Sometimes you just have to laugh. One of my blog spawn (a not so anonymous academic at a “respected institution of higher learning”) decided to have a go at our post: Despicable climate ugliness courtesy of Lawrence Torcello – assistant professor of philosophy at Rochester Institute of Technology
Yet in his typical ivory tower enabled myopia, his case gets weakened by yet another (not so) anonymous coward who’s hoping for my perp walk to The Hague:
But the Nazis were only small potatoes – they merely murdered millions. But right now, today, we are witnessing the murder-in-slow-motion of at least a billion people. A crime perpetrated primarily through the use of a concerted propaganda campaign. Can anyone explain to me how it was proper to prosecute Goebbels, yet the Koch brothers and the former head of Exxon Mobil should not be similarly prosecuted?
And yes, I believe Anthony Watts should be frogmarched to The Hague as well. No question, in my mind. In fact, I find the idea of a defense of his actions ethically reprehensible.
That comment was written by “gingerbaker” who just happens to be easy to find, since the link in his comment to his photo website and photo store is public information.
So, Bill Forsyth who I believe is “Ginger Baker”, you are welcome to tell me to my face right here, that exercising my constitutional free speech right to an opinion on climate is worthy of a war crimes style trial.
UPDATE: Speaking of musical connections (“Ginger Baker” is the drummer in Cream) maybe we can piggyback this trial onto the other first amendment trial, the Mann-Steyn Steamroller
For you scooter riding youngsters, who don’t get the joke, see this.
UPDATE2: Since the academic host of “and then theres hatespeech physics” decided that he’d better disappear the comment, once word got out he was being criticized for it, I offer this helpful screencap:
UPDATE3: Brandon Schollenberger looks at the larger universe of stupid surrounding that comment and the website, saying Stupidity is the real offense.
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How constrained of “gingerbaker” to only want to extract his revenge against the former head of Exxon Mobil, as opposed to the current head or even all future heads.
/snark
umm, you know, actually, ginger is right…
1) the nazis were small potatos compared to other leftist regimes. Stalin killed about twice as many people as Hitler did, Mao four times – count all of che queveras achievements and he makes hitler look like a piker too. All fine heros of the revolution, mind you, but ginger’s best friends do indeed make the nazis (who were also far left, not far right) look like beginners.
2) the billion dead risk is real too – it’s just much more likely to come from the starvation that could be triggered by a world wide temperature decline than it is from warming.
As I’ve suggested in another context,. Gore at al really could be looking at international prosecution at some future time.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/07/130708103521.htm
Deserts ‘greening’ from rising carbon dioxide: Green foliage boosted across the world’s arid regions
Date:
July 8, 2013
Source:
CSIRO Australia
Summary:
Increased levels of carbon dioxide have helped boost green foliage across the world’s arid regions over the past 30 years through a process called carbon dioxide fertilization, according to new research.
I mean surely if this is happening then ginger baker has to be absolutely rabied dog crazy.
I’m with Anthony, you’ve just got to laugh at this. Mr. Forsyth is only helping us out by spewing such ignorant hate. Not only can he not see that he is just another ignorant hypocrite — owning a coffee distribution company that probably does not use unicorn power to distribute their product — but he will go from comparing us to Nazis and claiming we are murdering billions of people to claiming that the world population is growing far too fast and needs to be culled.
“ethically reprehensible.”
lets look at climategate emails and the rest of the co2ers tub thumping through that lens?
the co2ers don’t want facts and data they want submission and to occupy the space with name calling in order to intimidate and instal a curfew on the truth.
I’d like to think that this kind of ridiculous vitriol, though not a new thing from their side in the climate debate, is a sign that they realize they are wrong and those that still push the “end of the world” scenario are purely in it for money and power like Al Gore. But, I know far too many university educated (part of the problem?) who buy this stuff and when you point out evidence to the contrary, instead of looking and thinking about it; they refuse to look at the data and dismiss it as “right wing” propaganda.
Is there any truth in the rumour that our host’s new internet handle will be: “Buddy Rich”?
Not bad.
We have the prez of xon in the clink for being Worse Than Hitler, and we have the rev. in the adjacent cell — for not being in favor of his being in the clink.
Got it.
Gingerbaker’s original comment now appears to have been frogmarched into the netherworld of overbaked former-comments probably best “moderated”.
murder of a billion people?
which unvalidated model did that prediction come from? or is it just a munch scream based on a hallucination?
how about all those who have already died because they cannot afford heating due to climate taxes based on bogus predictions and a jedi mind trick narrative?
I do not understand the fixation these types have with HItler, according to J.R. Rummel, from the University of Hawaii, Hitler was only the third bloodiest dictator, After Stalin and Mao.
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/DBG.TAB1.4.GIF
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM#FIG
Maybe is because Stalin and Mao were communists and, like the green movement, their intentions were to create a better world, so their wrongdoings can be condoned, whereas Hitler belonged to fascist right.
Oh wait, Hitler was a National Socialist… nevermind.
OH MY.
does someone feel that they may be losing the factual argument?
Perhaps they should first be calling for those , like AAAS, who campaigned for food to be converted into fuel for their cars, should be prosecuted for similar “crimes”. There’s far more chance of proving it killed someone.
There seems to be something about the the absolute nature of the “save the planet” BS that appeals to weak and feeble people, like the puny Mr Forsyth : http://www.vermontguides.com/2006/10-oct/photogarden.html
where they think it will make them powerful and influential.
how about all those who have already died because they cannot afford heating
If you cannot afford heating in a world filled with carbon and hydrocarbons then you are probably burning those hydrocarbons instead of making products out of them. Learn some physics.
Bill Forsyth stores carbon the same as everybody else…
You should be thankful there is no prosecution for bad puns about holiday music. I can even quantify your unfunniness … 2/3 PUN = PU.
Ginger Baker reference also leads to the fact that he was also the drummer for the group Blind Faith. They only had one album, which, in fact, went to number one. The distinction of that album is that it was the first, and probably only, album that hit number one without any of the songs on the album ever breaking the Top 100.
The statement in the original post:
“Let’s imagine that at some point in the not too distant future it becomes obvious that climate change is real..”
… is pretty fatuous given the climate change has been a constant event on earth for 4.5 billion years.
But more importantly, the point:
“Let’s also imagine that there is convincing evidence that certain people/groups have actively engaged in misinformation campaigns … and doing so for their own benefit … should be held accountable.”
… could equally apply if and when the AGW theory turns out to be the junk science that an increasing number of PHDs consider it to be.
Would the author of the post, in these circumstances, say yes to the prosecution of the AGW scaremongers from IPCC lead authors (most of whose work and careers being largely funded from the public pursue) all the way down to Greenpeace activists who have tricked governments around the world into spending billions on unnecessary measures like driving millions of people into fuel poverty through outrageous carbon taxes, all the while knowingly covering up all evidence (‘hide the decline’) they encounter which does not fit their theory.
As for ‘Ginger Baker’, well if his knowledge of history is anything to go by, I wouldn’t take any advice from him on any other subject:
“Can anyone explain to me how it was proper to prosecute Goebbels…”
Is it not common knowledge that Goebbels committed suicide in Hitler’s bunker and, therefore, could not have been prosecuted for war crimes?
Anyone who brings a Nazi analogy into an argument is really admitting to have lost that argument.
Is that so.
Add my name to your war criminals list, Mr. Forsyth.
Sheer desperation by the alarmists as their AGW house of cards collapses.
Where do these idiots get their talking points from? Is there some prime mover that sets those fools off?
Thomas Lee Elifritz says:
March 19, 2014 at 10:14 am
Publishing someone’s name and address on the internet is so damn classy.
Thomas Lee Elifritz says:
March 19, 2014 at 10:23 am
Knowing and publishing are two different things. Was Anthony similarly outraged by the free speech claims of Mark Steyn and Rand Simberg? It’s his reputation to lose. He’s just lost it.
“That comment was written by “gingerbaker” who just happens to be easy to find, since the link in his comment to his photo website and photo store is public information.”
Moron!
“Tales Of Brave Ulysses” by Cream
You thought the leaden winter would bring you down forever,
But you rode upon a steamer to the violence of the sun.”
Climate change or what?
richard says:
March 19, 2014 at 10:21 am “maybe Ginger baker meant this, 65% of the world’s population live in countries where overweight and obesity kills … At least 2.8 million adults die each year as a result of being overweight or obese. ….”
This was what the Romans said about the Etruscans, before they invaded and subdued their country and economy, melting their bronze works to make Roman coins. “They are fat, and spend their days eating two meals a day at fine tables together. They are unworthy of their ancestors.”
The Romanian dictator, Nicolae Ceaușescu, said the peasants were too fat before his brutal collectivist take-over of the country.
There is also a sustainable diet in Cuba which keeps the people quite svelte: “5 pounds of rice, 5 pounds of sugar, 1 pound of salt, 10 ounces of beans, 8 ounces of cooking oil, 0.15 ounces of coffee mixed with unknown stuff that isn’t coffee, 6 ounces of very-low-quality fish, and 1 pound of a disgusting product made from unsalable animal parts, per month.” This they purchase with their 50cents a day wages.” ref: Robert Zubrin
Bill McKibben praised this holodomor in Cuba as a “semi-sustainable diet.” Progressive scientists and governments – or world empires – talking about personal weight and diet has in the past been a precursor to violence and impoverishment.
Turn about is fair play, right?
How many millions do you think will perish over the next 100 years due to not being able to afford energy due to this insane prosecution of the only cheap energy we currently have?
While CAGW will hypothetically kill a billion souls, Death by cold because you can’t pay for warmth is not hypothetical, people are dying now!
Anyone for a frogmarch?
See what happens when you upset the not-see cult of doom and gloom? They lose all grip with reality. Not like they had much anyway. 🙂