From ‘amazing tales of the vexatious’. Climate Change Dispatch writes:
In a clear slap in the face, the Virginia Supreme Court awarded Michael E. Mann and the University of Virginia a piddling $250 in damages in the email FOIA case. Showing the triviality of the manner, the court’s order (shown here) didn’t even specify the rationale for the derisory amount.
From The Daily Reporter:
The court’s recent order only states the amount of damages that the Energy & Environmental Legal Institute must pay. It doesn’t provide details about the rationale behind the award.
The institute sued in 2011 after U.Va. refused to turn over emails requested by the nonprofit conservative group under Virginia’s Freedom of Information Act. The Supreme Court rejected the group’s attempt to obtain the emails in April, saying retired Arlington Circuit Court Judge Paul Sheridan was right when he ruled that Mann’s emails were exempt from the law because they were proprietary records dealing with scholarly research.
Of course Mann’s incredible ego won’t allow him to see this as a slap in the face, he comments in The Daily Reporter:
“The damages in my view are symbolic,” Mann told The Daily Progress (http://bit.ly/1raJi0m) “What is important is not the $250 itself but the recognition by the court of the frivolous and pernicious nature of the (institute’s) suit.”
Mann, who is now a professor and researcher at Penn State University, said he planned to donate his award to the Climate Science Defense Fund. He said the fund exists “to assist scientists being attacked this way.”
What’s Mann’s hyperinflated ego can’t seem to assimilate, are these facts:
- FOIA is a law, it was put in place specifically so that taxpayer money couldn’t be used for government business without public disclosure. It is not the same as “don’t ask, don’t tell” which is what Mann seems to think applies to his work, IMHO.
- Because it is a law, it is a right to pursue. Asking for work correspondence and work product funded on the taxpayer’s dime is fair game, no matter what the judge says, IMHO.
- If Mann had no issues with the contents of those emails, we wouldn’t see him fighting so hard to protect them. This business about him doing it “for the greater good of science” is a load of bullpuckey to give him hero status, IMHO.
- As we’ve seen in the climategate emails, and more recently in the peer review ring busted and in The PNAS ‘old boys’ club’, the process of science and peer review seems to be more political, than logical. One wonders what sort of similar examples exist that have yet to be discovered.
- Mann is the only climate scientist to launch personal lawsuits against others, there seems to be no examples of the reverse from climate skeptics, personally suing Michael Mann or his peers. The idea of the “Climate Science Legal Defense Fund”, purportedly setup specifically for Mann, seems to be more about offense, than defense.
If I were ATI, I’d send him that $250 in pennies, which is fully legal tender, but also speaks to the triviality of Mann’s complaint, and the fact that the “Climate Science Legal Defense Fund” isn’t about defense as much as it is offense.
UPDATE: From David Schnare, General Counsel, Energy & Environment Legal Institute
There is a lot of misunderstanding about the $250 “damages” assessed by the Court. Any appellant that loses their appeal in the Virginia Supreme Court has to make this payment to the opposing party. It is generally intended to pay for the costs of printing of briefs. It does not include attorney’s fees or any other costs. Mann won’t get a cent. It all goes to the University who may or may not have to transfer it to the Attorney General’s coffers since that is who represented the University and who had to pay for preparation of their briefs.
More importantly, this is not all over. The court only decided the meaning of the term “of a proprietary nature” and they took our (plaintiffs) definition verbatim. They just refused to admit that which was their way of denying us our costs and fees. (We used over $300,000 worth of our time on this case, and thousands of dollars in costs.) What the court did not do was to discuss the rest of the “research exemptions” and that will come up with the next case that is already in the pipeline. That FOIA is seeking all emails associated with John Daly, Steve McIntyre and the IPCC. As none of those were collected by or for the faculty in pursuit of a research project sponsored by UVA, they should not be subject to being withheld. We will see what slimy games the University next plays to prevent the release of those documents. We’ll keep you informed.
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Love the pennies-payment idea.
The verdict just shows you can’t beat the UVA Old Boy network.
Can they appeal?
Meh. A loss would have been better than a win, no matter how trivial. We all owe a great debt if gratitude to the courageous and principled Mark Steyn, the man who just might finally hold this coward’s feet to the fire.
Does he also get costs?
The hit to his wallet is nothing compared to the hit to his credibility. Guilty as charged: priceless
Pennies is a bad idea. It implies being spiteful. Take the high road.
Better yet, Pay him in Vietnamese Dong.
The Dong is valued at 171,430 Dong to the Dollar
That would be 42,857,500
Lets round it to 43 million Dong in single dong notes
Bitcoins?
At $250, that is $249.95 too much. Mann is not worth a plugged nickle.
Pay him the smallest denomination Zimbabwe currency available. Probably weigh more than pennies.
Chilean Peso’s, current exchange rate is 557/US Dollar
Bryan A says: “Better yet, Pay him in Vietnamese Dong.”
Leaving aside the obvious “sweets to the sweet” comment, foreign currency or coin is NOT legal tender. Now, I have heard of a fine being paid in US pennies, yes. But I’ve also heard of a judge calling such a payment “contempt of court.” and giving the defendant an additional penalty involving bad food and worse company. So let’s drop the comments about being witty when paying fines that you can’t pay, anyway. If you want, you can contribute an equivalent amount to Energy & Environmental Legal Institute by check.
send it in pennies, but Postage Due.
Does the award of damages leave Energy & Environmental Legal Institute (the loser) liable for the court costs of the winners (Mann and UVA)? If so, this is a loss.
Payment in carbon credits perchance? 😉
No matter the amount, it says he won 🙁
If I were ATI, I’d send him that $250 in pennies, which is fully legal tender, but also speaks to the triviality of Mann’s complaint, and the fact that the “Climate Science Legal Defense Fund” isn’t about defense as much as it is offense.
The shipping charges could be significant.
In the UK it WAS legal to write a check (Cheque) on anything as long as that item is legally owned and transferred to the issuing bank .. There have been even been cheques written on paving slabs, a cow and host of other ‘annoying’ items.
Paving slab? Imaging someone struggling with that to the bank.
Don’t hold grudges, just pay nicely. Don’t give them any reason to hate you more.
Shipping charges, 250 rolls of pennies, 1/3 lbm each, first class, single box, LAND = $54 US Postal Service.
Do they still offer COD?
The amount is $250 to Mann and the University of Virginia. So do they have to split the difference and each get $125 or do they both get $250? The court order is very vague (likely intentionally).
A mixed result, to be sure.
The legal costs would have been at least a thousand times $250. The judge was sending a message – why are you people wasting the Court’s time with this?
Agree with those above who say the the awarding of costs is the only material financial issue – but if I understand these things correctly, in US civil cases parties usually just have to suck up their own costs.
How about sending the pennies in individual unstamped envelopes 🙂
johanna says:
July 15, 2014 at 11:04 am
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Agree with those above who say the the awarding of costs is the only material financial issue – but if I understand these things correctly, in US civil cases parties usually just have to suck up their own costs.
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Do I detect another FOIA request as to the costs of this to the US taxpayer ?
I think this article is confused. ATI was the appellant, so they were the ones trying to get the judgement reversed. And how likely is it the the Virginia Supreme Court — which went out of its way to protect the University and Mann from FOI requests — would turn around and slap them in the face? I think the slap from the court is directed at ATI. I haven’t read the court documents, so I don’t know for sure what the award is all about, but it seems quite strange that an organization pursuing an FOI request in the court should have damages assessed them. Any claim that the original suit was frivolous is, in my opinion, completely ridiculous.