Climategate as belief system tipping point

WOW.
Her regular readers will not be terribly surprised to read this.
Still – it is bracing to remember Professor Curry’s recent years of rethinking. And “rethinking the science” is something absent from worthy, accomplished scientists like Susan Solomon, or the less worthy Sir John Houghton. Their youtube presentations on global warming show really none at all through the years.

“Catastopharians…” Brilliant! However, the Rastafarians and Pastafarians may take exception…you know, like “deniers”…./sarc tag for safety

Although I am not a Keynesian by any stretch, I’ve always liked this quote: “When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?” Seems to capture the point nicely.

Tom Bowden says:
May 21, 2014 at 2:14 am
Although I am not a Keynesian by any stretch, I’ve always liked this quote: “When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?” Seems to capture the point nicely.

Of course Keynesianism as currently practiced has a LOT in common with the Gaia Watermelon Cult if you ponder it.
Paul “Krugaton” Krugman for example.
1) we’re in a recession we need to unleash the Xerox cannon and presses boys
2) Porkulous I the largest stimulus ever executed on Earth outside of war
3) when Porkulous fails(as it did) “we need MORE stimulus spending”
I reject out of hand any discipline in “science” that has as a cornerstone of its experimental paradigm that any failure of said theory can only be remedied by increasing the active ingredient, and refuses to examine the underlying structure of an attempted action.
Keynesianism’s current stepchildren and climate “science” both fit the above.

Apparently “new research” from Oxford university shows Climategate only had a “fleeting” effect.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/may/20/climategate-longterm-level-climate-change-scepticism
Fleeting as in scupper COP15 in Copenhagen?
Still , if you’ve lost the battle , lost the argument and given up on objective science you can always try rewriting history.

Wonder how we shut up this incredible super hack: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/kerry-if-were-wrong-climate-change-whats-worst-can-happen_793392.html

I wonder why more don’t join her lead.
Come on climatologists, be brave, don’t be the last alarmist in town!

xanonymousblog
“…When even Lindzen …doesn’t buy into the solar argument, I think it’s fair to say he and I both deny solar influence, and unashamedly so, since the argument is so poor in the first place”.
Doesn’t this all rather depend on clouds?
Until we can do the physics/modelling of clouds (and either confirm or disconfirm the role of solar) isn’t all the rest rather pointless?

I think Judith Curry will be remembered for her courage and honesty long after Mann, Cook, Jones, etc have been forgotten. She is a true heroine and role model for aspiring scientists everywhere.

OMG! Now it’s going after our history! Good thing we probably aren’t causing it…:
http://news.yahoo.com/climate-change-threatens-30-u-landmarks-science-advocacy-231215427.html
Excerpt:
Climate change threatens 30 U.S. landmarks: science advocacy group
(Reuters) – Climate change is threatening U.S. landmarks from the Statue of Liberty in New York Harbor to the César Chávez National Monument in Keene, California with floods, rising sea levels and fires, scientists said on Tuesday.
National Landmarks at Risk, a report published by the Union of Concerned Scientists, highlighted more than two dozen sites that potentially face serious natural disasters. They include Boston’s historic districts, the Harriet Tubman National Monument in Maryland and an array of NASA sites including the Kennedy Space Center in Cape Canaveral, Florida.
“The imminent risks to these sites and the artifacts they contain threaten to pull apart the quilt that tells the story of the nation’s heritage and history,” Adam Markham, director of climate impacts at the union, a non-profit organization for science advocacy in Washington D.C. and the study’s co-author, said in a statement.

Like most leftists, Kerry is convinced that there is no downside to more taxes and regulations.
(And for him and other elitists, there usually are none. The rest of us aren’t so lucky.)

You folks don’t get it. They KNOW more fossil fuel use, milder weather and more abundant crops would be great for people. They don’t want that. They HATE people.

Although I am not a Keynesian by any stretch, I’ve always liked this quote: “When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?” Seems to capture the point nicely.
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IIRC that quote is by John Stuart Mills, not Keynes.

Obama, Kerry, Brown, and others seem to believe that energy buried somewhere in the depths of the Ocean and not seen for 15-17 years is the cause of increasing wildfires, hurricanes, and tornadoes – none of which are happening. Dr. Curry has not bought this load of goods. Still, she could do with much more exposure to pre-1900 histories as frequently presented on relevant blog postings.
California fires? See this:
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/oct/15/opinion/oe-rutten15
“It’s interesting to recall that our worst single fire preceded urbanization. During the last week of September, the Great Fire of 1889 burned more than 300,000 acres in northern San Diego County and southern Orange County, killing thousands of sheep and destroying the unharvested barley crop.”
Further, regarding warming – whether, whatever, whenever – “the catastropharians” see only good in their remaking and control of society [See John Kerry’s ‘what’s the worse that can happen’ speech]. The government enforced “electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket” plans have worked well in Spain, Germany, and the UK — a wealth transfer from the average folks to the rich and connected.
The news is full of Antarctic ice news — basically irrelevant as shown on WUWT yesterday. The 97 % consensus crap is repeated endlessly without question. CO2 in the atmosphere continues to increase. And the world does not warm. Good grief!

I had the pleasure of shaking Judith Curry’s hand and thanking her personally for her open and independently focused blog. It was at the 2012 Annual AGU Meeting in San Francisco in early December.
I hope to meet her again.
John

Lionell Griffith says:
May 21, 2014 at 7:32 am
The interesting thing about Keynes is that he named things that weren’t there but pretended as if they did. His core principle was that a snake could grow fat by simply eating its tail but used far more technical sounding words than that to say it. What else is endless deficit spending on the part of governments other than an attempt to implement that principle?
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I may be misunderstanding you here but Keynes never advocated “endless deficit spending”. What almost every politician and economist who claims allegiance to Keynes fails to understand is that he actually suggested that governments should run a surplus in boom times so that they could then, if necessary, run a deficit in times of recession. ‘Keynsians’ generally forget the first bit and misapply the second bit which is why most of them are cheerleaders for permanent deficit spending.
@Michael Palmer – no, not John Stuart Mill but possibly not Keynes either as there seems to be a certain amount of doubt as to whether he actually said it. It’s always attributed to Keynes in one form or another however.

Dr. Curry has progressed but there is still the equivocation and the use of terms like “politicization” and “cause” are easy examples of keeping it vague and diplomatic beyond any reason (other than a quirky personal political framework).
September 1st 1939; “Germany involved in a border dispute with Poland”
I suppose that would be an accurate description of “facts” but is it anywhere near truthful? Dr. Curry has a million ways of alluding to the truth about the “cause” of climate science bias, motivations and corruption but the social acceptance that she isn’t required to name it directly and the key parties political culture make it all “truthy” not truthful.
Low bar skeptics lead us to disaster historically. They are as much a hazard, in practice, as Earthday “Che” tee-shirt “advocates” to coin another vague descriptor all over Dr. Curry’s statements.
No Whitaker Chambers status for Dr. Curry just yet, we need the whole confession and summary of events driven by Green political culture. Yes, of course she knows and her reasons for obfuscating the motives of events (how Climate Science found its way here) are less than noble.

Mr Green Genes says:
May 21, 2014 at 9:29 am
Keynes died a pretty unhappy man about the state of his policy work, the idiots who endlessly twisted and contorted his views. What he would of thought of the buffoonery of a Paul Krugman one can only wonder. The permanent, government managed inflationist system was not something he perceived to have advocated even if that is the net result in practice in his name.
After the great conflict, the second (third if you consider the Depression itself as an entity) in his lifetime he was deeply depressed about the essential debt destruction of the British establishment that was evident at Bretton Woods. Certainly he realized his contribution to British economic decline and what the implications of carrying forward compounded social debts would mean to the world.

Can you think of any other comment more relational to the climate/Keynes orthodox then below??;

Mike Bromley the Kurd said @ May 21, 2014 at 1:47 am

“Catastopharians…” Brilliant! However, the Rastafarians and Pastafarians may take exception…you know, like “deniers”…./sarc tag for safety

Watch out for itchy areas, when you meet them masturbarias…

‘Climategate as belief system tipping point’, No. the real tipping point is:-
Co2 tipping point!
‘There’s a really interesting paper from the Journal Science…by Stephen Davies, Carnegie Institute Stamford, California, they have asked the question we are all worried about climate change, we are all worried can we rescue the Earth from it’s fate…but is it already too late or if we make changes now can we turn it around…is it yet game over or not. They approached this in an interesting way what they did, if we take all the energy infrastructure and the traffic and population, we know on Earth at the moment and freeze that in time and therefore let it live out it’s life time because they know coal power station lasts 40 years, a car for about 17 years, people are around 60-70 years, an so on, we know therefore how much co2 that lot is going to produce and they come up with about 500 billion tons co2 between now and 2060, they say that will warm the Earth up by about 1.3C compared to pre-industrial levels when we started to real churn out the co2. That’s about 0.7C hotter than now…what will that do to co2 ultimately though…that means the Earth will stabilize at 430ppm…that will mean we are a lot way short of 450ppm,…the point of no return, when we think the climate will go into positive feedback cycle and the game would be over…in other words it is not the present infrastructure …it’s what we are going to build next so in other words we have to pay particular attention to making sure we roll out carbon free infrastructure, as Stephen Davies explains…’BBC Radio 5.
Listen to it in full at:-

“””””…..milodonharlani says:
May 22, 2014 at 10:31 am
sven10077 says:
May 21, 2014 at 2:58 am
Its father would not recognize Neo-Keynsianism as advocated by Krugman & other acolytes. The movement takes his name in vain. Keynes, whatever his other faults, understood that inflation (increase in the money supply) was not always a good thing, if ever……”””””
The first ever (known) extended period of inflation; never corrected later by deflation occurred in the 1500s; It was caused by GOLD & and SILVER. the inflation proof safe havens..
Somebody tracked the CPI from 1066 to the recent present; seems like a good place to start.
The index, went up and down, with this war, and that plague, but usually stayed flat, with about 20-30 year glitches, just like the climate.
Then in the 1500s, it took off on a steep ramp up to a new plateau at six times the number, and stayed there till the US went off the gold standard, and has been going up ever since at that same Elizabethan era slope.
It was the Spaniard’s rape of the Americas, that carted gold and silver, and gemstones back to Europe on their pirate ships.
Wasn’t any more goods being made, so the prices just skyrocketed to absorb all the fake money.
Well Frankie Drake and his fellow English pirates, raided the Spanish fleets, and got their own share of the loot. But QE-I met them at the docks, and grabbed the loot, for the Royal coffers.
Used it to buy the British Empire, instead, so “England missed out on Europe’s first inflation.
Today, prices of food are skyrocketing, and fuel too. Bread and milk are each five dollars.
But they no longer seem to count that in the CPI any more, so the gummint says there is no inflation. And people still hoard goldor silver, as if you can eat the stuff. Well that depends on there being an even bigger idiot willing to give you food in exchange for your “rare coins” wealth.
They are always “Brilliant uncirculated” when you buy them; and “fair” when you try to dump them.

All of this is due to the CO2 derivatives markets set up by those who lead us and are very rich. They hoped to play this market ruthlessly and, their own words, make it grow even bigger than the energy markets themselves.
All of this is happening at the Hubbert Oil Peak. Yes, this entity still looms over us all. I would suggest that the move forcing us from burning coal is due to trying to protect it as a resource for later.
The rising cost of energy is due to the Hubbert Oil Peak whereby oil is harder to find, harder to refine. This is why so many wars now happen to be where there is a lot of oil reserves in the ground.