Sometimes you just have to laugh. One of my blog spawn (a not so anonymous academic at a “respected institution of higher learning”) decided to have a go at our post: Despicable climate ugliness courtesy of Lawrence Torcello – assistant professor of philosophy at Rochester Institute of Technology
Yet in his typical ivory tower enabled myopia, his case gets weakened by yet another (not so) anonymous coward who’s hoping for my perp walk to The Hague:
But the Nazis were only small potatoes – they merely murdered millions. But right now, today, we are witnessing the murder-in-slow-motion of at least a billion people. A crime perpetrated primarily through the use of a concerted propaganda campaign. Can anyone explain to me how it was proper to prosecute Goebbels, yet the Koch brothers and the former head of Exxon Mobil should not be similarly prosecuted?
And yes, I believe Anthony Watts should be frogmarched to The Hague as well. No question, in my mind. In fact, I find the idea of a defense of his actions ethically reprehensible.
That comment was written by “gingerbaker” who just happens to be easy to find, since the link in his comment to his photo website and photo store is public information.
So, Bill Forsyth who I believe is “Ginger Baker”, you are welcome to tell me to my face right here, that exercising my constitutional free speech right to an opinion on climate is worthy of a war crimes style trial.
UPDATE: Speaking of musical connections (“Ginger Baker” is the drummer in Cream) maybe we can piggyback this trial onto the other first amendment trial, the Mann-Steyn Steamroller
For you scooter riding youngsters, who don’t get the joke, see this.
UPDATE2: Since the academic host of “and then theres hatespeech physics” decided that he’d better disappear the comment, once word got out he was being criticized for it, I offer this helpful screencap:
UPDATE3: Brandon Schollenberger looks at the larger universe of stupid surrounding that comment and the website, saying Stupidity is the real offense.
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The irony is that these attacks come from people who would make the SS Ahnenerbe proud.
dbstealey says:
March 19, 2014 at 12:17 pm
“…harmless CO2 is keeping many of those poop people alive,..”
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listening to: Randy Newman– “
PoopShort People”I know it’s almost impossible for lefties to take in that the national socialists in Germany was very green:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Green-Brown-Conservation-Environment/dp/0521612772
Even more hard to comprehend for the very same bunch is that fascism has it sturdiest political roots in the young Mussolini’s hateful communism and syndicalism. Mussolini’s old colleague “from the days” his days as director of the commie-paper Avanti! – Gramsci – said that Mussoloni slowly turned Avanti! into a “forum” for syndicalists: (p. 135)
http://books.google.se/books?id=DTZ_holEfS0C&pg=PA135&lpg=PA135&dq=mussolini+gramsci+avanti&source=bl&ots=4rIpKeF3cp&sig=2baS0inlj_iza57DSGCL26pA_Kg&hl=sv&sa=X&ei=xLQlU9b3C-ak4gT8-4GgCA&ved=0CEUQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=mussolini%20gramsci%20avanti&f=false
Skeptics do not appreciate politeness. The proposal was for The Hague. No hint at all of Auschwitz.
“Megadroughts have historically led to the mass migration of humans away from drought affected lands, resulting in a significant population decline from pre-drought levels. They are suspected of playing a primary role in the collapse of several pre-industrial civilizations, including the Anasazi of the North American Southwest,[2] the Khmer Empire of Cambodia,[3] the Mayan of Mesoamerica,[4] the Tiwanaku of Bolivia,[5] and the Yuan Dynasty of China.[6] As such they constitute one of the greatest threats to human civilization. The African Sahel region in particular has suffered multiple megadroughts throughout history, with the most recent lasting from approximately 1400 AD to 1750 AD.[7] North America experienced at least four megadroughts during the Medieval Warm Period.”
Mega drought did not destroyed Yuan dynasty, it (controversally) destroyed Ming dynasty in 17th century.
AND THAT IS WHEN THE CLIMATE IS COOLING!!
Alan Robertson says:
March 19, 2014 at 12:06 pm
The Blind Faith album cover was decidedly plain and the album sold well because the music inside was very good. Ginger Baker was also a founding member of Cream and was considered one of the premier drummers of that era (or any era, for that matter.)
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The sleeve of my copy, bought when it first came out, could not really be described as “decidedly plain”, although I think the US version was different to the British one, which might explain things. On the other hand, the music is definitely excellent, but then it does have Steve Winwood playing on it, which helps.
Oh, and Ginger Baker also drummed for Hawkwind.
You are not widely traveled I see. There is a lot for you to learn about poverty, dung burning for cooking, soot from coal cooking, deforestation for firewood, $2 per day to live on, leaking shack roofs. This is why people like you are such a problem, you see things only from your own perspective and think there are easy solutions. If you are widely traveled then you are selfish.
I find it weird so many people are looking at a comment for how appropriate/inappropriate it was, but nobody’s looking at the blog post it was posted on. AndThenTheresPhysics (Anders) wrote a post misrepresenting the article in question, downplaying it in a way that makes it more palatable.
I wrote a post about this because it seemed nobody else was commenting on the issue. The basic point is:
If you fix Anders’s misrepresentation of the article, his case falls apart and he looks like a fool.
Long story short the money that has been spent on this farce could have been used to bring food and fresh water and jobs to people who desperately needed it. This misappropriation of funds has probably killed more than any weather condition ever has. The AGW religion has only really managed to discredit science, media and real environmental concerns. It has opened our eyes to just how stupid our representatives have become and serves to reinforce that consensus science is still a very bad practice.
Our kids will take this as a lesson hopefully to not believe everything they are told and to not count on the gov to tell them the truth. I personally cannot believe how widespread this enron scheme has become, However, one thing has become abundantly clear… We know they are lying and we do not believe a word they say no matter how nasty and loud they get, so let them dig the hole deeper for themselves that way there will be no doubt who the real criminals are.
While we’re at it, we should prosecute those people who claim that gastric ulcers are caused by bacterial infections, when all right-thinking people know that they are really caused by excess acid due to stress. Think of all the misery these deniers are causing!
Wait.. What’s that you say? Gastric ulcers really are caused by bacterial infections?
Never mind! I guess we should release them now…
John Whitman says:
March 19, 2014 at 12:09 pm
At present about 55 million people die per year (150K per day). So over the next 86 years, at least 4.7 billion will die.
Long story short the money that has been spent on this farce could have been used to bring food and fresh water and jobs to people who desperately needed it.
If people ‘desperately’ need jobs, food and water, what are you doing wrong? lol.
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Chris B,
Did a rough / quick calc of the number of deaths expected in the period 2014 to 2100 based on using the total global deaths per year typical of the last 30 years.
My estimate (D) comes out very conservatively to least 2 to 3 billion total deaths for the period 2014 to 2100 based on the typical total global deaths per year seen in the last 30 years.
You are correct, “billions will die by 2100……”.
John
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milodonharlani,
My actual calculation came out very close to yours at over 4 billion. I was being very conservative when I said 2 to 3 billion deaths.
Regards.
John
John Whitman says:
March 19, 2014 at 1:03 pm
IMO the majority of people alive today will die within 86 years, so 3.5 billion should be about the minimum to be expected.
Plus many yet unborn.
Mr Green Genes says:
March 19, 2014 at 12:36 pm
Thanks, I did not know that.
I can see old ginger watching 2nd world war movies and documentaries over and over again hoping that one day Nazis will win.
Oh that beautiful dream of a one dictatorship world.
I love this line from Elfritz’s rantings:
“I think he should sue, his reputation has been sullied.”
Let me get this right – his reputation has been “sullied”, by carefully repeating what he actually wrote word for word?
Liberal/Leftist morality: Saying anything you want to, no matter how vile, is absolutely protected and sacrosanct. But REPEATING anything a leftist says that makes them look bad (even to themselves) is something to be harshly punished.
It brings to mind something I keep going back to, a fundamental difference in the basic worldview of leftists which pretty much explains all of their behavior; it’s their basic definition of Good and Evil.
To a Leftist:
Good = “Anything I say or do, or which people that I like say or do, because we all know that we are Good, and therefore everything we do is Good. And we are only judged by our intentions, not our results.”
Evil = “Anything the people who I disagree with about anything say or do, because all the Good People never disagree with me, and therefore those who do disagree are EVIL. And they are judged by their intentions, not their results, but since we already know they are EVIL, we know that our enemies intentions are always EVIL.”
Seriously, that is how Leftists think. There’s nothing more to their worldview than that. I would say that it is childish, but it’s actually a rare child who is as reprehensibly moronic as the average leftists are.
“But the Nazis were only small potatoes – they merely murdered millions.”
Hitler killed his millions and Stalin his tens of millions … and Mao his billions.
“Can anyone explain to me how it was proper to prosecute Goebbels, yet the Koch brothers and the former head of Exxon Mobil should not be similarly prosecuted?”
What I can tell you is Goebbles was never prosecuted. He committed suicide in the Bunker long before any Nurenburg Trials. I mean, if you’re going to trot out tired old Nazi comparisons, at least get some basic facts right. Sheesh!
Brings to mind a dialog from the 60’s:
Bragging rights to those who can name the group and the album.
— High on the Real Thing.
Thomas Lee Elifritz,
The whole problem in the first place is anonymity and lack of personal responsibility. I don’t respect Bill Forsyth’s right to anonymously advocate war crime type trials for people like me. That’s mob mentality. Forsyth bears personal responsibility for his words, as do we all. Which is why I posted as I did above, suggesting that anyone making a list of ‘climate war criminals’ would do well to put me on their list.
There are too many damn cowards in this world.
If you come for Anthony Watts because of his blog, in principle you’ve come for me. I’ll be damned if I’ll be intimidated into anonymity or into taking an ambiguous stance by lice such as Forsyth, on the contrary. Such incidents compel me to make my position clear. If you come for Watts you’ve come for me. I won’t be going quietly.
[SNIP – let’s not go there just yet -mod]
The Elf says [at 12:54 pm]:
If people ‘desperately’ need jobs, food and water, what are you doing wrong? lol.
We are doing infinitely more than you and your ilk. YOU are promoting mass starvation through your misguided “carbon” scare.
You have a lot to learn.
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Mark Bofill,
My reaction is as yours.
I am
SpartacusBofill and Watts.John