Sometimes you just have to laugh. One of my blog spawn (a not so anonymous academic at a “respected institution of higher learning”) decided to have a go at our post: Despicable climate ugliness courtesy of Lawrence Torcello – assistant professor of philosophy at Rochester Institute of Technology
Yet in his typical ivory tower enabled myopia, his case gets weakened by yet another (not so) anonymous coward who’s hoping for my perp walk to The Hague:
But the Nazis were only small potatoes – they merely murdered millions. But right now, today, we are witnessing the murder-in-slow-motion of at least a billion people. A crime perpetrated primarily through the use of a concerted propaganda campaign. Can anyone explain to me how it was proper to prosecute Goebbels, yet the Koch brothers and the former head of Exxon Mobil should not be similarly prosecuted?
And yes, I believe Anthony Watts should be frogmarched to The Hague as well. No question, in my mind. In fact, I find the idea of a defense of his actions ethically reprehensible.
That comment was written by “gingerbaker” who just happens to be easy to find, since the link in his comment to his photo website and photo store is public information.
So, Bill Forsyth who I believe is “Ginger Baker”, you are welcome to tell me to my face right here, that exercising my constitutional free speech right to an opinion on climate is worthy of a war crimes style trial.
UPDATE: Speaking of musical connections (“Ginger Baker” is the drummer in Cream) maybe we can piggyback this trial onto the other first amendment trial, the Mann-Steyn Steamroller
For you scooter riding youngsters, who don’t get the joke, see this.
UPDATE2: Since the academic host of “and then theres hatespeech physics” decided that he’d better disappear the comment, once word got out he was being criticized for it, I offer this helpful screencap:
UPDATE3: Brandon Schollenberger looks at the larger universe of stupid surrounding that comment and the website, saying Stupidity is the real offense.
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Speaking of frog-march worthy, “call-of-nature” crimes against nature, did anybody else catch that article which claims that Gina McCarthy, head of the EPA, has been using her headquarters building to inject her untreated feces into the Potomac? I’m not kidding!!!! YUK!!!!
richardscourtney – “a self-opinionated bigot”. I remind you again of leading successful socialists: Lenin, Stalin, Mussolini, Hitler. Call me names. Or dispute facts.
Alan Watt: Numbers may be misleading. My grandpa’s small enterprise was nationalized after a communist takeover. Of course, the first thing nationalized was cash, ready for paying utility bills. Then they sued him for not paying utility bills. He died of a heart attack, and therefore he does not appear in any of your statistics.
elpolacko says:
March 19, 2014 at 9:26 am
Such a mixed message of hate. Off to the “showers” for the likes of us I suppose… from the enlightened and altruistic consensus.
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Don’t anybody drop the soap.
Richard Briscoe says:
March 19, 2014 at 9:22 am
Goebbels was never prosecuted, on account of he was dead by the end of the war.
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Someone that looked like Goebbels was dead by the end of the war. Or at least someone that looked like Goebbels after being burned with gasoline.
Of course what an amazing plan. Kill yourself and burn the bodies with gasoline so no one can recognize you. Much better than killing a double and burning their bodies with gasoline enough to hide that they are doubles. And then escaping. Why didn’t Hitler think of such a cunning plan?
@Mark Bofill – I’m with you. If they come for Anthony they come for me too. And for all the other good folks who regularly post here. And they’ll find I can be one mean son-of-a-bitch to deal with.
These people had better watch their step – we can PROVE that the policies they advocate are killing millions of people already. THEY are responsible for a new Holocaust that is already underway, and they have the brass balls to accuse us skeptics of the mass murder which they are committing and which we are, in the last analysis, striving to stop. [snip – thanks for the support, but let’s not go there – Anthony]
‘gingerbaker’ type ideology of intolerance is from the self-righteous collectivists who will harvest your property, your body and your thoughts to use for socially determined ends at the point of a gun . . . to save the Earth from you.
So-called socially implemented collectivism necessarily must cause the nadir of civilizations like those in the 20th century who did the socially induced collectivist stuff by fatal coercion if necessary . . . most often fatal.
Hey , Curious George (on March 19, 2014 at 4:58 pm @richardscourtney), I loved your socially implemented collectivist atrocity list, but there are a lot more!!!!
John
Curious George says:
March 19, 2014 at 5:03 pm
I agree, an estimate is only that; an exact accounting is impossible. Would your grandfather have died from a heart attack at about the same time anyway? No one can say. There are multiple ways to come up with these estimates and they all have a margin of uncertainty. When you get into numbers as large as 25 million (Stalin), the uncertainty margin covers a lot of people’s grandpas.
My points were: (1) by any reasonable methodology claiming Mao’s attributable deaths number in the billions is way off, and (2) you have to distinguish between malice, gross negligence, simple negligence and accident in assigning criminal culpability. Voices like professor Torcello and GingerBaker urge us to ignore these distinctions and criminalize being wrong, or actually just daring to dispute the output of climate models.
A lot of people in the political sphere — not just Communists — assume they have the one simple formula by which to guide society, which will make everything better. So far as I can tell they have all been proved wrong by actual experience. In this past century the Communists win the prize for causing the most misery, suffering and death. But if we didn’t have Communism to screw us up, it would be something else, as it was before Communism arrived to claim the top spot on the dismal list of bad ideas.
Such is the human condition. There is no cure, but following people who lack any awareness and humility regarding their own limitations and failings only deepens and prolongs the misery. When the totality of human folly weighs me down, I pour a glass of single malt Scotch whisky and listen to some Bach.
Then I drop in on WUWT for interesting and rational discussions.
@Alan Watt: Right you are. My grandpa could have died of a heart attack a week before – or a year after. But he did not. Other than that – admittedly biased – experience, I agree with you.
@richard
>the world population is increasing at a 100,000+ per day, biggest increase in that hot continent Africa.
>The UN predicts by 2100 Africa will have 4x the population of China today.
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The UN predicts no such thing. They predict the global population will peak in 2050 at about 9 billion.
Further, Africa could easily feed 5 billion people using only a 1/5 of the available land. The fastest growing populations, per country, are in the Middle East.
Harry Passfield says:
March 19, 2014 at 10:17 am
“Thomas Lee Elifritz says:
March 19, 2014 at 10:14 am
“Publishing someone’s name and address on the internet is so damn classy.”
Does that mean, Thomas, that you are as shocked about the Greenpeace claim: “We know where you live”?”
Harry, I’m pretty sure Thomas Lee Elifritz has NO PROBLEM with whatever actions are taken by Oceana in defense of Truth (Lies) and Dissemination of Information (Propaganda).
OCICBW, but that would be a stupid bet, if one were offered.
Richard Courtney, we are not going to sugar coat the truth just so you can feel good about being a socialist.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100260720/whenever-you-mention-fascisms-socialist-roots-left-wingers-become-incandescent-why/
I can only imagine how frantically Elifritz would cling to ‘Principles’ and the Constitution, were others painting the Scarlet letter upon HIM.
Get this: My Son, recently returned from Afghanistan posting, is considering a career in Law. While discussing more specific goals, he said, without any hint of sarcasm, “Constitutional Law is really interesting, but there will probably be no need for it in ten years”.
Chilling.
Of some note: They call it “direct action”. It is in all the little red books.
You will get the direct action. The “Earth First” types who pushed reason out of Greenpeace offered it to me in a parking lot once upon a time. 12 or 15 of them, one of me and they had baseball bats.” And do not come back if you know what is good for you, you baby killer.”
Do not underestimate the hate they have of freedom.
Greg quotes a link to an article doing a bit of a Bio on Mr Forsyth
Bill Forsyth. It’s an assertion backed by 37 years of entrepreneurial activities that could only have been tackled by someone with a talent for reinvention. While his current persona is as the owner, manager and resident expert at PhotoGarden with stores on College Street and at Taft Corners, he is also the co-owner of Harrington Brothers, a coffee distribution business, and Climate Care Self Storage.
Because when I think climate, I usually think self storage.
Extreme obsession or extreme opportunism? You be the judge.
snip or no snip – still with you, Anthony
The red way or the highway.
Well, if they want to “frog march” Anthony, I (as a dragon sl….er) must be the equivalent of the SS, or the Gestapo at least.
My Father (P-51 pilot, US 8th Army Air Force, 1944 flying over Germany from England) always said, “when you see the FLAK you know you are over the target”……
I guess a whole bunch of folks are now over the target.
Cheers, Kevin (Anthony, I’ll visit you as often as I can when they let me out of the “cooler”)
The concept of hate speech comes to mind.
Hardly, Richard is not a socialist. Anyway, I bet there are many socialists that are also skeptics.
The Australian Federal senate blocked the carbon tax repeal AGAIN! 33-29 VOTES. Greens and Labor combined together. Now they are talking about a double dissolution. That’s nasty way.
If the government waits until July 1st there will be some new senators. I hope they do this and back date it.
@Harry Passfield
You know, this is a very good approach!
>”What if your ‘cure’ causes more deaths than you think the sceptical cause does?”
It can be reframed as, “What if the all-to-real cure is worse than the speculation that there is a disease requiring it?”
On reading a number of comments on other blogs which are critical of Anthony and WUWT, it strikes me that most of those dullard commenters have [probably] never visitied WUWT or read any of Anthony’s blog posts, or observed how, for the most part, the moderation here is eminently fair.
John Whitman says:
March 19, 2014 at 12:58 pm
And apparently, according to wiki, most of the billions of deaths will not be the direct result of Global…anything, just old age. Boring!!
“Of the roughly 150,000 people who die each day across the globe, about two thirds—100,000 per day—die of age-related causes.[6] In industrialized nations, the proportion is much higher, reaching 90%.[6]”
I am sick of these warmist people. They are now threatening people with their response to skeptics. Popular opinion was once eating fats caused heart disease, now they disagree with the with this theory. I don’t believe this, but it is a fact, obese and overweight people from any cause are likely to have diabetes, Type II. Lose the weight and it gets better. I know as I was diagnosed with Type 11 in 1995 when I was 85 kgs. Now I weigh 66 kgs so it is well controlled.
Wow, this is like rabid dogs backed into a corner. I haven’t seem this much misplaced rage since well, McCarthy. But thank you all for providing your IPs to my archived log files. Good luck!
I hope you enjoyed your visit as much as I enjoyed mine. Carry on.