Significant Arctic Sea Ice Story a Possibility This Year

Joe Bastardi writes on the Patriot Post:

There is a huge event being forecasted this year by the CFSV2, and I don’t know if anyone else is mentioning this. For the first time in over a decade, the Arctic sea ice anomaly in the summer is forecast to be near or above normal for a time! While it has approached the normals at the end of the winter season a couple of times because of new ice growth, this signals something completely different – that multiyear growth means business – and it shows the theory on the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO) is likely to be on target.

Once it flips, this red herring of climate panic will be gone. Global and Southern Hemisphere anomalies are already unmentionable since the former is well above normal and the latter is routinely busting daily records.

The biggest minimum anomalies are in the summer since this flipped, and the only peaks came very close to the height of winters once this melting was underway.

Now look at what the CFSV2 forecasted for 2012.

The brief positive anomaly hit early, but for the summer it’s well below normal. In 2013, it’s the same, though not as far.

But this year it’s forecast to be around normal in August!

This is only with a yearly AMO back off. I don’t think this is the real deal of the flip yet. But it makes the point that one can correlate the ice in the Arctic with the Atlantic cycle.

It should be obvious as to who is the boss here, and with the warm AMO in its waning years, the Arctic sea ice hysteria will wind up where so many agenda driven items do – on the ash heap of history.

This, if correct, is going to be a huge story. It would be the first summer where Arctic sea ice returned to near normal, indicative of the increase in multiyear ice and what a turn to the colder AMO in the future means! Let’s see if anyone else picks up on it.

Read his full story here: http://patriotpost.us/opinion/25340

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More on CFSv2 here: http://origin.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/people/wwang/cfsv2fcst/

 

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Jim Cripwell
May 6, 2014 3:41 am

I quote
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Dermot O’Logical says:
May 6, 2014 at 12:31 am
Hang on a minute here. We’re making news out of predictions coming out of a model?
I thought we didn’t like it when others do that.
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All predictions are based on some sort of model. There is a difference between making predictions that can be readily tested, so as to check the model, which this is; and predictions which are made and claimed to be true without validating the model, which the warmists do.

jones
May 6, 2014 4:09 am

Jimbo,
You are very cruel with your punctilious attention to history.
Have you no conscience with respect to the sensitivity of our superiors?
They’re just trying to get by in a cut-throat world.
Jones.

son of mulder
May 6, 2014 4:29 am

“Steven Mosher says: May 5, 2014 at 10:15 pm
…..Its always good to check the validation of the model.”
What. like the IPPC does on all the models that have failed to predict a flat 17 yrs 8 months of global average temperature?

May 6, 2014 4:38 am

After adjustment, we find that the government believes ice grows in 40 degree heat. Maybe Obama can build some runways in the arctic.

richard
May 6, 2014 4:42 am

The Russians are building the biggest ice breaker ever for use all year round – not cheap. What ever any scientist says this is a strong indication that Arctic ice is not going away anytime soon.
In fact the Russians probably used the info from their own experts before committing to this project.

richard
May 6, 2014 4:45 am

If the ice was going to disappear in the next ten years why would you build this?
Russia already has a huge fleet of both diesel-powered and even nuclear icebreakers, but it recently penned an order for something the world has never seen before: a massive new 558-foot long, dual-reactor nuclear icebreaker that will be 46 feet longer and at least a dozen feet wider than any other icebreaker in its fleet. Powered by two 60-megawatt compact pressurized water reactors, it will be the world’s largest “universal” nuclear icebreaker.

Kenny
May 6, 2014 4:55 am

I think this is huge! Y’all know that all eyes are going to be on the ice at the North Pole this summer. This has always been their “go to” data. “See everyone…..the sea ice is melting….global warming is real”!
Time will tell…..But after melt season, if it is around “normal”….what will they do?

May 6, 2014 4:57 am

This is only with a yearly AMO back off. I don’t think this is the real deal of the flip yet. But it makes the point that one can correlate the ice in the Arctic with the Atlantic cycle.
If it actually happens! If instead we get a more normal -1 anomaly presumably that would suggest that you can’t make that correlation?

jones
May 6, 2014 4:57 am

Kenny
“.But after melt season, if it is around “normal”….what will they do?”
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They’ll just tell us it’s “consistent” with AGW/CC/CAGW etc…..Then say “Give us your cash”…..

May 6, 2014 5:02 am

richard says:
May 6, 2014 at 4:45 am
If the ice was going to disappear in the next ten years why would you build this?
Russia already has a huge fleet of both diesel-powered and even nuclear icebreakers, but it recently penned an order for something the world has never seen before: a massive new 558-foot long, dual-reactor nuclear icebreaker that will be 46 feet longer and at least a dozen feet wider than any other icebreaker in its fleet. Powered by two 60-megawatt compact pressurized water reactors, it will be the world’s largest “universal” nuclear icebreaker.

Some of their existing fleet are nearing the end of their design life and need to be replaced. Also because of the reduction in sea ice the Northern sea route has been more heavily used by commercial traffic between asia and europe so the need for escort vessels has increased.

Steve from Rockwood
May 6, 2014 5:10 am

If you believe in CAGW there is no such thing as ice extent returning to “normal” ever again. That ice would have to battle against a world on fire such that ice extent reaching its historical “normal” summer levels would in fact be truly unprecedented.

richard
May 6, 2014 6:15 am

Phil. says:
May 6, 2014 at 5:02 am
Also because of the reduction in sea ice the Northern sea route has been more heavily used by commercial traffic between asia and europe so the need for escort vessels has increased.
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The russians have been using it commercially since the 1930s, the fact it is used more now is down to the end of the USSR so trade with the west opened up. Even when the SS MAnhatten did the NW route in 1969 it was quite controversial in international relations as sovereignty of these waters was claimed by Canada and this claim had been disputed by the United States.
They are using ice breakers in the Summer as well.

Pat
May 6, 2014 6:17 am

FWIW… please people… stop blaming Obama for this crap!
Don’t you get it??? Are you all so indoctrinated by stupid talk show hosts that you are blind to the truth!? IT DOEN’T MATTER WHO is president!
Your president is like the rabbit skin at a greyhound race… and you guys stupidly just chase the rabbit time after time.

Reply to  Pat
May 6, 2014 10:43 am

– no other president has pulled this crap – http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/05/06/administration-issues-dire-climate-change-warnings-amid-regulatory-push/
Not Jimmah Cawtaw, or Cigar bill. Or any of the republicans.

richard
May 6, 2014 6:18 am

and
http://www.cnrs-scrn.org/northern_mariner/vol03/tnm_3_2_1-17.pdf
“Over the past eight decades the ice-infested sea route along the Russian Arctic coast has been
steadily developed. Massive resources, including nuclear-powered icebreakers, have now enabled
regular navigation”

richard
May 6, 2014 6:20 am

well done Russians,
“With the current icebreaker fleet, regular through
passages are possible between July and October, and have been made in November. For more
than a decade, the western portion has been kept open year-round as far as the Yenisey River”

Francisco Fernandez
May 6, 2014 6:26 am

“Once it flips, this red herring of climate panic will be gone”…. if only it was this easy

steven
May 6, 2014 6:53 am

Heat transport to the N Atlantic was trending down for the last decade and heat content has been dropping since 2007. I wouldn’t bet money on any individual year since one major storm could change everything but I would bet money that if the heat transport doesn’t pick back up the Arctic will be gaining ice.

Tim OBrien
May 6, 2014 6:57 am

Don’t worry, the White House will be sure to crank on more directives and taxes before the flip toward the coming icy years is obvious to the sheeple…

May 6, 2014 7:06 am

Makes me wonder if part of this prediction is based on ice thickness of Hudson Bay, which never seems to get reported.
Hudson Bay always gets almost completely covered with ice but this year it may be especially thick and resistant to melt, like the ice on the Great Lakes have been.
If there is a very late breakup of Hudson Bay, that could certainly help push the anomaly into positive.
Recall that in 2009, polar bears didn’t leave the ice until the first week of August, with official ‘breakup’ almost mid-July.
In 1992, another very cold year (when seals definitely suffered), breakup on Hudson Bay was July 30. Will be interesting to see what happens this year…
Susan

May 6, 2014 7:13 am

I used to visit the “Sea Ice Page” here every two weeks or so, but it has gradually become an obsession. Besides becoming an addict of pictures from the North Pole Camera at http://psc.apl.washington.edu/northpole/index.html I’ve discovered other sites, including pictures from the Barrow bank camera of the Arctic Sea, and the O-buoy cameras. Lately I have been a regular visitor to the Explorersweb site to check out on the doings of crazy adventurers skiing about the Arctic Sea.
You have to stomach a fair amount of balderdash about Climate Change (as they need funding for their exploits) but their pictures and descriptions tell a truth beyond politics. They have all been amazed by the jumble of ice “unlike what we’ve seen before” piled up north of Canada. Yasu Ogita used up so much food getting through that jumble he didn’t have enough to get the rest of the way to the Pole and had to aborted his adventure, and was relaxing and awaiting an airplane out when Ryan Waters and Eric Larsen came skiing up, said “Hi”, and skied on. Those two are now 19 miles from the Pole, but midst ice that is fractured and crisscrossed by open water. Their last voice dispatch was brave, but I thought I detected exhaustion and discouragement.
The one thing I have learned is that the “icecap” is by no means a fixed and stable thing. When the flow is “zonal” around the Pole it is most stable, but when it is what Dr. Tim Ball calls “meridianal” (with a loopy jet-stream and cross-polar-flows) the ice is being hugely stressed by winds over 50 mph, and even when it is forty-below leads many miles wide can form in the ice. Then these gaps can crunch together like the jaws of a bear-trap and form pressure-ridges twenty feet high (and likely much farther downwards, as 9/10th of an iceberg is under water.) The situation is in constant flux, and any guess at the September minimum is a gamble, for history has examples of times huge amounts of ice have flushed down into the Atlantic quite abruptly.
I’d gamble that Mr. Bastardi is right, because we see so much more thick ice north of Canada and even Alaska. However four storms have moved up over the Pole during the past 30 days, and the ice is tortured, as Ryan and Waters are discovering. They likely could use our prayers, (if one is so inclined,) as they have skied into an area where the ice is disintegrating into broken floes.
My highly disorganized system of jotting observations can be seen at http://sunriseswansong.wordpress.com/2014/04/29/arctic-sea-ice-melt-light-on-the-subject/

May 6, 2014 7:19 am

The really interesting thing about the first curve is the (unremarked) change in the variance of the sea ice curve in the range of the 21st century where it appears to have flattened out and maybe even be bottoming. The range of natural oscillation goes from roughly 1 million km-sq to 3 million km-sq! One can actually understand the concern that this was a “tipping point” — this is precisely the kind of thing that is observed in the vicinity of a critical point for a second order phase transition — critical slowing down, a divergence in the scale of fluctuations, and eventually a critical fluctuation that pushes the entire system from one bistable or multistable attractor to another.
However, the system is also clearly still stabilized by strong negative feedbacks towards a collectively stable “locally mean” behavior as the width of fluctuations isn’t changing much. Once it hits extremes, it rapidly regresses towards that mean. We still do not understand the motion of the mean — it seems unlikely to be CO_2 driven or driven by the global anomaly, as it has lousy correlation with the latter and a meaningless correlation with the former (generally monotonic functions can always be correlated, but if their pattern of variation and fluctuations don’t correspond it is difficult to even argue that there is a direct causal link between the two).
I personally am curious as to whether or not even these SHORT term predictions for things like ENSO, the AMO, and the arctic sea ice cycle are borne out. I do think that the decadal oscillations are a major factor in climate evolution, but since the decadal oscillations themselves are chaotic and at best quasi-periodic and of highly variable strength and duration, one can see their large effect on climate after the fact easily enough, but predicting that large effect beforehand requires being able to predict them and we can’t. It would be an absolute hoot if — after all of the bated-breath hype concerning a strong ENSO this year (without which the warmist argument collapses under its own weight within a couple more years as the solar cycle starts the long road downhill to a probable extended minimum and a possible very low following cycle, which seems likely to have at least SOME cooling effect) turns out to just be wrong, with the ENSO more or less fizzling out and/or being replaced by a strong La Nina. Perhaps it is “unlikely”, but I still think that our ability to predict large scale things until they are basically already happening is almost nonexistent. In this case, they are “already happening” (or starting to happen) but there are still many, many nonlinear factors that we cannot compute involved, so that we’re basically saying “most of the time when something starts out this way, the following happens” without having any really good understanding of why.
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angech
May 6, 2014 7:23 am

cryosphere today 1.50 _ .64 = 0.86 but says 0.787???

May 6, 2014 7:43 am

richard says:
May 6, 2014 at 6:15 am
Phil. says:
May 6, 2014 at 5:02 am
Also because of the reduction in sea ice the Northern sea route has been more heavily used by commercial traffic between asia and europe so the need for escort vessels has increased.
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The russians have been using it commercially since the 1930s, the fact it is used more now is down to the end of the USSR so trade with the west opened up.

And significantly to the reduction in sea ice. For example:
” The climate warming turns navigable those areas that only recently were filled with ice pack five meters thick.
Today the ice has either disappeared from there or became only a meter and a half thick. In such situation transportation companies from Europe and Asia have a profitable alternative to traditional oceanic routes, says Anatoly Kuznetsov, editor-in-chief of the Sea News of Russia publication:
Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_04_29/Russia-s-national-artery-Northern-Sea-Route-2234/
http://voiceofrussia.com/2014_03_01/Russia-prioritizes-Northern-Sea-Route-as-fastest-safest-way-from-Europe-to-Asia-7911/
http://routemag.com/2013/03/02/russia-draws-up-business-plan-to-revive-the-northern-sea-route/

May 6, 2014 7:46 am

2014 would the year for global temperatures to start falling:
Habibullo Abdussamatov, in his “Bicentennial Decrease of the Total Solar Irradiance Leads to Unbalanced Thermal Budget of the Earth and the Little Ice Age” (Dr. Habibullo Abdussamatov, 2012, Applied Physics Research), at http://www.ccsenet.org/journal/index.php/apr/article/view/14754

May 6, 2014 7:55 am

angech says:
May 6, 2014 at 7:23 am
cryosphere today 1.50 _ .64 = 0.86 but says 0.787???

My guess is that 0.787 is yesterday’s value:
1.50-0.7136= 0.787
Today’s antarctic value probably not reported yet (12 hr difference in measuring time)