 1/2 years after that is 2013.5. Where did he get the ‘data’ from for the last years? He made them up. It doesn’t matter that he admits that he made them up. Fabricated data is fabricated data.
All this waxing eloquent about recurring patterns in global mean temperature gives me a headache. Three things are certain: 1) GMT will either rise, it will fall, or it will remain the same; 2) Every trend in GMT likely to be seen within the next several decades — up, down, or flat — has already been seen previously within the last four hundred years, and will likely be seen once again at some point in the future; and 3) Regardless of which way GMT goes over the next several decades — up, down, or flat — the claim will be made by climate scientists that observed temperatures are consistent with climate model predictions.
Chris, let me give an example of potential bias in the selection of statistical maneuvers. I was looking for evoked brainstem responses to high frequency tone busts. These bursts, delivered bia earphones, had a narrow frequency range and sudden onset and offset. We knew enough about human auditory nerve synaptic junctions that we could have done a series of longer and longer box car filters to look for these jumps where we hypothesized they would be (the first through the sixth synaptic junction in the auditory nerve pathway through the lower to upper brainstem). We would have found them and they would have been exact from subject to subject. However, that’s gaming the investigation. Instead we applied a simple averaging. The brainwave random noise from all the electric activity (which the electrodes pick up) cancels out, the periodic synaptic signals (made to do so by the regular auditory signal the subject could hear) add up if they are indeed there. Which one is the robust method of brainstem activity?
And Chris, had I used a boxcar filter method, my paper would have never seen the light of day in peer reviewed journals or the conventions it was presented to. And I would have had the unpleasant experience of having Oregon State University remove it from their library archives of student research.
During this maximum of solar cycle 24 it is amazing that TSI only recovered by .1% from the .15% drop during the recent solar lull and it is equaling amazing that the IMF field is only at 5.5nt.
I would have thought a further recovery during a solar maximum interval for both items.
If I were a betting man I bet the TSI data for the past 10 years – present will be revised.
Salvatore Del Prete says:
July 18, 2014 at 9:40 am
During this maximum of solar cycle 24 it is amazing that TSI only recovered by .1% from the .15% drop during the recent solar lull and it is equaling amazing that the IMF field is only at 5.5nt.
No, it is not amazing at all. As both values are what we would expect for the weak cycle 24. The sun is doing just what it usually does.
Salvatore Del Prete says:
July 18, 2014 at 9:45 am
If I were a betting man I bet the TSI data for the past 10 years – present will be revised.
It most certainly will http://www.leif.org/research/DudokdeWit_announcements.pdf and probably upwards a bit [taking ACRIM into account]
@Willis
Yes I know you remarked on it here, but given the large number of comments both here and at Jo’s, and considering it clearly vexes you in that you feel it is needed to validate the model, don’t you think it worth sending a private email to Dr Evans to ask him where you might find it within the material already released, or if it has not been released to send it you?
I am not sure, with the greatest of respect to you and this fine blog, he is necessarily trawling every remark or criticism you (or anyone else for that matter) makes in order to determine where he might have fallen short. Remiss of him, I’m sure, but in order to authoritatively criticise a failing in his methods and science, don’t you think it worth making sure you have everything you need to do so? And if you feel you don’t, a politely worded email direct to him (much as you did to Phil jones all those years ago) might get you what you need?
Agnostic says:
July 18, 2014 at 10:01 am
don’t you think it worth sending a private email to Dr Evans to ask him where you might find it within the material already released, or if it has not been released to send it you?
Or better: why doesn’t Evans simply come here and explain himself?
Interplanetary magnetic field during the past 9300 years
inferred from cosmogenic radionuclides
F. Steinhilber,1,2 J. A. Abreu,1,2 J. Beer,1,2 and K. G. McCracken3,4
Received 26 February 2009; revised 19 August 2009; accepted 4 September 2009; published 26 January 2010.
[1] We have reconstructed the interplanetary magnetic field (IMF), its radial component,
and the open solar magnetic flux using the solar modulation potential derived from
cosmogenic 10Be radionuclide data for a period covering the past 9300 years.
Reconstructions using the assumption of both constant and variable solar wind speeds
yielded closely similar results. During the Maunder Minimum, the strength of the IMF was
approximately 2 nT compared to a mean value of 6.6 nT for the past 40 years,
corresponding to an increase of the open solar magnetic flux of about 350%. We examine
four cycles of the Hallstatt periodicity in the IMF with a mean period of 2250 years
and an amplitude of 0.75 nT. Grand solar minima have largely occurred in clusters
during the Hallstatt cycle minima around the years 5300, 3400, 1100, and +1500 A.D.
The last cluster includes the Dalton, Maunder, and Spo¨rer minima. We predict that the
next such cluster will occur in about 1500 years. The long-term IMF has varied
between 2 nT and 8 nT and does not confirm a proposed floor (lower limit). There is a
slowly changing long-term trend of amplitude 1.5 nT, with a minimum around the year
4600 and a maximum around 0 A.D. that may be of solar origin but which also may be
due to unknown long-term changes in the atmospheric effects or geomagnetic field
intensity.
Citation: Steinhilber, F., J. A. Abreu, J. Beer, and K. G. McCracken (2010), Interplanetary magnetic field during the past
Research in this article says
IMF mean is 6.6nt for pat 40 years and we are at only 5.5 nt during a solar maximum it seems pretty weak to me.
http://www.terrapub.co.jp/journals/EPS/pdf/5202/52020121.pdf
Figure one shows IMF field is weak compared to the past. I would say very weak
Salvatore Del Prete says:
July 18, 2014 at 10:04 am
IMF mean is 6.6nt for pat 40 years and we are at only 5.5 nt during a solar maximum it seems pretty weak to me.
But very much as expected. For the equally weak SC14 the average IMF was 5.2 nT. Nothing unusual about that.
Salvatore Del Prete says:
July 18, 2014 at 10:15 am
http://www.terrapub.co.jp/journals/EPS/pdf/5202/52020121.pdf
Figure one shows IMF field is weak compared to the past. I would say very weak
That paper is 14 years old…
vukcevic says: Indian Ocean
I looked at cross-correlation of tropical and extra-tropical Indian Ocean , no 5.6 , no 11y. Strong 9.3y lunar cycle and circa 22y.
tropical Indian Ocean: 45E-105E 15S-15N
http://climategrog.wordpress.com/?attachment_id=779
Lockwood ‘s recent research(year 2014) has confirmed much of the past research I have presented.
Salvatore Del Prete says:
July 18, 2014 at 10:30 am
Lockwood ‘s recent research(year 2014) has confirmed much of the past research I have presented.
Lockwood has tried to catch up for the past decade. He has finally gotten so far as to agree with my reconstruction from 2003. He should be congratulated for this great achievement. But he fails before 1840, see slide 29 ff of http://www.leif.org/research/Report-on-Extreme-Space-Weather-Events-2014.pdf
If we take years 2008-2014 the IMF field has a range of 4.0nt-5.5nt in contrast to the average IMF of 6.6nt for past 40 years..
My conclusion weak.
Lockwood’s latest research supports solar variability along the lines of Willie Soon and may other solar research scientist. Conclusion is solar variability is real and varies by more then .1% which I support 100%.
As I have said opposite opinions make for a ball game. Time will tell.