The scientific method is at work on the USHCN temperature data set

Temperature is such a simple finite thing. It is amazing how complex people can make it.

commenter and friend of WUWT, ossqss at Judith Curry’s blog

Sometimes, you can believe you are entirely right while simultaneously believing that you’ve done due diligence. That’s what confirmation bias is all about. In this case, a whole bunch of people, including me, got a severe case of it.

I’m talking about the claim made by Steve Goddard that 40% of the USHCN data is “fabricated”. which I and few other people thought was clearly wrong.

Dr. Judith Curry and I have been conversing a lot via email over the past two days, and she has written an illuminating essay that explores the issue raised by Goddard and the sociology going on. See her essay:

http://judithcurry.com/2014/06/28/skeptical-of-skeptics-is-steve-goddard-right/

Steve Goddard aka Tony Heller deserves the credit for the initial finding, Paul Homewood deserves the credit for taking the finding and establishing it in a more comprehensible

way that opened closed eyes, including mine, in this post entitled Massive Temperature Adjustments At Luling, Texas.  Along with that is his latest followup, showing the problem isn’t limited to Texas, but also in Kansas. And there’s more about this below.

Goddard early on (June 2) gave me his source code that made his graph, but I

couldn’t get it to compile and run. That’s probably more my fault than his, as I’m not an expert in C++ computer language. Had I been able to, things might have gone differently. Then there was the fact that the problem Goddard noted doesn’t show up in GHCN data and I didn’t see the problem in any of the data we had for our USHCN surface stations analysis.

But, the thing that really put up a wall for me was this moment on June 1st, shortly after getting Goddard’s first email with his finding, which I pointed out in On ‘denying’ Hockey Sticks, USHCN data, and all that – part 1.

Goddard initially claimed 40% of the STATIONS were missing, which I said right away was not possible. It raised my hackles, and prompted my “you need to do better” statement. Then he switched the text in his post from stations to data while I was away for a couple of hours at my daughter’s music recital. When I returned, I noted the change, with no note of the change on his post, and that is what really put up the wall for me. He probably looked at it like he was just fixing a typo, I looked at it like it was sweeping an important distinction under the rug.

Then there was my personal bias over previous episodes where Goddard had made what I considered grievous errors, and refused to admit to them. There was the claim of CO2 freezing out of the air in Antarctica episode, later shown to be impossible by an experiment and the GISStimating 1998 episode,  and the comment where when the old data is checked and it is clear Goddard/Heller’s claim doesn’t hold up.

And then just over a month ago there was Goddard’s first hockey stick shape in the USHCN data set, which turned out to be nothing but an artifact.

All of that added up to a big heap of confirmation bias, I was so used to Goddard being wrong, I expected it again, but this time Steve Goddard was right and my confirmation bias prevented me from seeing that there was in fact a real issue in the data and that NCDC has dead stations that are reporting data that isn’t real: mea culpa.

But, that’s the same problem many climate scientists have, they are used to some skeptics being wrong on some issues, so they put up a wall. That is why the careful and exacting analyses we see from Steve McIntyre should be a model for us all. We have to “do better” to make sure that claims we make are credible, documented, phrased in non-inflammatory language, understandable, and most importantly, right.

Otherwise, walls go up, confirmation bias sets in.

Now that the wall is down, NCDC won’t be able to ignore this, even John Nielsen-Gammon, who was critical of Goddard along with me in the Polifact story now says there is a real problem. So does Zeke, and we have all sent or forwarded email to NCDC advising them of it.

I’ve also been on the phone Friday with the assistant director of NCDC and chief scientist (Tom Peterson), and also with the person in charge of USHCN (Matt Menne). Both were quality, professional conversations, and both thanked me for bringing it to their attention.  There is lots of email flying back and forth too.

They are taking this seriously, they have to, as final data as currently presented for USHCN is clearly wrong. John Neilsen-Gammon sent me a cursory analysis for Texas USHCN stations, noting he found a number of stations that had “estimated” data in place of actual good data that NCDC has in hand, and appears in the RAW USHCN data file on their FTP site

From:John Nielsen-Gammon

Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 9:27 AM

To: Anthony

Subject: Re: USHCN station at Luling Texas

 Anthony –
   I just did a check of all Texas USHCN stations.  Thirteen had estimates in place of apparently good data.
410174 Estimated May 2008 thru June 2009
410498 Estimated since Oct 2011
410639 Estimated since July 2012 (exc Feb-Mar 2012, Nov 2012, Mar 2013, and May 2013)
410902 Estimated since Aug 2013
411048 Estimated July 2012 thru Feb 2014
412906 Estimated since Jan 2013
413240 Estimated since March 2013
413280 Estimated since Oct 2012
415018 Estimated since April 2010, defunct since Dec 2012
415429 Estimated since May 2013
416276 Estimated since Nov 2012
417945 Estimated since May 2013
418201Estimated since April 2013 (exc Dec 2013).

What is going on is that the USHCN code is that while the RAW data file has the actual measurements, for some reason the final data they publish doesn’t get the memo that good data is actually present for these stations, so it “infills” it with estimated data using data from surrounding stations. It’s a bug, a big one. And as Zeke did a cursory analysis Thursday night, he discovered it was systemic to the entire record, and up to 10% of stations have “estimated” data spanning over a century:

Analysis by Zeke Hausfather
Analysis by Zeke Hausfather

And here is the real kicker, “Zombie weather stations” exist in the USHCN final data set that are still generating data, even though they have been closed.

Remember Marysville, CA, the poster child for bad station siting? It was the station that gave me my “light bulb moment” on the issue of station siting. Here is a photo I took in May 2007:

marysville_badsiting[1]

It was closed just a couple of months after I introduced it to the world as the prime example of “How not to measure temperature”. The MMTS sensor was in a parking lot, with hot air from a/c units from the nearby electronics sheds for the cell phone tower:

MarysvilleCA_USHCN_Site_small

Guess what? Like Luling, TX, which is still open, but getting estimated data in place of the actual data in the final USHCN data file, even though it was marked closed in 2007 by NOAA’s own metadata, Marysville is still producing estimated monthly data, marked with an “E” flag:

USH00045385 2006  1034E    1156h    1036g    1501h    2166i    2601E 2905E    2494E    2314E    1741E    1298E     848i       0

USH00045385 2007   797c    1151E    1575i    1701E    2159E    2418E 2628E    2620E    2197E    1711E    1408E     846E       0

USH00045385 2008   836E    1064E    1386E    1610E    2146E    2508E 2686E    2658E    2383E    1906E    1427E     750E       0

USH00045385 2009   969E    1092E    1316E    1641E    2238E    2354E 2685E    2583E    2519E    1739E    1272E     809E       0

USH00045385 2010   951E    1190E    1302E    1379E    1746E    2401E 2617E    2427E    2340E    1904E    1255E    1073E       0

USH00045385 2011   831E     991E    1228E    1565E    1792E    2223E 2558E    2536E    2511E    1853E    1161E     867E       0

USH00045385 2012   978E    1161E    1229E    1646E    2147E    2387E 2597E    2660E    2454E    1931E    1383E     928E       0

USH00045385 2013   820E    1062E    1494E    1864E    2199E    2480E 2759E    2568E    2286E    1807E    1396E     844E       0

USH00045385 2014  1188E    1247E    1553E    1777E    2245E 2526E   -9999    -9999    -9999    -9999    -9999    -9999

Source:  USHCN Final : ushcn.tavg.latest.FLs.52i.tar.gz

Compare to USHCN Raw : ushcn.tavg.latest.raw.tar.gz

In the USHCN V2.5 folder, the readme file describes the “E” flag as:

E = a monthly value could not be computed from daily data. The value is estimated using values from surrounding stations

There are quite a few “zombie weather stations” in the USHCN final dataset, possibly up to 25% out of the 1218 that is the total number of stations. In my conversations with NCDC on Friday, I’m told these were kept in and “reporting” as a policy decision to provide a “continuity” of data for scientific purposes. While there “might” be some justification for that sort of thinking, few people know about it there’s no disclaimer or caveat in the USHCN FTP folder at NCDC or in the readme file that describes this, they “hint” at it saying:

The composition of the network remains unchanged at 1218 stations

But that really isn’t true, as some USHCN stations out of the 1218 have been closed and are no longer reporting real data, but instead are reporting estimated data.

NCDC really should make this clear, and while it “might” be OK to produce a datafile that has estimated data in it, not everyone is going to understand what that means, and that the stations that have been long dead are producing estimated data. NCDC has failed in notifying the public, and even their colleagues of this. Even the Texas State Climatologist John Nielsen-Gammon didn’t know about these “zombie” stations until I showed him. If he had known, his opinion might have been different on the Goddard issue. When even professional people in your sphere of influence don’t know you are doing dead weather station data infills like this, you can be sure that your primary mission to provide useful data is FUBAR.

NCDC needs to step up and fix this along with other problems that have been identified.

And they are, I expect some sort of a statement, and possibly a correction next week. In the meantime, let’s let them do their work and go through their methodology. It will not be helpful to ANYONE if we start beating up the people at NCDC ahead of such a statement and/or correction.

I will be among the first, if not the first to know what they are doing to fix the issues, and as soon as I know, so will all of you. Patience and restraint is what we need at the moment. I believe they are making a good faith effort, but as you all know the government moves slowly, they have to get policy wonks to review documents and all that. So, we’ll likely hear something early next week.

These lapses in quality control and thinking that infilling estimated data for long dead weather stations is the sort of thing happens when the only people that you interact with are inside your sphere of influence. The “yeah that seems like a good idea” approval mumble probably resonated in that NCDC meeting, but it was a case of groupthink. Imagine The Wall Street Journal providing “estimated” stock values for long dead companies to provide “continuity” of their stock quotes page. Such a thing would boggle the mind and the SEC would have a cow, not to mention readers. Scams would erupt trying to sell stocks for these long dead companies; “It’s real, see its reporting value in the WSJ!”.

It often takes people outside of climate science to point out the problems they don’t see, and skeptics have been doing it for years. Today, we are doing it again.

For absolute clarity, I should point out that the RAW USHCN monthly datafile is NOT being infilled with estimated data, only the FINAL USHCN monthly datafile. But that is the one that many other metrics use, including NASA GISS, and it goes into the mix for things like the NCDC monthly State of the Climate Report.

While we won’t know until all of the data is corrected and new numbers run, this may affect some of the absolute temperature claims made on SOTC reports such as “warmest month ever” and 3rd warmest, etc. The magnitude of such shifts, if any, is unknown at this point. Long term trend will probably not be affected.

It may also affect our comparisons between raw and final adjusted USHCN data we have been doing for our paper, such as this one from our draft paper:

Watts_et_al_2012 Figure20 CONUS Compliant-NonC-NOAA

The exception is BEST, which starts with the raw daily data, but they might be getting tripped up into creating some “zombie stations” of their own by the NCDC metadata and resolution improvements to lat/lon. The USHCN station at Luling Texas is listed as having 7 station moves by BEST (note the red diamonds):

Luling-TX-BEST

But there really has only been two, and the station has been just like this since 1995, when it was converted to MMTS from a Stevenson Screen. Here is our survey image from 2009:

Luling_looking_north

Photo by surfacestations volunteer John Warren Slayton.

NCDC’s metadata only lists two station moves:

image

As you can see below, some improvements in lat/lon accuracy can look like a station move:

image

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/homr/#ncdcstnid=20024457&tab=LOCATIONS

image

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/homr/#ncdcstnid=20024457&tab=MISC

Thanks to Paul Homewood for the two images and links above. I’m sure Mr. Mosher will let us know if this issue affects BEST or not.

And there is yet another issue: The recent change of something called “climate divisions” to calculate the national and state temperatures.

Certified Consulting Meteorologist and Fellow of the AMS Joe D’Aleo writes in with this:

I had downloaded the Maine annual temperature plot from NCDC Climate at a Glance in 2013 for a talk. There was no statistically significant trend since 1895. Note the spike in 1913 following super blocking from Novarupta in Alaska (similar to the high latitude volcanoes in late 2000s which helped with the blocking and maritime influence that spiked 2010 as snow was gone by March with a steady northeast maritime Atlantic flow). 1913 was close to 46F. and the long term mean just over 41F.

 CAAG_Maine_before

Seemingly in a panic change late this frigid winter to NCDC, big changes occurred. I wanted to update the Maine plot for another talk and got this from NCDC CAAG. 

CAAG_maine_after

Note that 1913 was cooled nearly 5 degrees F and does not stand out. There is a warming of at least 3 degrees F since 1895 (they list 0.23/decade) and the new mean is close to 40F.

Does anybody know what the REAL temperature of Maine is/was/is supposed to be? I sure as hell don’t. I don’t think NCDC really does either.

In closing…

Besides moving toward a more accurate temperature record, the best thing about all this hoopla over the USHCN data set is the Polifact story where we have all these experts lined up (including me as the token skeptic) that stated without a doubt that Goddard was wrong and rated the claim “pants of fire”.

They’ll all be eating some crow, as will I, but now that I have Gavin for dinner company, I don’t really mind at all.

When the scientific method is at work, eventually, everybody eats crow. The trick is to be able to eat it and tell people that you are honestly enjoying it, because crow is so popular, it is on the science menu daily.

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July 1, 2014 6:12 pm

mogur2013 says:
I am convinced that the global temperatures have risen since industrialization, and I tend to think that man has contributed significantly to that rise.
First, define “significantly”. 50%? More? I don’t think there is any evidence whatever for that assumption.
Next, how would you explain this? Note that the step changes since the 1880’s are irrespective of human CO2 emissions, which began to seriously rise in the 1940’s. It takes true belief to think that the first warming step was not caused by human CO2, but the the same later rise was.
Next, looking at one-tenth degree fluctuations is well within error bars for the instrumentation used. When we look at whole degrees, there is nothing to be alarmed about.
Next, the current warming is nothing special. It has happened repeatedly during the present Holocene. I count at least twenty “hockey sticks” before industrialization.
Yes, global T is up — slightly. But nothing to worry about. And for many years now, global warming has not happened. It is now global cooling.

mogur2013
July 1, 2014 9:15 pm


Okay, I see that you are passionate. Good for you. When I said that I am not convinced that global warming is disastrous, what part convinced you to attack me with one tenth degree fluctuations? Global cooling is a bit out there, isn’t it? Come on, db, can we not agree that the record may be corrupt and work together to figure out how, why, and who is responsible? Do we really need to partition everyone into ‘believers’ and ‘heretics’? I neither ‘believe’ in Mann, nor do I believe in Monckton. I want to find the truth.
As to your question about significance, I don’t really know. There are datasets by people that I don’t know and cant verify. I only have an undergraduate degree in science. But I believe in the scientific method. I quit science because I know from first hand experience that there is an unbelievable amount of ego and stratification of prestige involved with academy. As a carpenter, I learned to measure twice and cut once. Some of the pundits are cutting without even one measurement.

Editor
July 2, 2014 1:05 am

At first glance, the most egregious case seems to be
USH00015749 MUSCLE SHOALS AP
Raw data 1940 – 2014
Final data 1893 – 2014 (YES!)
The additional values at the front (1893 to late 1940) are all flagged “E”. So this doesn’t look like a case of joining the records of 2 nearby stations. The “E” flags are an admission that the values were not measured.

July 2, 2014 3:25 am

“Next, looking at one-tenth degree fluctuations is well within error bars for the instrumentation used. When we look at whole degrees, there is nothing to be alarmed about.”
Talk about a tempest in a teapot. Global warming is it. The chart using the whole degree scale should be published by every newspaper and news site in the USA. It puts things into perspective for numskulls like me.
Feels like we’re chasing computerized thought experiments down a rabbit hole.
CAGW is like being in a meeting where one outspoken, passionate person brings up a pet project so dumb it makes everyone’s eyes roll back in their heads. But no one stops that person. And soon the whole table has an opinion on the project. Then before you know it, the boss is nodding his head and someone’s drafted next steps and action items, adjusted company strategy and allocated resources to it.
Politicians who shouldn’t be in the conversations on climate science are now leading them. Too bad climate science isn’t a bit more like theoretical astrophysics. Because then most Americans would sit back, relax and assume Sheldon from the Big Bang Theory is handling it.

Nick
July 2, 2014 6:19 am

I made a post at Goddard’s site early on in this brouhaha. I urged him to show source code – although I was unclear, and someone showed me his download code (which I had seen before) and insulted me for being lazy. I meant he should show his code that he uses to create each graph snippet. If he did that it would follow McIntyre’s example, but he doesn’t. I haven’t checked back to see if he changed his ways, but if does now, I applaud him. If he doesn’t he should.

July 2, 2014 8:51 pm

So tired of people invoking McIntyre’s name to try and manipulate those they disagree with.

T Montag
July 3, 2014 5:19 am

From http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/national/2012/7
The average temperature for the contiguous U.S. during July was 77.6°F, 3.3°F above the 20th century average, marking the warmest July and all-time warmest month on record for the nation in a period of record that dates back to 1895. The previous warmest July for the nation was July 1936, when the average U.S. temperature was 77.4°F.
I thought this information was wrong.. and being corrected. Did I miss something?

Editor
July 3, 2014 9:37 am

Poptech says:
July 2, 2014 at 8:51 pm

So tired of people invoking McIntyre’s name to try and manipulate those they disagree with.

Thanks, Poptech. Steve McIntyre’s name gets invoked as an exemplar of people who are perfectly transparent about their scientific work, always publishing code and data for each of his analyses.
Unfortunately, there are not a whole lot of folks on either side of the climate aisle who have followed his example. So we don’t have a lot of folks whose names might bear mentioning in the same regard, and as a result McIntyre’s name gets overused. If you’d like say Phil Jones to get the same respect, you might have a quiet word with him about his scientific practices …
As to whether mentioning someone as an examplar of transparent scientific practice is an attempt to “manipulate” other people, it’s usually not that at all. Almost without exception, it is in an attempt to get the person to stop hiding their code and data from public view.
Now, I suppose you could describe trying to get someone to grow up, become a transparent and honest scientist and reveal all of their work as “manipulation” … but if so, I wish every scientist would get manipulated.
Instead, there’s always random, generally anonymous internet popups like yourself denigrating the push for scientific transparency in various ways. Your attempt above to cover for those hiding their code and data by vainly trying to diss a person whose scientific practice is beyond reproach is just another example of the actions of people who are afraid of what the code and data might show …
Regards,
w.

astonerii
July 3, 2014 3:19 pm

One reason I have stopped coming to WUWT and seeing it as a valuable knowledge base for fighting the false Anthropogenic Global Warming theory is that it has seemed to have decided that it is best to milk the whole Global Warming, Climate Change scam to its largest degree by actually prolonging the duration in which the AGW scammers are able to retain any actual credibility.
I think you go way too far out of your way to always give the scammers the benefit of every possible and many impossible doubts.

Editor
July 3, 2014 3:36 pm

astonerii says:
July 3, 2014 at 3:19 pm

One reason I have stopped coming to WUWT and seeing it as a valuable knowledge base for fighting the false Anthropogenic Global Warming theory is that it has seemed to have decided that it is best to milk the whole Global Warming, Climate Change scam to its largest degree by actually prolonging the duration in which the AGW scammers are able to retain any actual credibility.
I think you go way too far out of your way to always give the scammers the benefit of every possible and many impossible doubts.

And we’re supposed to just guess which posts provide the evidence for this curious claim of yours?
Details, facts, links, and quotes are your friend, astoneriii, because without any of them, your opinion is … well … unanswerable.
w.

DHF
July 3, 2014 4:24 pm

Bob Dedekind says:
June 30, 2014 at 10:00 pm
“Furthermore, I believe, as Anthony mentioned somewhere previously, that we may be able to crowd-source this. Some of us know our local data fairly well, and we should be able to nominate a station or two for inclusion in our region.Of course, according to Real Climate Scientists™ we may need only 50 or so stations globally.”
Not very easy to find traceable untouched records. Do you happen to be part of a network of professionals who might provide high integrity temperature records for such analysis?

mogur2013
July 3, 2014 7:01 pm

@db
That is how we leave this discussion? Heller didn’t cherry pick the only part of the RSS record that shows a decline? Yet, somehow I ‘cherry picked’ the entire record? If you can’t simply admit that I showed by using his own device (woodfortrees graphing), that I demolished his claim that GISS data is corrupt by his using the only narrow slice of data that supports his contention, then what have we to discuss? You want him to bolster his views with anecdotal or cherry picked narrow slices of the data record? Db, come on, tell me that Heller is correct in using any little part of a graph to support his inane views. Please. Anything?

Bob Dedekind
July 4, 2014 4:25 am

DHF says:July 3, 2014 at 4:24 pm

“Not very easy to find traceable untouched records. Do you happen to be part of a network of professionals who might provide high integrity temperature records for such analysis?”

I can only help out with our local New Zealand stations, but perhaps if the efforts were co-ordinated, we might find people in each designated region who could do the same with their own local data.
Working manually with 50 to 250 stations is certainly possible, and there would be no need for complex automatic algorithms that aren’t very good.

July 4, 2014 5:46 am

Willis, you are the ultimate hypocrite, as I have been waiting on your “computer climate modeling” code for months but we all know you are not a computer climate modeler so it does not exist. I have done more for transparency than most commentators here by exposing bullshit artists posing as scientists, with everything going according to plan.

Editor
July 4, 2014 11:01 am

Poptech says:
July 4, 2014 at 5:46 am

Willis, you are the ultimate hypocrite, …

Hey, being the best at things is just a gift …

… as I have been waiting on your “computer climate modeling” code for months but we all know you are not a computer climate modeler so it does not exist. I have done more for transparency than most commentators here by exposing bullshit artists posing as scientists, with everything going according to plan.

Poptech, you’ve made an entire career out of hating on me. You’ve got web pages devoted to calling me all kinds of names, and accusing me of everything from breach of promise to mopery on the skyways.
I find it hilarious. When you first started, I tried to point out all of the ways that you were wrong about me … foolish me. Your bizarre crusade has nothing to do with truth. And as a result, I gave up trying to satisfy your endless need to harass people by demanding documentation that you can dismiss and discard as not being what you wanted.
I know you think you’re “exposing bullshit artists posing as scientists”, Poptech. What you haven’t seemed to have noticed is that the way scientists like myself expose such people is to point out the flaws in their science.
Since you haven’t done that, and are instead resorting to ad hominem attacks, I have to conclude that you haven’t been able to find any flaws in my science … and that in fact your quest has little to do with science, but instead is driven by personal animosity.
Poptech, whether or not some unpleasant anonymous internet popup believes I am a “scientist”, whatever that might to you, is of zero importance to me.
So you can go and add this interaction to your web page chronicling my sins, because me, I gave up trying to satisfy you a long time ago. I tried that, and quickly found out that nothing I could do would ever be good enough for you … so why do anything?
Here’s the crazy part, and I’m kind of unwilling to tell you this. People are hating on me all over the web, so you’ll have to take a number and get in line. Whenever I put up a new post, three times out of four within a day or so the haters like you are fulminating at me all over the web. Tamino loves to rag on me, the Weasel gets his jollies that way, you sit in your mom’s basement and pleasure yourself while publishing my imaginary sins, it’s a whole cottage industry out there.
What none of you seems to notice is that all that does is drive traffic to my work and to this web site. Someone comes across one of your rants at your site, and thinks “Dang! That Willis must be the ultimate something … I wonder what he said to get Poptech’s panties in such a twist?”
So they come here to read the words of the ultimate arch-fiend … and they find good, solid, defensible science, along with discussions of same.
More traffic for the website, more people reading my work … what’s not to like?
In any case, Poptech, whatever you want to do, you’ll have to do it without my assistance. After all the ugly untrue accusations you’ve made about me, I’m overjoyed to hear that you have been “waiting for months” for something or other, and I hope you wait forever … so how about you run along and do that, and leave the adults alone?
w.

July 4, 2014 3:33 pm

Willis, it is fascinating to see you fabricate more nonsense. I don’t hate you and never have but I do not believe you are scientist and have supported my argument with facts. I have exactly one webpage showing this and here are more facts:
1. I did not call you any names.
2. I did not accuse you of anything but instead have made some well supported speculations.
3. My only demands have been for your “compute climate model” code to prove you are “computer climate modeler” – something we both know you are not.
4. My argument has always been whether you are a professional or amateur scientist – I believe you to be an amateur scientist, so does Dr. Spencer.
Someone comes across one of your rants at your site, and thinks “Dang! That Willis must be the ultimate something … I wonder what he said to get Poptech’s panties in such a twist? So they come here to read the words of the ultimate arch-fiend … and they find good, solid, defensible science, along with discussions of same.
Nope, this has never happened.
I have not made any untrue accusations against you. All my well supported speculations are laid out with the facts and people are more then capable to make up their own minds about them.

JohnH
Reply to  Poptech
July 4, 2014 4:06 pm

“3. My only demands have been for your “compute climate model” code to prove you are “computer climate modeler” – something we both know you are not.
4. My argument has always been whether you are a professional or amateur scientist – I believe you to be an amateur scientist, so does Dr. Spencer.”
Why does it matter if one is computer modeler or not? It’s not as if the credibility of the climate models confer any special status. Actually, given the failure of the models, it’s quite the opposite.
Likewise, who cares if someone is a ‘professional’ vs. amateur scientist? What matters here is the logic and rigor of one’s arguments. Do they hold up under scrutiny or not? That’s the essence of real science, not the dubious distinction of some professional designation.
So trying to marginalize someone by calling them an ‘amateur’ is to merely throw an insult. Grow up.

July 4, 2014 4:17 pm

It matters when they claimed to be one,
http://web.archive.org/web/20120218062457/http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/8349545/Unscientific-hype-about-the-flooding-risks-from-climate-change-will-cost-us-all-dear.html
“…by Willis Eschenbach, a very experienced computer modeller.”
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/10/09/dr-roy-spencers-ill-considered-comments-on-citizen-science/#comment-1445190
“…I am indeed a computer modeler of some small ability”
Credentials matter and people have the right to be informed of them when someone is claimed to be a “scientist”. Many people care, especially if they feel they have been misled. I am simply putting Mr. Eschenbach’s “science” in it’s appropriate context.

July 4, 2014 6:21 pm

DHF
July 6, 2014 4:35 am

Bob Dedekind says:
July 4, 2014 at 4:25 am
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To avoid adjustment routines, effort should be invested in quality control of the measurements.
What will be needed is
1. Text information about each temperature measurement station:
Location.
Elevation.
Information about the type of equipment, maintenance regime, quality of measurement and uncertainty estimate.
Pictures documenting that the close environment has not likely been significantly changed over the course of years.
Identification of the reviewer(s) of the station information and data
For traceability, information about each metering station should be combined into a common document.
2. Original data series and a standard format data series for for each station containing a plain temperature reading at a constant time.
Date and time (ISO 8601 format: YYYY-MM-DD HHMMZ)
Temperature (K)
Preferably one measurement each day or two measurements at 12 hours interval.
No removal, addition or correction of data should be performed without sufficient documentation.
Ideally the station should have an unbroken record with no need for corrections.
I am not overly concerned about uncertainty of each measurement, as random uncertainty will tend to cancel when combined in the averaging process. However we should be aware of potential significant systematic drift, or shifts due to change of equipment or adjustment. I think 50 stations is close to the low limit to obtain sufficiently low uncertainty. More stations could be used to reduce uncertainty or make an independent set. At least the result would be traceable and not subject to uncertainty or systematic effects from algorithms.
Feasible, reasonable, sufficient . . ?

DHF
July 6, 2014 11:05 am

Seems that original data in original format will be available. Digitized data will also be available, first at monthly resolution. No doubt that quantity of temperature station has been prioritized:
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2014/07/release-of-the-international-surface-temperature-initiatives-istis-global-land-surface-databank-an-expanded-set-of-fundamental-surface-temperature-records/
Wonder if information about individual station quality will also be easily available?

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