Sometimes you just have to laugh. One of my blog spawn (a not so anonymous academic at a “respected institution of higher learning”) decided to have a go at our post: Despicable climate ugliness courtesy of Lawrence Torcello – assistant professor of philosophy at Rochester Institute of Technology
Yet in his typical ivory tower enabled myopia, his case gets weakened by yet another (not so) anonymous coward who’s hoping for my perp walk to The Hague:
But the Nazis were only small potatoes – they merely murdered millions. But right now, today, we are witnessing the murder-in-slow-motion of at least a billion people. A crime perpetrated primarily through the use of a concerted propaganda campaign. Can anyone explain to me how it was proper to prosecute Goebbels, yet the Koch brothers and the former head of Exxon Mobil should not be similarly prosecuted?
And yes, I believe Anthony Watts should be frogmarched to The Hague as well. No question, in my mind. In fact, I find the idea of a defense of his actions ethically reprehensible.
That comment was written by “gingerbaker” who just happens to be easy to find, since the link in his comment to his photo website and photo store is public information.
So, Bill Forsyth who I believe is “Ginger Baker”, you are welcome to tell me to my face right here, that exercising my constitutional free speech right to an opinion on climate is worthy of a war crimes style trial.
UPDATE: Speaking of musical connections (“Ginger Baker” is the drummer in Cream) maybe we can piggyback this trial onto the other first amendment trial, the Mann-Steyn Steamroller
For you scooter riding youngsters, who don’t get the joke, see this.
UPDATE2: Since the academic host of “and then theres hatespeech physics” decided that he’d better disappear the comment, once word got out he was being criticized for it, I offer this helpful screencap:
UPDATE3: Brandon Schollenberger looks at the larger universe of stupid surrounding that comment and the website, saying Stupidity is the real offense.
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This is why socialists are dangerous people. The more control they try to take, the harder we must fight back.
Frog march: To carry a person face-down with one person holding each limb. To forcibly relocate a person, especially in a degrading or humiliating manner. (Wiktionary)
We all make fun at such comments as these made by “gingerbaker,” but it’s truly scary. These are the very attitudes that allowed men to physically and “legally” put human beings into gas chambers, then burn those human carcasses in massive furnaces. It has always been grandiose ideals, like these that are now being expressed, that has led to mass machine gun deaths, mass burials, mass graves, genocide. It isn’t funny. It isn’t humorous. It is history before our eyes. And the very ones making these comments call men like Anthony Watts ‘Nazis’? Where is the anti-defamation league now? This is becoming an intolerable work of the worst kind of hate speech. I fear where it will lead.
This isn’t funny any more. To those who would be tyrants who deny freedom of expression to others (like Torcello and “gingerbaker,” an obvious coward who won’t even sign his real name to his odious nonsense), I offer the words of a great American patriot: “Give me liberty or give me death!”
Interesting website. I guess they gave up on their goal of “Trying to keep the discussion civil”. Maybe they should change their header to something a little more honest.
It’s worth noting that the world’s biggest mast killers always claimed to be acting in ‘the interest of the people ‘ never did they say they hate them and that is why they acted as they did.
And it’s one good reason when you see the words ‘for the good of the people ‘ you should pay very good attention to what comes next.
“You are a slow learner, Winston.”
“How can I help it? How can I help but see what is in front of my eyes? Two and two are four.”
“Sometimes, Winston. Sometimes they are five. Sometimes they are three. Sometimes they are all of them at once. You must try harder. It is not easy to become sane.”
― George Orwell, 1984
Is he also guilty of identitidy theft – Ginger Baker was also the name of the drummer in Cream.
This guy is an idiot. But this kind of fascism/stalinism needs to be stopped.
Hey, at least Burlington, VT is warmer today than yesterday, with wind chill all the way up to 25 F.
Is this guy for real? This ventures awfully close to Poe’s Law territory: A sufficiently advanced parody is indistinguishable from genuine moonbattery.
“gingerbaker” has it wrong. It is the AGW CO2 is bad hoaxsters who have committed crimes against humanity by causing the diversion of hundreds of billions of our tax dollars to nonsense projects and research. Add to that the misery they have caused by making energy unaffordable for many of the world’s poor.
Publishing someone’s name and address on the internet is so damn classy.
Ginger Baker, beating the drums of the lunatics since 1970.
A shame that someone taking the name of the iconic Ginger Baker can sour cream with his incredible rant. But I have a couple of things to say to him: “What if you (and your alarmists) are wrong? What if your ‘cure’ causes more deaths than you think the sceptical cause does?”
Oh, and finally: Do you KNOW how to spell arrogant?
Ironically, the slow motion deaths, by virtue of flawed energy policy based upon failed climate models, will be at the hand of the accuser in the end through cheap energy deprivation.
Funny how totalitarianism and self-righteousness go hand in hand with his sort. Additionally, his type are typically cowards, so that makes him a yellow-bellied watermellon. He does not own the cajones to pay a visit here.
And I bet ol’ Bill drives an SUV, and uses electricity, and heats his home, etc…
Thomas Lee Elifritz says:
March 19, 2014 at 10:14 am
Does that mean, Thomas, that you are as shocked about the Greenpeace claim: “We know where you live”?
Ginger Baker is just trying to drum up some self importance.
When we look at all the misery this cold winter has caused the people of the U S, (blocked roads, accidents due to iced roads, extra fuel usage, to name a few) why would anyone want a colder Earth? It still makes no sense to me. Warmer is always better.
maybe Ginger baker meant this,
65% of the world’s population live in countries where overweight and obesity kills … At least 2.8 million adults die each year as a result of being overweight or obese. ….
So, Bill Forsyth who I believe is “Ginger Baker”, you are welcome to tell me to my face right here, that exercising my constitutional free speech right to an opinion on climate is worthy of a war crimes style trial.
Don’t worry. In the next-to-zero chance such a thing ever happened, you could always get off by pleading ignorance. But be sure to archive this site for evidence.
[Reply: Isn’t it interesting that skeptical sites allow contrary comments like yours? Alarmist blogs would immediately delete such comments if they were aimed at their blog owners. ~ mod.]
Willis Eschenbach says:
March 19, 2014 at 9:48 am
What do you call Willis Eschenbach in a suit? The Accused!
Knowing and publishing are two different things. Was Anthony similarly outraged by the free speech claims of Mark Steyn and Rand Simberg? It’s his reputation to lose. He’s just lost it.
[Reply: You get free speech here. At alarmist blogs a skeptic’s comment like yours would never see the light of day. This way, you get to demonstrate hypocrisy. ~ mod.]
If the climate alarmists were right, and we really could dial back CO2 and climate to preindustrial levels, that would actually kill a billion people from starvation.
Ah, Ginger Baker … truly one of the useful idiots. Just wait until your Stalinist prescriptions actually get implemented [they won’t; but let’s imagine] and you’re one of the first to no longer be useful!
Those pathetic people, they jumped onto the CAGW “bandwagon” to get their “fair share” of fame, notoriety, great jobs, free NSA Grant monies, etc., and now they are beginning to realize their “great flim-flam scam” is becoming obvious to the public and thus fear, fright and desperation has set in because they know very well that if they can’t keep those Average Temperatures increasing like they predicted then they will most likely be defamed, demoted, out of money and/or out of a job with no prospects of being hired by anyone.